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  RO Pinboard problem Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-02-05 12:42 +0000
    RO Pinboard problem Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-02-05 16:13 +0000
      Re: RO Pinboard problem Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> - 2026-02-06 18:05 +0000
        Re: RO Pinboard problem Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-02-06 20:29 +0000
          Re: RO Pinboard problem druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-02-07 11:40 +0000
            Re: RO Pinboard problem Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> - 2026-02-07 12:01 +0000
            Re: RO Pinboard problem Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-02-07 15:54 +0000
              Re: RO Pinboard problem druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-02-11 00:34 +0000
                Re: RO Pinboard problem Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-02-11 09:11 +0000
                  Re: RO Pinboard problem Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> - 2026-02-11 09:38 +0000
                    Re: RO Pinboard problem Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-02-12 09:12 +0000
                    Re: RO Pinboard problem Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 18:31 +0000
                  Re: RO Pinboard problem druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-02-11 21:21 +0000
                    Re: RO Pinboard problem Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-02-11 21:43 +0000
                    Re: RO Pinboard problem Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 18:21 +0000
    Re: RO Pinboard problem Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> - 2026-02-06 10:11 +0100
      Re: RO Pinboard problem Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2026-02-06 12:15 +0000
        Re: RO Pinboard problem Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2026-02-06 13:10 +0000
          Re: RO Pinboard problem Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2026-02-06 15:09 +0000

#21792 — RO Pinboard problem

VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

I have a Pinboard problem and wondered what's going on.

I have a file called "BP2602" and a reference to it in the Pinboard
Tasks.Obey file.

"XPin HostFS::HardDisc4.$.filepathto.BP2602" plus co-ordinates on the
desktop.

But though it does present in the correct place on the pinboard/Desktop,
the name is now  "bp2602" not BP2602.

The file will still run okay when 2/clicked on the Pinboard, by why is the
system changing the name? (I need it to be specifically BP2602).

If I change the actual file name to Bp2602 then it display on the pinboard
as Bp2602.

Thanks
Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#21793

In article <5ca661bd9adave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

> I have a Pinboard problem and wondered what's going on.

> I have a file called "BP2602" and a reference to it in the Pinboard
> Tasks.Obey file.

> "XPin HostFS::HardDisc4.$.filepathto.BP2602" plus co-ordinates on the
> desktop.

> But though it does present in the correct place on the pinboard/Desktop,
> the name is now  "bp2602" not BP2602.

> The file will still run okay when 2/clicked on the Pinboard, by why is
> the system changing the name? (I need it to be specifically BP2602).

> If I change the actual file name to Bp2602 then it display on the
> pinboard as Bp2602.

> Thanks
> Dave

Done a bit more work on this... 

If there are no numerics in the file name it displays on the pinboard
okay, Eg: "BPForms".

With regard to my requirements, It'll only behave if I add a lower case
Alpha character after the BP thus:

"BPx2602"

Or a lower case Alpha character after the numerics thus:

"BP2602z"

What a load of ......

Thoughts...

Thanks
Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#21798

In message <5ca6750cf6dave@triffid.co.uk>
          Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <5ca661bd9adave@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>> VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

>> I have a Pinboard problem and wondered what's going on.

>> I have a file called "BP2602" and a reference to it in the Pinboard
>> Tasks.Obey file.

>> "XPin HostFS::HardDisc4.$.filepathto.BP2602" plus co-ordinates on the
>> desktop.

>> But though it does present in the correct place on the pinboard/Desktop,
>> the name is now  "bp2602" not BP2602.

>> The file will still run okay when 2/clicked on the Pinboard, by why is
>> the system changing the name? (I need it to be specifically BP2602).

>> If I change the actual file name to Bp2602 then it display on the
>> pinboard as Bp2602.

>> Thanks
>> Dave

> Done a bit more work on this...

> If there are no numerics in the file name it displays on the pinboard
> okay, Eg: "BPForms".

> With regard to my requirements, It'll only behave if I add a lower case
> Alpha character after the BP thus:

> "BPx2602"

> Or a lower case Alpha character after the numerics thus:

> "BP2602z"

> What a load of ......

> Thoughts...

Okay.  I have fired up my VRPC running 6.20 and I can replicate your 
issue.  I cannot replicated on my A9home running 4.42 due to not having 
the same options.

