Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > comp.sys.acorn.misc > #2224 > unrolled thread

RISC OS hits OSNews

Back to article view | Back to comp.sys.acorn.misc

Contents

  RISC OS hits OSNews patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-10-31 18:30 +0000
    Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Martin Hansen <mhh@shrewsbury.org.uk> - 2011-10-31 12:10 -0700
      Re: RISC OS hits OSNews patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-10-31 20:15 +0000
        Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-10-31 19:49 +0000
          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-10-31 20:45 +0000
          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2011-11-01 12:59 +0000
            Re: RISC OS hits OSNews trevj <trevj@cwazy.co.uk> - 2011-11-01 09:03 -0700
              Re: RISC OS hits OSNews patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-11-01 17:38 +0000
            Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-01 20:57 +0100
              Re: RISC OS hits OSNews patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-11-01 21:11 +0000
                Re: RISC OS hits OSNews patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-11-01 22:45 +0000
                  Re: RISC OS hits OSNews "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2011-11-01 23:58 +0000
                    Re: RISC OS hits OSNews patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-11-02 00:48 +0000
                    Re: RISC OS hits OSNews M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-11-02 16:08 +0000
                      Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-02 18:23 +0100
                        Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2011-11-02 18:22 +0000
                          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews David H Wild <dhwild@talktalk.net> - 2011-11-02 19:24 +0000
                          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-02 19:33 +0000
                            Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2011-11-02 19:40 +0000
                          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-03 19:49 +0100
                            Re: RISC OS hits OSNews druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-11-03 19:49 +0000
                    Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-02 18:08 +0100
                  Re: RISC OS hits OSNews trevj <trevj@cwazy.co.uk> - 2011-11-02 02:19 -0700
                    Re: RISC OS hits OSNews patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-11-03 01:52 +0000
                      Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-03 19:54 +0100
                        Re: RISC OS hits OSNews trevj <trevj@cwazy.co.uk> - 2011-11-03 13:27 -0700
                          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-11-03 21:41 +0000
                            Re: RISC OS hits OSNews trevj <trevj@cwazy.co.uk> - 2011-11-04 01:16 -0700
                          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-04 07:03 +0100
                Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-02 19:00 +0100
                  Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-11-03 00:21 +0000
                    Re: RISC OS hits OSNews patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-11-03 01:31 +0000
                    Re: RISC OS hits OSNews patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-11-03 02:24 +0000
              Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-01 22:26 +0000
                Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-02 18:34 +0100
                  Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 21:51 +0000
                    Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-03 20:03 +0100
                    Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Stewart Brodie <stewart.brodie@ntlworld.com> - 2011-11-04 01:24 +0000
                      Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-04 07:20 +0100
                        Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Stewart Brodie <stewart.brodie@ntlworld.com> - 2011-11-05 00:56 +0000
                          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-05 07:18 +0100
                            Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Stewart Brodie <stewart.brodie@ntlworld.com> - 2011-11-05 20:59 +0000
                              Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-07 05:06 +0100
                          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:32 +0100
                      Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-04 09:22 +0000
                        Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Stewart Brodie <stewart.brodie@ntlworld.com> - 2011-11-04 22:53 +0000
                          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-05 07:23 +0100
                          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-06 12:48 +0000
                  Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2011-11-22 00:19 +0000
          Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-06 07:02 +0000
        Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-01 20:35 +0100
      Re: RISC OS hits OSNews Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-10-31 20:09 +0000

Page 1 of 3  [1] 2 3  Next page →

#2224 — RISC OS hits OSNews

Surprisingly enthusiastic article:

http://tinyurl.com/6bplwdj

-- patric

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]

