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ARM embedded stuff

Started bydavehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com>
First post2012-02-03 01:19 -0800
Last post2012-02-20 13:37 +0000
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  ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-03 01:19 -0800
    Re: ARM embedded stuff Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2012-02-04 22:05 -0800
    Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-07 20:03 +0000
      Re: ARM embedded stuff Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-02-07 20:22 +0000
        Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-07 21:01 +0000
        Re: ARM embedded stuff Graham Pickles <graham@durain.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 10:41 +0000
          Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-08 11:01 +0000
            Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 14:01 +0000
              Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-08 14:43 +0000
              Re: ARM embedded stuff Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:38 +0000
                Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:56 +0000
                  Re: ARM embedded stuff "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 22:03 +0100
                  Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 21:49 +0000
                    Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 06:49 +0000
                      Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 10:04 +0000
                        Re: ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 11:35 +0000
                  Re: ARM embedded stuff Bob Seago <rjseago@gmail.com> - 2012-02-09 17:45 +0000
                  Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 14:58 -0800
                    Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 09:53 +0000
                      Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 10:28 +0000
                        Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:10 -0800
                          Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:34 +0100
                            Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-13 21:52 +0000
                              Re: ARM embedded stuff JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-02-14 11:24 +0000
                            Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:15 -0800
                              Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:38 +0100
                                Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 00:53 +0000
                                  Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 06:45 +0000
                                    Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 08:05 +0000
                                    Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:28 +0000
                                    Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 13:47 +0000
                                      Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 15:48 +0000
                                  Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-17 08:54 +0000
                                Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:48 +0000
                                  Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:48 +0000
                          Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-14 07:14 +0000
                      Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 20:54 +0000
                        Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 23:37 +0000
                          Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:02 +0000
                            Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:25 +0000
                              Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:10 +0100
                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 00:47 +0000
                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 11:04 +0000
                                  Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 00:00 +0100
                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:11 +0000
                                  Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-02-17 16:38 +0000
                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 17:06 +0000
                                      Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 19:04 +0000
                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 14:17 +0000
                                  Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-02-18 04:11 +0000
                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 09:09 +0000
                                      Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 10:21 +0000
                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff workstuff@mail.com - 2012-02-18 14:11 +0100
                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 16:03 +0000
                                      Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-02-18 17:28 +0000
                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 15:09 +0000
                                      Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-26 23:35 +0000
                                        Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:07 +0000
                                          Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:44 +0000
                                            Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:46 +0000
                                              Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:54 +0000
                                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 08:18 +0000
                                            Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 02:11 +0000
                                              Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 07:25 +0000
                                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:34 +0000
                                              Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:59 +0000
                                            Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:15 +0000
                                              Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 09:38 +0000
                                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 10:38 +0000
                                                  Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 11:05 +0000
                                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:14 +0000
                                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:07 +0000
                                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 19:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:13 +0000
                                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 05:44 +0100
                                                  Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff ff <ff@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-02-29 10:41 +0000
                                                  Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:37 +0000
                                                  Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-29 22:24 +0000
                                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-01 02:12 +0000
                                                      Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:14 +0100
                                                        Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-08 14:34 +0000
                                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
                                                      Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 05:04 +0100
                                                        Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-01 08:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
                                              Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:44 +0000
                                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-28 18:53 +0000
                                            Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:09 +0000
                                          Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 13:11 +0000
                                            Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 14:02 +0000
                                              Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:19 +0000
                                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:08 +0000
                                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:02 +0000
                                                  Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:58 +0000
                                            Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:06 +0000
                                            Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:15 +0000
                                              Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:45 +0000
                                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:19 +0000
                                                  Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:36 +0000
                                                    Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 01:25 +0000
                                                      Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:18 +0000
                                                Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:26 +0000
                                                  Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:40 +0000
                                            Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:20 +0000
                    Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:16 +0000
                      Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:42 +0000
                      Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 13:52 +0000
                        Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:43 +0000
                          Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:26 +0000
                            Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 17:43 +0000
                              Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 18:56 +0000
                      Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:14 -0800
                        Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:49 +0100
                          Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-14 01:01 +0000
                          Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:21 -0800
                            Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:25 +0100
              Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 12:54 +0000
                Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 07:00 +0000
                  Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 10:43 +0000
                    Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 12:11 +0000
                      Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 13:37 +0000
                        Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-12 14:59 +0000
                          Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:27 +0000
                            Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:54 +0000
                          Re: ARM embedded stuff Philip Draper <Philip@borehamh.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:18 +0000
                          Re: ARM embedded stuff OT T M Smith <thomas.smith57@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-12 17:45 +0000
                        Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:11 +0000
                          Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:47 +0000
                        Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:01 +0000
                        Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:38 +0000
                          Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 14:02 +0000
                            Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 16:47 +0000
                              Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 21:43 +0000
                                Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:07 +0000
                                  Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:55 +0000
                                    Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 23:16 +0000
                                    Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 00:03 +0000
                                      Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 02:16 +0100
                                      Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:25 +0000
                                        Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:06 +0000
                                      Re: ARM embedded stuff "Bruce Goatly" <ss4@goatly.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:41 +0000
                                    Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 06:26 +0000
                                Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 01:57 +0100
                                  Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-20 08:45 +0000
                                  Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 09:31 +0000
                                Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-20 20:51 +0000
                            Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:35 +0100
                              Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-19 17:50 +0000
                                Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:19 +0100
                                  Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:21 +0100
                                Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:01 +0000
                              Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:59 +0000
                              Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 08:06 +0000
                                Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:36 +0000
                                  Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:04 +0000
                      Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:37 +0000
                        Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:57 +0000
    Re: ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-09 03:20 -0800
      Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-09 17:36 +0000
    Re: ARM embedded stuff Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 13:37 +0000

