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  Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 20:25 +0000
    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-13 21:55 +0000
      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 22:21 +0000
        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-14 12:15 +1300
          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-14 10:50 +0100
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-14 10:07 +0000
              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-15 01:40 +1300
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 16:31 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-14 20:12 +0000
                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 22:08 +0000
                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-14 23:46 +0000
                      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-14 23:57 +0000
                        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-03-15 00:59 +0000
                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-15 12:44 +1300
                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 21:42 +0000
                      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 05:21 +0100
                        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-16 23:49 +1300
                          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 18:32 +0100
                            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-18 11:31 +1300
                              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 00:35 +0100
                                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-18 22:08 +1300
                              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-17 22:53 +0000
                                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 08:19 +0000
                              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 08:39 +0000
                                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-18 22:40 +1300
                                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-18 10:32 +0000
                                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Grahame Parish <spamtrap@millers-way.net> - 2012-03-18 12:10 +0000
                                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 10:24 +0000
                                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-20 01:00 +0000
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-14 16:55 +0000
      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 09:06 +0000
    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 23:29 +0000
    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-14 01:00 +0000
      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-14 14:39 +1300
      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 19:18 +0000
        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-15 00:57 +0000
          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-16 12:03 +1300
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 05:29 +0100
          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 10:29 +0000
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 15:41 +0000
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-19 16:52 +0000
          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-20 01:15 +0000
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-20 23:26 +1300
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:55 +0000
            Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 10:54 +0000
              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 11:57 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 13:16 +0000
              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 12:12 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Gransden <chrisg@care4free.net> - 2012-03-23 12:59 +0000
                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-23 18:13 +0100
                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 18:50 +0100
                      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-24 09:42 +0100
                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-23 17:53 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 13:18 +0000
                  Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 14:03 +0000
                    Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 14:38 +0000
                      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 15:52 +0100
                        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 11:43 +0000
                      Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 18:41 +0100
                        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 11:40 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-24 03:25 +1300
              Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 12:17 +0000
                Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-23 18:32 +0000
        Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 07:06 +0000
          Re: Exit desktop on Task Manager menu. Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:34 +0000

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#4365

In message <almarsoft.2307002416962051194@news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:31:36 +1300, Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> > It appears that 'Supervisor' doesn't necessarily mean anything other
> > than an ordinary command line.
> 
> That's about it, yes. I think it's a hangover from the 6502 machines.
> 
> 
> > There is a Wimp$State variable that is either Desktop or Commands,
> > indicating that leaving the Desktop on it's own and you still have
> > Wimp activity.
> 
> In a manner of speaking. The Wimp is still "there" but it is 
> inactive. Much like if you aren't currently riding a bike, the bike 
> doesn't cease being. The Wimp activity will restart upon returning to 
> the desktop environment.
> 
RMKilling the WindowManager module is a bit like having your bike
stolen (-:
A feat only possible on the RiscPc 5.19
I notice the TaskManager module only has desktop commands.
I hear what you are saying, desktop, windowmanager and others are
dependant on each other.
I'll have to read up the PRM's on it now I am primed.


> I think the Wimp$State is to be checked so you don't try to 
> initialise yourself as a Wimp task outside of the Wimp; but few 
> bother doing that as most people work in the ooooh-clicky! 
> environment anyway. ;-)
> 

Regarding TaskWindow, 5.19 has a new version which includes a
-nice <n> option to allocate timeslices.
I wonder what is dividing up the time unit, Taskmanager?

If there are vectors it may be possible to tap into this stuff,
otherwise maybe make replacement custom versions that sidelines
the desktop. All a bit out of my depth though.

Ron M. 

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#4358

In article <6ff8137252.beeb@ron1954.woosh.co.nz>,
   Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
> is that you can do a fast shutdown using CNTRL+SHIFT+F12.

I thought most users did it this way?

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#4363

On 17 Mar 2012  Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <6ff8137252.beeb@ron1954.woosh.co.nz>,
>    Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
>> is that you can do a fast shutdown using CNTRL+SHIFT+F12.

> I thought most users did it this way?

I (the OP) usually do it that way. Sometimes the click on the switcher 
is a bit more convenient, at least till I click on "Exit desktop" by 
mistake.

With best wishes,

Peter.

