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VRPC on a USB pen

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First post2011-10-29 16:33 +0100
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  VRPC on a USB pen druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> - 2011-10-29 16:33 +0100
    Re: VRPC on a USB pen David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2011-10-29 16:52 +0100
      Re: VRPC on a USB pen Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-10-29 18:12 +0100
      Re: VRPC on a USB pen patric <patric@invalid.net> - 2011-10-29 18:11 +0000
        Re: VRPC on a USB pen Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2011-10-30 22:25 +0000
          Re: VRPC on a USB pen Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2011-10-30 22:37 +0000
            Re: VRPC on a USB pen Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-10-31 01:00 +0000
          Re: VRPC on a USB pen Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2011-10-30 22:36 +0000
          Re: VRPC on a USB pen Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2011-10-31 18:53 +0000
            Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-10-31 20:09 +0100
              Re: VRPC on a USB pen fwibbler <thedoctor@thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk> - 2011-11-01 11:20 +0000
                Re: VRPC on a USB pen Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2011-11-01 12:02 +0000
                  Re: VRPC on a USB pen Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-01 12:31 +0000
                    Re: VRPC on a USB pen Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-11-01 15:52 +0100
                      Re: VRPC on a USB pen "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2011-11-01 18:12 +0000
                        Re: VRPC on a USB pen Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-01 22:14 +0000
                        Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-02 18:02 +0100
                          Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-02 18:04 +0100
                          Re: VRPC on a USB pen Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 22:08 +0000
                  Re: VRPC on a USB pen Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2011-11-01 12:54 +0000
                Re: VRPC on a USB pen Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-01 12:23 +0000
                  Re: VRPC on a USB pen fwibbler <thedoctor@thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk> - 2011-11-01 16:47 +0000
                Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-01 21:06 +0100
              Re: VRPC on a USB pen Michael Gerbracht <nospam@cityweb.de> - 2011-11-04 17:12 +0000
                Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-04 20:00 +0100
                  Re: VRPC on a USB pen Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-04 20:36 +0000
                    Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-05 06:20 +0100
                      Re: VRPC on a USB pen Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-05 06:24 +0000
                  Re: VRPC on a USB pen Michael Gerbracht <nospam@cityweb.de> - 2011-11-05 16:19 +0000
                    Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-05 17:54 +0100
                      Re: VRPC on a USB pen Michael Gerbracht <nospam@cityweb.de> - 2011-11-06 16:37 +0000
                        Re: VRPC on a USB pen Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-06 20:09 +0000
                          Re: VRPC on a USB pen Michael Gerbracht <nospam@cityweb.de> - 2011-11-13 10:51 +0000
                            Re: VRPC on a USB pen Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-11-19 10:12 +0000
                    Re: VRPC on a USB pen Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-05 21:44 +0000
                      Re: VRPC on a USB pen Dr Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-11-06 09:24 +0000
                        Re: VRPC on a USB pen Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-06 19:59 +0000
                          Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-07 04:04 +0100
                            Re: VRPC on a USB pen cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-11-07 10:04 +0000
                              Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-07 18:06 +0100
                              Re: VRPC on a USB pen Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-07 18:59 +0000
                                Re: VRPC on a USB pen SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2011-11-07 19:24 +0000
                                  Re: VRPC on a USB pen Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-07 21:25 +0000
                          SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2011-11-07 05:33 +0000
                            Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Dr Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-11-08 21:54 +0000
                              Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-08 22:11 +0000
                                Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2011-11-09 06:38 +0000
                              Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2011-11-09 06:20 +0000
                              Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2011-11-09 13:29 +0000
                                Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-09 16:34 +0100
                                  Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-09 16:59 +0000
                                    Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2011-11-09 19:40 +0000
                                      Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2011-11-09 21:45 +0000
                                Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Dr Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-11-09 14:56 +0000
                                Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> - 2011-11-09 20:32 +0000
                                  Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Dr Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-11-09 22:03 +0000
                                    Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-11-09 22:32 +0000
                                    Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2011-11-09 23:02 +0000
                                      Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-11-10 15:44 +0000
                                        Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2011-11-10 20:13 +0000
                                          Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-10 23:36 +0000
                                            Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 05:45 +0100
                                              Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-11-11 16:40 +0100
                                                Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-12 02:10 +0100
                                                  Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-12 07:48 +0000
                                                  Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-12 09:18 +0000
                                                  Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-11-12 11:44 +0100
                                          Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 09:32 +0000
                                            Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 12:22 +0000
                                              Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2011-11-13 13:30 +0000
                                                Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 01:20 +0000
                                              Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 22:11 +0100
                                                Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-11-14 19:08 +0100
                                                Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2011-11-14 19:25 +0000
                                        Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 05:38 +0100
                                    Re: SmartMenu - was: VRPC on a USB pen Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2011-11-12 13:31 +0000
                  Re: VRPC on a USB pen Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-06 12:56 +0000
            Re: VRPC on a USB pen Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-01 10:50 +0000
      Re: VRPC on a USB pen druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> - 2011-10-29 19:39 +0100
        Re: VRPC on a USB pen Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-10-29 20:24 +0100
    Re: VRPC on a USB pen Sion <s.cleaver@mail.com> - 2011-10-29 09:46 -0700
      Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-10-29 20:40 +0200
      Re: VRPC on a USB pen druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> - 2011-10-29 19:41 +0100
        Re: VRPC on a USB pen "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2011-10-30 21:49 +0000
    Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-10-29 20:26 +0200
      Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-10-29 20:47 +0200
        Re: VRPC on a USB pen Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-10-29 20:28 +0100
          Re: VRPC on a USB pen druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-10-29 23:40 +0100
            Re: VRPC on a USB pen Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-10-29 23:45 +0100
              Re: VRPC on a USB pen druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-10-30 00:00 +0100
                Re: VRPC on a USB pen Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-10-30 00:03 +0100
                Re: VRPC on a USB pen Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-10-30 06:38 +0000
        Re: VRPC on a USB pen Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-10-29 23:52 +0100
        Re: VRPC on a USB pen Andrew Hodgkinson <ahodgkin@rowing.org.uk> - 2011-10-31 17:22 +0000
          Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-10-31 20:12 +0100
          VRPC on a USB pen Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-10-31 21:21 +0000
            Re: VRPC on a USB pen Andrew Hodgkinson <ahodgkin@rowing.org.uk> - 2011-11-14 13:15 +0000
      Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-10-29 21:21 +0200
        Re: VRPC on a USB pen druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-10-29 23:52 +0100
          Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-10-31 00:07 +0100
            Re: VRPC on a USB pen Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-10-31 01:05 +0000
      Re: VRPC on a USB pen Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2011-10-31 18:48 +0000
        Re: VRPC on a USB pen Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-01 20:23 +0100

