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| Started by | davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> |
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| First post | 2012-02-03 01:19 -0800 |
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ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-03 01:19 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2012-02-04 22:05 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-07 20:03 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-02-07 20:22 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-07 21:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Graham Pickles <graham@durain.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 10:41 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-08 11:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 14:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-08 14:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:38 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:56 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 22:03 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 21:49 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 06:49 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 10:04 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 11:35 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Bob Seago <rjseago@gmail.com> - 2012-02-09 17:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 14:58 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 09:53 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 10:28 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:10 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:34 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-13 21:52 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-02-14 11:24 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:15 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:38 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 00:53 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 06:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 08:05 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:28 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 13:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 15:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-17 08:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-14 07:14 +0000
Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 20:54 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 23:37 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:10 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 00:47 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 11:04 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 00:00 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-02-17 16:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 17:06 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 19:04 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 14:17 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-02-18 04:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 09:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 10:21 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff workstuff@mail.com - 2012-02-18 14:11 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 16:03 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-02-18 17:28 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 15:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-26 23:35 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:44 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:46 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:54 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 08:18 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 02:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 07:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:34 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:59 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:15 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 09:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 10:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 11:05 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:14 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:07 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 19:33 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:13 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 05:44 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff ff <ff@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-02-29 10:41 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:37 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-29 22:24 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-01 02:12 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:14 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-08 14:34 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 05:04 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-01 08:43 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:44 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-28 18:53 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 13:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 14:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:19 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:39 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:08 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:58 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:06 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:15 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:45 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:19 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:36 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 01:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:18 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:26 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:40 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:20 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:16 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:42 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 13:52 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:26 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 17:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 18:56 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:14 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:49 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-14 01:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:21 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:25 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 12:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 07:00 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 10:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 12:11 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 13:37 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-12 14:59 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:27 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Philip Draper <Philip@borehamh.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:18 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff OT T M Smith <thomas.smith57@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-12 17:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:11 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:38 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 14:02 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 16:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 21:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:07 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:55 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 23:16 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 00:03 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 02:16 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:25 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:06 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Bruce Goatly" <ss4@goatly.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:41 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 06:26 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 01:57 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-20 08:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 09:31 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-20 20:51 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:35 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-19 17:50 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:19 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:21 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:59 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 08:06 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:36 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:04 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:37 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:57 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-09 03:20 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-09 17:36 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 13:37 +0000
