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The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!

Started byChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net>
First post2012-03-01 17:52 +0000
Last post2012-03-08 13:35 +0000
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  The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> - 2012-03-01 17:52 +0000
    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 17:57 +0000
      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> - 2012-03-01 18:10 +0000
    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-01 18:17 +0000
      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-01 22:20 +0000
        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Richard Torrens (News)" <News+15404@Torrens.org.uk> - 2012-03-05 12:42 +0000
          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 16:35 +0100
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-05 18:36 +0000
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 19:14 +0000
              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2012-03-06 09:26 +0000
                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-06 10:45 +0000
                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-03-06 15:19 +0000
                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-06 19:22 +0000
                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-06 20:45 +0100
                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-07 15:44 +0000
                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-06 17:13 +0000
                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! church <church@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-06 19:35 +0000
              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 09:11 +0000
                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 10:18 +0000
                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 09:48 +0000
                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 11:26 +0000
                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-09 12:23 +0000
                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 13:46 +0000
                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 15:37 +0000
                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 16:11 +0000
                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-09 18:01 +0000
                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 18:51 +0000
                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:40 +0000
                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-09 17:28 +0000
                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:13 +0000
                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 20:15 +0000
                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:28 +0000
                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 16:38 +0000
                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 09:05 +0000
                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 09:11 +0000
                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-10 10:46 +0000
                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 13:23 +0000
                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 13:29 +0000
                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 16:13 +0000
                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Wisnia at home <david@wisnia.net> - 2012-03-11 17:28 +0000
                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-11 18:25 +0000
                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Wisnia at home <david@wisnia.net> - 2012-03-11 23:25 +0000
                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-11 20:13 +0000
                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-12 20:55 +0000
                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Wisnia at home <david@wisnia.net> - 2012-03-12 22:35 +0000
                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:57 +0000
                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-13 10:21 +0000
                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 13:19 +0000
                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-14 18:13 +0000
                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 20:10 +0000
                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 21:30 +0000
                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 17:18 +0000
                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-15 08:42 +0000
                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:03 +0000
                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-18 10:04 +0000
                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 09:48 +0000
                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-10 10:54 +0000
                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 11:52 +0000
                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Graham Pickles <graham@durain.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 12:26 +0000
                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-10 13:03 +0000
                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Graham Pickles <graham@durain.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 13:26 +0000
                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 13:40 +0000
                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-10 16:23 +0000
                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-10 16:57 +0000
                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-10 17:48 +0000
                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-10 21:19 +0000
                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 22:44 +0000
                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 04:09 +0100
                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 06:52 +0000
                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 08:38 +0000
                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-11 10:35 +0000
                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-03-11 11:04 +0000
                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 18:37 +0000
                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-11 10:31 +0000
                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 18:34 +0000
                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-11 20:13 +0000
                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 21:18 +0000
                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 22:31 +0000
                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 08:23 +0000
                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:46 +0000
                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 17:15 +0000
                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 07:12 +0000
                                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 05:15 +0100
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 08:26 +0000
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 09:49 +0000
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-14 11:48 +0000
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-17 20:54 +0100
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-17 21:14 +0000
                                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-17 22:54 +0000
                                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 00:45 +0100
                                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-18 09:25 +0000
                                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 15:36 +0000
                                                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 16:52 +0100
                                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 16:40 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! (OT) "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 17:56 +0100
                                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 20:12 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! (OT) Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-18 21:05 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! (OT) Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-18 22:40 +0000
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 11:07 +0000
                                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 14:39 +0100
                                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-20 13:32 +0000
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 14:56 +0100
                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 05:09 +0100
                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 11:34 +0000
                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ollie Clark <usenet@ollieclark.com> - 2012-03-29 10:38 +0000
                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-29 11:52 +0100
                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-29 15:29 +0100
                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-29 21:50 +0200
                                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-30 08:53 +0100
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-30 17:57 +0200
                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-31 22:17 +0100
                                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-31 23:06 +0100
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-31 23:24 +0100
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-03-31 23:43 +0100
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-04-01 05:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-04 07:11 +0100
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-04-07 12:16 +0100
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-04-07 12:16 +0100
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-04-12 12:42 +0100
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-04-12 20:08 +0100
                                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-04-13 12:46 +0100
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-12 21:50 +0100
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-13 00:16 +0100
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-12 21:53 +0100
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-13 09:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-13 09:49 +0100
                                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-31 23:18 +0100
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-31 23:41 +0100
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-01 11:26 +0100
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-01 11:32 +0100
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-01 14:41 +0100
                                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-01 01:01 +0200
                                                                OT (Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-04-07 13:54 +0100
                                                                  OT (Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-07 20:16 +0200
                                                                    Re: OT (Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-04-07 19:50 +0100
                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-03-29 20:28 +0100
                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 21:02 +0000
                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 22:28 +0000
                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 22:54 +0000
                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 22:13 +0000
                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 22:36 +0000
                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 01:04 +0100
                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 08:27 +0000
                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:55 +0000
                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 17:30 +0000
                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 10:39 +0000
                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:08 +0000
                                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-21 22:27 +0000
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:07 +0100
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 10:34 +0000
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 16:34 +0000
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 20:03 +0000
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 21:12 +0000
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-23 10:53 +0000
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-23 11:35 +0000
