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  The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-11-30 20:09 +0000
    Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2011-11-30 22:10 +0000
      Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2011-11-30 22:20 +0000
        Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> - 2011-12-12 17:04 +0000
          Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-13 06:19 +0100
            Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> - 2011-12-14 17:14 +0000
          Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 10:31 +0000
            Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-14 15:28 +0000
            Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> - 2011-12-14 17:17 +0000
              Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 17:27 +0000
              Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 19:42 +0100
                Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2011-12-14 20:35 +0000
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 21:02 +0000
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Martin Wynn <m.wynn@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 21:56 +0000
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 21:06 +0000
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 07:21 +0100
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-18 08:08 +0000
                    Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Someone Somewhere <nntpac@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 08:59 +0000
                      Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-18 09:50 +0000
                        Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-20 06:15 +0100
                          Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-24 12:47 +0000
                          Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> - 2012-03-20 15:51 +0100
            Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> - 2011-12-15 11:29 +0100
              Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 10:50 +0000
                Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 12:41 +0000
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 13:12 +0000
              Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 10:32 +0000
              Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> - 2012-03-20 15:52 +0100
                Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2012-03-28 13:38 +0100
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-28 14:19 +0000
                    Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter John Kortink <kortink@inter.nl.net> - 2012-03-28 17:38 +0200
                      Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-28 20:44 +0000
                        Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter John Kortink <kortink@inter.nl.net> - 2012-03-29 01:25 +0200
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> - 2012-04-09 17:29 +0200
                    Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter John Kortink <kortink@inter.nl.net> - 2012-04-09 19:32 +0200
    Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-01 07:17 +0100
      Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2011-12-01 10:28 +0000

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#3111

In article <4ef019ef$0$2534$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray
<heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18/12/2011 10:50, Tim Hill wrote:

[Snip]

> > And what about the 60Hz TV mob?

> TV mob? You mean TV modulator? You're thinking of the A3010 - the A3000
> only has RGB and VBS (not CVBS, doesn't even manage colour... meh!).

[Snip]

No, I did mean the 60Hz TV mob. I mean those people saddled with such
delights as NTSC and suchlike. Did they have a different TV Modulator
fitted?

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#4475

Am 20.12.2011 06:15, schrieb Rick Murray:
> On 18/12/2011 10:50, Tim Hill wrote:
>
>> Oh, that above means "Later A3000s were branded [ONLY] as
>> Acorn". It maybe what was meant but it doesn't say that. :-p
>
> It's more "Later A3000s were NOT branded BBC" (apparently, still hoping
> for a photo of such).

Instead of searching for my old A3000 case, I waited for someone
selling it on eBay...

Have a look here:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/alter-PC-ACORN-3000-Zubehor-90er-Jahre-/120879757696

Notice the "A3000" without the "BBC" and the German keyboard ;-)

Steffen

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#2956

Chris Evans wrote:
> In article<26be854052.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com>, Graham Thurlwell
> <URL:mailto:nospam@jades.org>  wrote:
>> On the 30 Nov 2011, Steve Fryatt<news@stevefryatt.org.uk>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 30 Nov, Dave Higton wrote in message
>>>      <e1c2733a52.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>:
>>
>>>> Did you notice the very last line of the article, in which the author
>>>> describes the A3000 as "a final BBC Micro"?
>>
>>> Er, yes.  AFAIK it *was* the final, as IIRC it was the last (Acorn) machine
>>> to carry the BBC Microcomputer logo.
>>
>> It did, my family had one. It ran RISC OS 2 and had the Archimedes
>> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.
>
> I'm pretty certain they weren't!

I am pretty sure that all German A3000s were "Acorn" branded. Nobody
in Germany would have understood a BBC logo anyway.

Steffen

-- 
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hubersn Software - http://www.hubersn-software.com/

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#2957

In article <9ku0gvF695U1@mid.individual.net>,
   Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> wrote:
> Chris Evans wrote:
> > In article<26be854052.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com>, Graham Thurlwell
> > <URL:mailto:nospam@jades.org>  wrote:
> >> On the 30 Nov 2011, Steve Fryatt<news@stevefryatt.org.uk>  wrote:
> >>

[Snip]

> >>
> >> It did, my family had one. It ran RISC OS 2 and had the Archimedes
> >> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.
> >
> > I'm pretty certain they weren't!

> I am pretty sure that all German A3000s were "Acorn" branded. Nobody
> in Germany would have understood a BBC logo anyway.

All the 30 odd A3000s we had at school were dual-badged, the Acorn badge
being at the top left of the keyboard and the BBC Micro label and Owl logo
at the top right of the keyboard.  The BBC Micro label also had the old
A(rchimedes) logo and the 3000 identifier.