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#3611

Fromjgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk>
Date2012-02-13 12:10 -0800
Message-ID<97670487-2766-4e2d-8141-9cee88063c96@hs8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#3600
David Holden wrote:
> jgharston wrote:
> > Why on earth are people using electricity to heat homes? Madness!
>
> > Because they don't have or cannot have gas available?

Bottle gas, heating oil. Electricity should be the absolute last
choice for space heating.

> Also many landlords were ripping out gas heaters and cookers in the '90s
> and replacing them with electric

If they weren't replacing them with gas-fired central heating, they
were
morons. "Hi, would you like to rent this flat that will cost you
hundreds
of pounds to keep warm, or the one down the road with central
heating?"

I'm a landlord. I ripped out all the gas fires and electric room
heaters
in my properties and replaced them with gas fired central heating.

> because the annual inspections required for all
> gas appliances in rented accommodation could be very expensive.

60 quid per year, tax deducatable? They *are* morons.

And installing central heating is a capital improvement, which is also
tax deductable if you ever chose to throw away your income and sell
up.

JGH

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#3613

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-02-13 22:34 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.154136750051215737@news.orange.fr>
In reply to#3611
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:10:35 -0800 (PST), jgharston 
<jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Bottle gas, heating oil. Electricity should be the absolute last
> choice for space heating.

So speaks somebody who doesn't live in an ancient stone house. 

Heating oil is *not* cheap, nor the required boiler maintenance. Gas 
in bottles (I presume a Calor style heater!) not only poses a risk of 
intoxication if ventilation is poor (and remember, old houses are 
drafty so a lot of time will be taken to seal up that sort of thing) 
plus they draw water like you wouldn't believe. Want to see it 
raining on the inside of a double-glazed window? Fire up a portable 
gas heater.

The best form of heating around here is burning wood. By preference 
an Aga like unit (cooks, hot water, etc) but next best is an enclosed 
heater. These too need to be regularly maintained.

Electric might seem like madness to you, but it is quick and portable 
and can be stuck pretty much anywhere without problem and few side 
effects. If it is an economic hurdle, you might find it worthwhile 
lobbying councillors and DailyMail readers not to crap themselves 
every time somebody uses the word "nuclear". Tchernobyl blew up 
because of some lunatic actions, and poor Fukushima failed because of 
a damned strong earthquake followed by a tsunami. British reactors 
will be safer because I'd hope you'd get staff that aren't morons, 
and if the UK suffers a 9.0, trust me, the reactor down the road will 
be the least of your worries given there's not a building code in the 
land that caters for such things...


Best wishes,

Rick.

-- 

Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3615

FromRussell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date2012-02-13 21:52 +0000
Message-ID<526111d2c4see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to#3613
In article <almarsoft.154136750051215737@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> So speaks somebody who doesn't live in an ancient stone
> house.

As do I...

> Heating oil is *not* cheap, nor the required boiler
> maintenance. Gas in bottles (I presume a Calor style
> heater!)

Not sure about France, but I imagine that there, as in the
UK, it is not that unusual to have a 1200 litre propane tank
in the garden, feeding a (slightly modified) standard
central heating boiler.