Issue on RO6 would appear to be due to the "Object name display" setting 
from within Configure-Pinboard-Interface.  Under "Object name display" 
there a setting: "Show all CAPS in lower case".  When ticked this shows 
the non numeric portion of the filename that are all in capitals as lower 
case: -

     BP2602 = bp2602
     BPx2602 = BPx2602 (this displays correctly because the non 
     numeric part of the filename is is mixture of cases and not all 
     uppercase
     BP6202z = BP6202z (works for same reason as above)

Hope this helps :)

-- 
Paul Stewart
Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42

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#21799

In article <353003a75c.Paul@phorefaux>,
   Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:
> In message <5ca6750cf6dave@triffid.co.uk>
>           Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <5ca661bd9adave@triffid.co.uk>,
> >    Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> >> VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

> >> I have a Pinboard problem and wondered what's going on.

> >> I have a file called "BP2602" and a reference to it in the Pinboard
> >> Tasks.Obey file.

[Snip]

> Okay.  I have fired up my VRPC running 6.20 and I can replicate your 
> issue.  I cannot replicated on my A9home running 4.42 due to not having 
> the same options.

> Issue on RO6 would appear to be due to the "Object name display" setting 
> from within Configure-Pinboard-Interface.  Under "Object name display" 
> there a setting: "Show all CAPS in lower case".  When ticked this shows 
> the non numeric portion of the filename that are all in capitals as
> lower case: -

>      BP2602 = bp2602
>      BPx2602 = BPx2602 (this displays correctly because the non 
>      numeric part of the filename is is mixture of cases and not all 
>      uppercase
>      BP6202z = BP6202z (works for same reason as above)

> Hope this helps :)

Paul,
Give that Man a score of Eleven out of Ten.  An absolutely wonderful catch.

That was indeed the problem, now fixed.

Much appreciated, thanks

Dave

Nb: Interestingly, many previous experiments showed it was a RISC OS 6.20
problem, and that it didn't happen on any RISC OS 4.39 installs I tested.

Nor even a RPCEmu and RISC OS 5.31.

Neither RISC OS 4.39 or RISC OS 5.3nn have that Pinboard configure option.

D.

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#21800

On 06/02/2026 20:29, Dave wrote:
> Nb: Interestingly, many previous experiments showed it was a RISC OS 6.20
> problem, and that it didn't happen on any RISC OS 4.39 installs I tested.
> 
> Nor even a RPCEmu and RISC OS 5.31.
> 
> Neither RISC OS 4.39 or RISC OS 5.3nn have that Pinboard configure option.

If people are reporting problems please give *important* details such as 
which OS and filing system you are using, and *note* that there is the 
built-in Pinboard and also Pinboard2.

---druck

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#21801

In message <10m78b0$10df6$1@druck.eternal-september.org>
          druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

> On 06/02/2026 20:29, Dave wrote:
>> Nb: Interestingly, many previous experiments showed it was a RISC OS 6.20
>> problem, and that it didn't happen on any RISC OS 4.39 installs I tested.
>> 
>> Nor even a RPCEmu and RISC OS 5.31.
>> 
>> Neither RISC OS 4.39 or RISC OS 5.3nn have that Pinboard configure option.

> If people are reporting problems please give *important* details such as
> which OS and filing system you are using, and *note* that there is the
> built-in Pinboard and also Pinboard2.

To be fair to Dave, he did state in his original post he was using VRPC 
with RISC OS 6.20, also in his example he did indicate the filing system 
was HostFS.

From the above details it wasn't too hard to understand which operating 
system, filing system or product he was using it on.

He posted enough information for his issue to be resolved.

-- 
Paul Stewart
Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42

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#21802

In article <10m78b0$10df6$1@druck.eternal-september.org>,
   druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 06/02/2026 20:29, Dave wrote:
> > Nb: Interestingly, many previous experiments showed it was a RISC OS
> > 6.20 problem, and that it didn't happen on any RISC OS 4.39 installs I
> > tested.
> > 
> > Nor even a RPCEmu and RISC OS 5.31.
> > 
> > Neither RISC OS 4.39 or RISC OS 5.3nn have that Pinboard configure
> > option.

> If people are reporting problems please give *important* details such as 
> which OS and filing system you are using, and *note* that there is the 
> built-in Pinboard and also Pinboard2.

> ---druck

Mnnn! Considering what my original posting contained, I'm not sure what I
could have added?

I didn't know of the existence of a Pinboard2... Guess that must be a RISC
OS 5.nn thing which I don't use.

Dave

<Q>

VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20
^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have a Pinboard problem and wondered what's going on.

I have a file called "BP2602" and a reference to it in the Pinboard
Tasks.Obey file.

"XPin HostFS::HardDisc4.$.filepathto.BP2602" plus co-ordinates on the desk.
^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

</Q>

D.

