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  Where are they now? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2024-01-11 21:41 +0000
    Re: Where are they now? Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> - 2024-01-11 20:53 -0600
      Re: Where are they now? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2024-01-12 10:07 +0000
    Re: Where are they now? Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2024-01-12 08:31 +0000
      Re: Where are they now? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2024-01-12 10:14 +0000
      Re: Where are they now? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2024-01-12 13:00 +0000
        Re: Where are they now? Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2024-01-12 13:30 +0000
          Re: Where are they now? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2024-01-12 17:08 +0000
            Re: Where are they now? Sniffer <sniffer@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2024-01-12 17:44 +0000
              Re: Where are they now? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2024-01-12 19:53 +0000
              Re: Where are they now? Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2024-01-13 17:44 +0000
          Re: Where are they now? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2024-03-22 18:30 +0000
            Re: Where are they now? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2024-03-22 20:09 +0000
            Re: Where are they now? Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2024-03-23 00:33 +0000
              Re: Where are they now? Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2024-03-23 08:18 +0000
                Re: Where are they now? Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2024-03-25 15:50 +0000
            Re: Where are they now? Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2024-05-26 07:47 +0200
              Re: Where are they now? Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> - 2024-05-26 12:06 +0100
              Re: Where are they now? J Peachey <john@jpeachey.co.uk> - 2024-05-26 15:00 +0000
                Re: Where are they now? Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2024-06-01 08:53 +0200
              Re: Where are they now? Thomas Milius <Thomas-Milius@vodafonemail.de> - 2024-05-26 17:54 +0200
                Re: Where are they now? Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2024-06-01 09:05 +0200
                  Re: Where are they now? Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2024-08-15 07:45 +0200

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#21220 — Where are they now?

I don't know what made me think about this, but does anyone know what happened
to all the people working at Computer Concepts way back in the BBC B days?
I had Wordwise and and probably still have up in the attic!
I remember they went on to produce Impression for the Archimedes, but then
rather seemed to drop out of sight.

-- 
Basic

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#21221

On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:41:38 +0000
Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:

> I don't know what made me think about this, but does anyone know what
> happened to all the people working at Computer Concepts way back in
> the BBC B days? I had Wordwise and and probably still have up in the
> attic! I remember they went on to produce Impression for the
> Archimedes, but then rather seemed to drop out of sight.
> 

Why don't you drop them an email?

http://www.cconcepts.co.uk/docs/mail.htm

-- 
End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
telnet endofthelinebbs.com 23

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#21223

On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 20:53:11 -0600
Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:41:38 +0000
>Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> I don't know what made me think about this, but does anyone know what
>> happened to all the people working at Computer Concepts way back in
>> the BBC B days? I had Wordwise and and probably still have up in the
>> attic! I remember they went on to produce Impression for the
>> Archimedes, but then rather seemed to drop out of sight.
>>   
>
>Why don't you drop them an email?
>
>http://www.cconcepts.co.uk/docs/mail.htm
>
Hmmm. The most recent site update is 2001 - still at least they *do* give a
date, not many sites do that.

-- 
Basic

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#21222

In article <20240111214138.3e8cd141@devuan>,
   Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:
> I don't know what made me think about this, but does anyone know what
> happened to all the people working at Computer Concepts way back in the
> BBC B days? I had Wordwise and and probably still have up in the attic!
> I remember they went on to produce Impression for the Archimedes, but
> then rather seemed to drop out of sight.

Long time ago now, but IIRC. At the end of their RISC OS engagement, they
produced a graphics app for the Windows PC side of things, called Xara.

Then they sold the rights to Corel so it became Corel Xara.
Corel, who as usual didn't do much with it, and after a few years CC got
Xara back and did some more development work on it.

They are still at Gaddesden Place, and the Xara app I believe is
appreciated in Pro design circles.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#21224

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 08:31:42 +0000 (GMT)
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <20240111214138.3e8cd141@devuan>,
>   Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:
>> I don't know what made me think about this, but does anyone know what
>> happened to all the people working at Computer Concepts way back in the
>> BBC B days? I had Wordwise and and probably still have up in the attic!
>> I remember they went on to produce Impression for the Archimedes, but
>> then rather seemed to drop out of sight.  
>
>Long time ago now, but IIRC. At the end of their RISC OS engagement, they
>produced a graphics app for the Windows PC side of things, called Xara.
>
>Then they sold the rights to Corel so it became Corel Xara.
>Corel, who as usual didn't do much with it, and after a few years CC got
>Xara back and did some more development work on it.
>
>They are still at Gaddesden Place, and the Xara app I believe is
>appreciated in Pro design circles.
>
>Dave
>

I did have a vague memory of Xara. It seems it's become the tail that wagged
the dog :o

Interesting that they're still at Gaddesden place - that can't be a cheap
option!