I have seen a surprising amount of electrical space heating
in France, presumably the large proportion of nuclear
generation there renders the economics different.

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#3623

FromJTM <usenetbin@free.fr>
Date2012-02-14 11:24 +0000
Message-ID<52615c2d46usenetbin@free.fr>
In reply to#3615
In article <526111d2c4see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
wrote:
> In article <almarsoft.154136750051215737@news.orange.fr>,
>    Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > So speaks somebody who doesn't live in an ancient stone
> > house.

> As do I...

> > Heating oil is *not* cheap, nor the required boiler
> > maintenance. Gas in bottles (I presume a Calor style
> > heater!)

> Not sure about France, but I imagine that there, as in
> the UK, it is not that unusual to have a 1200 litre
> propane tank in the garden, feeding a (slightly modified)
> standard central heating boiler.
Yep, big tank of gas in the garden for the water and some
underfloor heating in part of the house.

But (as Rick suggested) the best heat comes from the wood
burners, and now that I've nearly finished insulating the
old solid stone walls, they don't cost as much as they once
did. Plus, cutting, chopping and stacking the odd stere of
logs generates a lot of (body) heat. (you could say ARM
embedded stuff)

> I have seen a surprising amount of electrical space
> heating in France, presumably the large proportion of
> nuclear generation there renders the economics different.
Lots of push towards heat exchangers these days, from ground
and air source, but using 'lecky to do the driving.

John
-- 
 John Mulrooney
NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

A soul that knows not to presume, is Heaven's, and its own, perfume

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#3651

Fromjgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk>
Date2012-02-16 09:15 -0800
Message-ID<ee5c3359-e384-40a8-b573-a5a864e66c8f@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#3613
Rick Murray wrote:
> jgh wrote:
> > Bottle gas, heating oil. Electricity should be the absolute last
> > choice for space heating.
> So speaks somebody who doesn't live in an ancient stone house.

I live in a semi-ancient stone house, and lived for a year in the
highlands of Scotland in a house with oil-fired central heating.

> Heating oil is *not* cheap, nor the required boiler maintenance.

Certainly cheaper than electric heating.

> Gas in bottles (I presume a Calor style heater!)

No, not portable heaters, they are the spawn of the devil.
Bottle-gas-fired central heating. Exactly the same as your
bog-standard mains gas central heating boiler, but fed by
and calibrated for bottled gas.

> a damned strong earthquake followed by a tsunami.
...
> and if the UK suffers a 9.0, trust me, the reactor down the road will
> be the least of your worries

Yes. Nuclear = run around like headless chickens crying "we're all
going to die!"

The amazing think about Fukushima is that the emergency systems
*worked*.
It took a 9.0 earthquake *and* a tsunami to knock out five layers
of backup systems.

JGH

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#3655

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-02-17 01:38 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.4619828536433629894@news.orange.fr>
In reply to#3651
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:15:38 -0800 (PST), jgharston 
<jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>> Heating oil is *not* cheap, nor the required boiler maintenance.
> Certainly cheaper than electric heating.

We'll have to agree to differ on that.


> Yes. Nuclear = run around like headless chickens crying "we're all
> going to die!"

I think there's an innate fear of things that can't be seen. I 
thought it was funny when the French press reported detecting 
Japanese radiation in Europe (what, did it say "fzzzzzt!" in kanji or 
something?). How about fluctuations in sunspots, solar storms, 
nuclear weapons testing, etc etc? Really, that the fzzzzzt! meter 
went up a billionth of a percentage point isn't something I'm going 
to lose sleep over.
Actually, bring your hyper sensitive radiation meter and point it at 
my telly. Or at my crotch after I've had my laptop warming it for a 
few hours. Or just at me. And the walls. And the eco light bulb. Then 
tell me why radiation wafting halfway across the world is anything I 
should be concerned about.
It isn't.
It's just a brilliant headline for the panic crowd who think 
radiation is some terrible invisible killer. If you think I'm being 
over-dramatic, there's a guy at work who leaves the microwave door 
open so (and I quote) "the radiation inside can dissipate". What can 
you say, except give the guy a tin-foil hat!


> The amazing think about Fukushima is that the emergency systems
> *worked*.
> It took a 9.0 earthquake *and* a tsunami to knock out five layers
> of backup systems.