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#2165 — VRPC on a USB pen

Fromdruck <news@druck.freeuk.com>
Date2011-10-29 16:33 +0100
SubjectVRPC on a USB pen
Message-ID<639dd42952.druck@druck.freeuk.net>
I've just read on the show twitter feed that ROL are doing a RISC OS 
emulator on a USB pen - only 5 1/2 years after I suggested it.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.acorn.misc/msg/034dd4bc91e518b4?hl=en&dmode=source

In fact I'd been in touch with both ROL and Virtual Acorn long before 
that, and suggested the idea, even offering our security code which we 
used to lock our PC product to the unique serial number of the USB 
pen, and letting them know which manufacturers produced suitable pens.

Back then I would have found the ability to take a fully set up RISC 
OS system withanywhere I went to use on any PC I happened to be at 
extremely useful, as would a lot of other people including some non
Acorn owners. It's an idea which has since proved popular with Linux, 
being able to have your own custom OS setup on a pen, which leaves no 
trace on the PC after use.

Of ROL and VA weren't interested in the idea at all, preferring to 
stick with the excruciating process of installing VRPC from CD and 
having to phone up for licence keys. Something was mumbled something 
the RO licence not allowing it to be used on more than once machine, 
even if it was only one machine at time. But as with emulation in the 
first place, things aren't allowed until PM and AT suddenly decided 
they are.