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#21803

On 07/02/2026 15:54, Dave wrote:
> In article <10m78b0$10df6$1@druck.eternal-september.org>,
>     druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
>> If people are reporting problems please give *important* details such as
>> which OS and filing system you are using, and *note* that there is the
>> built-in Pinboard and also Pinboard2.
> 
>> ---druck
> 
> Mnnn! Considering what my original posting contained, I'm not sure what I
> could have added?

Sorry must have come in halfway through the thread.

> I didn't know of the existence of a Pinboard2... Guess that must be a RISC
> OS 5.nn thing which I don't use.

Well at least you've learnt something!

---druck

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#21804

In article <10mgiqa$3ugv$1@druck.eternal-september.org>,
   druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 07/02/2026 15:54, Dave wrote:
> > In article <10m78b0$10df6$1@druck.eternal-september.org>,
> >     druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> >> If people are reporting problems please give *important* details such
> >> as which OS and filing system you are using, and *note* that there is
> >> the built-in Pinboard and also Pinboard2.
> > 
> >> ---druck
> > 
> > Mnnn! Considering what my original posting contained, I'm not sure
> > what I could have added?

> Sorry must have come in halfway through the thread.

> > I didn't know of the existence of a Pinboard2... Guess that must be a
> > RISC OS 5.nn thing which I don't use.

> Well at least you've learnt something!

> ---druck


Mmnn!
That poses another question or maybe two.  :-)

I have a test setup of RISC OS 5.31 (March 25) on a RPCEmu install)

What does Pinboard2 have that the bog standard RISC OS Pinboard doesn't
have?

Is Pinboard2 in all newer versions of RISC OS 5.3nn?

Thanks

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#21805

In article <5ca9656675dave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> Mmnn! That poses another question or maybe two.  :-)

> I have a test setup of RISC OS 5.31 (March 25) on a RPCEmu install)

> What does Pinboard2 have that the bog standard RISC OS Pinboard
> doesn't have?

> Is Pinboard2 in all newer versions of RISC OS 5.3nn?

See https://www.riscosdev.com/projects/pinboard-2/

-- 
Martin Avison 
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received. 

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#21808

In article <5ca967e7aaNews04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
   Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5ca9656675dave@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > Mmnn! That poses another question or maybe two.  :-)

> > I have a test setup of RISC OS 5.31 (March 25) on a RPCEmu install)

> > What does Pinboard2 have that the bog standard RISC OS Pinboard
> > doesn't have?

> > Is Pinboard2 in all newer versions of RISC OS 5.3nn?

> See https://www.riscosdev.com/projects/pinboard-2/

Thanks for the link Martin,

Looks interesting and I've downloaded it, and though I'm very busy ATM,
later when I'm done with a particular job I'm in the middle of, I'll try
it out on some of my Test RISC OS installs.

Regards
Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#21810

In message <5ca967e7aaNews04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>
          Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <5ca9656675dave@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

>> Mmnn! That poses another question or maybe two.  :-)

>> I have a test setup of RISC OS 5.31 (March 25) on a RPCEmu install)

>> What does Pinboard2 have that the bog standard RISC OS Pinboard
>> doesn't have?

>> Is Pinboard2 in all newer versions of RISC OS 5.3nn?

> See https://www.riscosdev.com/projects/pinboard-2/
Thanks for the above link Martin.
Looking at the site, I did not realise it worked with RISC OS versions, 
other than 5.  Have downloaded to test on my A9home.

Couple of points to note:

1. The supplied Install obey file, does not work, generated file not found 
error.  I believe this is due it looking for and not finding RO500Hook.

2. Can be installed by merging the !Boot, but the Pinboard 2 Configure app 
does did not load, this is due to it being supplied in RO500Hook.  Just 
manually moved it into RO440Hook, and then worked as expected.

Essentially the Install obey file could do with some improvements.

Following a reboot, it was up and running.  Just need to explore it now :)

-- 
Paul Stewart
Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42

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#21806

On 11/02/2026 09:11, Dave wrote:
> What does Pinboard2 have that the bog standard RISC OS Pinboard doesn't
> have?

I've only got it on my mini.m test machine, but it seems every time I 
VNC in to it I accidentally click on the pinboard and hide all the open 
windows. The only way I've found to unhide them is to use it's menu to 
hide and then restore. I looked for some configuration to turn this off, 
but didn't find any. The website doesn't have a link to documentation, 
as is standard for ROD products.

---druck

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#21807

In message <10mirso$uecd$1@druck.eternal-september.org>
          druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

> On 11/02/2026 09:11, Dave wrote:
>> What does Pinboard2 have that the bog standard RISC OS Pinboard doesn't
>> have?

