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  Invitation to join LinkedIn. Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-01-19 11:10 +0000
    Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-01-19 11:41 +0000
    Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-01-19 13:07 +0000
      Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-01-19 14:28 +0000
        Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-01-19 14:54 +0000
          Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-01-19 15:08 +0000
        Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-01-19 17:05 +0000
          Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-20 08:41 +0100
            Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-01-21 06:29 +0000
              Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-01-21 11:02 +0000
                Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-01-21 16:04 +0000
                  Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-21 18:58 +0100
                Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-21 18:54 +0100
                  Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-01-21 18:07 +0000
                  Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-01-21 22:55 +0000
                    Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-22 00:40 +0100
                      Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-01-22 23:54 +0000
                        Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-23 01:05 +0100
      Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-21 08:58 +0000
        Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-01-21 16:12 +0000
    Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-21 18:13 +0000
      Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-01-21 22:01 +0000
        Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. workstuff@mail.com - 2012-01-22 00:13 +0100
          Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-22 10:46 +0000
            Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Raymond Wiker <raw@unknown-00-23-6c-8d-9e-26.lan> - 2012-01-22 11:57 +0100
              Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-22 11:07 +0000
            Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-24 11:00 +0000
              Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-01-24 13:35 +0000
                Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-01-24 19:35 +0000
                Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2012-01-26 13:26 +0000
                  Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-26 21:18 +0000
                  Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-26 21:27 +0000
                Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. <erving@riscos.org> - 2012-01-27 16:18 +0000
    Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. druck <druck1368@gmail.com> - 2012-03-07 12:59 -0800
      Re: Invitation to join LinkedIn. Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 22:12 +0000

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#3371 — Invitation to join LinkedIn.

I have just received an invitation to join LinkedIn. It may or may not 
be the person I think it is, the treasurer of a society I am a member 
of. I must say I am wary. What do I get out of it? What risks do I 
run?

Michael Bell


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#3373

In article <6924f75352.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
   Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> I have just received an invitation to join LinkedIn. It may or may not 
> be the person I think it is, the treasurer of a society I am a member 
> of. I must say I am wary. What do I get out of it? What risks do I 
> run?

No risks that I can think of.  I know several people who are members, all
professional types who use it for business purposes.  Have a look at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LinkedIn

http://uk.linkedin.com/

Only you can decide if it is useful to you!

Cheers

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#3374

In article <6924f75352.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
   Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> I have just received an invitation to join LinkedIn. It may or may not 
> be the person I think it is, the treasurer of a society I am a member 
> of. I must say I am wary. What do I get out of it? What risks do I 
> run?

I have received a number of these, I just delete them immediately.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#3375

In message <525401ce75Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
          Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <6924f75352.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
>    Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
>> I have just received an invitation to join LinkedIn. It may or may not
>> be the person I think it is, the treasurer of a society I am a member
>> of. I must say I am wary. What do I get out of it? What risks do I
>> run?

> I have received a number of these, I just delete them immediately.

I sent an e-mail to the lady in question and she answered

"Ex treasurer, Michael. Blame Jon In order to accede to his invitation 
I had to join, And it hijacked my contacts list. Ignore. Suzanne"

"it hijacked my contacts list." ! That's serious malpractice!

Michael Bell


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#3376

In article <933e095452.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
   Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> I sent an e-mail to the lady in question and she answered

> "Ex treasurer, Michael. Blame Jon In order to accede to his invitation 
> I had to join, And it hijacked my contacts list. Ignore. Suzanne"

> "it hijacked my contacts list." ! That's serious malpractice!

It's normal for most of these sites.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#3377

In article <52540ba16bSpambin@argonet.co.uk>,
   Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <933e095452.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
>    Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> > I sent an e-mail to the lady in question and she answered

> > "Ex treasurer, Michael. Blame Jon In order to accede to his invitation 
> > I had to join, And it hijacked my contacts list. Ignore. Suzanne"

> > "it hijacked my contacts list." ! That's serious malpractice!

> It's normal for most of these sites.

Yes - I was invited to join by an ex free lance colleague (I'm now
retired) who is looking for work. I joined out of courtesy - although any
offer of work would be considered. ;-) Now get a few posts from them
telling me about others I've not heard of - and sometimes from different
countries. So just really more spam.

-- 
*Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill.

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#3378

In article <933e095452.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
   Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <525401ce75Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
>           Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <6924f75352.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
> >    Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> >> I have just received an invitation to join LinkedIn. It may or may not
> >> be the person I think it is, the treasurer of a society I am a member
> >> of. I must say I am wary. What do I get out of it? What risks do I
> >> run?

> > I have received a number of these, I just delete them immediately.

> I sent an e-mail to the lady in question and she answered

> "Ex treasurer, Michael. Blame Jon In order to accede to his invitation 
> I had to join, And it hijacked my contacts list. Ignore. Suzanne"

> "it hijacked my contacts list." ! That's serious malpractice!

This worried me after my blyth 'no worries' post earlier.

I'll have to ask my friends who use it for their experience.

