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Printer

Started byDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
First post2012-02-27 20:58 +0000
Last post2012-03-01 12:46 +0000
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  Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 20:58 +0000
    Re: Printer John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-02-27 21:33 +0000
      Re: Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 21:55 +0000
        Re: Printer Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-27 22:25 +0000
          Re: Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 06:18 +0000
          Re: Printer Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:25 +0000
          Re: Printer Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-06 22:45 +0000
            Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 00:08 +0100
              Re: Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 06:04 +0000
              Re: Printer Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 09:56 +0000
                Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 13:11 +0100
                  Re: Printer Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 12:51 +0000
                    Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:48 +0100
                      Re: Printer M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 15:08 +0000
                        Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 18:26 +0100
                        Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 17:39 +0000
                        Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:59 +0100
        Re: Printer John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-02-27 22:35 +0000
          Re: Printer John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-02-27 22:43 +0000
        Re: Printer Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 22:45 +0000
        Re: Printer "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 13:38 +0000
          Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:32 +0100
        Re: Printer Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-28 21:39 +0000
          Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 23:01 +0000
            Re: Printer patric <patric@invalid.com> - 2012-02-29 03:14 +0100
              Re: Printer "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 10:20 +0000
                Re: Printer Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:15 +0000
                  Re: Printer probus <probus@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-02-29 13:01 +0000
                    Re: Printer John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 10:13 +0000
                  Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-01 01:51 +0100
                    Re: Printer Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-02 11:53 +0000
                Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:36 +0000
                  Re: Printer patric <patric@invalid.com> - 2012-02-29 13:05 +0100
                    Re: Printer Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-29 22:31 +0000
                      Re: Printer Patric@invalid.com - 2012-03-01 01:54 +0100
                        Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 08:04 +0000
                      Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-01 02:00 +0100
                      Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:41 +0100
                        Re: Printer Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> - 2012-03-01 07:32 +0000
                          Re: Printer Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-03-01 16:42 +0000
                            Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 23:44 +0100
              Re: Printer Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 10:40 +0000
              Re: Printer Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:29 +0000
                Re: Printer patric <patric@invalid.com> - 2012-02-29 13:35 +0100
                  Re: Printer Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 12:56 +0000
                    Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 14:06 +0000
                  Re: Printer Grahame Parish <maillist.parish@millers-way.net> - 2012-02-29 14:06 +0000
                  Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:58 +0100
                    Re: Printer Patric@invalid.com - 2012-03-01 12:52 +0100
              Re: Printer Mark Beerling <notvalid@online.de> - 2012-02-29 18:33 +0100
    Re: Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 21:39 +0000
      Re: Printer Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 00:13 +0000
      Re: Printer Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:47 +0000
        Re: Printer Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:56 +0000
        Re: Printer Grahame Parish <maillist.parish@millers-way.net> - 2012-02-28 13:10 +0000
          Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 19:49 +0000
            Re: Printer Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:12 +0000
            Re: Printer Grahame Parish <spamtrap@millers-way.net> - 2012-02-28 21:15 +0000
        Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:45 +0000
    Re: Printer Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 22:16 +0000
      Re: Printer Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:00 +0000
      Re: Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 06:06 +0000
        Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:30 +0100
      Re: Printer M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 10:20 +0000
    Re: Printer Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-28 20:59 +0000
    Re: Printer "Richard Torrens (News)" <News+15400@Torrens.org.uk> - 2012-03-01 08:29 +0000
      Re: Printer "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 09:35 +0000
        Re: Printer "Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-01 10:31 +0000
          Re: Printer "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 12:46 +0000

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#3763 — Printer

FromDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date2012-02-27 20:58 +0000
SubjectPrinter
Message-ID<52684284e2dave@triffid.co.uk>
We have an ancient (15 years old) HP LaserJet 5P (Parallel) which is
connected via a switch box to two SARPC computers (and a MS-Win) it is
methinks last legging it.
So...

What to get as a replacement.