I haven't bothered using VRPC in about 5 years, and I just don't need 
it now. All these years they've sat around watching RISC OS decline 
and resisting any ideas of their enhancing products, until it's just 
too bloody late to make any difference.

---druck

-- 
The ARM Club Free Software - http://www.armclub.org.uk/free/
32 bit Conversions Page    - http://www.armclub.org.uk/32bit/

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#2166

FromDavid Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk>
Date2011-10-29 16:52 +0100
Message-ID<b96dd62952.pittdj+@iyonix.home>
In reply to#2165
In message <639dd42952.druck@druck.freeuk.net>
  druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

> I've just read on the show twitter feed that ROL are doing a RISC OS
> emulator on a USB pen - only 5 1/2 years after I suggested it.

It is ROOL doing the pens.

> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.acorn.misc/msg/034dd4bc91e518b
> 4?hl=en&dmode=source

> In fact I'd been in touch with both ROL and Virtual Acorn long before
> that, and suggested the idea, even offering our security code which we
> used to lock our PC product to the unique serial number of the USB
> pen, and letting them know which manufacturers produced suitable pens.

> Back then I would have found the ability to take a fully set up RISC
> OS system withanywhere I went to use on any PC I happened to be at
> extremely useful, as would a lot of other people including some non
> Acorn owners. It's an idea which has since proved popular with Linux,
> being able to have your own custom OS setup on a pen, which leaves no
> trace on the PC after use.

> Of ROL and VA weren't interested in the idea at all, preferring to
> stick with the excruciating process of installing VRPC from CD and
> having to phone up for licence keys. Something was mumbled something
> the RO licence not allowing it to be used on more than once machine,
> even if it was only one machine at time. But as with emulation in the
> first place, things aren't allowed until PM and AT suddenly decided
> they are.

> I haven't bothered using VRPC in about 5 years, and I just don't need
> it now. All these years they've sat around watching RISC OS decline
> and resisting any ideas of their enhancing products, until it's just
> too bloody late to make any difference.

The open sourcing of OS5 is perhaps turning the tide. The comatose ROL 
and VA are just so yesterday.


-- 
David Pitt

MessengerPro 6 on an ARMini running RISC OS 5

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#2170

FromStuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Date2011-10-29 18:12 +0100
Message-ID<5229ddb8bcSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to#2166
In article <b96dd62952.pittdj+@iyonix.home>,
   David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> The open sourcing of OS5 is perhaps turning the tide. The comatose ROL 
> and VA are just so yesterday.

Do ROL even still exist?

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#2171

Frompatric <patric@invalid.net>
Date2011-10-29 18:11 +0000
Message-ID<20111029181135.babb600e.patric@invalid.net>
In reply to#2166
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:52:49 +0100
David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <639dd42952.druck@druck.freeuk.net>
>   druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> 
> > I've just read on the show twitter feed that ROL are doing a RISC OS
> > emulator on a USB pen - only 5 1/2 years after I suggested it.
> 
> It is ROOL doing the pens.
> 
> > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.acorn.misc/msg/034dd4bc91e518b
> > 4?hl=en&dmode=source
> 
> > In fact I'd been in touch with both ROL and Virtual Acorn long before
> > that, and suggested the idea, even offering our security code which we
> > used to lock our PC product to the unique serial number of the USB
> > pen, and letting them know which manufacturers produced suitable pens.
> 
> > Back then I would have found the ability to take a fully set up RISC
> > OS system withanywhere I went to use on any PC I happened to be at
> > extremely useful, as would a lot of other people including some non
> > Acorn owners. It's an idea which has since proved popular with Linux,
> > being able to have your own custom OS setup on a pen, which leaves no
> > trace on the PC after use.
> 
> > Of ROL and VA weren't interested in the idea at all, preferring to
> > stick with the excruciating process of installing VRPC from CD and
> > having to phone up for licence keys. Something was mumbled something
> > the RO licence not allowing it to be used on more than once machine,
> > even if it was only one machine at time. But as with emulation in the
> > first place, things aren't allowed until PM and AT suddenly decided
> > they are.
> 
> > I haven't bothered using VRPC in about 5 years, and I just don't need
> > it now. All these years they've sat around watching RISC OS decline
> > and resisting any ideas of their enhancing products, until it's just
> > too bloody late to make any difference.
> 
> The open sourcing of OS5 is perhaps turning the tide. The comatose ROL 
> and VA are just so yesterday.
> 

