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  Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-17 19:02 +0100
    Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> - 2011-11-17 19:27 +0000
      Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-11-17 19:50 +0000
        Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-17 20:06 +0000
          Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-17 20:37 +0000
        Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2011-11-17 23:56 +0000
          Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-18 11:41 +0000
            Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2011-11-18 12:52 +0000
              Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-18 14:35 +0000
            Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-20 17:57 +0100
              Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-11-21 09:56 +0000
                Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Robin Hounsome <robin@hounsome.org.uk> - 2011-11-21 17:13 +0000
                  Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-24 08:59 +0100
                Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-24 08:54 +0100
                  Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> - 2011-11-29 17:26 +0100
    Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-11-17 23:27 +0000
      Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-11-17 23:33 +0000
    Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2011-11-17 23:55 +0000
      Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2011-11-18 09:42 +0000
        Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2011-11-18 10:19 +0000
          Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2011-11-18 11:03 +0000
            Re: Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2011-11-18 12:54 +0000

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#2541 — Completely off-topic shortie - ITV region

Hi,

I'm asking this here as hopefully I'll find an intelligent answer from a 
person living in said area.

Back when I was living in Britain (...until 2002), I lived in Ash (when 
not elsewhere!) and used to watched BBC South and ITV Meridian off the 
Hannington transmitter. We were in the catchment of London, but I rarely 
watched that.

I'm looking for news to cover Ash/Aldershot/Fleet/Camberley and maybe 
extend over towards Woking/Guildford.

I set up my FTA satellite receiver ages ago, I think it is a "Meridian". 
Now that I am setting up another box, I notice I have:
   Thames Valley South
   Meridian West
   Meridian East
Which would be the most applicable? I suspect Meridian West would be 
more or less the same catchment as BBC South; but I'm not sure what the 
boundary of Thames Valley actually is - I suspect Berkshire, but may be 
wrong.


That's all. Thank you.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#2546

Rick,

We live in Farnham and have been wondering about this when analogue 
goes next year.

Our aerial points towards Guildford (London) but we can still get 
Meridian and BBC TV South on analogue "off the back" of the aerial. I 
think Satellite Free View is the way we'll have to go to get 
"relevant" news.

In message <4ec54c31$0$2533$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I set up my FTA satellite receiver ages ago, I think it is a "Meridian".
> Now that I am setting up another box, I notice I have:
>    Thames Valley South
>    Meridian West
>    Meridian East
> Which would be the most applicable? I suspect Meridian West would be
> more or less the same catchment as BBC South; but I'm not sure what the
> boundary of Thames Valley actually is - I suspect Berkshire, but may be
> wrong.

I think Meridian West will be the most appropriate (they changed the 
areas around some time ago). That should give you BBC from Southampton 
which covers everywhere from Brighton to Oxfordshire and ITV from, I 
think, Guildford westwards.

Chris

-- 

Chris Shepheard writing as himself          
chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk
from far west Surrey                        www.chrispics.co.uk

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#2547

In article <b4f7b23352.chris.shepheard@shepheard.plus.com>,
   Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> wrote:

> We live in Farnham and have been wondering about this when
> analogue goes next year.

It is amazing the things one learns on this NG.

It is so long since we went digital here that I thought the
whole country must have switched long ago.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#2548

In article <5233b51974see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <b4f7b23352.chris.shepheard@shepheard.plus.com>,
>    Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> wrote:

> > We live in Farnham and have been wondering about this when
> > analogue goes next year.

> It is amazing the things one learns on this NG.

> It is so long since we went digital here that I thought the
> whole country must have switched long ago.

Down here on the South coast, we are among a couple of places who'll be
the last to be switched over in March 2012.


I believe the North East (Tyne & Wear) are also next March.
D.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#2549

In article <5233b69467dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
<dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5233b51974see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
>    Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>    wrote:
> > In article <b4f7b23352.chris.shepheard@shepheard.plus.com>,
> >    Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> wrote:

> > > We live in Farnham and have been wondering about this when
> > > analogue goes next year.

> > It is amazing the things one learns on this NG.

> > It is so long since we went digital here that I thought the
> > whole country must have switched long ago.

> Down here on the South coast, we are among a couple of places
> who'll be the last to be switched over in March 2012.