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 01:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.6808555215457365799@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3648 |
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:25:24 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: > Then they are mad. Maintenance contracts are a con. Most contracts and insurances are a con, however some people feel better knowing that help is only a phone call away. > accurately the night before. Indeed, the more advanced our weather forecasting, the less accurate it is. > And of course even off peak electricity costs more than gas. Ah, but that is looking at purely the cost of the "fuel". Let's try a different approach. Me, I'm a new commit. I have two options: Option 1 - Electric This will require the purchase of electric heaters. Each, if a dedicated fixed unit, will require its own cable and breaker. If I want more than three, I'll need a new bigger fusebox. I would be inclined to do much of this myself. A fusebox change is fiddly and tedious but not complicated. It would cost a lot in workman's time, so better to sort it myself. The wiring, I'd imagine standard solid core like I fitted in the bedrooms (2.5mm? I forget...) would suffice for a single load as it's rated up to 3.5kW, can't imagine a heater running over that. Ditto for the breaker, we aren't running an electric cooker or a kiln... The wiring can run along that clip-together plastic stuff. In fact the only thing I can see being a problem is drilling into a stone wall, I have neither drill bits nor experience (do you use percussion mode, or is that a really bad idea?). Let's say, quibbles aside, it would be something I could sort over a weekend, and it would be running by the end. Option 2 - Gas Once planning permission for the gas tank arrives, the gas tank will need to be installed, possibly on a concrete base. Then we'll need to dig holes through the driveway, punch a hole in a stone wall below ground level, and dig up the floor. That's just to lay the feed pipe. Then there will be the installation of the boiler, pump, expansion tank, plumbing, radiators... all of which will require professionals and a lot of mucking around inside the house. While gas is a reasonable proposition for a renovation job or new build, I would imagine getting gas into this place would be a cost unlikely to be recouped in my remaining years, compared to the higher unit cost of electricity but the damned-near plug'n'play ability of it. Therefore in this specific situation, landslide victory to electric. I'm not a Moron, this has already been considered. Electric first, wood second (our chimney is huge, the required yearly sweep is expensive; plus chopping wood outside when it is -10C is no fun), everything else a distant third. Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 00:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5262ad5661Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3653 |
In article <almarsoft.6808555215457365799@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > In fact the only thing I can > see being a problem is drilling into a stone wall, I have neither > drill bits nor experience (do you use percussion mode, or is that a > really bad idea?) Sandstone or Granite? -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 11:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5262e5ccc6alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3653 |
In article <almarsoft.6808555215457365799@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: [Snip] > Electric > first, wood second (our chimney is huge, the required yearly sweep is > expensive; plus chopping wood outside when it is -10C is no fun), Where do you live, Rick that daytime temperatures never get above -10C? I keep am eye on temperatures at Scott Base in Antarctica and even there they've hit +3.5C last month. Don't faff about lying on the lounger quaffing Pimms on the summer but head for that woodpile instead. It'll do you good and the wood will be ready when you need it. OK, you'll have to put your head out of the door to actually get the wood but no chopping will be needed. Next, sort out that 'huge' chimney. It would be no wonder if your house was cold with its own wind-tunnel installed and that it needs expensive sweeping every year. Put in a decent wood-stove and preferably a flue liner. You'll use a fraction of the wood so less chopping, get masses more heat and, if you've put in an insulated flue liner, much reduced and much cheaper sweeping costs. OK, there will be costs but they are not large, £2000 should about do it, and they'll soon be repaid. I can start you off with an offer of a much-loved Jotul No. 2 stove like the one pictured here: http://is01.thegumtree.com/image/big/99382205.jpg though mine has the flue at the top. New door runners and baffle plate fitted. No glass-door but that just makes it more efficient as a heating device but the door can be swung below the base of the stove so that it can act as an open fire. Gives a maximum output of around 14kw so plenty of heat. I'd let it go for around £200 to a good home. Why am I not using it? Sadly my current house doesn't have chimneys big enough for it as it needs and 8" minimum flue size - my chimneys can't do better than 6". OK. Advert over but seriously an open fire is just a daft way of heating a modern house. Alan [Snip] -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-18 00:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.7504725724922206048@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3662 |
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:04:16 +0000 (GMT), Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > Where do you live, Rick that daytime temperatures never get above -10C? I'm talking about night in winter. Daytime, I sleep. And there's a load of other stuff to be done at other times, so doing winter work in summer isn't so good when I've got summer work to do, er, in summer. ;-) > hit +3.5C last month. Of course. Antarctica is warmer, it's around Europe where it's colder. Haven't you been following this bizarre turn of events? > Don't faff about lying on the lounger quaffing Pimms on the summer Pimms? Isn't that a chocolate covered biscuit? > but head for that woodpile instead. You'll be lucky. The time I have off when groundswork doesn't need to be done, I take as 404 time. > It'll do you good Let's put it like this, my job is active enough I can eat 3-5 Mars bars a day and not be putting on weight. I don't need to chop wood to keep fit. > Put in a decent wood-stove and preferably a flue liner. Still needs a yearly clean and certificate - that's becoming a standard requirement of insurance, not that many people bother to read the pages of legalese. [it's called "certificate de ramonage", perhaps with some accents thrown in too...] > You'll use a fraction of the wood so less chopping, get masses more > heat and, Err... We have an enclosed wood burner. What, did you think it was an open fire? Hehe, even *we* have progressed beyond the Dark Ages. > OK, there will be costs but they are not large, £2000 should about do it, :-) On my wage, that's a large cost. That's what I'm aiming for as an absolute minimum to go to Japan (and pref closer ?3K). > seriously an open fire is just a daft way of heating a modern house. An open fire is a daft way of heating anything other than a camp out... It is ridiculously wasteful. Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 12:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5262ebf21edave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3653 |
In article <almarsoft.6808555215457365799@news.orange.fr>,
Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> In fact the only thing I can
> see being a problem is drilling into a stone wall, I have neither
> drill bits nor experience (do you use percussion mode, or is that a
> really bad idea?).