Just to see I've signed up to Linkedin using Netsurf, reasoning that
there's no way their going to be able to hijack my contacts from
Pluto/Organiser unless their more RISC OS savvy than I'd expect!

All went smoothly.  There is a page in the process that seems to be
offering to search through your contacts to see if there are other Linkedin
members that you already know but it does offer you the chance to skip
this.  Perhaps your friend didn't notice this and that's how the
highjacking took place?

Netsurf wasn't much use after doing the sign-up process, lack of Javascript
and such.  Oregano can get in and various things although the display is
not what the authors intended.  How far it can get I've not discovered and
since I don't really have a purpose I doubt that I will.

Like all these things is usefulness depends very much on what you think you
can get out of it.  I think that it has become more Facebook-like as it has
aged, perhaps reflecting the changing demands of its demographic.

Keep it on RO and I don't think you need to worry too much. 

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#3380

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:05:06 +0000 (GMT), Alan Calder 
<alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:

> All went smoothly.  There is a page in the process that seems to be
> offering to search through your contacts to see if there are other 
Linkedin
> members that you already know

That's what I thought. Not so much a hijacking as a user 
comprehension failure.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3381

In message <almarsoft.7550257010854607628@news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:05:06 +0000 (GMT), Alan Calder
> <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:

>> All went smoothly.  There is a page in the process that seems to be
>> offering to search through your contacts to see if there are other
> Linkedin
>> members that you already know

> That's what I thought. Not so much a hijacking as a user
> comprehension failure.


> Best wishes,

> Rick.

You mean she wasn't sufficiently alert for the little tick-boxes 
*defaulting their way* that the sender doesn't want you see? Yes, 
that's probably what it was. Underhand. Tricksy. Not as it should be.

Michael Bell
-- 

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#3383

In article <cc11e55452.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
   Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <almarsoft.7550257010854607628@news.orange.fr>
>           Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:05:06 +0000 (GMT), Alan Calder
> > <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:

> >> All went smoothly.  There is a page in the process that seems to be
> >> offering to search through your contacts to see if there are other
> > Linkedin
> >> members that you already know

> > That's what I thought. Not so much a hijacking as a user
> > comprehension failure.

[Snip]

> You mean she wasn't sufficiently alert for the little tick-boxes 
> *defaulting their way* that the sender doesn't want you see? Yes, 
> that's probably what it was. Underhand. Tricksy. Not as it should be.

To be fair, Michael, the contacts search is offered in the form of a
question of the 'would you like to..?' form and the 'skip this stage'
button is perfectly visible and not hidden away.

Part of the problem is rather akin to the current RISC OS packaging thread.
 Programmers' thought processes are rather different from those of users
and often assume knowledge that isn't there.  In this case Linkedin would
be well advised to offer an explanation of what their 'search your
contacts' suggestion actually implies for the less net-speak savvy.

Trouble is that we live inan increasingly Facebookey world where social
media is becoming the norm for such a large proportion of the audience. 
Handing over your contact list is seen as the norm, a sort of passport to
the sunny uplands of global friendship.  Those of an older vintage who
resist this urge to be friends with everyone and their pet animal are
fighting a losing battle.

Grumpily

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#3384

In article <5254fe1024alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder
<alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> Part of the problem is rather akin to the current RISC OS packaging
> thread. Programmers' thought processes are rather different from those
> of users and often assume knowledge that isn't there.  In this case
> Linkedin would be well advised to offer an explanation of what their
> 'search your contacts' suggestion actually implies for the less
> net-speak savvy.

I wish I had a pound for the number of times I have said to users "don't
just click on OK, to get rid: read every dialogue or web page from top to
bottom and deal with every option presented to you. Never assume default
settings will be as you want" or something like it.  How else do Lusers
end up with twelve extra toolbars in Internet Explorer?

I think when joining a social network it is normal to allow it to scan
your contacts to find friends who beat you there but such sites usually
only send messages to your contacts if you allow or maybe don't untick a
tick-box. 

ISTR that when I joined LinkedIn, I specifically didn't allow it to send
adverts to anyone because I know it pisses some of them off. But some
people see no harm in letting it do this as the whole idea of LinkedIn is
to build a business network!!!!  Those will never work if we all stay a
big secret.  ;-)

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

... "Have more than though showest; speak less than thou knowest; lend less than thou owest" K Lear, Act i, Sc.4

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#3387

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:04:13 +0000 (GMT), Tim Hill 
<tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> Never assume default settings will be as you want" or something 
like it.

Ditto in Real Life.


On one form:
     [   ] Tick here if you wish to receive further mailings from 
ourselves our our partners.

On another form:
     [   ] Tick here if you do not want to receive publicity mailings.

It pays to read the little words carefully.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3386

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:02:26 +0000 (GMT), Alan Calder 
<alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:

> the sunny uplands of global friendship.

"Friend" is a tainted word. It takes more to become a friend than 
clicking a "+1" button.