> I believe the North East (Tyne & Wear) are also next March. 

That's right.  The TV region covers northern Cumbria, Durham,
up to mid Northumberland much of North Yorkshire from several
transmitters.

One of the most informative sites for all the free TV sources
(terrestrial and satellite transmitters and online TV) is
http://www.ukfree.tv/

Brian.

-- 
______________________________________________________________

Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK  briancarroll at f2s dot com
______________________________________________________________

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#2554

In article <5233b51974see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <b4f7b23352.chris.shepheard@shepheard.plus.com>,
>    Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> wrote:

> > We live in Farnham and have been wondering about this when
> > analogue goes next year.

> It is amazing the things one learns on this NG.

> It is so long since we went digital here that I thought the
> whole country must have switched long ago.

London area still has its analogue transmitters. Despite having had the
first digital ones.

-- 
*Corduroy pillows are making headlines.  

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#2561

In article <5233cb9abedave@davenoise.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5233b51974see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
>    Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <b4f7b23352.chris.shepheard@shepheard.plus.com>,
> >    Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> wrote:

> > > We live in Farnham and have been wondering about this when
> > > analogue goes next year.

> > It is amazing the things one learns on this NG.

> > It is so long since we went digital here that I thought the
> > whole country must have switched long ago.

> London area still has its analogue transmitters. Despite having had the
> first digital ones.

London's Crystal Palace transmitter switches off analogue on 4th April
next year and then I won't be able to use my teletext adaptor on my BBC B
and Teletext+ on my RiscPC - trying desperately to get on topic before
Druck notices.  :-)

Alan

Alan

-- 
alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk
alan.dawes@riscos.org
Using an Acorn RiscPC

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#2562

In article <52340c2194alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>,
   Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> London's Crystal Palace transmitter switches off analogue on 4th April
> next year and then I won't be able to use my teletext adaptor on my BBC B
> and Teletext+ on my RiscPC - trying desperately to get on topic before
> Druck notices.  :-)

Same with my RiscTV card. Although I believe it can be updated to
FreeView. However, it hasn't worked for some time. Think round about when
I changed to an LCD monitor. I can sort of see a still frame if I save, so
my guess is it's a software thing.

-- 
*Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine*

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#2564

In article <5234129dafdave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52340c2194alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>, Alan Dawes
>    <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > London's Crystal Palace transmitter switches off analogue on
> > 4th April next year and then I won't be able to use my
> > teletext adaptor on my BBC B and Teletext+ on my RiscPC -
> > trying desperately to get on topic before Druck notices.  :-)

> Same with my RiscTV card. Although I believe it can be updated
> to FreeView. However, it hasn't worked for some time. Think
> round about when I changed to an LCD monitor. I can sort of
> see a still frame if I save, so my guess is it's a software
> thing.

I've had exactly the same experience :-(

However, as my new(ish) 22" LCD monitor is also a very nice
digital TV I don't any longer need the Risc TV card.  I would be
happy to give it away for the cost of postage.  Any bids to the
email address below the sig, please.

Brian.

-- 
______________________________________________________________

Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK  briancarroll at f2s dot com
______________________________________________________________

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#2609

On 18/11/2011 12:41, Alan Dawes wrote:

> next year and then I won't be able to use my teletext adaptor on my BBC B
> and Teletext+ on my RiscPC - trying desperately to get on topic before
> Druck notices.  :-)

If you have an IIC teletext receiver, you could also give my !Teletext 
(inspired name, no?) a whirl before it's all done with...
   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ttx/

There's a Windows version too, if you feel up to soldering together a 
little parallel lead... er... assuming you have a computer old enough to 
actually have a parallel port...