#2228

For those not on twitter, "Raspberry Pi to embrace RISC OS" is
on the RISC OScode website.
I got this up at around 3am and immediately emailed a synopsis
to OS NEWS.
If truth be told, I'd written the article with them in mind but they
are quite careful about what they allow on the OS NEWS website.
It's just great that they have run with the story writting there own
summary of the RISCOScode piece, as well as linking to it.
Great to watch the comments rolling in, and there are now about
over forty. It's a lively discussion which I'm staying out of but
if anyone wants to roll up their sleves and get stuck in, it's fine
by me.
RISC OS has not been on OS NEWS since April with
"ARMini revs Wakefield" which didn't generate anywhere near
as much passion on the OS NEWS site. This time, we're
getting much more noticed.
It's been a good day for RISC OS and I hope the folks at
Raspberry Pi are enjoying the activity too. From there point
of view, the more Raspberry Pi is talked about the better as
they are looking to sell 30 000 units to break even.
I've got a feeling they are going to easily manage that. As
a project it feels like they know what they are doing on all
sorts of level - the product, marketing, handling the media.
It will be good if we can tag along, but with outsiders
looking in, we really need to get our act together for this.
Best chance to promote RISC OS for years, and years.
Regards,
Martin

http://www.RISCOScode.com

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2230

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:10:13 -0700 (PDT)
Martin Hansen <mhh@shrewsbury.org.uk> wrote:

> For those not on twitter, "Raspberry Pi to embrace RISC OS" is
> on the RISC OScode website.
> I got this up at around 3am and immediately emailed a synopsis
> to OS NEWS.
> If truth be told, I'd written the article with them in mind but they
> are quite careful about what they allow on the OS NEWS website.
> It's just great that they have run with the story writting there own
> summary of the RISCOScode piece, as well as linking to it.
> Great to watch the comments rolling in, and there are now about
> over forty. It's a lively discussion which I'm staying out of but
> if anyone wants to roll up their sleves and get stuck in, it's fine
> by me.
> RISC OS has not been on OS NEWS since April with
> "ARMini revs Wakefield" which didn't generate anywhere near
> as much passion on the OS NEWS site. This time, we're
> getting much more noticed.
> It's been a good day for RISC OS and I hope the folks at
> Raspberry Pi are enjoying the activity too. From there point
> of view, the more Raspberry Pi is talked about the better as
> they are looking to sell 30 000 units to break even.
> I've got a feeling they are going to easily manage that. As
> a project it feels like they know what they are doing on all
> sorts of level - the product, marketing, handling the media.
> It will be good if we can tag along, but with outsiders
> looking in, we really need to get our act together for this.
> Best chance to promote RISC OS for years, and years.
> Regards,
> Martin
> 
> http://www.RISCOScode.com

Fully agree Martin, this is the chance of a lifetime. Well sort of!
Thought it a bit cheeky to write about Raspberry Pi embracing RISC OS
when it's really the other way round but since Liz linked
to OSNews she doesn't seem to mind. It's free press for them of course
and for us too. A  w-w if there ever was one!

Must say I AM surprised by all the positive comments. 
Think we might need a roadmap for RISC OS on the R-Pi. The port being
one thing but if we really want to capitalise on this one we'll need 
one stop documentation to go with it. BBC Basic, d'n'd, the GUI and that 
is all fine but we need to point people to the wealth of relevant stuff
available. Modern things like RiscLua for example.

I'd even volunteer to help.

-- patric

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2231

patric <patric@invalid.net> wrote:
> Must say I AM surprised by all the positive comments. 
> Think we might need a roadmap for RISC OS on the R-Pi. The port being
> one thing but if we really want to capitalise on this one we'll need 
> one stop documentation to go with it. BBC Basic, d'n'd, the GUI and that 
> is all fine but we need to point people to the wealth of relevant stuff
> available. Modern things like RiscLua for example.

That would be really useful.  As well as people working on actual hardware,
there's a lot the RISC OS community can do in terms of getting a decent boot
image together (eg ROOL's recent emulator image - which I haven't seen yet -
but with a programming bent).  In these days of Live CDs and 'apt-get
upgrade' people are used to having all the software installed from day one. 
And RISC OS software isn't exactly a disc hog.

