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  The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-11-30 20:09 +0000
    Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2011-11-30 22:10 +0000
      Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2011-11-30 22:20 +0000
        Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> - 2011-12-12 17:04 +0000
          Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-13 06:19 +0100
            Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> - 2011-12-14 17:14 +0000
          Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 10:31 +0000
            Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-14 15:28 +0000
            Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> - 2011-12-14 17:17 +0000
              Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 17:27 +0000
              Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 19:42 +0100
                Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2011-12-14 20:35 +0000
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 21:02 +0000
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Martin Wynn <m.wynn@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 21:56 +0000
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 21:06 +0000
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 07:21 +0100
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-18 08:08 +0000
                    Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Someone Somewhere <nntpac@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 08:59 +0000
                      Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-18 09:50 +0000
                        Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-20 06:15 +0100
                          Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-24 12:47 +0000
                          Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> - 2012-03-20 15:51 +0100
            Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> - 2011-12-15 11:29 +0100
              Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 10:50 +0000
                Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 12:41 +0000
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 13:12 +0000
              Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 10:32 +0000
              Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> - 2012-03-20 15:52 +0100
                Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2012-03-28 13:38 +0100
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-28 14:19 +0000
                    Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter John Kortink <kortink@inter.nl.net> - 2012-03-28 17:38 +0200
                      Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-28 20:44 +0000
                        Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter John Kortink <kortink@inter.nl.net> - 2012-03-29 01:25 +0200
                  Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> - 2012-04-09 17:29 +0200
                    Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter John Kortink <kortink@inter.nl.net> - 2012-04-09 19:32 +0200
    Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-01 07:17 +0100
      Re: The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2011-12-01 10:28 +0000

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#2771 — The BBC Micro turns 30 on The Regsiter

The Register has an article on the 30th anniversary of the launch of BBC 
Micro this year. The comment section has a few good reminiscings by 
former Beeb owners, but also a lot of bitter invective by Spectrum 
owners still suffering from a deep sense of inadequacy (of their 
machines and/or personality). Thoughtfully The Register has provided up 
vote and down vote buttons for each category.

http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/30/bbc_micro_model_b_30th_anniversary/

---druck

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#2774

In message <jb62ie$ppp$1@dont-email.me>
          druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

> The Register has an article on the 30th anniversary of the launch of BBC 
> Micro this year. The comment section has a few good reminiscings by 
> former Beeb owners, but also a lot of bitter invective by Spectrum 
> owners still suffering from a deep sense of inadequacy (of their 
> machines and/or personality). Thoughtfully The Register has provided up 
> vote and down vote buttons for each category.
> 
> http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/30/bbc_micro_model_b_30th_anniversary/

Did you notice the very last line of the article, in which the author
describes the A3000 as "a final BBC Micro"?

Dave

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#2776

On 30 Nov, Dave Higton wrote in message
    <e1c2733a52.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>:

> Did you notice the very last line of the article, in which the author
> describes the A3000 as "a final BBC Micro"?

Er, yes.  AFAIK it *was* the final, as IIRC it was the last (Acorn) machine
to carry the BBC Microcomputer logo.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England             Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
                                             Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/           http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

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#2898

On the 30 Nov 2011, Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

> On 30 Nov, Dave Higton wrote in message
>     <e1c2733a52.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>:

>> Did you notice the very last line of the article, in which the author
>> describes the A3000 as "a final BBC Micro"?

> Er, yes.  AFAIK it *was* the final, as IIRC it was the last (Acorn) machine
> to carry the BBC Microcomputer logo.

It did, my family had one. It ran RISC OS 2 and had the Archimedes 
icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn, I can't 
remember if that was before the change to RO3 however.

-- 
Jades' First Encounters Site - http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm
The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web.

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#2916

On 12/12/2011 18:04, Graham Thurlwell wrote:

> It did, my family had one. It ran RISC OS 2 and had the Archimedes
> icon on the icon bar.

Ditto. I put RISC OS 3 in it PDQ, mind you. ;-)


> Later A3000s were branded as Acorn,

They were? That wasn't just the later A3010/A3020 range?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#2944

On the 13 Dec 2011, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> 
wrote:

> On 12/12/2011 18:04, Graham Thurlwell wrote:

<snip>

>> Later A3000s were branded as Acorn,

> They were? That wasn't just the later A3010/A3020 range?

They weren't common, I think it was the very last batch of A3000s made 
before the A3010, A3020 and A4000s came out.