-- 
Basic

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#21225

In article <5b217aa73adave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <20240111214138.3e8cd141@devuan>,
>    Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:
> > I don't know what made me think about this, but does anyone know what
> > happened to all the people working at Computer Concepts way back in the
> > BBC B days? I had Wordwise and and probably still have up in the attic!
> > I remember they went on to produce Impression for the Archimedes, but
> > then rather seemed to drop out of sight.

> Long time ago now, but IIRC. At the end of their RISC OS engagement, they
> produced a graphics app for the Windows PC side of things, called Xara.

> Then they sold the rights to Corel so it became Corel Xara.
> Corel, who as usual didn't do much with it, and after a few years CC got
> Xara back and did some more development work on it.

> They are still at Gaddesden Place, and the Xara app I believe is
> appreciated in Pro design circles.

Didn't Martin Würthner work for them?

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

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#21226

In message <5b2192a6aeSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
          Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <5b217aa73adave@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <20240111214138.3e8cd141@devuan>,
>>    Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:
>>> I don't know what made me think about this, but does anyone know what
>>> happened to all the people working at Computer Concepts way back in the
>>> BBC B days? I had Wordwise and and probably still have up in the attic!
>>> I remember they went on to produce Impression for the Archimedes, but
>>> then rather seemed to drop out of sight.

>> Long time ago now, but IIRC. At the end of their RISC OS engagement, they
>> produced a graphics app for the Windows PC side of things, called Xara.

>> Then they sold the rights to Corel so it became Corel Xara.
>> Corel, who as usual didn't do much with it, and after a few years CC got
>> Xara back and did some more development work on it.

>> They are still at Gaddesden Place, and the Xara app I believe is
>> appreciated in Pro design circles.

> Didn't Martin Wurthner work for them?

Yes he worked on Xara for sometime since it was based initially off 
Artworks. But left after awhile.



-- 
Chris Hughes

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#21227

In article <410796215b.chris@mytardis>,
   Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> > Didn't Martin Wurthner work for them?

> Yes he worked on Xara for sometime since it was based initially off 
> Artworks. But left after awhile.

Anyone know what he is up to now, I know he became a father, but nothing
on his web page since 2021

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

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#21228

On 12/01/2024 17:08, Stuart wrote:
> In article <410796215b.chris@mytardis>,
>     Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Didn't Martin Wurthner work for them?
> 
>> Yes he worked on Xara for sometime since it was based initially off
>> Artworks. But left after awhile.
> 
> Anyone know what he is up to now, I know he became a father, but nothing
> on his web page since 2021
> 

He's still maintaininig Artworks as far as I know.

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#21229

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 17:44:30 +0000
Sniffer <sniffer@dewberryfields.co.uk> wrote:

>On 12/01/2024 17:08, Stuart wrote:
>> In article <410796215b.chris@mytardis>,
>>     Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:  
>>>> Didn't Martin Wurthner work for them?  
>>   
>>> Yes he worked on Xara for sometime since it was based initially off
>>> Artworks. But left after awhile.  
>> 
>> Anyone know what he is up to now, I know he became a father, but nothing
>> on his web page since 2021
>>   
>
>He's still maintaininig Artworks as far as I know.
The only name I remembered was Charles Moir. I see he's still the boss.
I seem to remember there were about half a dozen there at first, but can't
remember any names.
I didn't know Martin had worked there. Somehow I've always thought of him as
being an independent developer.

-- 
Basic

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#21233

In article <unrtpu$3frht$1@dont-email.me>, Sniffer
<sniffer@dewberryfields.co.uk> wrote:
> On 12/01/2024 17:08, Stuart wrote:
> > In article <410796215b.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
> >     <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> Didn't Martin Wurthner work for them?
> > 
> >> Yes he worked on Xara for sometime since it was based initially
> >> off Artworks. But left after awhile.
> > 
> > Anyone know what he is up to now, I know he became a father, but
> > nothing on his web page since 2021
> > 

> He's still maintaininig Artworks as far as I know.

Are you sure? 

I always looked forward to the updates he produced but the last one
('Shape Pointer/Eraser' tool I think) was 2 years ago in November
2021. I wonder if he's still able to work on ArtWorks - sadly it won't
pay the bills incurred with a young family. It would be interesting to
know what he's doing.