Also documentation.  Particularly relevant is documentation of modern
languages/libraries/etc... tutorials that appeared in Acorn User in 1993 are
probably a little outdated now, as is the assumption that everyone starts by
programming in BASIC.

> I'd even volunteer to help.

Well volunteered :)

Theo

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2232

On 31 Oct 2011 19:49:01 +0000 (GMT)
Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> patric <patric@invalid.net> wrote:
> > Must say I AM surprised by all the positive comments. 
> > Think we might need a roadmap for RISC OS on the R-Pi. The port being
> > one thing but if we really want to capitalise on this one we'll need 
> > one stop documentation to go with it. BBC Basic, d'n'd, the GUI and that 
> > is all fine but we need to point people to the wealth of relevant stuff
> > available. Modern things like RiscLua for example.
> 
> That would be really useful.  As well as people working on actual hardware,
> there's a lot the RISC OS community can do in terms of getting a decent boot
> image together (eg ROOL's recent emulator image - which I haven't seen yet -
> but with a programming bent).  In these days of Live CDs and 'apt-get
> upgrade' people are used to having all the software installed from day one. 
> And RISC OS software isn't exactly a disc hog.
> 
> Also documentation.  Particularly relevant is documentation of modern
> languages/libraries/etc... tutorials that appeared in Acorn User in 1993 are
> probably a little outdated now, as is the assumption that everyone starts by
> programming in BASIC.
> 
> > I'd even volunteer to help.
> 
> Well volunteered :)
> 
> Theo

Great! Have some time to spare during November, plenty in December I hope.
Perhaps Trevor "Wikiman" Johnson would like to chip in? He should now a
thing or two about this.

There's now a new thread on RISC OS in the R-Pi forum too:

http://tinyurl.com/3be6lv9

To quote the OP: "As Martin points out, this means that we again have 
a British-designed ARM-based educational computer running a 
British-designed fast, lightweight computer operating system written 
specifically for the ARM processor!"

-- patric

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2241

In article <9LA*R77Qt@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
   Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> That would be really useful.  As well as people working on actual
> hardware, there's a lot the RISC OS community can do in terms of getting a
> decent boot image together (eg ROOL's recent emulator image - which I
> haven't seen yet - but with a programming bent).  In these days of Live
> CDs and 'apt-get upgrade' people are used to having all the software
> installed from day one. And RISC OS software isn't exactly a disc hog.
>
> Also documentation.  Particularly relevant is documentation of modern
> languages/libraries/etc... tutorials that appeared in Acorn User in 1993
> are probably a little outdated now, as is the assumption that everyone
> starts by programming in BASIC.

For both the disc image and the documentation, I would ask that people come
to ROOL - discuss on our forums, draft stuff in our wiki, etc. - and let us
know if you have software you'd like including on our disc image.

  www.riscosopen.org

We're actively thinking (hard) about what needs to be done to RISC OS
initially and in the future, both for the RPi and for other platforms, to
ensure it moves forward rather than just sticking where it is now.

Ta,

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2243

On Nov 1, 12:59 pm, "Ste (news)" <st...@revi11.plus.com> wrote:

> For both the disc image and the documentation, I would ask that people come
> to ROOL - discuss on our forums, draft stuff in our wiki, etc. - and let us
> [snip]

I found this publisher recently
http://www.network-theory.co.uk/about.html
(coincidentally based in Bristol, but I have no connection with any
parties concerned).

So if our RO/Raspberry Pi documentation were to be published under a
free license, they'd print it. People could also presumably view a
(static) HTML version of the final copy, e.g.
http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/gccintro/
(Company needs checking out - could be a scam for all I know.)

So:
* Quotes required for printing - A5 b/w, what weight of paper?
24/48/72/96/120/144 sides, stapled/glued/stitched? - what other specs
do printers ask for?
* I'm happy to do this for Network Theory and competing publishers...
any recommendations? Or perhaps someone who's more clued up on
printing would be better placed to do this.
* Licensing? Do we want to encourage easy access to material by
educational establishments/students/parents? Free?