-- 
Jades' First Encounters Site - http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm
The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web.

nospam@jades.org /is/ a real email address!

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#2941

In article <26be854052.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com>, Graham Thurlwell
<URL:mailto:nospam@jades.org> wrote:
> On the 30 Nov 2011, Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On 30 Nov, Dave Higton wrote in message
> >     <e1c2733a52.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>:
> 
> >> Did you notice the very last line of the article, in which the author
> >> describes the A3000 as "a final BBC Micro"?
> 
> > Er, yes.  AFAIK it *was* the final, as IIRC it was the last (Acorn) machine
> > to carry the BBC Microcomputer logo.
> 
> It did, my family had one. It ran RISC OS 2 and had the Archimedes 
> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.

I'm pretty certain they weren't!


> I can't 
> remember if that was before the change to RO3 however.

RISC OS 3 (3.0) first appeared in the A5000 then (with 3.1) the A4000, A3020 &
A3010 were all realised together.



Chris Evans

-- 
CJE Micro's / 4D                'RISC OS Specialists'
Telephone: 01903 523222             Fax: 01903 523679
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#2942

In message <ant141025d07pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
          Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

>> It did, my family had one. It ran RISC OS 2 and had the Archimedes
>> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.

> I'm pretty certain they weren't!

Does he mean A30x0s as opposed to actual A3000s?

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#2943

On the 14 Dec 2011, Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <26be854052.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com>, Graham Thurlwell
> <URL:mailto:nospam@jades.org> wrote:

<snip>

>> It did, my family had one. It ran RISC OS 2 and had the Archimedes
>> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.

> I'm pretty certain they weren't!

IIRC They were, pretty sure a family friend had one. I remember 
thinking it unusual at the time. It was very late on though and I 
don't think that Acorn made many of that batch. Obviously the 'BBC' 
A3000 was the most widespread.

-- 
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The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web.

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#2945

In article <58a18e4152.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com>,
   Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> wrote:
> On the 14 Dec 2011, Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <26be854052.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com>, Graham Thurlwell
> > <URL:mailto:nospam@jades.org> wrote:

> <snip>

> >> It did, my family had one. It ran RISC OS 2 and had the Archimedes
> >> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.

> > I'm pretty certain they weren't!

> IIRC They were, pretty sure a family friend had one. I remember 
> thinking it unusual at the time. It was very late on though and I 
> don't think that Acorn made many of that batch. Obviously the 'BBC' 
> A3000 was the most widespread.

Acorn didn't actually make any - they just designed the beasts.  I ssupect
that the contact for the use of the BBC name ran out and had to be dropped
from later machines.

-- 
From KT24 

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 

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#2947

On 14/12/2011 18:17, Graham Thurlwell wrote:

>>> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.
>> I'm pretty certain they weren't!
> IIRC They were, pretty sure a family friend had one. I remember
> thinking it unusual at the time. It was very late on though and I
> don't think that Acorn made many of that batch. Obviously the 'BBC'
> A3000 was the most widespread.

To exercise a quote popular on El Reg forums...


   Pictures, or it didn't happen.


:-) Of course, a photo of such a machine is a definitive way to settle 
the discussion.
[bonus points of you can get a Playmobil guy into the photo]


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#2948

In message <4ee8ee01$0$2498$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
     Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 14/12/2011 18:17, Graham Thurlwell wrote:
> 
> >>> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.
> >> I'm pretty certain they weren't!
> > IIRC They were, pretty sure a family friend had one. I remember
> > thinking it unusual at the time. It was very late on though and I
> > don't think that Acorn made many of that batch. Obviously the 'BBC'
> > A3000 was the most widespread.
> 
> To exercise a quote popular on El Reg forums...
> 
> 
>    Pictures, or it didn't happen.
> 
> 
> :-) Of course, a photo of such a machine is a definitive way to settle 
> the discussion.
> [bonus points of you can get a Playmobil guy into the photo]

There's no ROS version of Photoshop is there. 

-- 
Fred

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#2949

In article <mpro.lw7nuq00001hi00za@ypical.nospam.invalid>,
   Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

> There's no ROS version of Photoshop is there. 

Photodesk could do the necessary quite easily in this instance.