Indeed, considering further up the coast ENTIRE TOWNS were wiped from 
existence, the problem at Fukushima is nasty, but surprisingly minor 
given what happened. Did you see the "around the site" photos on El 
Reg last month? My God, it's just a pile of twisted metal...


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3657

FromBrian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
Date2012-02-17 00:53 +0000
Message-ID<5262ade57dbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
In reply to#3655
In article <almarsoft.4619828536433629894@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> Actually, bring your hyper sensitive radiation meter and point it at 
> my telly. Or at my crotch after I've had my laptop warming it for a 
> few hours. Or just at me. And the walls. And the eco light bulb. Then 
> tell me why radiation wafting halfway across the world is anything I 
> should be concerned about.
> It isn't.

I was brought up on and around Dartmoor - tell that to someone and see
them blanch.

> It's just a brilliant headline for the panic crowd who think 
> radiation is some terrible invisible killer. If you think I'm being 
> over-dramatic, there's a guy at work who leaves the microwave door 
> open so (and I quote) "the radiation inside can dissipate". What can 
> you say, except give the guy a tin-foil hat!

He exposes the whole household to fallout? Tell him to keep the door shut!

Brian

-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. UK.
______________________________________________________________________

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#3658

FromBrian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk>
Date2012-02-17 06:45 +0000
Message-ID<5262ce10abbbailey@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to#3657

> [Snip]

> > Actually, bring your hyper sensitive radiation meter and point it at
> > my telly. Or at my crotch after I've had my laptop warming it for a
> > few hours. Or just at me. And the walls. And the eco light bulb. Then
> > tell me why radiation wafting halfway across the world is anything I
> > should be concerned about. It isn't.

> I was brought up on and around Dartmoor - tell that to someone and see
> them blanch.

Weren't Welsh and Scottish sheep contaminated after Chernobyl and the meat
was kept out of the food chain?

Oddly enough, at the time, I worked in the department that analysed the
implications of Chernobyl for the UK nuclear industry. 'Nough said! 

Just one thought. Nuclear power demands a certain level of quality
assurance in design, construction and operation that ..... well, you
complete the sentence any way you wish.

> > It's just a brilliant headline for the panic crowd who think
> > radiation is some terrible invisible killer. If you think I'm being
> > over-dramatic, there's a guy at work who leaves the microwave door
> > open so (and I quote) "the radiation inside can dissipate". What can
> > you say, except give the guy a tin-foil hat!

> He exposes the whole household to fallout? Tell him to keep the door
> shut!

I recall a TV interview with an American school headteacher who's school
was built on a site heavily contaminated with nuclear waste. He said that
he always left the school windows open.

I think that there is one serious omission in this discussion - security
of supply. The grid distribution system isn't maintained as meticulously
as it used to be, eg a local storm took out distribution lines and a live
cable was left on the ground, in a large puddle, for some time and a dog
got fried. My house is heated by a gas boiler but, of course, without any
electrical power supply would no longer operate. My very ill wife couldn't
keep warm, the one thing that, at the time, she must/should have done. No
use complaining, the local sub-station was out too. I remember that I
couldn't understand the repair gang who had heavy Glaswegian accents
(great guys) with SSEB on their Land Rover. I live in the SW. 

Think on, as they say.

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#3659

Fromcharles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>
Date2012-02-17 08:05 +0000
Message-ID<5262d56b81charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>
In reply to#3658
In article <5262ce10abbbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:


> > [Snip]

[Snip]

> I recall a TV interview with an American school headteacher who's school
> was built on a site heavily contaminated with nuclear waste. He said that
> he always left the school windows open.

Someone complained that our village hall was unsafe because a diffuser was
missing from one of the fluorescent fittings.  He daughter, attending a 
dancing class, would suffer from radiation.

-- 
From KT24 

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 

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#3664

FromStuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Date2012-02-17 12:28 +0000
Message-ID<5262ed782eSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to#3658
In article <5262ce10abbbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> I recall a TV interview with an American school headteacher who's school
> was built on a site heavily contaminated with nuclear waste. He said that
> he always left the school windows open.

Does prevent a build up of Radon gas!

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org


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#3666

FromBrian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
Date2012-02-17 13:47 +0000
Message-ID<5262f4b64dbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
In reply to#3658
In article <5262ce10abbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
<bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:


[Snip]

> Weren't Welsh and Scottish sheep contaminated after Chernobyl and the
> meat was kept out of the food chain?