(I know this is all a little premature but IMHO should be discussed
early on.)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2245

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:03:01 -0700 (PDT)
trevj <trevj@cwazy.co.uk> wrote:

> On Nov 1, 12:59 pm, "Ste (news)" <st...@revi11.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> > For both the disc image and the documentation, I would ask that people come
> > to ROOL - discuss on our forums, draft stuff in our wiki, etc. - and let us
> > [snip]
> 
> I found this publisher recently
> http://www.network-theory.co.uk/about.html
> (coincidentally based in Bristol, but I have no connection with any
> parties concerned).
> 
> So if our RO/Raspberry Pi documentation were to be published under a
> free license, they'd print it. People could also presumably view a
> (static) HTML version of the final copy, e.g.
> http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/gccintro/
> (Company needs checking out - could be a scam for all I know.)
> 
> So:
> * Quotes required for printing - A5 b/w, what weight of paper?
> 24/48/72/96/120/144 sides, stapled/glued/stitched? - what other specs
> do printers ask for?
> * I'm happy to do this for Network Theory and competing publishers...
> any recommendations? Or perhaps someone who's more clued up on
> printing would be better placed to do this.
> * Licensing? Do we want to encourage easy access to material by
> educational establishments/students/parents? Free?
> 
> (I know this is all a little premature but IMHO should be discussed
> early on.)

Trevor I was thinking more along the lines of print on demand but
good point. It would be nice if documentation could be presented
in a more uniform style. Looks more professional than just wildly
copying stuff together. 
So we'd have to think about:

what's needed
what's there and could be included/edited/needs (partial) rewrite/update
what's missing

okay, over to ROOL forum

-- patric

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2254

On 01/11/2011 13:59, Ste (news) wrote:

> We're actively thinking (hard) about what needs to be done to RISC OS
> initially and in the future,

You probably won't want to hear this, but more modern video file support 
plus scripting and stuff to get "social networking" running. I'm looking 
at girls at work on break and they're using their fancy Androids and the 
like to... Facebook. Such a waste of processor cycles IMHO, but this 
rubbish is what people are increasingly using their hardware for.

For the more technical user, we need to look at RaspberryPi and its 
generic Linux that ought to cope with the likes of YouTube, eBay, and 
such with ease.
And RISC OS which... cannot. Yet?



On the other side of the coin, our programming abilities are still very 
'80s. It's like the entire "visual" revolution passed us by. That isn't 
such a bother to *me* for I have found simply Zap and the C compiler 
suite is one of the NICER programming setups I've used. Simple, 
powerful, and to the point.


How are we for Word/Excel/Powerpoint compatibility?

I don't think we need worry so much about DTP. OvationPro is pretty 
good, it'd be perfect if it supports Unicode under RISC OS (does it? my 
RO version is fairly old). In fact, in this day and age RISC OS probably 
ought to use Unicode fairly extensively in the desktop; this could help 
open it up to new markets. [seeing RISC OS in Japanese would be pure 
Rule Of Cool fodder, even if I couldn't read anything... ;-) ].

ArtWorks. Again, a decent vector drawing package.

There's a long history of Acorn in education, so there ought to be a 
catalogue of special needs and educational software available. This 
might help aim the RaspberryPi style devices into new markets?

Alternative input. How far can you get on RISC OS without a mouse? Would 
it be possible to control it with something akin to a SkyDigibox remote? 
These two may require a bit (lot?) of reworking to the Wimp to maintain 
a "context" of a highlighted icon/object. This, of course, is further 
off in the future stuff.


 > to ensure it moves forward rather than just sticking where it is now.

Fingers crossed!