Oh, and the cheap'n'cheerful hack-together for DOS (Teletext for DOS, 
attempts to render teletext 'graphics' with ANSI characters (no, it 
isn't bitmapped)) understands the PC emulator gateway service, so you 
can use your RISC OS IIC lead (not parallel) with IIC SWI calls from 
DOS. ;-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#2629

In message <4ec93166$0$5703$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 18/11/2011 12:41, Alan Dawes wrote:
> 
> > next year and then I won't be able to use my teletext adaptor on my
> > BBC B and Teletext+ on my RiscPC - trying desperately to get on
> > topic before Druck notices.  :-)
> 
[snip]
> 
> Oh, and the cheap'n'cheerful hack-together for DOS (Teletext for DOS, 
> attempts to render teletext 'graphics' with ANSI characters (no, it 
> isn't bitmapped)) understands the PC emulator gateway service, so you 
> can use your RISC OS IIC lead (not parallel) with IIC SWI calls from 
> DOS. ;-)
> 

I think the 'Teletext adaptor's' should still work with the old analogue
satellite transmissions - if you wanted to still use it.

-- 
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK

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#2636

In article <3c028e3552.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>,
   <cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid> wrote:
> In message <4ec93166$0$5703$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
>           Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > On 18/11/2011 12:41, Alan Dawes wrote:
> > 
> > > next year and then I won't be able to use my teletext adaptor on my
> > > BBC B and Teletext+ on my RiscPC - trying desperately to get on
> > > topic before Druck notices.  :-)
> > 
> [snip]
> > 
> > Oh, and the cheap'n'cheerful hack-together for DOS (Teletext for DOS, 
> > attempts to render teletext 'graphics' with ANSI characters (no, it 
> > isn't bitmapped)) understands the PC emulator gateway service, so you 
> > can use your RISC OS IIC lead (not parallel) with IIC SWI calls from 
> > DOS. ;-)
> > 

> I think the 'Teletext adaptor's' should still work with the old analogue
> satellite transmissions - if you wanted to still use it.

And not just analogue satellite transmissions, many of the older digital
boxes (original sky digital box for instance) will do VBI text
re-insertion if the broadcaster enables it.

-- 
Remote - http://www.hounsome.org.uk
TV display software for the Iyonix

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#2673

On 21/11/2011 18:13, Robin Hounsome wrote:

> And not just analogue satellite transmissions, many of the older digital
> boxes (original sky digital box for instance) will do VBI text
> re-insertion if the broadcaster enables it.

I think *all* SD boxes do this as VBI insertion was part of the 
specification. However, these days, it is mostly used to provide p888 
subtitling - indeed, that's where you'll often end up if you press the 
text button.

Unfortunately, some broadcasters try to be clever and the text button 
doubles as "the red button". Meh.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#2672

On 21/11/2011 10:56, cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> I think the 'Teletext adaptor's' should still work with the old analogue
> satellite transmissions - if you wanted to still use it.

They do - that's how I developed my software as of 2002. Problem is, the 
number of teletext channels are diminishing. CNBC and CNN have both 
gone. It's still in use in Spain, sort-of in Germany, and less in 
France. It's a damn shame all these EPG standards and so few are 
compatible with each other.

For those with SkyDigital, you might like to try adding a custom channel:
   10744 H 22000 5/6
Scan that and pick out RTÉ One and RTÉ Two. You cannot watch these 
channels, however you can access the teletext service.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#2758

Rick Murray wrote:
> They do - that's how I developed my software as of 2002. Problem is, the
> number of teletext channels are diminishing. CNBC and CNN have both
> gone. It's still in use in Spain, sort-of in Germany, and less in
> France.

As far as I am aware, all (major) German TV stations still supply
teletext. ARD, ZDF, Sat1, RTL, RTL2, SuperRTL, Pro7, Kabel1, Vox...

Steffen

-- 
Steffen Huber - http://www.huber-net.de/
hubersn Software - http://www.hubersn-software.com/

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#2551

Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I set up my FTA satellite receiver ages ago, I think it is a "Meridian". 
> Now that I am setting up another box, I notice I have:
>    Thames Valley South
>    Meridian West
>    Meridian East
> Which would be the most applicable? I suspect Meridian West would be 
> more or less the same catchment as BBC South; but I'm not sure what the 
> boundary of Thames Valley actually is - I suspect Berkshire, but may be 
> wrong.

I used to live in Liphook, and our aerial was pointed at Hannington.
Hannington is (I assume) 'Thames Valley South' - we would get all the news
for Reading, Newbury, etc in the 'very local' segments in South Today and
Meridian Tonight.  Meridian West I think is Rowridge - Portsmouth,
Southampton, New Forest (actually more of local relevance, but the signal
wasn't so good).  I assume Meridian East is Brighton, Dover, etc.