These days you use an SDS drill. Goes through even granite like a knife
through butter. But then not all stone is the same - some can be drilled
easily with a normal drill.
--
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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| From | Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 16:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <csam4561046352.Bryn@yo.rk> |
| In reply to | #3663 |
In a mad moment - Dave Plowman (News) mumbled : > In article <almarsoft.6808555215457365799@news.orange.fr>, > Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> In fact the only thing I can >> see being a problem is drilling into a stone wall, I have neither >> drill bits nor experience (do you use percussion mode, or is that a >> really bad idea?). > These days you use an SDS drill. Goes through even granite like a knife > through butter. But then not all stone is the same - some can be drilled > easily with a normal drill. Alternativley drill through the gaps between the stones. -- |) [ |)ryn [vans mail to - BrynEvans@bryork.freeuk.com
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 17:06 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526306eae2Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3673 |
In article <csam4561046352.Bryn@yo.rk>, Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> wrote: > > These days you use an SDS drill. Goes through even granite like a knife > > through butter. But then not all stone is the same - some can be drilled > > easily with a normal drill. > Alternativley drill through the gaps between the stones. There speaks a man who has never studied the construction of many old stone cottages. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 19:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526311ceafdave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3674 |
In article <526306eae2Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <csam4561046352.Bryn@yo.rk>,
> Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> wrote:
> > > These days you use an SDS drill. Goes through even granite like a
> > > knife through butter. But then not all stone is the same - some can
> > > be drilled easily with a normal drill.
> > Alternativley drill through the gaps between the stones.
> There speaks a man who has never studied the construction of many old
> stone cottages.
Also the idea is to get a fixing. ;-)
--
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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| From | Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 14:17 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <d574f76252.barrygray@virginmedia.com> |
| In reply to | #3653 |
In message <almarsoft.6808555215457365799@news.orange.fr>
Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Ah, but that is looking at purely the cost of the "fuel".
> Let's try a different approach. Me, I'm a new commit. I have two
> options:
> Option 1 - Electric
> This will require the purchase of electric heaters. Each, if a
> dedicated fixed unit, will require its own cable and breaker. If I
> want more than three, I'll need a new bigger fusebox.
> I would be inclined to do much of this myself. A fusebox change is
> fiddly and tedious but not complicated. It would cost a lot in
> workman's time, so better to sort it myself. The wiring, I'd imagine
> standard solid core like I fitted in the bedrooms (2.5mm? I
> forget...) would suffice for a single load as it's rated up to 3.5kW,
> can't imagine a heater running over that. Ditto for the breaker, we
> aren't running an electric cooker or a kiln... The wiring can run
> along that clip-together plastic stuff. In fact the only thing I can
> see being a problem is drilling into a stone wall, I have neither
> drill bits nor experience (do you use percussion mode, or is that a
> really bad idea?). Let's say, quibbles aside, it would be something I
> could sort over a weekend, and it would be running by the end.
Agreed. We did have both gas and electricity to the house when we
moved in but no heating of any sort, unless you count a non-working
gas single-point water heater over what passed for the sink. We had
ordered the new meter before we took possession of the house so it was
fitted the day we moved in; the storage and immersion heaters were up
and running the day after. As you say, any reasonably competent
handyman could have done everything (no stone walls here), although as
the house was derelict but we still had to live in it there was so
much else to do that we had an electrician in.
> While gas is a reasonable proposition for a renovation job or new
> build, I would imagine getting gas into this place would be a cost
> unlikely to be recouped in my remaining years, compared to the higher
> unit cost of electricity but the damned-near plug'n'play ability of
> it. Therefore in this specific situation, landslide victory to
> electric. I'm not a Moron, this has already been considered. Electric
> first, wood second (our chimney is huge, the required yearly sweep is
> expensive; plus chopping wood outside when it is -10C is no fun),
> everything else a distant third.