                                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-23 12:49 +0000
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-23 11:07 +0000
                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 08:29 +0000
                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 00:53 +0100
                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 05:51 +0000
                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 05:07 +0100
                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:14 +0000
                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-21 20:23 +0100
                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-21 21:41 +0000
                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-21 22:34 +0000
                                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 07:19 +0000
                                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:47 +0000
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 16:41 +0000
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 20:48 +0000
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 22:11 +0100
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 22:26 +0000
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:57 +0100
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:38 +0000
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-22 18:12 +0000
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Jess Hampshire <jesshampshire@googlemail.com> - 2012-03-23 11:59 +0000
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-23 13:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-23 13:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:36 +0100
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2012-03-23 09:55 +0000
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-23 11:37 +0000
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-23 16:35 +0000
                                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 16:56 +0000
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 20:00 +0000
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 21:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-23 11:12 +0000
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 00:47 +0000
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 08:14 +0000
                                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-23 08:24 +0000
                                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> - 2012-03-23 15:48 +0000
                                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-03-23 21:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-23 22:26 +0000
                                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 11:56 +0000
                                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-03-24 16:54 +0000
                                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-25 00:13 +0000
                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 18:04 +0000
                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 05:08 +0100
                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 18:35 +0000
                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 19:19 +0000
                                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 21:23 +0000
                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:22 +0100
                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 00:49 +0000
                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 03:26 +0000
                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 06:01 +0000
                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 15:49 +0000
                                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 16:04 +0000
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 17:34 +0000
                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 10:45 +0000
                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 01:07 +0100
                                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 11:56 +0000
                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 18:20 +0000
                                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 09:44 +0000
                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 11:09 +0000
                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-14 12:59 +0000
                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-17 17:26 +0000
                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-17 20:05 +0000
                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-18 16:37 +0000
                                                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-18 18:29 +0000
                                                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-18 21:01 +0000
                                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-18 12:03 +0000
                                                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-18 13:55 +0000
                                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-17 20:57 +0100
                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 21:09 +0100
                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-11 15:13 +0000
                                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-13 10:28 +0000
                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:20 +0000
                            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 13:27 +0000
                              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-10 13:43 +0000
                                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 15:14 +0000
                                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-03-10 20:13 +0000
                                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 22:43 +0000
                                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-10 23:53 +0000
                                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-11 16:18 +0000
                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 17:40 +0000
          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Sprow <news@sprow.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 23:38 -0800
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-06 14:25 +0000
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-06 14:40 +0000
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-06 16:47 +0100
      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2012-03-02 00:35 +0000
        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-02 10:12 +0100
          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! T M Smith <thomas.smith57@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-02 20:14 +0000
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-02 23:27 +0000
              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! T M Smith <thomas.smith57@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-03 19:29 +0000
                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-03 21:37 +0100
                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-03 22:18 +0000
                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-03 22:37 +0000
                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-04 08:16 +0000
                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 13:15 +0000
                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! T M Smith <thomas.smith57@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-05 20:36 +0000
                          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-06 22:30 +0000
                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! T M Smith <thomas.smith57@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-03 22:26 +0000
                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-08 13:08 +0000
                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-09 01:58 +0100
                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-11 14:57 +0000
                        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 19:19 +0000
                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-03 20:37 +0000
                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-03 20:31 +0000
                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! T M Smith <thomas.smith57@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-03 22:25 +0000
                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-06 12:58 +0000
          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2012-03-03 17:27 +0000
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-03 20:07 +0100
              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2012-03-04 14:11 +0000
            Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2012-03-04 11:04 +0000
              Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-04 21:58 +0100
              Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2012-03-04 23:56 +0000
                Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 01:00 +0000
                Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-06 13:02 +0000
                  Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Dave Wisnia at home <david@wisnia.net> - 2012-03-06 15:52 +0000
                  Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 11:37 +0000
                    Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 12:11 +0000
                    Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> - 2012-03-16 03:37 +0000
                Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Robin Hounsome <robin@hounsome.org.uk> - 2012-03-06 16:34 +0000
                Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-06 19:27 +0000
              Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 09:27 +0000
                Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 13:05 +0000
                Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2012-03-07 18:47 +0000
                  Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 10:19 +0000
                    Re: Iyonix startup "Felicity S." <Flcty@rdsqurrl.com> - 2012-08-03 14:04 +0100
                      Re: Iyonix startup ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> - 2012-08-03 22:34 +0100
                Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!) Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 21:32 +0000
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-08 13:37 +0000
              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2012-03-09 11:42 +1300
        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-08 13:06 +0000
    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Rob Hemmings (news2)" <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 20:54 +0000
      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-01 23:44 +0100
        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2012-03-03 17:26 +0000
          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-03 23:35 +0100
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2012-03-04 14:09 +0000
              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-04 16:42 +0000
              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-04 19:04 +0000
    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-01 22:37 +0000
      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! C J Craig <Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-02 07:34 +0000
        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> - 2012-03-02 08:17 +0000
          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! C J Craig <Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-02 10:33 +0000
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> - 2012-03-02 10:50 +0000
              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-02 15:06 +0100
                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-02 15:09 +0000
              Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-02 13:24 +0000
                Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 09:27 +0000
                  Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 10:18 +0000
                    Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 21:06 +0000
                      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 10:10 +0000
      Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2012-03-03 17:24 +0000
        Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-03 20:01 +0100
          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-03 20:35 +0000
          Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-03-04 01:43 +0000
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-04 11:47 +0000
            Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18! Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-08 13:35 +0000