As of 17th November 2011 some restrictions were still in place, see:
http://www.food.gov.uk/consultations/ukwideconsults/2011/removalpostchernobylsheepcontrol

> Oddly enough, at the time, I worked in the department that analysed the
> implications of Chernobyl for the UK nuclear industry. 'Nough said! 

We went on holiday to California in the summer of '86, one of the
objectives was to meet his pen friend whom he had been writing to for a
couple of years. On the day the pen friend's father vetoed the meeting on
account of our radiation exposure!

[Snip]


B

-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. UK.
______________________________________________________________________

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#3671

FromBrian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
Date2012-02-17 15:48 +0000
Message-ID<5262ffd7a2brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
In reply to#3666
In article <5262f4b64dbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,

[Snip]

> We went on holiday to California in the summer of '86, one of the
> objectives was to meet his pen friend whom he had been writing to for a
                        ^ my son's
> couple of years. On the day the pen friend's father vetoed the meeting
> on account of our radiation exposure!

-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. UK.
______________________________________________________________________

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#3660

FromRussell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date2012-02-17 08:54 +0000
Message-ID<5262d9e69asee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to#3657
In article <5262ade57dbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian
Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

> > It's just a brilliant headline for the panic crowd who
> > think radiation is some terrible invisible killer. If
> > you think I'm being over-dramatic, there's a guy at
> > work who leaves the microwave door open so (and I
> > quote) "the radiation inside can dissipate". What can
> > you say, except give the guy a tin-foil hat!

> He exposes the whole household to fallout? Tell him to
> keep the door shut!

What about the infra-red radiation coming from the fire?

Or worse, that band of radiation at slightly higher
frequency than infra-red. Nasty - except that his eyes will
not work without it.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#3665

FromStuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Date2012-02-17 12:48 +0000
Message-ID<5262ef4df6Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to#3655
In article <almarsoft.4619828536433629894@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Really, that the fzzzzzt! meter 
> went up a billionth of a percentage point isn't something I'm going 
> to lose sleep over.

My eldest daughter is a radiotherapy technician at our local hospital,
degree in physics, Masters in medical physics, she was
appalled/outraged/laughing her socks off at the amount of fuss being made.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org


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#3713

FromTim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
Date2012-02-19 13:48 +0000
Message-ID<5263fc7d46tim@invalid.org.uk>
In reply to#3665
In article <5262ef4df6Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
<Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <almarsoft.4619828536433629894@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray
>    <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Really, that the fzzzzzt! meter went up a billionth of a percentage
> > point isn't something I'm going to lose sleep over.

> My eldest daughter is a radiotherapy technician at our local hospital,
> degree in physics, Masters in medical physics, she was
> appalled/outraged/laughing her socks off at the amount of fuss being
> made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk0WzCtF0yY

(Not the Nine O'Clock News - Windscale Flakes)

ISTR the concern about contaminated sheep in the uk is their direct
ingestion of fallout which had settled on the hillside and the
radioactive particulate matter entering the foodchain, not 'simply' the
radiation from it.  I don't fancy eating a cocktail of unstable isotopes.

According to the Independent, Scotland is free of fallout now.

(Sorry, this really is a HORRIBLE ad-laden web site, Flash-free browsing
recommended, e.g. NetSurf.)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scottish-sheep-farms-finally-free-of-chernobyl-fallout-2020059.html

-- 
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* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

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#3617

FromDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date2012-02-14 07:14 +0000
Message-ID<5261454aa3dave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to#3611
In article
<97670487-2766-4e2d-8141-9cee88063c96@hs8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
   jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]

> I'm a landlord. I ripped out all the gas fires and electric room
> heaters
> in my properties and replaced them with gas fired central heating.

Enough said Mr Rachman. :-)

Much of what you say could be held up as true, but unfortunately, in
building construction, refurb and maintenance, things are often not that
simple.

D.

And before you go off on another one with the "M" pejorative, it might be
worth noting I have spent much of my life actively working in the items I
note above. (Still am as it happens).

D.

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#3641 — Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff

FromBarry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2012-02-15 20:54 +0000
SubjectElectric heating: was ARM embedded stuff
Message-ID<6f30146252.barrygray@virginmedia.com>
In reply to#3599
In message <5260d00500Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
          Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article
> <dd923cab-831c-428a-9f74-16ccc14664a1@db5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>    jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Why on earth are people using electricity to heat homes? Madness!