Best wishes,

Rick.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2257

On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 20:57:03 +0100
Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 01/11/2011 13:59, Ste (news) wrote:
> 
> > We're actively thinking (hard) about what needs to be done to RISC OS
> > initially and in the future,
> 
> You probably won't want to hear this, but more modern video file support 
> plus scripting and stuff to get "social networking" running. I'm looking 
> at girls at work on break and they're using their fancy Androids and the 
> like to... Facebook. Such a waste of processor cycles IMHO, but this 
> rubbish is what people are increasingly using their hardware for.
> 
> For the more technical user, we need to look at RaspberryPi and its 
> generic Linux that ought to cope with the likes of YouTube, eBay, and 
> such with ease.
> And RISC OS which... cannot. Yet?
> 
> 
> 
> On the other side of the coin, our programming abilities are still very 
> '80s. It's like the entire "visual" revolution passed us by. That isn't 
> such a bother to *me* for I have found simply Zap and the C compiler 
> suite is one of the NICER programming setups I've used. Simple, 
> powerful, and to the point.
> 
> 
> How are we for Word/Excel/Powerpoint compatibility?
> 
> I don't think we need worry so much about DTP. OvationPro is pretty 
> good, it'd be perfect if it supports Unicode under RISC OS (does it? my 
> RO version is fairly old). In fact, in this day and age RISC OS probably 
> ought to use Unicode fairly extensively in the desktop; this could help 
> open it up to new markets. [seeing RISC OS in Japanese would be pure 
> Rule Of Cool fodder, even if I couldn't read anything... ;-) ].
> 
> ArtWorks. Again, a decent vector drawing package.
> 
> There's a long history of Acorn in education, so there ought to be a 
> catalogue of special needs and educational software available. This 
> might help aim the RaspberryPi style devices into new markets?
> 
> Alternative input. How far can you get on RISC OS without a mouse? Would 
> it be possible to control it with something akin to a SkyDigibox remote? 
> These two may require a bit (lot?) of reworking to the Wimp to maintain 
> a "context" of a highlighted icon/object. This, of course, is further 
> off in the future stuff.
> 
> 
>  > to ensure it moves forward rather than just sticking where it is now.
> 
> Fingers crossed!
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Rick.

Rick I'm all with you that we ultimately need to get some of this
working on RISC OS in the furture. That's not what the Raspberry Pi
is about though, not even under Linux. 
It's supposed to be a tool for teaching kids programming skills.
No fancy desktop, flash, social media. And that's precisely why this
could turn out a marriage made in heaven for us :)

Realistically they won't be programming the next *Diaspora or take on
Youtube but bit more than "Hello World" and VATcalc would be desirable.

I don't see the need for office applications as that's what has been 
criticised about ICT. Of course there's no need to throw them out,
we're not going to sell RISC OS that way however.

For serious programming (and a lot of other things) Linux wins hands
down. It's not so great in terms of general user friendliness though, 
which is where RISC OS comes in. The typical school teacher probably
won't be too happy about having to search the net for hours in his 
free time, browsing through forums and reading man pages. 
See where I'm coming from?
Finally: the R-Pi is said to run at a quarter of the BB's speed and
AFAIK everything excepct Angstrom isn't that great on the BB.
Ubuntu won't even run on the R-Pi as Canonical pulled the plug on
the ARMv6. The R-Pi community has been very welcoming towards RISC OS,
even though they made clear that they're not officially supporting us.
Since we've got our foot in the door it's time to back it up with
something. Sympathy and nostalgia alone won't get us anywhere.
 
-- patric

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2258

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:11:08 +0000
patric <patric@invalid.net> wrote:

> 
  The R-Pi community has been very welcoming towards RISC OS,
> even though they made clear that they're not officially supporting us.
> Since we've got our foot in the door it's time to back it up with
> something. Sympathy and nostalgia alone won't get us anywhere.
>  
> -- patric

Trevor, a few thought after having read your post on the R-Pi forum:
I'm not sure if bringing licensing issues up at this point is the
really the best strategy. While you're right that some thought should
obviously go into it we should take great care on how we communicate
this. Liz didn't seem to keen on contacting Castle in order to strike
a deal with them and I do see her point.
We should remember that our position isn't a strong one here and the
advantage of having "simple educational software" written in 
"BASIC [...] encouraging teachers and pupils to write their own progs",
sadly isn't all that convincing either.