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and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
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#4364

In message <6ff8137252.beeb@ron1954.woosh.co.nz>
          Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> wrote:

> In message <almarsoft.5627869513376582171@news.orange.fr>
>           Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>>> I have found very little on *ShellCLI and that is why Steves alias
>>> caught my eye.
>> 
>> I think it is an internal mechanism to call the supervisor command
>> line within a desktop environment without it all going tits up.
>> 
>> 
>>> A bit of experimenting may reveal the answers to some of my
>> questions.
>> 
>> Me? I'd just look at the sources. ;-)
>> 

> http://acorn.riscos.com/riscos3/37/37DiscImage/Manuals/Manual/BOOK3B/B
> OOK3_2.HT

> Has an overview of the command line from the User manual.
> It appears that 'Supervisor' doesn't necessarily mean anything other
> than an ordinary command line.
> There is a Wimp$State variable that is either Desktop or Commands,
> indicating that leaving the Desktop on it's own and you still have
> Wimp activity.
> The Exit option leaves the Desktop and additionally closes any tasks,
> making it different to the F12 alternatives.
> I'm guessing Wimp activity is still there with the Wimp$State set
> to Commands.

> Anyway, for the OP, something new I have come across during this
> thread, is that you can do a fast shutdown using CNTRL+SHIFT+F12.

I have been using that option for years! Its in RISC OS 4, and 6 as 
well


-- 
Chris Hughes
Come to the Wakefield Show - 28th April 2012
http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk

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#4367

In message <0b9a4b7252.chris@o2.co.uk>
          Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> > Anyway, for the OP, something new I have come across during this
> > thread, is that you can do a fast shutdown using CNTRL+SHIFT+F12.
> 
> I have been using that option for years! Its in RISC OS 4, and 6 as 
> well
> 
> 
Does the switcher icon menu reflect that the hot key is 
CNTRL+SHIFT+F12?
THe Iyonix displays 
Task window ^F12
Shutdown    ^ F12   

I think the reason I unlearnt this hot key was because of the
practice of needing to reboot using the menu method.

!Macro comes with a command *F_Restart that can also do it.
I wonder if there is a *command for shutdown other than echoing
the hot key.

Ron M.

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#4373

In article <b640517252.beeb@ron1954.woosh.co.nz>,
   Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
> THe Iyonix displays 
> Task window ^F12
> Shutdown    ^ F12   
               ^ there is the SHIFT key in there

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#4376

In message <52725602aachrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net>
          Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <b640517252.beeb@ron1954.woosh.co.nz>,
>    Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
>> THe Iyonix displays
>> Task window ^F12
>> Shutdown    ^ F12
>                ^ there is the SHIFT key in there

Seeng it depends if your desktop font has the required character.

-- 
Grahame Parish
maillistDOTparishATmillersHYPHENwayDOTnet
Aylesbury, Bucks. HP19 (UK)

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#4424

In article <0b9a4b7252.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes
<URL:mailto:news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <6ff8137252.beeb@ron1954.woosh.co.nz>
>           Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> > In message <almarsoft.5627869513376582171@news.orange.fr>
> >           Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
 
> > Anyway, for the OP, something new I have come across during this
> > thread, is that you can do a fast shutdown using CNTRL+SHIFT+F12.
> 
> I have been using that option for years! Its in RISC OS 4, and 6 as 
> well

Been there since RISC OS 3.1.

The only time I use the menu option to shutdown instead. is on a computer
without a full keyboard, e.g. Acorn A4 or VRPC on a laptop.


Chris Evans

-- 
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#4459

>>> ... you can do a fast shutdown using CNTRL+SHIFT+F12.

>> I have been using that option for years! Its in RISC OS 4, and 6 as
>> well

Chris Evans  wrote on 19 Mar:
> Been there since RISC OS 3.1.

I think it was there in RiscOS 2 as well.  Anybody got an old machine 
or Welcome Guide to confirm?


-- 
Jim Nagel                        www.archivemag.co.uk

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#4288

In a mad moment - Paul Sprangers  mumbled :

> In article <46a7087052.beeb@ron1954.woosh.co.nz>,
>    Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> wrote:

>> Actually it looks a better option than using F12, as I often nudge
>> the F12 by mistake. Cntrl+F12 doesn't have the same problem,
>> maybe it is possible to map F12 to Cntrl+Shift+F12 to avoid this.

> There's a module that transposes F12 and Ctrl-F12.. Since it's only 207
> bytes large (shorter than the text of this mail), I dare to challenge the
> netiquette and attach it here.

> Put it into your !Boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks directory and enjoy the pleasure
> of invoking the much appreciated task window with a single press on F12.

Thank you Paul, thats a very handy keypress and much appreciated.

-- 
|)    [
|)ryn [vans            mail to - BrynEvans@bryork.freeuk.com

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#4276

On 13 Mar 2012  druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

> On 13/03/2012 20:25, Peter Young wrote:
>> Is there any remaining reason for having the Exit Desktop entry on the
>> Task manager menu?

> I'm sure someone somewhere uses it to drop out of the Wimp and run their
> old Arthur era software, such as GraphicWriter.

Thanks for this. Is this actually needed? Certain excellent people 
have written emulators.

>> I write as someone who occasionally clicks on this
>> by mistake instead of on Shutdown,

> You can get back in to the desktop with *desktop, then use shutdown so
> the Iyonix switches off.

