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| Started by | davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> |
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| First post | 2012-02-03 01:19 -0800 |
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ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-03 01:19 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2012-02-04 22:05 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-07 20:03 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-02-07 20:22 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-07 21:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Graham Pickles <graham@durain.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 10:41 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-08 11:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 14:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-08 14:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:38 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 20:56 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 22:03 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-08 21:49 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 06:49 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-09 10:04 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 11:35 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Bob Seago <rjseago@gmail.com> - 2012-02-09 17:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 14:58 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 09:53 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 10:28 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:10 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:34 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-13 21:52 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-02-14 11:24 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:15 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:38 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 00:53 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 06:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 08:05 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:28 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 13:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-17 15:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-17 08:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:48 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-14 07:14 +0000
Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 20:54 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 23:37 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 11:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:10 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 00:47 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 11:04 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 00:00 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 12:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-02-17 16:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 17:06 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 19:04 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 14:17 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-02-18 04:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 09:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 10:21 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff workstuff@mail.com - 2012-02-18 14:11 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 16:03 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-02-18 17:28 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 15:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-26 23:35 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:44 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:46 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:54 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 08:18 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 02:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 07:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:34 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:59 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 09:15 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 09:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 10:38 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-02-28 11:05 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:14 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:07 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 19:33 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:13 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 05:44 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff ff <ff@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-02-29 10:41 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:37 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-29 22:24 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-01 02:12 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:14 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-08 14:34 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 05:04 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-01 08:43 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:44 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-28 18:53 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:09 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 13:11 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 14:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:19 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:39 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:08 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:02 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 22:58 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:06 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 16:15 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:45 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:19 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:36 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 01:25 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:18 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:26 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 21:40 +0000
Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 15:20 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:16 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:42 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 13:52 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:26 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 17:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 18:56 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 12:14 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 22:49 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-14 01:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-16 09:21 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-17 01:25 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-10 12:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 07:00 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 10:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 12:11 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 13:37 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-12 14:59 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:27 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:54 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Philip Draper <Philip@borehamh.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:18 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff OT T M Smith <thomas.smith57@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-12 17:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:11 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 15:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-02-19 13:38 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 14:02 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 16:47 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 21:43 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:07 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 22:55 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 23:16 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 00:03 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 02:16 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:25 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:06 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Bruce Goatly" <ss4@goatly.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:41 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 06:26 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 01:57 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-02-20 08:45 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 09:31 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-20 20:51 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:35 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-19 17:50 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:19 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:21 +0100
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 19:01 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-19 18:59 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 08:06 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 10:36 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 14:04 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 14:37 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 15:57 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff davehigton <davehigton14@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-09 03:20 -0800
Re: ARM embedded stuff Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-02-09 17:36 +0000
Re: ARM embedded stuff Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-02-20 13:37 +0000
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| From | Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-08 14:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <face456d52.jess@itworkshop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #3858 |
In message <almarsoft.734642679812265797@news.orange.fr>
Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> For what it is worth, we've stockpiled a bunch of tunsten bulbs. Call
> me whatever you want but there's an energy-saving bulb in the kitchen
> and one in my bedroom. Both switch on near-dark. They're old bulbs. I
> had a newer one,
You still think that CFLs are low energy? They are awful things and
outdated. Nasty if they get broken, still quite high energy use.
You want to get modern LED bulbs. 1/10 power of tungsten (as opposed
to about 1/4 for CFL) Really long life. Instant switch on. No
degradation from power cycling. The only downside is they need to be a
little creative to diffuse the light.
> but it gave out a horrible blueish light, I got rid
> of that after ten minutes.
That might be daylight. My whole house is lit by daylight bulbs.
Much nicer (when not mixed with tungsten temp lamps, of course.)
--
Jess Iyonix
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.6533912450297707920@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3850 |
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:24:53 GMT, Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > that the consequences are approximately zero. I think age is a factor as well. Young children might not want to play with pebbles that glow, while older people are a little hardier - we've done our growing. Hey, maybe lying on the Fukushima beach could be a chemo replacement... Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-01 05:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.7410912823135247360@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3855 |
On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 03:31:52 +0100, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I think age is a factor as well. Young children might not want to ...bizarre that this appeared twice, after being posted once. Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-03-01 08:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <52698ac039news@ned.uk.invalid> |
| In reply to | #3864 |
In article <almarsoft.7410912823135247360@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 03:31:52 +0100, Rick Murray > <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > I think age is a factor as well. Young children might not > > want to > ...bizarre that this appeared twice, after being posted > once. ..bizarre that it appeared at all as this is a computing newsgroup. -- besters Ned
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-03-01 03:31 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <almarsoft.6741062224532064132@news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #3850 |
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:24:53 GMT, Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > that the consequences are approximately zero. I think age is a factor as well. Young children might not want to play with pebbles that glow, while older people are a little hardier - we've done our growing. Hey, maybe lying on the Fukushima beach could be a chemo replacement... Best wishes, Rick.