> Because they don't have or cannot have gas available?

We have mains gas but still have electric heating and would not have 
anything else.

When we bought our house, thirty two years ago, it was derelict and 
had no heating of any sort. We installed eight electric storage 
heaters, enough to keep the whole house nice and warm even in the 
coldest weather. Four of these heaters are still in use; we replaced 
three fifteen years ago when I retired and we refurbished three rooms 
to suit our new life-style. In thirty two years we have had no 
problems of any sort and have spent not one penny (that's not one 
penny) on repairs or maintenance.

Our total energy bills each year are very similar to those of our 
friends living in similar houses; but over thirty two years most 
people with gas central heating will have spent up to £10 000 on 
upgrades,repairs and maintenance merely to keep their system working.

Many people, including the Prime Minister, Boris Johnson and the Civil 
Servant who devised the 2011 Census Form, show an ignorance of 
electric storage heating which is quite frightening: electric storage 
heaters are future-proofed and perfect for the new Green World. Read 
all about our experiences and visions on my web site.

 http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Tutoring/NSH/NSHIntro.html

HTH

Barry



-- 
Barry Gray
http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled 

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#3644 — Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff

From"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk>
Date2012-02-15 23:37 +0000
SubjectRe: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff
Message-ID<5262231cc0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
In reply to#3641
In article <6f30146252.barrygray@virginmedia.com>,
   Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Our total energy bills each year are very similar to those of our 
> friends living in similar houses; but over thirty two years most 
> people with gas central heating will have spent up to £10 000 on 
> upgrades,repairs and maintenance merely to keep their system working.

Up to £10,000?

In the 40 years I've had gas central heating, I've had one replacement
pump, one three way valve, and recently a new boiler costing about £1300.
All self installed.
And in that time I've been able to have the temperature as I want it when
I want it - something storage heaters have never achieved.

-- 
*Money isn‘t everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#3647 — Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff

FromBarry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2012-02-16 11:02 +0000
SubjectRe: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff
Message-ID<71d0616252.barrygray@virginmedia.com>
In reply to#3644
In message <5262231cc0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
          "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <6f30146252.barrygray@virginmedia.com>,
>    Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Our total energy bills each year are very similar to those of our
>> friends living in similar houses; but over thirty two years most
>> people with gas central heating will have spent up to £10 000 on
>> upgrades,repairs and maintenance merely to keep their system working.

> Up to £10,000?

> In the 40 years I've had gas central heating, I've had one replacement
> pump, one three way valve, and recently a new boiler costing about £1300.
> All self installed.
> And in that time I've been able to have the temperature as I want it when
> I want it - something storage heaters have never achieved.

I think that you are very much the exception: most people pay a lot 
more than £1300 for a new boiler, and also pay for a maintenance 
contract.

As far as control is concerned, thirty years ago the early storage 
heaters were not easy to control and many people could not cope; 
modern storage heaters are probably as easy to control as gas fired 
central heating, but with separate controls in every room. This is 
fully discussed on my web site as it is the commonest misconception 
about storage heaters.



-- 
Barry Gray
http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled 

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#3648 — Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff

From"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk>
Date2012-02-16 11:25 +0000
SubjectRe: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff
Message-ID<526263e638dave@davenoise.co.uk>
In reply to#3647
In article <71d0616252.barrygray@virginmedia.com>,
   Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > In the 40 years I've had gas central heating, I've had one replacement
> > pump, one three way valve, and recently a new boiler costing about
> > £1300. All self installed. And in that time I've been able to have the
> > temperature as I want it when I want it - something storage heaters
> > have never achieved.

> I think that you are very much the exception: most people pay a lot 
> more than £1300 for a new boiler, and also pay for a maintenance 
> contract.

Then they are mad. Maintenance contracts are a con. 

> As far as control is concerned, thirty years ago the early storage 
> heaters were not easy to control and many people could not cope; 
> modern storage heaters are probably as easy to control as gas fired 
> central heating, but with separate controls in every room. This is 
> fully discussed on my web site as it is the commonest misconception 
> about storage heaters.

I prefer something that works when I need it. The amount of energy needed
to heat a house varies according to many things. It can't be guessed at
accurately the night before. And of course even off peak electricity costs
more than gas.

-- 
*Give me ambiguity or give me something else.

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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