1) It must be a HP Mono Laser printer?

We can research that for ourselves, but any suggestions would be
appreciated.

We quite like the HP 2055D

2) How to connect it to the SARPCs?

3) I assume the bog standard RO Printers 1.91a doesn't do USB?

4) I want my mummy...

Dave

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#3764

FromJohn Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk>
Date2012-02-27 21:33 +0000
Message-ID<mpro.m02mk900079eq04lo.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>
In reply to#3763
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:


> 1) It must be a HP Mono Laser printer?
> 
> We can research that for ourselves, but any suggestions would be
> appreciated.
> 
> We quite like the HP 2055D
> 
> 2) How to connect it to the SARPCs?
> 
> 3) I assume the bog standard RO Printers 1.91a doesn't do USB?
> 
> 4) I want my mummy...
> 
> Dave
> 

Get a network printer, Its what I use, or a usb/network printer server, no
direct connection needed all your machines can print to it.

John

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#3766

FromDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date2012-02-27 21:55 +0000
Message-ID<526847c9acdave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to#3764
In article <mpro.m02mk900079eq04lo.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>,
   John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> wrote:
> Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:


> > 1) It must be a HP Mono Laser printer?
> > 
> > We can research that for ourselves, but any suggestions would be
> > appreciated.
> > 
> > We quite like the HP 2055D
> > 
> > 2) How to connect it to the SARPCs?
> > 
> > 3) I assume the bog standard RO Printers 1.91a doesn't do USB?
> > 
> > 4) I want my mummy...
> > 
> > Dave
> > 

> Get a network printer, Its what I use, or a usb/network printer server,
> no direct connection needed all your machines can print to it.

> John

My later posting notes that's the way I'm leaning, and that is something I
did some years ago with the PCs. (Since discontinued for reasons...)

If I go this route there's no problem with the Win PCs, but what about the
RO machines... I know they'll be able to see the printer via
UniPrint/Server and the printers ip address, but will the bog standard RO
printers still work.

Or am I going to have to do something else?

Dave

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#3768

FromDave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>
Date2012-02-27 22:25 +0000
Message-ID<32864a6852.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>
In reply to#3766
In message <526847c9acdave@triffid.co.uk>
          Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <mpro.m02mk900079eq04lo.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>,
>    John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Get a network printer, Its what I use, or a usb/network printer server,
> > no direct connection needed all your machines can print to it.
> 
> > John
> 
> My later posting notes that's the way I'm leaning, and that is something I
> did some years ago with the PCs. (Since discontinued for reasons...)
> 
> If I go this route there's no problem with the Win PCs, but what about the
> RO machines... I know they'll be able to see the printer via
> UniPrint/Server and the printers ip address, but will the bog standard RO
> printers still work.
> 
> Or am I going to have to do something else?

It's pretty much a certainty that a network printer, or a networked
printer (i.e. a printer that doesn't have a built in network port,
but is connected to the network via a print server box) will be
accessible via the JetDirect protocol.  RISC OS has a JetDirect
module available from http://www.riscos.org/jetdirect/

It's what I'm using on the Iyonix.  In
Printers->Printer Control->Connection, use the "File" connection
with "JetDirectFS:<server>" where you replace <server> with either
the printer/print server's name (if it's in the Risc PC's Hosts
file) or its IP address.

Simples.

Dave

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#3780

FromDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date2012-02-28 06:18 +0000
Message-ID<526875d068dave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to#3768
In article <32864a6852.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>,
   Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> In message <526847c9acdave@triffid.co.uk>
>           Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

[Snippy]

> > 
> > Or am I going to have to do something else?