My new phone (Experia Mini Pro) has a lot of Facebook integration 
that I switched off. As far as I'm concerned, Facebook can STFUAD 
(that's not a polite thing ;) ).

I also disabled Google automatically BACKING UP MY WIFI PASSWORD ON 
THEIR SERVERS (you *what*!?!?!?). If you're running Android 2.3+, it 
might be worthwhile making sure your access password isn't being 
thrown across the world, to utterly take the p!$$ out of any pretence 
of security. This was not a "would you like to", but more an 
out-of-the-box behaviour in order "to be helpful". Helpful, just like 
scanning your contacts list. It is amazing the privacy breaches 
people will forgo in order to make life a little bit simpler (says 
me, with my second Android phone...ho hum).


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3388

Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I also disabled Google automatically BACKING UP MY WIFI PASSWORD ON 
> THEIR SERVERS (you *what*!?!?!?). If you're running Android 2.3+, it 
> might be worthwhile making sure your access password isn't being 
> thrown across the world, to utterly take the p!$$ out of any pretence 
> of security.

Ouch, thanks for that.  Time to change the wifi password :(
(though they do claim it's deleted if you untick the option)

Theo

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#3395

In article <almarsoft.4376883315929924012@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


> I also disabled Google automatically BACKING UP MY WIFI PASSWORD ON 
> THEIR SERVERS (you *what*!?!?!?). If you're running Android 2.3+, it 
> might be worthwhile making sure your access password isn't being 
> thrown across the world, to utterly take the p!$$ out of any pretence 
> of security. This was not a "would you like to", but more an 
> out-of-the-box behaviour in order "to be helpful". Helpful, just like 
> scanning your contacts list. It is amazing the privacy breaches 
> people will forgo in order to make life a little bit simpler (says 
> me, with my second Android phone...ho hum).

I have a San Francisco II which allegedly is running Android 2.3 (although
there is some doubt about that). I couldn't find anything about it
broadcasting my Wi-Fi password to the world. How did you find that? What
menu? Do you feel able to give a bit more detail?

Thanks,

-- 
Chris Newman

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#3397

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:55:19 +0000 (GMT), Chris Newman 
<cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> there is some doubt about that). I couldn't find anything about it
> broadcasting my Wi-Fi password to the world. How did you find that? 
What
> menu? Do you feel able to give a bit more detail?

Home screen > [Menu] > Settings > Privacy


Best wishes,

Rick.

-- 
Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3406

In article <almarsoft.8421204352624381530@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:55:19 +0000 (GMT), Chris Newman 
> <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> > there is some doubt about that). I couldn't find anything about it
> > broadcasting my Wi-Fi password to the world. How did you find that? 
> What
> > menu? Do you feel able to give a bit more detail?

> Home screen > [Menu] > Settings > Privacy

Thanks for that

The only thing on that menu which approximates is an item which is labelled
"use my location for Google search results & other Google services." Could
that be it? I had that off anyway.

The only other two items there are "back up my settings" & "Factory data
reset"

-- 
Chris Newman

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#3407

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:54:44 +0000 (GMT), Chris Newman 
<cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> Thanks for that
> The only thing on that menu which approximates is an item which is 
labelled

I've done some poking around and it seems that some manufacturers 
provide this, others don't...


Best wishes,

Rick.

-- 
Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3382

In message <525401ce75Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
          Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <6924f75352.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
>    Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
>> I have just received an invitation to join LinkedIn. It may or may not
>> be the person I think it is, the treasurer of a society I am a member
>> of. I must say I am wary. What do I get out of it? What risks do I
>> run?

> I have received a number of these, I just delete them immediately.

I joined but I found one member is rather untrustworthy. There is no 
vetting so one needs to be careful who you meet. All that glitters is 
not gold.

Alan

-- 

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#3385

In article <64adf25452.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton
<alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> In message <525401ce75Spambin@argonet.co.uk> Stuart
>           <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <6924f75352.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>, Michael
> >    Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> >> I have just received an invitation to join LinkedIn. It may or may
> >> not be the person I think it is, the treasurer of a society I am a
> >> member of. I must say I am wary. What do I get out of it? What risks
> >> do I run?

> > I have received a number of these, I just delete them immediately.

> I joined but I found one member is rather untrustworthy. There is no
> vetting so one needs to be careful who you meet. All that glitters is
> not gold.

Or glisters, even.  ;-)

Like any social meeting place open to everyone and anyone, crooks will be
there too. Unlike the real world, you can usually block and report people
who abuse the system.

At my door the other day was a 'builder' who touts for business
travelling in a van with no decals and whose leaflet gives a mailbox
address, two mobile and one 0800 phone numbers. Claims to have done work
at a house 'up the road, sir' but gives the number of the house next
door. He seemed like a nice chap but the sentiment 'go away' is as
relevant here as online.

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

... "Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them" Twelfth N, Act ii, Sc.5

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