As others have found, this never worked for me on the Iyo, and still 
doesn't work on the ARMini.

>>  resulting in an unusable screen.

> You need to *configure the MonitorType, Mode and Sync settings
> correctly. Try 5, 28 and 0

That's far too much like tiger country for an ignoramus like me.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
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and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
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#4267

Peter Young  wrote on 13 Mar:
> Is there any remaining reason for having the Exit Desktop entry on the
> Task manager menu?

Thought that disappeared a generation ago with RO3.  Doesn't exist on 
4.39 anyway.

-- 
Jim Nagel                        www.archivemag.co.uk

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#4268

In article <2b0bf96f52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
   Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> Is there any remaining reason for having the Exit Desktop entry on the 
> Task manager menu? I write as someone who occasionally clicks on this 
> by mistake instead of on Shutdown, resulting in an unusable screen.
> Just wondering ...

It's a bit of old cruft, if you ask me. Personally, I think the Task
Manager's (Switcher) menu doesn't need:

  *Commands
  Desktop settings
  Exit desktop

menu items at all. And the "New task" menu could be much improved to be a
more general launcher thingy, with command/file completion, etc.

Also, there should be a divider (line) above the Shutdown option to help
avoid accidental selection.

IMHO.

Ta,

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

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#4269

In message <5270123ac6steve@revi11.plus.com>
          "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> wrote:

> In article <2b0bf96f52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
>    Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > Is there any remaining reason for having the Exit Desktop entry on the 
> > Task manager menu? I write as someone who occasionally clicks on this 
> > by mistake instead of on Shutdown, resulting in an unusable screen.
> > Just wondering ...
> 
> It's a bit of old cruft, if you ask me. Personally, I think the Task
> Manager's (Switcher) menu doesn't need:
> 
>   *Commands
>   Desktop settings
>   Exit desktop
> 
> menu items at all. And the "New task" menu could be much improved to be a
> more general launcher thingy, with command/file completion, etc.
> 
> Also, there should be a divider (line) above the Shutdown option to help
> avoid accidental selection.
> 
> IMHO.
> 
> Ta,
> 
> Steve
> 
I cant understand why Desktop settings is still being used at all.
It is a known problem maker, and there are much better ways anyway.

Otherwise, the switcher icon menu seems to be about tasks, cli,
shutdown type things. Eg. you can shutdown a task or set system
wimpslot. The theme is "Engine room of your System" 
I think Program Launching should be inside perhaps an Apps menu.

Thanks  Ron M.
  

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#4293

Ste (news) wrote on 14 Mar:
> Personally, I think the Task Manager's (Switcher) menu doesn't need:
>     *Commands
>     Desktop settings
>     Exit desktop

The first one should stay because it carries the reminder about ^F12 
as its shortcut.  Isn't it a styleguide thing that everything should 
be on a menu somewhere, even it's available elsewhere?  (If not, it 
should be, for those what forget.)

Paul Sprangers' posting never arrived here.  I agree that bare F12 
taking you out of the desktop is a menace.  I remember being foxed by 
it when I first got my first Archimedes (how do you get back?  Only 
with hindsight was the "Return" key the obvious way to return) and 
I've seen other new users similarly foxed.

OS 4.39 has "Choices..." on the Task Manager menu, which is sensible 
-- equivalent to and more obvious than doubleclicking $.!Boot -- but 
it would be handy if Adjust-click on Task Manager did that.

In general, let's hope that the Task Manager menu is one little area 
where the two forks of RiscOS could converge easily enough.


-- 
Jim Nagel                        www.archivemag.co.uk

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#4299

In article <fdbd767052.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Ste (news) wrote on 14 Mar:
> > Personally, I think the Task Manager's (Switcher) menu doesn't need:
> >     *Commands
>
> The first one should stay because it carries the reminder about ^F12 
> as its shortcut.

Hang on, the first one I mentioned was "*Commands" which is the F12 action.
I personally don't like this at all and don't think it should exist. On my
machine, I have set this up in the boot sequence:

  Set Alias$ShellCLI TaskWindow GOS -name TaskWindow

but in the past I've had it set up to do nothing at all.

I agree that "Task window" (^F12) is worth keeping on the Switcher menu -
it's marginal because most users would rather never have to go near a task
window, but it is at least something I can see a reason for using.

Right now, there are nine Switcher menu items on this Iyonix and I reckon
there only need to be six there, maximum. And if "New task" isn't made a bit
more useful, I'd say ditch that, too. It's not like you can't achieve the
same thing from a TaskWindow using the StartDesktopTask command (and you
have things like line editor, drag-and-drop filename insertion and proper
copy-and-paste in a task window, too)...