> It's pretty much a certainty that a network printer, or a networked
> printer (i.e. a printer that doesn't have a built in network port,
> but is connected to the network via a print server box) will be
> accessible via the JetDirect protocol.  RISC OS has a JetDirect
> module available from http://www.riscos.org/jetdirect/

> It's what I'm using on the Iyonix.  In
> Printers->Printer Control->Connection, use the "File" connection
> with "JetDirectFS:<server>" where you replace <server> with either
> the printer/print server's name (if it's in the Risc PC's Hosts
> file) or its IP address.

> Simples.
> Dave

Thank for that info Dave, most useful.

Cheers
Dave

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#3816

FromBrian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk>
Date2012-02-28 20:25 +0000
Message-ID<5268c36202bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to#3768
In article <32864a6852.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>, Dave Higton
<davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

[ ... ]

> much a certainty that a network printer, or a networked
> printer (i.e. a printer that doesn't have a built in network
> port, but is connected to the network via a print server box)
> will be accessible via the JetDirect protocol. RISC OS has a
> JetDirect module available from
> http://www.riscos.org/jetdirect/

> It's what I'm using on the Iyonix. ...

And it's what I use on my RiscPC.  If you stick to HP products
you will be able to find a suitable printer driver from the
standard Acorn-provided stuff for PCL5 or 6.  I also recommend
the PostScript3 driver and PrintPDF for printing high quality
PDFs via UniServer and and ,eg, Adobe Reader on one of your PCs.

I can also connect via the USB component of UNIpod ( I have sent
you a copy of an email I wrote to someone else about this).  This
can remain set u as a standby incase of network failure.

Brian.

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#4005

FromRussell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date2012-03-06 22:45 +0000
Message-ID<526c6b11a8see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to#3768
In article <32864a6852.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>, Dave
Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> It's pretty much a certainty that a network printer, or a
> networked printer (i.e. a printer that doesn't have a
> built in network port, but is connected to the network
> via a print server box) will be accessible via the
> JetDirect protocol.  RISC OS has a JetDirect module
> available from http://www.riscos.org/jetdirect/

Has something happened to this?

I have downloaded this a couple of times and always get an
"Invalid Zipfile header" error.

Or am I doing something wrong?

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#4006

FromMartin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date2012-03-07 00:08 +0100
Message-ID<0e296d6c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to#4005
In message <526c6b11a8see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
          Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> 
wrote:

> In article <32864a6852.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>, Dave
> Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

>> It's pretty much a certainty that a network printer, or a
>> networked printer (i.e. a printer that doesn't have a
>> built in network port, but is connected to the network
>> via a print server box) will be accessible via the
>> JetDirect protocol.  RISC OS has a JetDirect module
>> available from http://www.riscos.org/jetdirect/

> Has something happened to this?

> I have downloaded this a couple of times and always get an
> "Invalid Zipfile header" error.

Working fine here (both in SparkFS 1.41 and InfoZip 3.05), except that 
there are no filetypes. Check the length of the download: 48919 bytes.

> Or am I doing something wrong?

Maybe your browser corrupts it, or maybe there is a corrupted copy in 
a proxy somewhere.

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Martin
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        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#4008

FromDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date2012-03-07 06:04 +0000
Message-ID<526c933cfedave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to#4006
In article <0e296d6c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
   Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <526c6b11a8see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>           Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> 
> wrote:

> > In article <32864a6852.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>, Dave
> > Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> >> It's pretty much a certainty that a network printer, or a
> >> networked printer (i.e. a printer that doesn't have a
> >> built in network port, but is connected to the network
> >> via a print server box) will be accessible via the
> >> JetDirect protocol.  RISC OS has a JetDirect module
> >> available from http://www.riscos.org/jetdirect/

> > Has something happened to this?

> > I have downloaded this a couple of times and always get an
> > "Invalid Zipfile header" error.

> Working fine here (both in SparkFS 1.41 and InfoZip 3.05), except that 
> there are no filetypes. Check the length of the download: 48919 bytes.

Yes, that caught me out last week... Downloaded then as instructed put the
Dir., JetDirect into PreDesk... Re-booted and whoops!