I could be wrong but even though the R-Pi foundation is heading for the
educational market and I know they're well connected too, there 
seem to be some reservation on their side towards the non-techie
minded educational scene. There's a relative absence of topics regarding
this on the forums too. Again, this could well be misleading given the
nature of online discussions and the current state of the project.

"Licences", "BASIC" and "retired Schoolmasters" are a bit of a non-starter
really. All IMHO of course! Regarding a royalty-free RISC OS distro for 
educational use however: how about ROOL negotiating with Castle?
I simply don't see the R-Pi foundation being interested in taking action
here and as Liz pointed out there'd be more in it for Castle than for them 
and she'd rather expect them to call her.

Thoughts on this?
     
-- patric

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2261

In article <20111101224506.e9967318.patric@invalid.net>,
   patric <patric@invalid.net> wrote:
> "Licences", "BASIC" and "retired Schoolmasters" are a bit of a non-starter
> really. All IMHO of course! Regarding a royalty-free RISC OS distro for 
> educational use however: how about ROOL negotiating with Castle?

We're talking to Castle right now. We're also talking to people directly and
indirectly representing RPi. At the moment, it's about connecting people and
doing some thinking. We welcome all thoughts, ideally on the forums.

> I simply don't see the R-Pi foundation being interested in taking action
> here and as Liz pointed out there'd be more in it for Castle than for them 
> and she'd rather expect them to call her.

Who's Liz?

Thanks,

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2262

On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:58:40 +0000 (GMT)
"Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> wrote:

> In article <20111101224506.e9967318.patric@invalid.net>,
>    patric <patric@invalid.net> wrote:
> > "Licences", "BASIC" and "retired Schoolmasters" are a bit of a non-starter
> > really. All IMHO of course! Regarding a royalty-free RISC OS distro for 
> > educational use however: how about ROOL negotiating with Castle?
> 
> We're talking to Castle right now. We're also talking to people directly and
> indirectly representing RPi. At the moment, it's about connecting people and
> doing some thinking. We welcome all thoughts, ideally on the forums.
> 

See my post in the "Yet another RISC OS target" thread on ROOL forums.
Couldn't find a more appropriate thread, did I miss one?

> > I simply don't see the R-Pi foundation being interested in taking action
> > here and as Liz pointed out there'd be more in it for Castle than for them 
> > and she'd rather expect them to call her.
> 
> Who's Liz?
> 

Eben's wife, she handles the press and general public so you've
probably been speaking to her. 

-- patric

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2264

In article <522b8e6b18steve@revi11.plus.com>,
   Ste (news) <steve@revi11.plus.com> wrote:
> In article <20111101224506.e9967318.patric@invalid.net>,
>    patric <patric@invalid.net> wrote:
> > "Licences", "BASIC" and "retired Schoolmasters" are a bit of a
> > non-starter really. All IMHO of course! Regarding a royalty-free
> > RISC OS distro for educational use however: how about ROOL
> > negotiating with Castle?

> We're talking to Castle right now. We're also talking to people
> directly and indirectly representing RPi. At the moment, it's about
> connecting people and doing some thinking. We welcome all thoughts,
> ideally on the forums.

In The Times today, alongside the news that ARM has sold HP the idea
of using its chips "in their low-energy servers, posing a challenge to
Intel's dominance in the computer hardware market", it mentioned that
"the British company wants to popularise its chips . . for use in
personal computers and corporate services."

Since many people, like me, have small holdings of ARM shares (legacy
of our investing in Acorn) would it be an idea for a/some
shareholder(s) to suggest to the CEO of ARM that it would be a good
idea, not least for PR, to remember its roots and how they sparked
off a revolution in programming education, and mention these new
prospects? After all, it is the ubiquitous ARM chip that's being used.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding   riscos@mdharding.org.uk

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2268

On 02/11/2011 17:08, M Harding wrote:

> After all, it is the ubiquitous ARM chip that's being used.