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#4263 — Re: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!)

FromHarriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk>
Date2012-03-13 21:32 +0000
SubjectRe: Iyonix startup (was Re: The good, the bad and the RO 5.18!)
Message-ID<0e2dff6f52.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>
In reply to#3948
On 5 Mar 2012 as I do recall,
          Jim Lesurf  wrote:

> In article <8a3a236b52.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley
> <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > It's been suggested that this well-known issue is actually a power
> > supply problem due to the computer's not drawing enough power to
> > convince the PC power supply that the CPU actually exists! (as I
> > understand it)
>
> I've seen this 'reason' advanced many times. Both of the Iyonix machines we
> have sometimes give a 'black screen' failure to bootup.
>
> However by experiment I found that simply changing around which USB ports
> were used for external devices markedly altered how often this happened.
> The same devices were connected.

I tried switching over my mouse and keyboard connectors (front->back).
I had a succession of trouble-free start-ups (and some with coloured
snow only halfway up the screen, which doesn't seem to affect boot-up)
but have now had two more failures, so I'm not sure if it was
coincidence or not.   :-(

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

The attacker must vanquish; the defender need only survive.

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#4072

FromJess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com>
Date2012-03-08 13:37 +0000
Message-ID<0e90406d52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
In reply to#3908
In message <fIxm7.2485$lk6.889689@orpheusnews>
          "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> wrote:

> Perhaps I should've elaborated - starts up with something actually being
> shown on the screen. This works on average about one time in three.

Mine was sometimes that bad, sometimes it worked fine for weeks.

It hasn't had this problem since the new graphics card.


-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#4089

FromRon <beeb@woosh.co.nz>
Date2012-03-09 11:42 +1300
Message-ID<f478726d52.beeb@ron1954.woosh.co.nz>
In reply to#4072
In message <0e90406d52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
          Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In message <fIxm7.2485$lk6.889689@orpheusnews>
>           "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps I should've elaborated - starts up with something actually being
> > shown on the screen. This works on average about one time in three.
> 
> Mine was sometimes that bad, sometimes it worked fine for weeks.
> 
> It hasn't had this problem since the new graphics card.
> 
>
 
This used one on Ebay looks identical to two that I have bought that boot
properly. It is rebadged as PNY and has a fan. They are Palit cards, mine
never came with fans.  They are easily recognizeable by the purple
circuit board also.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-VCGFX52PPB-GeForce-FX-5200-128MB-DDR-PCI-Video-Card-/120830960839?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item1c221624c7

(one line)

Ron M.