As you say Martin, no filetypes, corrected that and all was okay.

[Snippy]

Dave

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#4012

FromRussell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date2012-03-07 09:56 +0000
Message-ID<526ca87321see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to#4006
In article <0e296d6c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin
Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <526c6b11a8see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>           Russell Hafter News
> <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> > In article <32864a6852.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>, Dave
> > Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> >> It's pretty much a certainty that a network printer,
> >> or a networked printer (i.e. a printer that doesn't
> >> have a built in network port, but is connected to the
> >> network via a print server box) will be accessible via
> >> the JetDirect protocol.  RISC OS has a JetDirect
> >> module available from http://www.riscos.org/jetdirect/

> > Has something happened to this?

> > I have downloaded this a couple of times and always get
> > an "Invalid Zipfile header" error.

> Working fine here (both in SparkFS 1.41 and InfoZip
> 3.05), except that there are no filetypes. Check the
> length of the download: 48919 bytes.

InfoZip worked fine. For some reason, Sparkplug did not.
Strange - I frequently have all sorts of problems with
Infozip (probably me, not the software) while Sparkplug has
always 'just worked'.

Thanks Martin, for the suggestion.

Thanks too, to Steve Fryatt for Locate, which found where I
had hidden Infozip.

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#4021

FromMartin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date2012-03-07 13:11 +0100
Message-ID<91ddb46c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to#4012
In message <526ca87321see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
          Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> 
wrote:

>>> I have downloaded this a couple of times and always get
>>> an "Invalid Zipfile header" error.

>> Working fine here (both in SparkFS 1.41 and InfoZip
>> 3.05), except that there are no filetypes. Check the
>> length of the download: 48919 bytes.

> InfoZip worked fine. For some reason, Sparkplug did not.
> Strange - I frequently have all sorts of problems with
> Infozip (probably me, not the software) while Sparkplug has
> always 'just worked'.

There are various known problems with previous versions of SparkPlug. 
Please check whether you have at least SparkPlug 2.26. Not sure how 
you get along without SparkFS, but even without it, I would use the 
free read-only SparkFS rather than SparkPlug any day, available from:
http://www.davidpilling.net/spark.html

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Martin
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#4023

FromRussell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date2012-03-07 12:51 +0000
Message-ID<526cb8777csee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to#4021
In article <91ddb46c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin
Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <526ca87321see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>           Russell Hafter News
> <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> >>> I have downloaded this a couple of times and always
> >>> get an "Invalid Zipfile header" error.

> >> Working fine here (both in SparkFS 1.41 and InfoZip
> >> 3.05), except that there are no filetypes. Check the
> >> length of the download: 48919 bytes.

> > InfoZip worked fine. For some reason, Sparkplug did
> > not. Strange - I frequently have all sorts of problems
> > with Infozip (probably me, not the software) while
> > Sparkplug has always 'just worked'.

> There are various known problems with previous versions
> of SparkPlug. Please check whether you have at least
> SparkPlug 2.26.

I have ver. 2.29, which has never given me any problems.

> Not sure how you get along without SparkFS, but even
> without it, I would use the free read-only SparkFS rather
> than SparkPlug any day, available from:
> http://www.davidpilling.net/spark.html

This was news to me. I have downloaded free ver 1.42 and
will see how it works. All I really need it for is opening
downloaded archives, nothing else.

As for paid for SparkFS, I am not sure what the advantages
might be, beyond being able to create archives with it.
Since I do that about once every three years (with Infozip)
I am not sure that that is worth the £25 it costs!

What else would I get for that £25 compared with the paid
version of Spark at £6 (which I also do not have)?