This can all be seen at http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Computers/A3000.html .
You need to scroll down the page to get at the pictures.

I suspect that the German ones would have been just the same.  Why bother
changing the labels?

Cheers

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#2960

In article <5241ef11f8alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder
<URL:mailto:alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <9ku0gvF695U1@mid.individual.net>,
>    Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> wrote:
> > Chris Evans wrote:
> > > In article<26be854052.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com>, Graham Thurlwell
> > > <URL:mailto:nospam@jades.org>  wrote:
> > >> On the 30 Nov 2011, Steve Fryatt<news@stevefryatt.org.uk>  wrote:
> > >>
> 
> [Snip]
> 
> > >>
> > >> It did, my family had one. It ran RISC OS 2 and had the Archimedes
> > >> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.
> > >
> > > I'm pretty certain they weren't!
> 
> > I am pretty sure that all German A3000s were "Acorn" branded. Nobody
> > in Germany would have understood a BBC logo anyway.
> 
> All the 30 odd A3000s we had at school were dual-badged, the Acorn badge
> being at the top left of the keyboard and the BBC Micro label and Owl logo
> at the top right of the keyboard.  The BBC Micro label also had the old
> A(rchimedes) logo and the 3000 identifier.
> 
> This can all be seen at http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Computers/A3000.html .
> You need to scroll down the page to get at the pictures.
> 
> I suspect that the German ones would have been just the same.  Why bother
> changing the labels?

As dealers we were warned not use the term BBC outside the UK becasue of:

In article <5241ed6c02charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles 
> and in any case, there was a dispute with Brown, Boverie et Cie over the
> branding outside the UK.

And as "Brown, Boverie et Cie" were German I believe, I'd expect full
compliance!

Also anyone other than Acorn using the owl logo, was jumped on from a great
height. People did, but not for long!

Chris Evans

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#2961

On 15 Dec 2011, Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5241ef11f8alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder

[snip]

> > and in any case, there was a dispute with Brown, Boverie et Cie over
> > the branding outside the UK.
>
> And as "Brown, Boverie et Cie" were German I believe, I'd expect full
> compliance!

Swiss. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown,_Boveri_%26_Cie

Tony

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#2958

In article <9ku0gvF695U1@mid.individual.net>,
   Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> wrote:
> Chris Evans wrote:
> > In article<26be854052.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com>, Graham Thurlwell
> > <URL:mailto:nospam@jades.org>  wrote:
> >> On the 30 Nov 2011, Steve Fryatt<news@stevefryatt.org.uk>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 30 Nov, Dave Higton wrote in message
> >>>      <e1c2733a52.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>:
> >>
> >>>> Did you notice the very last line of the article, in which the author
> >>>> describes the A3000 as "a final BBC Micro"?
> >>
> >>> Er, yes.  AFAIK it *was* the final, as IIRC it was the last (Acorn)
> >>> machine to carry the BBC Microcomputer logo.
> >>
> >> It did, my family had one. It ran RISC OS 2 and had the Archimedes
> >> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.
> >
> > I'm pretty certain they weren't!

> I am pretty sure that all German A3000s were "Acorn" branded. Nobody
> in Germany would have understood a BBC logo anyway.

and in any case, there was a dispute with Brown, Boverie et Cie over the
branding outside the UK.

-- 
From KT24 

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 

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#4476

Steffen Huber wrote:
> I am pretty sure that all German A3000s were "Acorn" branded. Nobody
> in Germany would have understood a BBC logo anyway.

And I finally have photographic evidence via eBay:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/alter-PC-ACORN-3000-Zubehor-90er-Jahre-/120879757696

See, all Acorn, no BBC in sight.

Steffen

-- 
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hubersn Software - http://www.hubersn-software.com/

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#4629

On 20 Mar 2012 as I do recall,
          Steffen Huber  wrote:

> Steffen Huber wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that all German A3000s were "Acorn" branded. Nobody
> > in Germany would have understood a BBC logo anyway.
>
> And I finally have photographic evidence via eBay:
>
> http://www.ebay.de/itm/alter-PC-ACORN-3000-Zubehor-90er-Jahre-/120879757696
>
Someone paid 198 Euros for a 'sold as defective' A3000?!

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Don't hate yourself in the morning - sleep till noon.

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#4631

In article <60d5877752.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>,
   Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2012 as I do recall,
>           Steffen Huber  wrote:

> > Steffen Huber wrote:
> > > I am pretty sure that all German A3000s were "Acorn" branded. Nobody
> > > in Germany would have understood a BBC logo anyway.
> >
> > And I finally have photographic evidence via eBay:
> >
> > http://www.ebay.de/itm/alter-PC-ACORN-3000-Zubehor-90er-Jahre-/120879757696
> >
> Someone paid 198 Euros for a 'sold as defective' A3000?!