If you include repairs and maintenance electric storage heating is
already cheaper: if you look at the way in which gas and electricity
prices are changing, in the future it will be /much/ cheaper; if you
look at the increasing vulnerability of our gas supplies to
international events it will be much more reliable; whether we go down
the wind or nuclear path to reduce our carbon emissions it is the most
environmentally friendly form of heating.
Whatever people may say, there is no danger of the world running out
of gas (or petrol etc): as long as governments and individuals are
prepared to pay market prices and ignore the environmental
consequences the energy companies will continue to supply it: one
Shell spokesman came very close to saying that he welcomed global
warming because it made exploitation of the Arctic gas fields easier.
Synthetic natural gas, and also petrol and everything else currently
obtained from petroleum, can be made from coal. The technique was used
by Nazi Germany to reduce its dependence on imported petroleum, and
then by South Africa to overcome the international sanctions in the
days of apartheid. World reserves of coal are adequate for world
energy needs for at least a thousand years, and it will not be long
before the mining companies are /openly/ discussing the development of
the coal fields under Antarctica.
Barry
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http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
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| From | Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-02-18 04:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <d3F*4K8Zt@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #3668 |
Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > If you include repairs and maintenance electric storage heating is > already cheaper: if you look at the way in which gas and electricity > prices are changing, in the future it will be /much/ cheaper; if you > look at the increasing vulnerability of our gas supplies to > international events it will be much more reliable; whether we go down > the wind or nuclear path to reduce our carbon emissions it is the most > environmentally friendly form of heating. One alternative to electric heating is heat pumps, either ground source or air source. Efficiency is of the order of 3-4x that of electric heating - ie for 1kWh of electricity in you get 3-4kWh of heat out, which makes the price roughly comparable with gas. Obviously there's an installation and maintenance cost, but the technology is similar to a domestic fridge and those can work for decades without servicing (though heat pumps are in a more hostile environment, perhaps more comparable with air conditioning). Your guess is as good as mine as to future energy security, but I think we'll start to see tariffs which heavily incentivise off-peak usage combined with smart metering (eg it'll become the norm to run the dishwasher and washing machine in the early hours [perhaps delaying spin until the morning]). I think the peak/offpeak pricing differential will come down, and there will be more pricing bands (so electricity usage 6pm-10pm will be the most heavily priced). The other potential large offpeak demand which is yet to be realised is electric cars, which on a national scale could take up huge amounts of energy. The net result would be a smoother demand graph, and so the amount of 'spare' mid-night electricity would be lower. So... watch this space. In a decade or two the tariff niche of electric storage heating may survive or it may not... remains to be seen. Theo
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-18 09:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <52635f1c2cSpambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3681 |
In article <d3F*4K8Zt@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > The other potential large offpeak demand which is yet to be realised is > electric cars, which on a national scale could take up huge amounts of > energy. And the government will want to tax it somehow. They will probably decide that people will be charging their cars between 6pm and 6am and slap a whacking tax on electricity used during these hours. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-02-18 10:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526365bb00dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3682 |
In article <52635f1c2cSpambin@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <d3F*4K8Zt@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
> Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > The other potential large offpeak demand which is yet to be realised
> > is electric cars, which on a national scale could take up huge amounts
> > of energy.
> And the government will want to tax it somehow.
> They will probably decide that people will be charging their cars
> between 6pm and 6am and slap a whacking tax on electricity used during
> these hours.
More likely by road pricing. Modern technology would make this quite easy.
--
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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| From | workstuff@mail.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-02-18 14:11 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <da41756352.news@mistymornings.net> |
| In reply to | #3681 |
In message <d3F*4K8Zt@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > If you include repairs and maintenance electric storage heating is
> > already cheaper: if you look at the way in which gas and electricity
> > prices are changing, in the future it will be /much/ cheaper; if you
> > look at the increasing vulnerability of our gas supplies to
> > international events it will be much more reliable; whether we go down
> > the wind or nuclear path to reduce our carbon emissions it is the most
> > environmentally friendly form of heating.
The environmental impact of electricity generation varies dramatically.