Didn't it say all that ROL decided not to show up? Wasn't too impressed
either by the fact that they seem to have been giving RComp a hard time
over licensing issues regarding the ARMini. 
Not saying ROOL's perfect but we've seen considerable progress thanks to 
both their work at opening the sources and encouraging development. 

-- patric

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#2210

FromSteve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Date2011-10-30 22:25 +0000
Message-ID<mpro.ltwgy90660jhc01iq.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
In reply to#2171
On 29 Oct, patric wrote in message
    <20111029181135.babb600e.patric@invalid.net>:

> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:52:49 +0100 David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > The open sourcing of OS5 is perhaps turning the tide. The comatose ROL
> > and VA are just so yesterday.
> 
> Didn't it say all that ROL decided not to show up?

They certainly weren't there, for whatever reason (and weren't at Kenilworth
in July, either).

The general buzz at the show this weekend really did seem to be RISC OS 5
and the Beagleboard/ARMini; wandering around and talking with punters,
RISC OS 6 and Select might as well have not existed.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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#2211

FromFolderol <folderol@ukfsn.org>
Date2011-10-30 22:37 +0000
Message-ID<20111030223720.0775f34a@debian>
In reply to#2210
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:25:23 +0000
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

> On 29 Oct, patric wrote in message
>     <20111029181135.babb600e.patric@invalid.net>:
> 
> > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:52:49 +0100 David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > The open sourcing of OS5 is perhaps turning the tide. The comatose ROL
> > > and VA are just so yesterday.
> > 
> > Didn't it say all that ROL decided not to show up?
> 
> They certainly weren't there, for whatever reason (and weren't at Kenilworth
> in July, either).
> 
> The general buzz at the show this weekend really did seem to be RISC OS 5
> and the Beagleboard/ARMini; wandering around and talking with punters,
> RISC OS 6 and Select might as well have not existed.
> 
Any news about the Raspberry Pi?

-- 
Will J G

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#2216

FromTheo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Date2011-10-31 01:00 +0000
Message-ID<+LA*qZ3Qt@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
In reply to#2211
Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> wrote:
> Any news about the Raspberry Pi?

Adrian Lees has a Raspberry Pi port of RISC OS, which boots to the desktop.

At the state he demoed at the show, which was his build of 5am that day,
there are some graphical issues to do with the way he hacked up pointer
support (RISC OS expects a hardware pointer, which Raspberry Pi doesn't
have) and SpriteExtend (which tries to self-assemble chunks of ARM code and
doesn't quite get it right) corrupting some sprites.

There is also no USB driver.  This means that there's no keyboard and no
mouse.  At the show he was using the debug serial port header, and a Windows
app to pass through keyboard and mouse movements from an attached netbook. 
There's no SD card (SDHCI) driver, so there's no storage either apart from
the RISC OS ROM.  The onboard ethernet is also connected to the USB port,
and supported by EtherUSB.  So when a USB driver is written the board should
become a lot more functional.  However this is a fairly large task.

Theo

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#2212

FromSteve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Date2011-10-30 22:36 +0000
Message-ID<mpro.ltwhh906ksqfk01iq.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
In reply to#2210
On 30 Oct, Steve Fryatt wrote in message
    <mpro.ltwgy90660jhc01iq.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>:

> The general buzz at the show this weekend really did seem to be RISC OS 5
> and the Beagleboard/ARMini; wandering around and talking with punters,
> RISC OS 6 and Select might as well have not existed.