I still enjoy using ArtWorks because of its simple tool sytem and
reliability. Does anyone remember Vantage - a fantastic bit of
software provided you weren't concerned about reliability. The
discovery of ArtWorks, after using Vantage was a revelation. I use
Xara Photo and Graphic Designer very infrequently but the learning
curve is long. 

Richard

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#21313

Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <5b2192a6aeSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
>           Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In article <5b217aa73adave@triffid.co.uk>,
> >    Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <20240111214138.3e8cd141@devuan>,
> >>    Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:
> > > > I don't know what made me think about this, but does anyone know
> > > > what happened to all the people working at Computer Concepts way
> > > > back in the BBC B days? I had Wordwise and and probably still have
> > > > up in the attic! I remember they went on to produce Impression for
> > > > the Archimedes, but then rather seemed to drop out of sight.
> 
> > > Long time ago now, but IIRC. At the end of their RISC OS engagement,
> > > they produced a graphics app for the Windows PC side of things, called
> > > Xara.
> 
> > > Then they sold the rights to Corel so it became Corel Xara. Corel, who
> > > as usual didn't do much with it, and after a few years CC got Xara
> > > back and did some more development work on it.
> 
> > > They are still at Gaddesden Place, and the Xara app I believe is
> > > appreciated in Pro design circles.
> 
> > Didn't Martin Wurthner work for them?
> 
> Yes he worked on Xara for sometime since it was based initially off
> Artworks. But left after awhile.

"a while" being 18 years. ;-) I stopped working for Xara two months ago. 

Sorry about jumping in so late, I found it increasingly hard to find a
reliable news server in recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a
while.

Martin
-- 
Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/

------- RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing --------

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#21314

On Fri, 22 Mar 24 18:30:04 UTC
Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

>Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <5b2192a6aeSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
>>           Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>   
>> > In article <5b217aa73adave@triffid.co.uk>,
>> >    Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:  
>> > > In article <20240111214138.3e8cd141@devuan>,
>> >>    Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:  
>> > > > I don't know what made me think about this, but does anyone know
>> > > > what happened to all the people working at Computer Concepts way
>> > > > back in the BBC B days? I had Wordwise and and probably still have
>> > > > up in the attic! I remember they went on to produce Impression for
>> > > > the Archimedes, but then rather seemed to drop out of sight.  
>>   
>> > > Long time ago now, but IIRC. At the end of their RISC OS engagement,
>> > > they produced a graphics app for the Windows PC side of things, called
>> > > Xara.  
>>   
>> > > Then they sold the rights to Corel so it became Corel Xara. Corel, who
>> > > as usual didn't do much with it, and after a few years CC got Xara
>> > > back and did some more development work on it.  
>>   
>> > > They are still at Gaddesden Place, and the Xara app I believe is
>> > > appreciated in Pro design circles.  
>>   
>> > Didn't Martin Wurthner work for them?  
>> 
>> Yes he worked on Xara for sometime since it was based initially off
>> Artworks. But left after awhile.  
>
>"a while" being 18 years. ;-) I stopped working for Xara two months ago. 
>
>Sorry about jumping in so late, I found it increasingly hard to find a
>reliable news server in recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a
>while.
>
>Martin

Good to hear from you. Would the reason you stopped be retirement by any chance?
(well into retirement myself)

-- 
Basic

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#21315

On 22 Mar, Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> I found it increasingly hard to find a reliable news server in recent
> years, so I gave up on news for quite a while.

http://news.individual.net - 10 Euros a year and has never let me down yet. They are based at Freie Universitat, Berlin, and offer a free two-week trial.
-- 
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
--------------------------------------------------------------
Windows has detected that the mouse has been moved.
You must restart Windows for the new setting to take effect...

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#21316

In article <f13adf455b.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>,
   Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Mar, Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> > I found it increasingly hard to find a reliable news server in recent
> > years, so I gave up on news for quite a while.

> http://news.individual.net - 10 Euros a year and has never let me down
> yet. They are based at Freie Universitat, Berlin, and offer a free 
> two-week trial.

I agree, I've been using nin for many, many years and they are very
reliable.

My second fiddle in the news department is...

http://news.eternal-september.org    

Which is free, but needs a registration, and on the whole resonably
reliable.


Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#21319

In article <5b4609c5f3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <f13adf455b.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>, Brian Howlett
>    <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
> > On 22 Mar, Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> > > I found it increasingly hard to find a reliable news server in
> > > recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a while.

> > http://news.individual.net - 10 Euros a year and has never let me
> > down yet. They are based at Freie Universitat, Berlin, and offer
> > a free two-week trial.

> I agree, I've been using nin for many, many years and they are very
> reliable.