Is a coal fired power station more environmentally friendly than having
a gas central heating system?
Neither is there such a thing as impact free electricity generation.
Even small hydro-electric systems can irrevocably change the nature of
rivers, cost a lot of CO2 to create and produce lots of dust during the
construction phase. Some of the side effects of wind power have been
mentioned and UK wind farms are reckoned to run at around 25%
efficiency.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/07/wind_power_actually_25_per_cent/
>
> One alternative to electric heating is heat pumps, either ground source or
> air source. Efficiency is of the order of 3-4x that of electric heating -
> ie for 1kWh of electricity in you get 3-4kWh of heat out, which makes the
> price roughly comparable with gas.
In the case of air to air/air to fluid the efficiency drops until you
get down to about -20'c when efficiency is about 1:1. Newer models are
better in that respect but there are limits with all air based heat pump
systems. The other disadvantage is that you need electricity for them to
work.
A wood burning stove works fine even in power cuts and can be used to
provide hot water for domestic use and central heating systems.
> Obviously there's an installation and maintenance cost, but the
> technology is similar to a domestic fridge and those can work for
> decades without servicing (though heat pumps are in a more hostile
> environment, perhaps more comparable with air conditioning).
>
We would consider a heat pump if we were to buy a house here. However,
priorities would go to an AGA like wood burning stove.
I also like the idea of buying some forest and building a CHP unit based
on a recycled car engine running on wood gas.
Regards
Stan
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-02-18 16:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526385107eSpambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3681 |
In article <d3F*4K8Zt@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > One alternative to electric heating is heat pumps, either ground source > or air source. Efficiency is of the order of 3-4x that of electric > heating - ie for 1kWh of electricity in you get 3-4kWh of heat out, > which makes the price roughly comparable with gas. Obviously there's an > installation and maintenance cost, but the technology is similar to a > domestic fridge and those can work for decades without servicing (though > heat pumps are in a more hostile environment, perhaps more comparable > with air conditioning). I think you can only really get your fuel costs down if you are in a position to have a house built from scratch. A decent plot of land so that the trenches for the ground source heat pump pipe-work can all be dug out as the house footings are dug out and the pipe-work installed from the outset. The house can be built with better insulation with a south facing roof for a PV array to be fitted and triple glazed. I know of a builder who had done this for himself (I think he has something like 6" of insulation in the walls) though I don't think he has yet had PVs fitted. I made a huge mistake a few years ago. A while after moving in we had secondary glazing fitted and some years later decided to go for "proper" double glazing. The original windows were galvanised steel frames with a hinge pin (a nut and bolt) on the outside - very insecure and a problem to keep looking nice because paint doesn't seem to like to stick to galvanising very well. The wood framing and sills were beginning to show signs of rot. When the salesman came regarding the replacements he asked if we wanted to keep the secondary and we thought "no don't need that anymore", they were large lift out aluminium framed panels of glass and not that easy to clean on the window side. I am afraid I have come to the conclusion that the original windows + secondary were more effective than the double-glazed replacements and I wish we still had the secondary as well. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-02-18 17:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <52638ccbdanews@ned.uk.invalid> |
| In reply to | #3685 |
Could you all please take this discussion somewhere more appropriate? -- besters Ned
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| From | Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-19 15:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <bce6036452.barrygray@virginmedia.com> |
| In reply to | #3681 |
In message <d3F*4K8Zt@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> One alternative to electric heating is heat pumps, either ground source or
> air source.
Agreed. The Royal Festival Hall was heated in this way in 1951. The
problem is that the equipment is expensive, so the pay-back time for
an ordinary dwelling is probably at least ten years, and there have
been a number of cases where compensation has been paid to
householders on the grounds that it has been mis-sold. There has been
a move towards requiring it in almost all new-build housing but the
present economic climate and the emphasis on "social" and "affordable"
housing seems to have scuppered this.
> Your guess is as good as mine as to future energy security, but I think
> we'll start to see tariffs which heavily incentivise off-peak usage combined
> with smart metering (eg it'll become the norm to run the dishwasher and
> washing machine in the early hours [perhaps delaying spin until the
> morning]). I think the peak/offpeak pricing differential will come down,
> and there will be more pricing bands (so electricity usage 6pm-10pm will be
> the most heavily priced).