Um.   And the Raspberry Pi, of course.

But in terms of what people are using on their desktops *now*, the normal
opening gambit at my stand on Saturday seemed to be along the lines of "I'm
using ... on a Beagleboard/ARMini and ...".  Thankfully, most feedback
seemed to be favourable. :-)

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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#2225

FromChris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk>
Date2011-10-31 18:53 +0000
Message-ID<3fa3ee2a52.chris@o2.co.uk>
In reply to#2210
In message <mpro.ltwgy90660jhc01iq.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
          Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

> On 29 Oct, patric wrote in message
>     <20111029181135.babb600e.patric@invalid.net>:

>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:52:49 +0100 David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> The open sourcing of OS5 is perhaps turning the tide. The comatose ROL
>>> and VA are just so yesterday.
>> 
>> Didn't it say all that ROL decided not to show up?

> They certainly weren't there, for whatever reason (and weren't at Kenilworth
> in July, either).

Paul Middleton has to pay the bills somehow and as I understand it has 
gone back to doing Lighting Contract work and ROL stuff inbetween, 
seems he was double booked for this weekend and the lighting contract 
paid more money.

Obviously I would not say I am happy about it all, I know some work 
has been done on ROL version of RISCOS, but I know there are personal 
issues for one of the main developers (which are a private matter) and 
had an impact. But I do wish they would communicate better.

> The general buzz at the show this weekend really did seem to be RISC OS 5
> and the Beagleboard/ARMini; wandering around and talking with punters,
> RISC OS 6 and Select might as well have not existed.

Well ARMini is good (I have one), but to me RO 5 takes me back 10 
years.

-- 
Chris Hughes

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#2227

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2011-10-31 20:09 +0100
Message-ID<4eaef265$0$18796$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
In reply to#2225
On 31/10/2011 19:53, Chris Hughes wrote:

> Well ARMini is good (I have one), but to me RO 5 takes me back 10
> years.

Well, RO5 is open source, so what ought to be done to advance your 
pointer by a decade? What additional functionality, or UI gloss, is RO5 
lacking? In what direction would you like the dangling carrot incentives 
for ROOL to move?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#2236

Fromfwibbler <thedoctor@thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk>
Date2011-11-01 11:20 +0000
Message-ID<gemini.ltzbhq0011wh302io.thedoctor@thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk>
In reply to#2227
Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 31/10/2011 19:53, Chris Hughes wrote:
> 
> > Well ARMini is good (I have one), but to me RO 5 takes me back 10
> > years.
> 
> Well, RO5 is open source, so what ought to be done to advance your 
> pointer by a decade? What additional functionality, or UI gloss, is RO5 
> lacking? In what direction would you like the dangling carrot incentives 
> for ROOL to move?
> 
A simple unobtrusive Re-cycle bin like the one in RO4.37 upwards or the one
in Windows 95 upwards.
(Or does RO5 now have one (it's been a while since I used it)?)
Cheers!

-- 
Graham
Website - http://www.thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk

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#2237

FromBob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
Date2011-11-01 12:02 +0000
Message-ID<522b4ce33cbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
In reply to#2236
> Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > On 31/10/2011 19:53, Chris Hughes wrote:
> > 
> > > Well ARMini is good (I have one), but to me RO 5 takes me back 10
> > > years.
> > 
> > Well, RO5 is open source, so what ought to be done to advance your
> > pointer by a decade? What additional functionality, or UI gloss, is
> > RO5 lacking? In what direction would you like the dangling carrot
> > incentives for ROOL to move?

RO4 and RO6 for me have given just two serious improvements. The first was
long file names from RO4 which I'm sure RO5 already has and the second is
the ability to set particular directories to list or display with
different layouts which are remembered. I think this is RO6 only but I
love it.