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| From | Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 11:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <81a6936852.barrygray@virginmedia.com> |
| In reply to | #3784 |
In message <5268860019Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <526851b871alan_calder@o2.co.uk>,
> Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>> even some nuclear are all part of the mix we need to look at.
> Nuclear has to be the main source to handle the majority of our needs.
> It's the only reliable supply.
I agree completely, and have been saying so since before 1967. I can
date this exactly since that was the year I took my Scouts to the
Dungeness Atomic Power Station, and I had given them a talk on rising
CO2 levels and the importance of atomic energy before we went.
Barry
--
Barry Gray
http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled
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| From | SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 18:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <gemini.4f4d2290002ab79b095c%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> |
| In reply to | #3795 |
Barry Gray wrote: > Stuart wrote: >> Nuclear has to be the main source to handle the majority of our needs. > I agree completely, and have been saying so since before 1967. Who knows (and will admit) the full economic cost (including decommisioning) of nuclear power generation? The situation seems to be analogous to the banks - i.e. privateers take the profits and the public take the losses. -- Stewart Goldwater http://janusg.co.nr
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| From | Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 12:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <4eef956852.barrygray@virginmedia.com> |
| In reply to | #3774 |
In message <526851b871alan_calder@o2.co.uk>
Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com>,
> Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> The sensible way to use surplus energy, whether from nuclear power
>> stations or wind farms, would be to drive water desalination plants,
>> as the Russians are doing - unlike electricity water can be stored.
>> But that is a different matter.
> Indeed, water is not yet at such low level of availability to do such an
> energy inefficient thing!
Agreed that desalination uses vast amounts of energy. But whether we
go down the wind road or nuclear road there will be times when we
really do have vast amounts of /surplus/ energy. Thames Water have a
desalination plant which is standing idle because they cannot use it
without a drought order: from every point of view it would be better
to use surplus capacity from the wind farms in the area to power it
than to pay the wind farms to turn their turbines off.
> Surely a much better idea would be to look to methods of storing surplus
> energy? From pumped hydro to compressed air with maybe molten salts
> getting a look in?
> As for the 'no turbine turning anywhere in the UK' thing. Besides being an
> extremely rare occurrence, nobody is suggesting that wind power should be
> the only source for electricity in the UK. It's a red-herring!
> International links, tidal, wind, wave-power, PV at some point hopefully
> and, yes, even some nuclear are all part of the mix we need to look at.
> Alan
The problem with wind in the British Isles is that the British Isles
are smaller than the weather systems which bring us our weather: if
you look at the weather charts on your tv you will see that the whole
of the British Isles are often having the same weather. A proper risk
assessment is based upon "probability of event" measured against
"consequences of event". "No wind at all" is not very likely, but "no
power at all" would be catastrophic. We do need a good mix; many
people think that the present Government are putting far too many eggs
into the wind basket.