Not to mention the bloke that recently slammed the British educational 
lack of programming (etc) was from Google - the same company whose 
Android platform is powering a fairly large number of smartphones, 
running on ARM processors.


As Patric says, we can't say "whoo, BASIC!" any more. It has benefits, 
sure, but I suspect learning on something like C (or C-like) would be 
more appropriate in this day and age.


Certainly [nostalgia filter = on] I remember that BASIC is a fairly sane 
language in which to code, while Pascal (taught at college) bends over 
backwards to protect you from yourself and enforce rules that don't 
always seem sane.
And then you are set loose on C, with its notorious confusion of 
pointers, with its "standard" lack of bounds checking, with happily 
reading/writing to uninitialised pointers (though, most useful compilers 
will pick this up these days)... to go from BASIC to C is like learning 
to ride a moped on country roads (BASIC), and then taking a big-ass 
motorbike on a motorway (C), and thinking it's the same sort of thing. 
Maybe security issues would be less prevalent had issues such as buffer 
overruns been lurking from the first time you set eyes on a programming 
language...


Best wishes,

Rick.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2271

On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:23:05 +0100
Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 02/11/2011 17:08, M Harding wrote:
> 
> > After all, it is the ubiquitous ARM chip that's being used.
> 
> Not to mention the bloke that recently slammed the British educational 
> lack of programming (etc) was from Google - the same company whose 
> Android platform is powering a fairly large number of smartphones, 
> running on ARM processors.
> 
> 
> As Patric says, we can't say "whoo, BASIC!" any more. It has benefits, 
> sure, but I suspect learning on something like C (or C-like) would be 
> more appropriate in this day and age.

I suggest we try to say "Whooo, Python" instead :)
Could python be ported to RISC OS? it would be a major achievement if it could.

P.S.
As soon as I saw the RP my first thought was 'embedded systems'.

-- 
Will J G

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2273

In article <20111102182236.2d2ed2c1@debian>, Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org>
wrote:
> > As Patric says, we can't say "whoo, BASIC!" any more. It has benefits,
> > sure, but I suspect learning on something like C (or C-like) would be
> > more appropriate in this day and age.

> I suggest we try to say "Whooo, Python" instead :) Could python be
> ported to RISC OS? it would be a major achievement if it could.

Python 2.3 is available on Risc_OS. Although it isn't by any means the
latest version it would be a very good introductory language.

-- 
David Wild using RISC OS on broadband
www.davidhwild.me.uk

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2274

On 2 Nov 2011, Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote:

[snip]

> Could python be ported to RISC OS? it would be a major achievement if
> it could.

Python 2.4.1 beta for RISC OS is available at
http://web.archive.org/web/20071223061900/http://python.acorn.de/

Tony

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2276

On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:33:51 GMT
Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 2 Nov 2011, Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Could python be ported to RISC OS? it would be a major achievement if
> > it could.
> 
> Python 2.4.1 beta for RISC OS is available at
> http://web.archive.org/web/20071223061900/http://python.acorn.de/
> 
> Tony

I see I'm out of touch ... again :(
Very impressive!

-- 
Will J G

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#2292

On 02/11/2011 19:22, Folderol wrote:

> As soon as I saw the RP my first thought was 'embedded systems'.

It looks like an initial batch is almost ready for sale. Though it's a 
bit worrying the price structure is "we don't know yet". Mmmm...?

Great to see Model A and Model B side by side. I'll have to hold off 
(can't afford a buy-one-give-one and would prefer a 2nd gen dequirked 
board (think of the RiscPC and initial audio, for an example)); but 
things are looking good!


Best wishes,

Rick.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 1 of 3  [1] 2 3  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | comp.sys.acorn.misc

csiph-web