Excellent service - never had any issues (hoping I'm not tempting
providence) - consistently reliable and at a price that hasn't changed
in years. If signing-up via RISC OS then a Javascript browser like
Iris will be necessary.

Richard

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#21392

In article <mpro.sarhtx002e66s7oko.spamtrap@mw-software.com>,
   Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> Sorry about jumping in so late, I found it increasingly hard to find a
> reliable news server in recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a
> while.

My dream is a computer club (or foundation?) which is running a news
server, an email server, a file server, a web server and so on for its
members and which is publishing a printed magazine (here in Germany with
the head line 'Datenblatt'), too, and whose aim is also to teach and
train their members (and non-members) how to use all these technologies,
independend of operating system and processor architecture.

It is unbelievable how weak is knowledge of people in that field where
we have computers everywhere today.

I'm using RISC OS for more then 30 years now and I will stick to it.
Under RISC OS you cannot do all and everything today, especially
belonging the web stuff, but you can do a lot often in a more simple and
transparent way and because of this you can learn there a lot of basics.

Today almost everything is so complicated and akwarded. RISC OS is here
often an expection. It is in the way I like.

A.

-- 
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/

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#21393

In article <5b66f17a09bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
   Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
> In article <mpro.sarhtx002e66s7oko.spamtrap@mw-software.com>,
>    Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> > Sorry about jumping in so late, I found it increasingly hard to find a
> > reliable news server in recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a
> > while.

> My dream is a computer club (or foundation?) which is running a news
> server, an email server, a file server, a web server and so on for its
> members and which is publishing a printed magazine (here in Germany with
> the head line 'Datenblatt'), too, and whose aim is also to teach and
> train their members (and non-members) how to use all these technologies,
> independend of operating system and processor architecture.

> It is unbelievable how weak is knowledge of people in that field where
> we have computers everywhere today.

> I'm using RISC OS for more then 30 years now and I will stick to it.
> Under RISC OS you cannot do all and everything today, especially
> belonging the web stuff, but you can do a lot often in a more simple and
> transparent way and because of this you can learn there a lot of basics.

> Today almost everything is so complicated and akwarded. RISC OS is here
> often an expection. It is in the way I like.

I agree with you sentiments entirely. I can do things so much more
quickly and efficiently with RIS OS.

-- 
Chris

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#21398

In message <5b66f17a09bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
          Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:

> In article <mpro.sarhtx002e66s7oko.spamtrap@mw-software.com>,
>    Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

>> Sorry about jumping in so late, I found it increasingly hard to find a
>> reliable news server in recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a
>> while.

> My dream is a computer club (or foundation?) which is running a news
> server, an email server, a file server, a web server and so on for its
> members and which is publishing a printed magazine (here in Germany with
> the head line 'Datenblatt'), too, and whose aim is also to teach and
> train their members (and non-members) how to use all these technologies,
> independend of operating system and processor architecture.

> It is unbelievable how weak is knowledge of people in that field where
> we have computers everywhere today.

> I'm using RISC OS for more then 30 years now and I will stick to it.
> Under RISC OS you cannot do all and everything today, especially
> belonging the web stuff, but you can do a lot often in a more simple and
> transparent way and because of this you can learn there a lot of basics.

> Today almost everything is so complicated and akwarded. RISC OS is here
> often an expection. It is in the way I like.

> A.

I also agree with you Alexander. I seem to have forgotten more than most 
people know about computers these days. Education seems to be about using 
the basic functions of Word/Excel, with little Knowledge about the 
workings. Perhaps we were lucky growing up with BBCs, Archimedes et al, 
where we could learn. I also miss the likes of Beebug/Risc User which 
helped you learn about the machines.

As to modern machines, most Windows stuff spends 90% of it's life 
continually updating installing stuff. Whereas RISC OS you turn the 
machine on knowing you can get on with the task in hand.

With Iris, I can now do a lot more web based stuff than in the past.

Kind regards
John

-- 
                          _________________________________________
                       |   University of Glos. Blighting Longlevens.
                       |   mailto:john@jpeachey.co.uk
_______________________|   http://www.jpeachey.co.uk

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#21403

In article <6f4f23675b.john@user.orpheusmail.co.uk>,
   J Peachey <john@jpeachey.co.uk> wrote:

> With Iris, I can now do a lot more web based stuff than in the past.

The web isn't fast and slim and in the way RISC OS is. It is often a
bumptious monster and digital overkill, a complicated chaos like Windows
is. It is not effective and in the simplest way it could be so why using
it?

A.

-- 
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/

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