--
Barry Gray
http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 13:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <52689bac21Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3772 |
In article <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com>, Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > The sensible way to use surplus energy, whether from nuclear power > stations or wind farms, would be to drive water desalination plants, > as the Russians are doing - unlike electricity water can be stored. > But that is a different matter. It makes more sense to perform electronysis of water. The Hydrogen produced can be stored and used to produce energy when needed or for the much talked about Hydrogen fueled cars. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 14:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268a05af4charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3798 |
In article <52689bac21Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In article <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com>, > Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > The sensible way to use surplus energy, whether from nuclear power > > stations or wind farms, would be to drive water desalination plants, > > as the Russians are doing - unlike electricity water can be stored. > > But that is a different matter. > It makes more sense to perform electronysis of water. > The Hydrogen produced can be stored and used to produce energy when needed > or for the much talked about Hydrogen fueled cars. It might also be a better way of getting the "energy" to the mainland from the various island sites (Shetand, Lewis, etc). Put in in a boat. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 15:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268a76254alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3801 |
In article <5268a05af4charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In article <52689bac21Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart > <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > In article <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com>, Barry Gray > > <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > > The sensible way to use surplus energy, whether from nuclear power > > > stations or wind farms, would be to drive water desalination plants, > > > as the Russians are doing - unlike electricity water can be stored. > > > But that is a different matter. > > It makes more sense to perform electronysis of water. > > The Hydrogen produced can be stored and used to produce energy when > > needed or for the much talked about Hydrogen fueled cars. > It might also be a better way of getting the "energy" to the mainland > from the various island sites (Shetand, Lewis, etc). Put in in a boat. Hardly. Hydrogen is notoriously difficult stuff to contain and transport. In liquid form, the only sane way to do it, it has very low energy density so the boats are going to have to be pretty large just for starters. Then there's all the cryogenic equipment to think about just to keep the stuff chilled. Bulky and heavy on energy consumption so would probably consume a fair amount of the cargo on the trip. Liquid hydrogen is also hard to contain and will leak at the rate of around 1% a day so the trips had better be pretty short to the power station that is going to use it. Then there's the 'floating bomb' issue - can just see a liquid hydrogen tanker being welcomed with bunting and champagne into, say, Liverpool! All in all I'd reckon cables a much more efficient and cost effective method of getting power to the mainland. Keep the hydrogen on the Hebrides where it can be used to provide power in low wind conditions or maybe to power the local tractors and transport systems.! -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 16:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268aeb474Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3803 |
In article <5268a76254alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > Keep the hydrogen on the Hebrides where it can be used to provide power > in low wind conditions or maybe to power the local tractors and > transport systems.! The primary source is solar but...... http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/28/renewable-hydrogen-power-electricity-corsica?newsfeed=true Wind powered transport.... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/green-driving/news-and-notes/fuelling-the-winds-of-change-for-hydrogen-powered-cars/article2351778/ Of course if you use the Hydrogen to produce natural gas by reaction with Carbon Dioxide, transportation becomes a lot more viable http://www.electroiq.com/photovoltaics/2012/02/28/hypersolar-signs-agreement-with-top-university-for-research-and-development-nl-company-engages-unive.html -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 18:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268b6d767alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3805 |
In article <5268aeb474Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In article <5268a76254alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, > Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > > Keep the hydrogen on the Hebrides where it can be used to provide power > > in low wind conditions or maybe to power the local tractors and > > transport systems.! [Snip] > Of course if you use the Hydrogen to produce natural gas by reaction with > Carbon Dioxide, transportation becomes a lot more viable > http://www.electroiq.com/photovoltaics/2012/02/28/hypersolar-signs-agreement-with-top-university-for-research-and-development-nl-company-engages-unive.html Let's hope. No information from HyperSolar on how this really works, just lots of rather wooey stuff about nanoparticles emulating photosynthesis. Doesn't look like they've got a working prototype yet and this is a company that has a bit of a history of announcing world-beating innovations. Last year it was a special film to cover solar cells that boosted solar cells by 400%. Sometime since Feb 2011 they seem to have quietly abandoned that idea. I don't want to think that it's akin to the Rossi E-Cat scam but it may pay to be careful. Let's all cross our fingers. Mind you still doesn't get around the horrendous problems of storing and transporting hydrogen! Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 22:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268cc4121Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3803 |
In article <5268a76254alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > Liquid hydrogen is also hard to contain and will leak at the rate of > around 1% You line your tanks with Graphene. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 22:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268d15719alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3822 |
In article <5268cc4121Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In article <5268a76254alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, > Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > > Liquid hydrogen is also hard to contain and will leak at the rate of > > around 1% > You line your tanks with Graphene. Just remember to take the sellotape off first! Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 15:06 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268a62e10Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3798 |
In article <52689bac21Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> It makes more sense to perform electronysis of water.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ooops! Electrolysis
--
Stuart Winsor
Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 16:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268ac80e1dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3798 |
In article <52689bac21Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com>,
> Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > The sensible way to use surplus energy, whether from nuclear power
> > stations or wind farms, would be to drive water desalination plants,
> > as the Russians are doing - unlike electricity water can be stored.
> > But that is a different matter.
> It makes more sense to perform electronysis of water.
> The Hydrogen produced can be stored and used to produce energy when
> needed or for the much talked about Hydrogen fueled cars.
I believe it's becoming more easy to synthesise kerosine. That could be
used on most vehicles and heating systems with little modification.
--
*Why is a boxing ring square?