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#4070

FromJess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com>
Date2012-03-08 13:06 +0000
Message-ID<09b93d6d52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
In reply to#3890
In message <fIxm7.2485$lk6.889686@orpheusnews>
          "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> wrote:

> Does installing 5.18 mean that the Iyonix will actually start up every
> time it's switched on?

Mine used to be like that.

I replaced the graphics card and that problem is solved.

I notice a far longer pause before it initializes, so I wonder if the 
graphics card holds a reset line down (or similar) until it's ready, 
and the old one failed to do that correctly.

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#3884

From"Rob Hemmings (news2)" <robnews@rgvk.co.uk>
Date2012-03-01 20:54 +0000
Message-ID<5269cdbdfcrobnews@rgvk.co.uk>
In reply to#3879
In article <8e12bd6952.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>,
   ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

<Snip>

> I see that RO 5.18 is available for free to update my Iyonix. This is 
> good news so I go to the website and find 2 versions.

<Snip>

While we are talking about 5.18 can anyone summarise what the significant
changes are?  I have been to the ROOL web page and i have read all the
way through the change log but had trouble knowing what the actual impact
of most of the changes would be.  Is it all bug fixes or are there any
significant new features?

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------- 
 Rob Hemmings                        Southport       
 
 robnews@rgvk.co.uk                

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#3887

FromMartin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date2012-03-01 23:44 +0100
Message-ID<7dc7d76952.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to#3884
In message <5269cdbdfcrobnews@rgvk.co.uk>
          "Rob Hemmings (news2)" <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <8e12bd6952.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>,
>    ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

> <Snip>

>> I see that RO 5.18 is available for free to update my Iyonix. This is
>> good news so I go to the website and find 2 versions.

> <Snip>

> While we are talking about 5.18 can anyone summarise what the significant
> changes are?  I have been to the ROOL web page and i have read all the
> way through the change log but had trouble knowing what the actual impact
> of most of the changes would be.  Is it all bug fixes or are there any
> significant new features?

The most obvious new feature is the improved Filer action window, 
i.e., the window you see while a count/copy/delete operation is in 
progress. That alone is worth the effort of upgrading. Well done ROOL!

-- 
Martin
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#3907

From"Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet>
Date2012-03-03 17:26 +0000
Message-ID<fIxm7.2485$lk6.889688@orpheusnews>
In reply to#3887
Martin Wuerthner wrote:

> The most obvious new feature is the improved Filer action window,
> i.e., the window you see while a count/copy/delete operation is in
> progress. That alone is worth the effort of upgrading. Well done ROOL!

When you're using that to search for a file which is buried a bit deep,
does this improved window actually tell you where it found the file?


Fliss

-- 
She said: I met a man with sense of adventure dressed to kill wherever he went.
He said: Let's make love on a mountain top, under the stars on a big hard rock.
She said: In these shoes? I don't think so. Honey, let's do it right here.

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#3917

FromPaul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl>
Date2012-03-03 23:35 +0100
Message-ID<526adea1d5Paul@sprie.nl>
In reply to#3907
In article <fIxm7.2485$lk6.889688@orpheusnews>,
   Felicity S. <Fliss@orpheusnet> wrote:

> When you're using that to search for a file which is buried a bit deep,
> does this improved window actually tell you where it found the file?

It does, but have previous windows ever done otherwise?

Kind regards,
Paul Sprangers

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#3924

From"Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet>
Date2012-03-04 14:09 +0000
Message-ID<fIxm7.2485$lk6.889691@orpheusnews>
In reply to#3917
Paul Sprangers wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:

>> Martin Wuerthner wrote:

>> The most obvious new feature is the improved Filer action window,
>> i.e., the window you see while a count/copy/delete operation is in
>> progress. That alone is worth the effort of upgrading. Well done ROOL!

>> When you're using that to search for a file which is buried a bit deep,
>> does this improved window actually tell you where it found the file?

> It does, but have previous windows ever done otherwise?

All the while, since you only get part of the long filename in the Found
window. View is useless with large directories and/or multiple hits.