Cheers

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#2950

In message <mpro.lw7nuq00001hi00za@ypical.nospam.invalid>
          Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

> In message <4ee8ee01$0$2498$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
>      Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 14/12/2011 18:17, Graham Thurlwell wrote:
>> 
>> >>> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.
>> >> I'm pretty certain they weren't!
>> > IIRC They were, pretty sure a family friend had one. I remember
>> > thinking it unusual at the time. It was very late on though and I
>> > don't think that Acorn made many of that batch. Obviously the 'BBC'
>> > A3000 was the most widespread.
>> 
>> To exercise a quote popular on El Reg forums...
>> 
>> 
>>    Pictures, or it didn't happen.
>> 
>> 
>> :-) Of course, a photo of such a machine is a definitive way to settle
>> the discussion.
>> [bonus points of you can get a Playmobil guy into the photo]
> 
> There's no ROS version of Photoshop is there.

Compo does the job.


-- 
Martin Wynn, Newport, Shropshire.
A. HTML.
Q. What are the two most annoying things about emails?

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#2951

In article <mpro.lw7nuq00001hi00za@ypical.nospam.invalid>,
   Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
> In message <4ee8ee01$0$2498$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
>      Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > On 14/12/2011 18:17, Graham Thurlwell wrote:
> > 
> > >>> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.
> > >> I'm pretty certain they weren't!
> > > IIRC They were, pretty sure a family friend had one. I remember
> > > thinking it unusual at the time. It was very late on though and I
> > > don't think that Acorn made many of that batch. Obviously the 'BBC'
> > > A3000 was the most widespread.
> > 
> > To exercise a quote popular on El Reg forums...
> > 
> > 
> >    Pictures, or it didn't happen.
> > 
> > 
> > :-) Of course, a photo of such a machine is a definitive way to settle 
> > the discussion.
> > [bonus points of you can get a Playmobil guy into the photo]

> There's no ROS version of Photoshop is there. 

no, but there is Photodesk

-- 
From KT24 

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 

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#2954

On 14/12/2011 21:35, Fred Bambrough wrote:

>> To exercise a quote popular on El Reg forums...
>>     Pictures, or it didn't happen.
>>
>> :-) Of course, a photo of such a machine is a definitive way to settle
>> the discussion.
>> [bonus points of you can get a Playmobil guy into the photo]
>
> There's no ROS version of Photoshop is there.

You want to use PhotoDesk? Jeez, just go *buy* a Playmobil man already! 
It'll cost less than the time wasted pasting him into the picture.

;-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3014

In article <mpro.lw7nuq00001hi00za@ypical.nospam.invalid>, Fred Bambrough
<fred@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
> In message <4ee8ee01$0$2498$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr> Rick Murray
>      <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > On 14/12/2011 18:17, Graham Thurlwell wrote:
> > 
> > >>> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.
> > >> I'm pretty certain they weren't!
> > > IIRC They were, pretty sure a family friend had one. I remember
> > > thinking it unusual at the time. It was very late on though and I
> > > don't think that Acorn made many of that batch. Obviously the 'BBC'
> > > A3000 was the most widespread.
> > 
> > To exercise a quote popular on El Reg forums...
> > 
> > 
> >    Pictures, or it didn't happen.

[Snip]


Can't you people use a search engine?  ;-)

BBC A3000 with BBC logo:

http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Computers/A3000.html

IIRC it was why the Archimedes and A3000 both had red function keys. The
A3010 had green function keys and no BBC owl.

That should have made the things £50 cheaper too. ISTR that was the BBC
fee per machine.

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#3017

On 18/12/2011 08:08, Tim Hill wrote:
> In article<mpro.lw7nuq00001hi00za@ypical.nospam.invalid>, Fred Bambrough
> <fred@[127.0.0.1]>  wrote:
>> In message<4ee8ee01$0$2498$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>  Rick Murray
>>       <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>  wrote:
>
>>> On 14/12/2011 18:17, Graham Thurlwell wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.
>>>>> I'm pretty certain they weren't!
>>>
>>>     Pictures, or it didn't happen.
>
[Different snip to make quoting more relevant]
>
> Can't you people use a search engine?  ;-)
>
> BBC A3000 with BBC logo:
>
> http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Computers/A3000.html
>
The question was that some A3000s were purely Acorn branded,  not that 
they were BBC branded (or that they had dual Acorn and BBC branding)