I'd be surprised if anyone with an Iyonix or Beagleboard or similar 'new'
RISC OS platform could come up with a compelling justification for keeping
the "New task", "*Commands", "Desktop settings" or "Exit desktop" menu
items. They are anachronisms.

Again, all IMHO.

Thanks,

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

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#4330

In message <527095cedcsteve@revi11.plus.com>
          "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> wrote:

> In article <fdbd767052.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>,
>    Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> > Ste (news) wrote on 14 Mar:
> > > Personally, I think the Task Manager's (Switcher) menu doesn't need:
> > >     *Commands
> >
> > The first one should stay because it carries the reminder about ^F12 
> > as its shortcut.
> 
> Hang on, the first one I mentioned was "*Commands" which is the F12 action.
> I personally don't like this at all and don't think it should exist. On my
> machine, I have set this up in the boot sequence:
>
 
I guess NewTask has the same functionality as F12 also, but it has the same 
display characteristic of *Wimptask <command> or clicking on a binary.

>   Set Alias$ShellCLI TaskWindow GOS -name TaskWindow
> 
> but in the past I've had it set up to do nothing at all.
>

I'll have to investigate this sometime, On my Iyonix when I enter
*ShellCLI  the desktop slows down quite badly until I reboot.
It appears this alias would stop ShellCLI from being issued.
What is the story here?

 
> I agree that "Task window" (^F12) is worth keeping on the Switcher menu -
> it's marginal because most users would rather never have to go near a task
> window, but it is at least something I can see a reason for using.
> 
> Right now, there are nine Switcher menu items on this Iyonix and I reckon
> there only need to be six there, maximum. And if "New task" isn't made a bit
> more useful, I'd say ditch that, too. It's not like you can't achieve the
> same thing from a TaskWindow using the StartDesktopTask command (and you
> have things like line editor, drag-and-drop filename insertion and proper
> copy-and-paste in a task window, too)...
> 
> I'd be surprised if anyone with an Iyonix or Beagleboard or similar 'new'
> RISC OS platform could come up with a compelling justification for keeping
> the "New task", "*Commands", "Desktop settings" or "Exit desktop" menu
> items. They are anachronisms.
> 
> Again, all IMHO.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
>
 
I think Desktop Settings should go /immediately/ -before the new wave
of users drag up the same slow booting questions from previous years.

The argument for the others would depend on wether Exit Desktop can be
fixed, and as someone mentioned it may be necessary to provide a
mouse option as well as Hot keys for F12 ^F12 and *Wimptask.

Ron M.

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#4333

On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:03:32 +1300, Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> wrote:

> I think Desktop Settings should go /immediately/

Given that this was dead the moment the "new boot" arrived, why is it 
still kicking around?!?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4423

In article <527095cedcsteve@revi11.plus.com>, Ste (news)
<URL:mailto:steve@revi11.plus.com> wrote:
> In article <fdbd767052.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>,
>    Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> > Ste (news) wrote on 14 Mar:
> > > Personally, I think the Task Manager's (Switcher) menu doesn't need:
> > >     *Commands
> >
> > The first one should stay because it carries the reminder about ^F12 
> > as its shortcut.
> 
> Hang on, the first one I mentioned was "*Commands" which is the F12 action.
> I personally don't like this at all and don't think it should exist. On my
> machine, I have set this up in the boot sequence:
> 
>   Set Alias$ShellCLI TaskWindow GOS -name TaskWindow
> 
> but in the past I've had it set up to do nothing at all.
> 
> I agree that "Task window" (^F12) is worth keeping on the Switcher menu -
> it's marginal because most users would rather never have to go near a task
> window, but it is at least something I can see a reason for using.
> 
> Right now, there are nine Switcher menu items on this Iyonix and I reckon
> there only need to be six there, maximum. And if "New task" isn't made a bit
> more useful, I'd say ditch that, too. It's not like you can't achieve the
> same thing from a TaskWindow using the StartDesktopTask command (and you
> have things like line editor, drag-and-drop filename insertion and proper
> copy-and-paste in a task window, too)...
> 
> I'd be surprised if anyone with an Iyonix or Beagleboard or similar 'new'
> RISC OS platform could come up with a compelling justification for keeping
> the "New task", "*Commands", "Desktop settings" or "Exit desktop" menu
> items. They are anachronisms.

Using F12 rather than a TaskWindow does have the advantage that 'cursor
editing' works. e.g. you misstype a long command in and can then 'copy/edit'
the line easily.

Though I do admit I tend to use a task window as I can save out the results
rather than having to remember to *spool xyzfile

at the star prompt before I enter what I want.

Chris Evans

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#4439

On 19 Mar 2012, Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> Using F12 rather than a TaskWindow does have the advantage that
> 'cursor editing' works. e.g. you misstype a long command in and can
> then 'copy/edit' the line easily.

Using StrongED, you can copy/paste in a TaskWindow.

Tony

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