Fliss

-- 
He said: We will fly to the tower in the form of eagles, swifter than the wind!
He said: I'm afraid the Shapeshifter's low on power, not even enough for hawks.
He said: Then we must be crows - blackbirds then... It's tits again, isn't it?

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#3928

FromPeter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk>
Date2012-03-04 16:42 +0000
Message-ID<6f1d426b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
In reply to#3924
On 4 Mar 2012  "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> wrote:

> Paul Sprangers wrote:

>> Felicity S. wrote:

>>> Martin Wuerthner wrote:

>>> The most obvious new feature is the improved Filer action window,
>>> i.e., the window you see while a count/copy/delete operation is in
>>> progress. That alone is worth the effort of upgrading. Well done ROOL!

>>> When you're using that to search for a file which is buried a bit deep,
>>> does this improved window actually tell you where it found the file?

>> It does, but have previous windows ever done otherwise?

> All the while, since you only get part of the long filename in the Found
> window. View is useless with large directories and/or multiple hits.

Probably not exactly what you want, but !FullNames from 
http://www.ajb121.net/riscos/
is very useful for files with very long names. The manual only 
mentions RISC OS up to 4, but I had it working on the Iyo and now have 
it on the ARMini.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /      zfc Hf     \     Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \      http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
        /  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk

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#3936

FromTony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-03-04 19:04 +0000
Message-ID<592e4f6b52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
In reply to#3924
On 4 Mar 2012, "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> wrote:
> Paul Sprangers wrote:
> > Felicity S. wrote:
> > > Martin Wuerthner wrote:
>
> > > > The most obvious new feature is the improved Filer action
> > > > window, i.e., the window you see while a count/copy/delete
> > > > operation is in progress. That alone is worth the effort of
> > > > upgrading. Well done ROOL!
>
> > > When you're using that to search for a file which is buried a bit
> > > deep, does this improved window actually tell you where it found
> > > the file?
>
> > It does, but have previous windows ever done otherwise?
>
> All the while, since you only get part of the long filename in the
> Found window. View is useless with large directories and/or multiple
> hits.

Swipe http://astubbs.drobe.co.uk/swipe.html can read the whole filepath,
even though only part of it may be visible in the Found window. It also
enables the filepath to be copied to the clipboard, and transferred to a
text editor.

Tony


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#3889

FromSteve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Date2012-03-01 22:37 +0000
Message-ID<mpro.m089ip012almo01kb.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
In reply to#3879
On 1 Mar, ChrisF wrote in message
    <8e12bd6952.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>:

> I write because I am not content.
> 
> I see that RO 5.18 is available for free to update my Iyonix. This is good
> news so I go to the website and find 2 versions.
> 
> This is not so good.
> 
> I will now need to make a decision and to do that I will need information
> and the First Rule Of Computing is that the good friend who is offering me
> the update - whatever and whoever  it may be - can't know what it is I
> know and don't know; if you see what I mean.

The two versions are a softload and a ROM flash.

The softload is just that: it sits in your boot sequence and temporarily
replaces your ROM with 5.18 each time you boot if you answer Y to the prompt
(if you answer N or ignore the question, it does nothing).  Reboot, and
you're back to whatever version of RISC OS you have in ROM.

The ROM flash replaces your ROM with 5.18, semi-permanently (you get a "go
back" tool generated when you run it, should you need it).
 
> So I download, save and unzip each and find that one is for the nervous -
> which is me. Good news. I can try it and if it screws up I can remove it.
> 
> I open the ReadMe file but it doesn't explicitly say what to do with the
> app.  Well, it's a !Boot file so I'm guessing that I just merge it. (I can
> do that.)
> 
> But....... how do I 'de-merge' it if it causes grief? No explanation can I
> find.

Look inside the supplied file.  It merges in one self-contained application
which is easy to delete.




> 
> So, what do I do but open the app .........  and then open the directory
> chain. >>>>>> NO DON'T DO IT. <<<<<<<< Because at the bottom a window
> opens and a 10 second counter starts!
> 
> The update is about to self-install!

No, the default option (if you do nothing) is to quit having done nothing
after 10 seconds.  Only if you say "yes, I want to softload" does it do
anything -- and again, a reboot will clear it anyway.