Agreed, again. Our current energy supplier already has a tariff with
four separate pricing bands. The problem is this present Government
wants tariffs to get simpler not more complicated...
--
Barry Gray
http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled
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| From | Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-26 23:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5267cd161ftim@invalid.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #3716 |
In article <bce6036452.barrygray@virginmedia.com>, Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Agreed, again. Our current energy supplier already has a tariff with > four separate pricing bands. The problem is this present Government > wants tariffs to get simpler not more complicated... One fair price band is possible: www.cooperativeenergy.coop -- Tim Hill of timil.com . . . * supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone * has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/ * accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@ ... "God shall be my hope, my stay, my guide, and lantern to my feet" Henry VI, Act ii, Sc.3
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| From | Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-27 23:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com> |
| In reply to | #3761 |
In message <5267cd161ftim@invalid.org.uk>
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <bce6036452.barrygray@virginmedia.com>, Barry Gray
> <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Agreed, again. Our current energy supplier already has a tariff with
>> four separate pricing bands. The problem is this present Government
>> wants tariffs to get simpler not more complicated...
> One fair price band is possible:
> www.cooperativeenergy.coop
Thanks for this. I agree it is possible, but I am not certain whether
it is a sensible way of charging for electricity in the future. This
tariff would not of course suit us because, on their Economy Seven
Plan, we would pay a lot more for both our day and night electricity.
What is interesting is that the Co Op now say that they want to use
more energy not only from renewable sources but also from nuclear:
they concede that nuclear is just as carbon-free but much more
reliable...
Ant this is the crux of the matter. The Government is putting almost
all of its renewable energy eggs into wind farms rather than wave or
tidal current schemes (where Britain still has a world lead). But the
times at which wind farms are producing most electricity are not
necessarily the times at which we need most electricity: as a result
of this flawed policy millions of pounds are being paid to the wind
farms for them /not/ to produce energy at times of low demand, while
during the cold winter of December 2010 there were several days in
which no wind farm, anywhere in Britain, produced any electricity at
all. At the other end of the carbon-free scale, there is no advantage
of any sort in operating a nuclear power station at less than full
capacity. Any realistic energy policy must recognise that the more
carbon-free we go the more important it becomes to look at not only
how much electricity we are using but also when we are using it.
The sensible way to use surplus energy, whether from nuclear power
stations or wind farms, would be to drive water desalination plants,
as the Russians are doing - unlike electricity water can be stored.
But that is a different matter.
Barry
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-02-27 23:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526851b871alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3772 |
In article <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com>, Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > The sensible way to use surplus energy, whether from nuclear power > stations or wind farms, would be to drive water desalination plants, > as the Russians are doing - unlike electricity water can be stored. > But that is a different matter. Indeed, water is not yet at such low level of availability to do such an energy inefficient thing! Surely a much better idea would be to look to methods of storing surplus energy? From pumped hydro to compressed air with maybe molten salts getting a look in? As for the 'no turbine turning anywhere in the UK' thing. Besides being an extremely rare occurrence, nobody is suggesting that wind power should be the only source for electricity in the UK. It's a red-herring! International links, tidal, wind, wave-power, PV at some point hopefully and, yes, even some nuclear are all part of the mix we need to look at. Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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| From | charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-02-27 23:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <526851f7b2charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3774 |
In article <526851b871alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > In article <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com>, Barry Gray > <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > The sensible way to use surplus energy, whether from nuclear power > > stations or wind farms, would be to drive water desalination plants, > > as the Russians are doing - unlike electricity water can be stored. > > But that is a different matter. > Indeed, water is not yet at such low level of availability to do such an > energy inefficient thing! > Surely a much better idea would be to look to methods of storing surplus > energy? From pumped hydro to compressed air with maybe molten salts > getting a look in? > As for the 'no turbine turning anywhere in the UK' thing. Besides being > an extremely rare occurrence, It's happened in Denmark - in December! -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16
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