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#4033

FromMartin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date2012-03-07 15:48 +0100
Message-ID<5e3fc36c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to#4023
In message <526cb8777csee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
          Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> 
wrote:

> In article <91ddb46c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin
> Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

>> Not sure how you get along without SparkFS, but even
>> without it, I would use the free read-only SparkFS rather
>> than SparkPlug any day, available from:
>> http://www.davidpilling.net/spark.html

> This was news to me. I have downloaded free ver 1.42 and
> will see how it works. All I really need it for is opening
> downloaded archives, nothing else.

In that case, the read-only version will serve you well, in fact it is 
even better because it prevents you from accidentally changing 
archives.

> As for paid for SparkFS, I am not sure what the advantages
> might be, beyond being able to create archives with it.
> Since I do that about once every three years (with Infozip)
> I am not sure that that is worth the £25 it costs!

Not really. If you do not create archives more often, there is little 
point in the full version.

> What else would I get for that £25 compared with the paid
> version of Spark at £6 (which I also do not have)?

Spark is a thing of the past. It is a traditional packer/unpacker that 
requires you to drag files and directories out of the archive in order 
to use them. SparkFS is a filing system, so you can access the files 
in an archive like files in an ordinary directory on your hard disc, 
which is much more convenient.

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#4035

FromM Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk>
Date2012-03-07 15:08 +0000
Message-ID<526cc50f4eriscos@mdharding.org.uk>
In reply to#4033
In article <5e3fc36c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
   Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <526cb8777csee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>           Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> 
> wrote:

> > What else would I get for that £25 compared with the paid version
> > of Spark at £6 (which I also do not have)?

> Spark is a thing of the past. It is a traditional packer/unpacker
> that requires you to drag files and directories out of the archive
> in order to use them. SparkFS is a filing system, so you can
> access the files in an archive like files in an ordinary directory
> on your hard disc, which is much more convenient.

I hadn't realised that. Is SparkFS as dangerous to use, then, as the
!CFS I once used when HD size was in Megabytes?

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding   riscos@mdharding.org.uk

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#4040

FromMartin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date2012-03-07 18:26 +0100
Message-ID<d2b8d16c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to#4035
In message <526cc50f4eriscos@mdharding.org.uk>
          M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:

> In article <5e3fc36c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
>    Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
>> In message <526cb8777csee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>>           Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>> wrote:

>>> What else would I get for that £25 compared with the paid version
>>> of Spark at £6 (which I also do not have)?

>> Spark is a thing of the past. It is a traditional packer/unpacker
>> that requires you to drag files and directories out of the archive
>> in order to use them. SparkFS is a filing system, so you can
>> access the files in an archive like files in an ordinary directory
>> on your hard disc, which is much more convenient.

> I hadn't realised that. Is SparkFS as dangerous to use, then, as the
> !CFS I once used when HD size was in Megabytes?

You cannot compare these two. They have opposite approaches. !CFS 
operated on the files on your hard disc using an alternative filing 
system view, with all sorts of disadvantages and confusions. That has 
nothing to do with the way SparkFS works. SparkFS uses a RISC OS 
feature that did not exist when !CFS was written (a so-called image 
filing system). SparkFS operates inside archive files, e.g., Zip 
files. It makes a Zip archive file look like an ordinary directory to 
you and to programs, so things just work normally, even though inside 
the ZIP file, everything is compressed. This is totally transparent.

-- 
Martin
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#4043

FromChris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk>
Date2012-03-07 17:39 +0000
Message-ID<58d7d26c52.chris@o2.co.uk>
In reply to#4035
In message <526cc50f4eriscos@mdharding.org.uk>
          M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:

> In article <5e3fc36c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
>    Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
>> In message <526cb8777csee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>>           Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>> wrote:

>>> What else would I get for that £25 compared with the paid version
>>> of Spark at £6 (which I also do not have)?

>> Spark is a thing of the past. It is a traditional packer/unpacker
>> that requires you to drag files and directories out of the archive
>> in order to use them. SparkFS is a filing system, so you can
>> access the files in an archive like files in an ordinary directory
>> on your hard disc, which is much more convenient.