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#3019

In article <jcka0j$646$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Someone Somewhere
<nntpac@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 18/12/2011 08:08, Tim Hill wrote:
> > In article<mpro.lw7nuq00001hi00za@ypical.nospam.invalid>, Fred
> > Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]>  wrote:
> >> In message<4ee8ee01$0$2498$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>  Rick
> >>       Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>  wrote:
> >
> >>> On 14/12/2011 18:17, Graham Thurlwell wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>> icon on the icon bar. Later A3000s were branded as Acorn.
> >>>>> I'm pretty certain they weren't!
> >>>
> >>>     Pictures, or it didn't happen.
> >
> [Different snip to make quoting more relevant]
> >
> > Can't you people use a search engine?  ;-)
> >
> > BBC A3000 with BBC logo:
> >
> > http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Computers/A3000.html
> >
> The question was that some A3000s were purely Acorn branded,  not that
> they were BBC branded (or that they had dual Acorn and BBC branding)

Well, that wasn't clear to me,  obviously.

Particularly as they were ALL branded as Acorn! Hard to read things that
aren't there. Oh, that above means "Later A3000s were branded [ONLY] as
Acorn". It maybe what was meant but it doesn't say that.  :-p

I misread what was miswrote, sorry.

ISTR that some export models also had more internal metal shielding to
meet foreign RF emission standards so they weren't exactly the same on
the inside were they? I daresay a difference in external labelling may
have been helpful to them. Weren't later UK models sprayed with metallic
paint on the inside or somesuch? Or was that the A3010? What about the
A3000 PSU? Was that different for different countries? And what about the
60Hz TV mob? Were there other hardware differences too? Labels seem
almost unimportant by comparison even though most nationalities would
associate BBC with Auntie Beeb and not an obscure (sorry!) Swiss BBC
engineering firm which likes to think it could have been mistaken as the
specifier and promoter of a BBC Micro, but didn't want to be associated
with it (outside the UK) in case it flopped. I think our BBC and Acorn
should have stuck to their guns and merely agreed not to market the
things in Switzerland, rather than sticking only to the Empire, where --
on labels at least -- BBC Micro was usually spelt out in full words
anyway.

Anyone who has an A3000 doesn't need a bitmap editor to 'photoshop' a
fake not-a-BBC-Microcomputer image, just remove the label or obliterate
the Owl with something else. A felt pen or a playmobile person perhaps.
:-)

-- 
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#3047

On 18/12/2011 10:50, Tim Hill wrote:

> Oh, that above means "Later A3000s were branded [ONLY] as
> Acorn". It maybe what was meant but it doesn't say that.  :-p

It's more "Later A3000s were NOT branded BBC" (apparently, still hoping 
for a photo of such).


> ISTR that some export models also had more internal metal shielding to
> meet foreign RF emission standards  so they weren't exactly the same on
> the inside were they?

Ought to be possible to jiggle in some shielding without changing much 
else. Probably a metal wrapper and some pieces of mylar so the mainboard 
doesn't short...


> What about the A3000 PSU? Was that different for different countries?

I *think*:

   1. It is fairly tolerant. Didn't seem fazed by Spanish power (220V)
      and works okay on French (230V).

   2. IIRC, there's a flying lead inside to select 110V or 240V
      operation.

   3. Does anything made since the late '80s care much about 50/60Hz?


> And what about the 60Hz TV mob?

TV mob? You mean TV modulator? You're thinking of the A3010 - the A3000 
only has RGB and VBS (not CVBS, doesn't even manage colour... meh!).


> Were there other hardware differences too?

Possibly a slightly different keyboard layout? Foreigners might like 
easier access to their wibbles and wobbles over certain letters.

Otherwise, I can't imagine much else that would need to be different on 
a bog-standard A3000. Maybe Acorn did Germany the decency of fitting the 
serial port [*], or something?


* - I pay that much for a computer, and you leave out 12 quid of
     flippin' hardware - WTF?


> I think our BBC and Acorn should have stuck to their guns

Ditto. I notice the BBC calls itself the BBC. On Astra 19.2E is *BBC* 
World. There used to be (might still be in the US) "BBC Prime". Go to 
Google and "wiki bbc", guess what appears.

The (Swiss) BBC wins on history (1891 vs 1927 for Auntie), but in 
recognition, I think Beeb wins.

FWIW, my A3000 has it written out in full.


> fake not-a-BBC-Microcomputer image, just remove the label or obliterate
> the Owl with something else. A felt pen or a playmobile person perhaps.

Gee, now that wouldn't be obvious or anything... ;-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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