Better dig mine out the the loft and put them up!

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#4633

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:19:44 +0000 (GMT), Stuart
<Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <60d5877752.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>,
>   Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 20 Mar 2012 as I do recall,
>>           Steffen Huber  wrote:
>
>> > Steffen Huber wrote:
>> > > I am pretty sure that all German A3000s were "Acorn" branded. Nobody
>> > > in Germany would have understood a BBC logo anyway.
>> >
>> > And I finally have photographic evidence via eBay:
>> >
>> > http://www.ebay.de/itm/alter-PC-ACORN-3000-Zubehor-90er-Jahre-/120879757696
>> >
>> Someone paid 198 Euros for a 'sold as defective' A3000?!
>
>Better dig mine out the the loft and put them up!

Don't forget to make it defective first.


John Kortink

-- 

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#4635

In article <vqb6n75b66epr8u4ap8k489lv81mi609u6@4ax.com>,
   John Kortink <kortink@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> >Better dig mine out the the loft and put them up!

> Don't forget to make it defective first.

I think at least one of them is and I wouldn't be surprised if the battery
on the other one hasn't leaked all over the board by now.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

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#4637

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:44:43 +0000 (GMT), Stuart
<Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <vqb6n75b66epr8u4ap8k489lv81mi609u6@4ax.com>,
>   John Kortink <kortink@inter.nl.net> wrote:
>> >Better dig mine out the the loft and put them up!
>
>> Don't forget to make it defective first.
>
>I think at least one of them is and I wouldn't be surprised if the battery
>on the other one hasn't leaked all over the board by now.

Sounds like a winner.


John Kortink

-- 

Email    : kortink@inter.nl.net
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#4868

Harriet Bazley wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2012 as I do recall,
>            Steffen Huber  wrote:
>
>> Steffen Huber wrote:
>>> I am pretty sure that all German A3000s were "Acorn" branded. Nobody
>>> in Germany would have understood a BBC logo anyway.
>>
>> And I finally have photographic evidence via eBay:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.de/itm/alter-PC-ACORN-3000-Zubehor-90er-Jahre-/120879757696
>>
> Someone paid 198 Euros for a 'sold as defective' A3000?!

Yep, here in Germany, Acorns are rare. Old Acorns are even more rare.
True German Acorns are ultra rare.

I remember someone selling a mint German A3010 in original packaging for
over 500 EUR.

Steffen

-- 
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hubersn Software - http://www.hubersn-software.com/

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#4870

On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:29:01 +0200, Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de>
wrote:

>Harriet Bazley wrote:
>[...]
>>
>> Someone paid 198 Euros for a 'sold as defective' A3000?!
>
>Yep, here in Germany, Acorns are rare. Old Acorns are even more rare.
>True German Acorns are ultra rare.

But strangely enough, practically all Electrons in the
Netherlands are German Acorns ...


John Kortink

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#2785

On 30/11/2011 21:09, druck wrote:

> The comment section has a few good reminiscings by former Beeb owners,

If we don't hear from Tony Smith for a while, he'll be in recovery after 
modding the comments. 163 at last check!


> but also a lot of bitter invective by Spectrum owners still suffering
> from a deep sense of inadequacy

Hehe. At boarding school, oddballs aside, it was Spectrum or Beeb. And 
yes, guys, some people had Electrons. They weren't bad little machines 
with a Plus3 bolted to the back. I think, as a rough generalisation, it 
is fair to say that their target demographic was entirely different. 
People with a Spectrum usually played Jet Set Willy and the likes, 
because the built-in BASIC was $#!+, the keyboard worse, and the video 
display only suitable for games (staring at text on it for too long did 
your head in). The Beeb, on the other hand, tended to have "educational 
games" (read "boring") or knock-offs of popular games on other 
platforms, or Elite. On the plus side, an accessible system both in 
terms of firmware and hardware led to a lot of poking, prodding, and 
fiddling. I/O on home computers was limited. The Beeb was having none of 
that, and made doing stuff (especially the user port) really really 
easy. Who hasn't hooked up their model railway to the computer? [okay, 
mine was <cough> Lego </cough>, but a breadboard jobbie with MOSFETs 
firing relays did the trick!]


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#2791

In article <4ed71c02$0$5667$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> The Beeb was having none of 
> that, and made doing stuff (especially the user port) really really 
> easy.

In the research lab at Uni we had a complete electron beam excitation
single photon counting system controlled by a beeb. Every port was in
use for something, including the second processor i/f with a IEEE
controller. Those were the days.

-- 
Chris Johnson

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