Bob.

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#2239

FromJess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com>
Date2011-11-01 12:31 +0000
Message-ID<477e4f2b52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
In reply to#2237
In message <522b4ce33cbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
          Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> RO4 and RO6 for me have given just two serious improvements. The first was
> long file names from RO4 which I'm sure RO5 already has and the second is
> the ability to set particular directories to list or display with
> different layouts which are remembered. I think this is RO6 only but I
> love it.

I miss select's image system and I'm pretty sure the internet stack 
was somewhat better (however, that may not be the case now). I did 
like the curved buttons too.

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#2242

FromMartin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date2011-11-01 15:52 +0100
Message-ID<466c5c2b52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to#2239
In message <477e4f2b52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
          Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In message <522b4ce33cbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
>           Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

>> RO4 and RO6 for me have given just two serious improvements. The first was
>> long file names from RO4 which I'm sure RO5 already has and the second is
>> the ability to set particular directories to list or display with
>> different layouts which are remembered. I think this is RO6 only but I
>> love it.

> I miss select's image system

What exactly do you mean by that?

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#2248

From"Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com>
Date2011-11-01 18:12 +0000
Message-ID<522b6ebe1csteve@revi11.plus.com>
In reply to#2242
In article <466c5c2b52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
   Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <477e4f2b52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
>           Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I miss select's image system
>
> What exactly do you mean by that?

Presumably ImageFileRender and the associated thumbnails in the Filer?

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

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#2259

FromJess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com>
Date2011-11-01 22:14 +0000
Message-ID<73e4842b52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
In reply to#2248
In message <522b6ebe1csteve@revi11.plus.com>
          "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> wrote:

> In article <466c5c2b52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
>    Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
>> In message <477e4f2b52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
>>           Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I miss select's image system
>>
>> What exactly do you mean by that?

> Presumably ImageFileRender

Yes.

> and the associated thumbnails in the Filer?

and not particularly.

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#2265

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2011-11-02 18:02 +0100
Message-ID<4eb177b7$0$30747$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
In reply to#2248
On 01/11/2011 19:12, Ste (news) wrote:

> Presumably ImageFileRender and the associated thumbnails in the Filer?

I have that on my RO3.7 machine with ProFiler (the next Filer+), I 
couldn't be without it!


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#2266

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2011-11-02 18:04 +0100
Message-ID<4eb1781d$0$30747$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
In reply to#2265
On 02/11/2011 18:02, Rick Murray wrote:

> I have that on my RO3.7 machine with ProFiler (the next Filer+), I
> couldn't be without it!

Whoops, FilerPro, not ProFiler. ;-)
   http://www.armware.dk/files/filerpro/


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#2279

FromJess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com>
Date2011-11-02 22:08 +0000
Message-ID<3922082c52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
In reply to#2265
In message <4eb177b7$0$30747$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 01/11/2011 19:12, Ste (news) wrote:

>> Presumably ImageFileRender and the associated thumbnails in the Filer?

> I have that on my RO3.7 machine with ProFiler (the next Filer+), I
> couldn't be without it!

That'd be thumbnailing, not ImageFileRender (which is why I'm not 
bothered about thumbnails, it can be added by a 3rd part utility (I'm 
happy enough to use variation, but thump is even better)

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#2240

FromSteve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Date2011-11-01 12:54 +0000
Message-ID<mpro.ltzfv407i1kuo01ld.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
In reply to#2237
On 1 Nov, Bob Latham wrote in message
    <522b4ce33cbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>:

> RO4 and RO6 for me have given just two serious improvements. The first was
> long file names from RO4 which I'm sure RO5 already has

Indeed it does, as it was added by Acorn AIUI.

> and the second is the ability to set particular directories to list or
> display with different layouts which are remembered. I think this is RO6
> only but I love it.

SmartOpenDir made this available to all other OSs many years ago, so RO5
users can access the facility that way.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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