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 18:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268ba37c9alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3804 |
In article <5268ac80e1dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: > In article <52689bac21Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, > Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > In article <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com>, > > Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > > The sensible way to use surplus energy, whether from nuclear power > > > stations or wind farms, would be to drive water desalination plants, > > > as the Russians are doing - unlike electricity water can be stored. > > > But that is a different matter. > > It makes more sense to perform electronysis of water. > > The Hydrogen produced can be stored and used to produce energy when > > needed or for the much talked about Hydrogen fueled cars. > I believe it's becoming more easy to synthesise kerosine. That could be > used on most vehicles and heating systems with little modification. To make kerosene you would need a feedstock, naptha perhaps. Trouble is naptha isn't found naturally in the burns and lochs of Lewis! It's a product of petroleum oil, something else not in great supply in Lewis. If people in the Outer Hebrides are complaining about the setting up of a windfarm then just think how they'll feel about you setting up an oil terminal and refinery there as well. As for the idea that kerosene, aka in the UK as paraffin, can be used as a petrol substitute with little modification to engines, read on. Way back in 1966 a friend and I decided to drive to Poland - he was keen to study the development of socialism there, I just wanted to see the world. Teenagers, eh? We bought an old Ford van, with a 100E engine if I remember correctly. We did it up and had it all going nicely and then he read an article that said that the petrol companies had been pulling the wool over our eyes for decades and that cheap paraffin was just as good in car engines as the expensive petrol. So without telling me he bought a couple of gallons of Esso Blue and poured it into the van's tank and set off down the road. All well for a quarter of a mile whilst the petrol in the carb lasted and then - chug, chug, chuuugg and loads of black smoke out of the exhaust. He got halfway home before the van stopped and refused to proceed further. When I arrived we had to push it back - uphill, I could have slaughtered him. Off with the cylinder head, easy on an 100E, and a vision of soot that would have graced a Victorian chimney. We tried but in the time available, the trip being funded by his working elder sister, we couldn't get the van into Poland conquering condition. We went to Yugoslavia instead in another friend's Skoda Octavia, a car that could take on a T34 and win but that's a story for another day... -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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| From | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 20:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268c2dc44dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3807 |
In article <5268ba37c9alan_calder@o2.co.uk>,
Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> We bought an old Ford van, with a 100E engine if I remember correctly.
> We did it up and had it all going nicely and then he read an article
> that said that the petrol companies had been pulling the wool over our
> eyes for decades and that cheap paraffin was just as good in car engines
> as the expensive petrol. So without telling me he bought a couple of
> gallons of Esso Blue and poured it into the van's tank and set off down
> the road. All well for a quarter of a mile whilst the petrol in the
> carb lasted and then - chug, chug, chuuugg and loads of black smoke out
> of the exhaust. He got halfway home before the van stopped and refused
> to proceed further. When I arrived we had to push it back - uphill, I
> could have slaughtered him.
He must have been a town boy. Otherwise he'd have seen tractors which ran
on paraffin and realised they weren't a direct substitute. But your engine
could have been modified to run on it quite easily. As can a diesel.
--
*If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.*
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-28 21:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff |
| Message-ID | <5268c9d72dalan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #3814 |
In article <5268c2dc44dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: > In article <5268ba37c9alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder > <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > > We bought an old Ford van, with a 100E engine if I remember correctly. > > We did it up and had it all going nicely and then he read an article > > that said that the petrol companies had been pulling the wool over our > > eyes for decades and that cheap paraffin was just as good in car > > engines as the expensive petrol. So without telling me he bought a > > couple of gallons of Esso Blue and poured it into the van's tank and > > set off down the road. All well for a quarter of a mile whilst the > > petrol in the carb lasted and then - chug, chug, chuuugg and loads of > > black smoke out of the exhaust. He got halfway home before the van > > stopped and refused to proceed further. When I arrived we had to push > > it back - uphill, I could have slaughtered him. > He must have been a town boy. Otherwise he'd have seen tractors which > ran on paraffin and realised they weren't a direct substitute. But your > engine could have been modified to run on it quite easily. As can a > diesel. Hmm. We had an old Ferguson tractor on the farm in Scotland long ago. Well, we in the sense that my uncle and cousin did. Ran on TVO, effectively paraffin. Needed to be started on petrol and then switched to TVO as the TVO needed to be heated before it would vapourise sufficiently. You couldn't start the beast on TVO. I think that it would take more than a little bit of modification to get a 100E to run on paraffin. New inlet/exhaust manifolds for starters and then there is the minor detail of paraffin having an octane rating of zero. Diesels are a different matter and I quite believe that older Mercedes could be made to run on paraffin. Probably not very well but it would work. Perhaps my series one Citroen CX as well. Have doubts about how well it would work with the electronically controlled fuel supply of my 2001 C5 though! I'm not going to try. Anyway I note that 32 litres of paraffin currently goes for £52, £1.65 a litre so no savings there though the time may come... -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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