For all but about 5 minutes of the day, it doesn't matter.

Theo

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#2552

Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> I used to live in Liphook, and our aerial was pointed at Hannington.
> Hannington is (I assume) 'Thames Valley South' - we would get all the news
> for Reading, Newbury, etc in the 'very local' segments in South Today and
> Meridian Tonight.  Meridian West I think is Rowridge - Portsmouth,
> Southampton, New Forest (actually more of local relevance, but the signal
> wasn't so good).  I assume Meridian East is Brighton, Dover, etc.

So Ash/Camberley etc would be Thames Valley South... Guildford and Woking
probably come off Crystal Palace so get London TV (don't know if that has
local news areas like Meridian does).

Ah, the transmitter groups here seem to correspond:
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/broadcasting/guidance/tech-guidance/transmaps/

Theo

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#2553

In article <4ec54c31$0$2533$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Back when I was living in Britain (...until 2002), I lived in Ash (when 
> not elsewhere!) and used to watched BBC South and ITV Meridian off the 
> Hannington transmitter. We were in the catchment of London, but I rarely 
> watched that.

> I'm looking for news to cover Ash/Aldershot/Fleet/Camberley and maybe 
> extend over towards Woking/Guildford.

> I set up my FTA satellite receiver ages ago, I think it is a "Meridian". 
> Now that I am setting up another box, I notice I have:
>    Thames Valley South
>    Meridian West
>    Meridian East
> Which would be the most applicable? I suspect Meridian West would be 
> more or less the same catchment as BBC South; but I'm not sure what the 
> boundary of Thames Valley actually is - I suspect Berkshire, but may be 
> wrong.

Just look at the local news (BBC1 approx 6.30) and see which one suits the
best? But they may have altered the size of the region since you last
lived here.

-- 
*Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to?

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#2556

In article <5233cb7bd3dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4ec54c31$0$2533$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
>    Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Back when I was living in Britain (...until 2002), I
> > lived in Ash (when not elsewhere!) and used to watched
> > BBC South and ITV Meridian off the Hannington
> > transmitter. We were in the catchment of London, but I
> > rarely watched that.

> > I'm looking for news to cover
> > Ash/Aldershot/Fleet/Camberley and maybe extend over
> > towards Woking/Guildford.

> > I set up my FTA satellite receiver ages ago, I think it
> > is a "Meridian". Now that I am setting up another box, I
> > notice I have: Thames Valley South Meridian West Meridian
> > East Which would be the most applicable? I suspect
> > Meridian West would be more or less the same catchment
> > as BBC South; but I'm not sure what the boundary of
> > Thames Valley actually is - I suspect Berkshire, but may
> > be wrong.

> Just look at the local news (BBC1 approx 6.30) and see
> which one suits the best? But they may have altered the
> size of the region since you last lived here.

Also remember the changes proposed under the BBC  "Delivering
Quality First" document. 
"BBC management is reviewing the number of regional varients
in England carried on digital satellite and intends to enable
savings in distribution costs, although these programmes would
continue to be transmitted on Freeview".

-- 
besters
Ned

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#2559

In article <52340134e4news@ned.uk.invalid>,
   NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> wrote:
> > Just look at the local news (BBC1 approx 6.30) and see
> > which one suits the best? But they may have altered the
> > size of the region since you last lived here.

> Also remember the changes proposed under the BBC  "Delivering
> Quality First" document. 

If ever there was a misnomer...

> "BBC management is reviewing the number of regional varients
> in England carried on digital satellite and intends to enable
> savings in distribution costs, although these programmes would
> continue to be transmitted on Freeview".

I suppose as FreeView finally rolls out at full power, there will be fewer
in the UK who have to rely on satellite? Those overseas who don't pay a
licence can just accept what they get. ;-)

I have used satellite to watch a drama on BBC Scotland which wasn't
transmitted in the London area until much later. And it wasn't a 'Scottish
interest' play.

-- 
*This message has been ROT-13 encrypted twice for extra security *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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