> I've only got it on my mini.m test machine, but it seems every time I
> VNC in to it I accidentally click on the pinboard and hide all the open
> windows. The only way I've found to unhide them is to use it's menu to
> hide and then restore. I looked for some configuration to turn this off,
> but didn't find any. The website doesn't have a link to documentation,
> as is standard for ROD products.

Goto the Pinboard Configure setup via menu on the pinboard, then 
Miscellaneous section second option down sounds like what you are wanting 
unticked.

-- 
Chris Hughes

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#21809

In message <10mirso$uecd$1@druck.eternal-september.org>
          druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

> On 11/02/2026 09:11, Dave wrote:
>> What does Pinboard2 have that the bog standard RISC OS Pinboard doesn't
>> have?

> I've only got it on my mini.m test machine, but it seems every time I
> VNC in to it I accidentally click on the pinboard and hide all the open
> windows. The only way I've found to unhide them is to use it's menu to
> hide and then restore. I looked for some configuration to turn this off,
> but didn't find any. The website doesn't have a link to documentation,
> as is standard for ROD products.

The website itself may not have links to documentation, but the download 
contains a 55 page manual.

-- 
Paul Stewart
Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42

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#21794

In message <5ca661bd9adave@triffid.co.uk>
          Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

> I have a Pinboard problem and wondered what's going on.

> I have a file called "BP2602" and a reference to it in the Pinboard
> Tasks.Obey file.

> "XPin HostFS::HardDisc4.$.filepathto.BP2602" plus co-ordinates on the
> desktop.

> But though it does present in the correct place on the pinboard/Desktop,
> the name is now  "bp2602" not BP2602.

> The file will still run okay when 2/clicked on the Pinboard, by why is the
> system changing the name? (I need it to be specifically BP2602).

> If I change the actual file name to Bp2602 then it display on the pinboard
> as Bp2602.

> Thanks
> Dave

Hi,
If I create an "EXAMPLE" directory pinboard changes it to "Example". We 
can rename it but then Pinboard crashes...
When restarting, the name change was taken into account!!!

-- 
Jean-Michel

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#21795

In article <dc47d2a65c.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>, Jean-Michel
<jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:
> In message <5ca661bd9adave@triffid.co.uk> Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
>           wrote:

> Hi, If I create an "EXAMPLE" directory pinboard changes it to
> "Example". We can rename it but then Pinboard crashes... When
> restarting, the name change was taken into account!!!

So it does - crash occurs with a file or a directory. The new name is
reflected correctly on the SSD after a reboot. Looks like a bug. I
haven't gone through Dave's example but from what he's reporting is
this another bug?

Using Pinboard 2.07

Richard

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#21796

In message <5ca6e31981basura@invalid.addr.uk>
          Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

> In article <dc47d2a65c.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>, Jean-Michel
> <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:
>> In message <5ca661bd9adave@triffid.co.uk> Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
>>           wrote:

>> Hi, If I create an "EXAMPLE" directory pinboard changes it to
>> "Example". We can rename it but then Pinboard crashes... When
>> restarting, the name change was taken into account!!!

> So it does - crash occurs with a file or a directory. The new name is
> reflected correctly on the SSD after a reboot. Looks like a bug. I
> haven't gone through Dave's example but from what he's reporting is
> this another bug?

> Using Pinboard 2.07

I assume Richard you are using Pinboard 2 from ROD, whereas I think Dave 
is using the standard Pinboard from RISC OS 6.20.

Two completely different beasts


-- 
Chris Hughes

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#21797

In article <202be8a65c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
<news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <5ca6e31981basura@invalid.addr.uk> Richard Ashbery
>           <basura@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

> > In article <dc47d2a65c.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>, Jean-Michel
> > <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:
> >> In message <5ca661bd9adave@triffid.co.uk> Dave
> >>           <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> >> Hi, If I create an "EXAMPLE" directory pinboard changes it to
> >> "Example". We can rename it but then Pinboard crashes... When
> >> restarting, the name change was taken into account!!!

> > So it does - crash occurs with a file or a directory. The new
> > name is reflected correctly on the SSD after a reboot. Looks like
> > a bug. I haven't gone through Dave's example but from what he's
> > reporting is this another bug?

> > Using Pinboard 2.07

> I assume Richard you are using Pinboard 2 from ROD, whereas I think
> Dave is using the standard Pinboard from RISC OS 6.20.

That's correct Chris, Pinboard 2 from ROD, V2.07. 

> Two completely different beasts

I was actually replying to Jean-Michel's posting.


Richards

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