> I hadn't realised that. Is SparkFS as dangerous to use, then, as the
> !CFS I once used when HD size was in Megabytes?

No to the first part of your question I would have said and Hard 
drives are still in Megabytes!




-- 
Chris Hughes

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#4054

FromRick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-03-07 23:59 +0100
Message-ID<almarsoft.2767677421644022708@news.orange.fr>
In reply to#4035
On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:08:41 +0000 (GMT), M Harding 
<riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:

> Is SparkFS as dangerous to use, then,

Everything is dangerous if used incorrectly...


> as the !CFS I once used when HD size was in Megabytes?

You got that to work? I didn't like my harddisc, and by the time I 
got around to trying to find out what the problem was, I had realised 
that many applications were already compressed so it wouldn't provide 
much benefit in the long run...

SparkFS is much nicer to use as it looks and feels like a disc. It 
opens a regular filer window, you can do all the normal stuff without 
learning a new interface. I guess you could badly screw up something 
important, but that said RISC OS has no "undelete" so you could as 
easily delete an important file on your harddisc. I used to use 
SparkFS a lot before I had internet as it made a TAR file with decent 
permissions (WinZip choses rw------- instead of rw-r--r-- so anything 
uploaded to a server will result in an error as it doesn't have world 
read privileges) and the whole process was a draggy-droppy deal.

For some reason, my SMB service on my RiscPC crawls. It can max out 
the 10mbit bandwidth when transferring a file, however opening a full 
directory can take in the order of 30 seconds. I usually find data 
transfer to be quicker if I zip up everything into one file, then 
drop it on the root of a small partition. So, yeah, it's useful...


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3769

FromJohn Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk>
Date2012-02-27 22:35 +0000
Message-ID<mpro.m02pee002e2bx04lo.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>
In reply to#3766
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <mpro.m02mk900079eq04lo.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>,
>    John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> wrote:

> 
> > Get a network printer, Its what I use, or a usb/network printer server,
> > no direct connection needed all your machines can print to it.
> 
> > John
> 
> My later posting notes that's the way I'm leaning, and that is something I
> did some years ago with the PCs. (Since discontinued for reasons...)
> 
> If I go this route there's no problem with the Win PCs, but what about the
> RO machines... I know they'll be able to see the printer via
> UniPrint/Server and the printers ip address, but will the bog standard RO
> printers still work.
> 
> Or am I going to have to do something else?
> 
> Dave
> 
Never had a laser printer but I recall that most seem to use the same
language and there has been a driver for lasers for years.

John

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John Sandford
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#3770

FromJohn Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk>
Date2012-02-27 22:43 +0000
Message-ID<mpro.m02psx002p9x404lo.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>
In reply to#3769
John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> wrote:

 
> > Or am I going to have to do something else?
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
> Never had a laser printer but I recall that most seem to use the same
> language and there has been a driver for lasers for years.
> 
> John

Puts brain back in gear, Yes you will need to use something else, a network
driver, Ian Hamilton does one, very easy to use, or there's the one Dave has
just suggested.

John

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John Sandford
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#3771

FromStuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Date2012-02-27 22:45 +0000
Message-ID<52684c5ddfSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to#3766
In article <526847c9acdave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> If I go this route there's no problem with the Win PCs, but what about the
> RO machines... I know they'll be able to see the printer via
> UniPrint/Server and the printers ip address, but will the bog standard RO
> printers still work.

Well, I have the Dell on the network and a Canon S4500 on the parallel
port. I have two drivers for the Canon, the original supplied by Spacetech
and the Gutenprint one. All sit quite happily on the Icon bar, alongside
the PS2 driver required to generate PDF's from Techwriter, and I choose
which ever on I want to use.

I don't need Uniprint because the drivers supplied by CJE for the Dell
drive the printer directly.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

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