-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England             Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
                                             Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/           http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

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#3891

FromC J Craig <Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk>
Date2012-03-02 07:34 +0000
Message-ID<5750086a52.Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk>
In reply to#3889
In message <mpro.m089ip012almo01kb.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
          Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

> On 1 Mar, ChrisF wrote in message
>     <8e12bd6952.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>:

>> I write because I am not content.
>> 
>> I see that RO 5.18 is available for free to update my Iyonix. This is good
>> news so I go to the website and find 2 versions.
>> 
>> This is not so good.
>> 
>> I will now need to make a decision and to do that I will need information
>> and the First Rule Of Computing is that the good friend who is offering me
>> the update - whatever and whoever  it may be - can't know what it is I
>> know and don't know; if you see what I mean.

> The two versions are a softload and a ROM flash.

> The softload is just that: it sits in your boot sequence and temporarily
> replaces your ROM with 5.18 each time you boot if you answer Y to the prompt
> (if you answer N or ignore the question, it does nothing).  Reboot, and
> you're back to whatever version of RISC OS you have in ROM.


[snip]

Yes, although I have flashed before it was a bit short on 
instructions!
I opted for full Flash and it seems to work.

""As the ROM now includes the SharedSound mixing software, some of the 
module
location numbers have changed. Because the *UNPLUG settings only 
remember the
module location numbers you may need to review any unplugged modules 
after
the upgrade to ensure the desired ones are unplugged, and that crucial
modules are not left unplugged by mistake.""

What should I be looking at? What should I unplug??

Chris

-- 
C J Craig

Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk
Iyonix ARM XScale computer Risc OS 5.18

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#3892

FromIan Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net>
Date2012-03-02 08:17 +0000
Message-ID<526a0c3bd6Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.Net>
In reply to#3891
In article <5750086a52.Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk>,
   C J Craig <Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> Yes, although I have flashed before it was a bit short on 
> instructions!
> I opted for full Flash and it seems to work.

> ""As the ROM now includes the SharedSound mixing software, some of the
> module location numbers have changed. Because the *UNPLUG settings only
> remember the module location numbers you may need to review any
> unplugged modules after the upgrade to ensure the desired ones are
> unplugged, and that crucial modules are not left unplugged by mistake.""

> What should I be looking at? What should I unplug??

1) Ideally you should issue '*Unplug' before upgrading and note anything
listed.

2) I'd '*RmReinit <module>' everything listed at this point.

3) Do the upgrade and then '*Unplug <module>' everything listed if you
want to regain the original unplugged state.

4) Do '*Unplug' to check the list is the same as it was originally.


Steps 2 & 3 might not be needed if your unplugged modules are in the same
positions in the new ROM.

If you don't have anything unplugged you needn't worry.

Ian

-- 
Ian Hamilton (Iyonix/ARMini) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

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#3894

FromC J Craig <Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk>
Date2012-03-02 10:33 +0000
Message-ID<b5b1186a52.Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk>
In reply to#3892
In message <526a0c3bd6Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.Net>
          Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> wrote:

> In article <5750086a52.Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk>,
>    C J Craig <Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> [Snip]

>> Yes, although I have flashed before it was a bit short on
>> instructions!
>> I opted for full Flash and it seems to work.

>> ""As the ROM now includes the SharedSound mixing software, some of the
>> module location numbers have changed. Because the *UNPLUG settings only
>> remember the module location numbers you may need to review any
>> unplugged modules after the upgrade to ensure the desired ones are
>> unplugged, and that crucial modules are not left unplugged by mistake.""

>> What should I be looking at? What should I unplug??

> 1) Ideally you should issue '*Unplug' before upgrading and note anything
> listed.

> 2) I'd '*RmReinit <module>' everything listed at this point.

> 3) Do the upgrade and then '*Unplug <module>' everything listed if you
> want to regain the original unplugged state.

> 4) Do '*Unplug' to check the list is the same as it was originally.


> Steps 2 & 3 might not be needed if your unplugged modules are in the same
> positions in the new ROM.

> If you don't have anything unplugged you needn't worry.

> Ian

> --
> Ian Hamilton (Iyonix/ARMini) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/


Thanks.. of course I upgraded before looking at the Unplugged..
I wonder what might have been unplugged and for what reason??
It says nothing is unplugged now. Maybe that is ok?

Chris


-- 
C J Craig

Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk
Iyonix ARM XScale computer Risc OS 5.18

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#3896

FromIan Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net>
Date2012-03-02 10:50 +0000
Message-ID<526a1a4531Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.Net>
In reply to#3894
In article <b5b1186a52.Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk>,
   C J Craig <Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip] How to check unplugged modules

> Thanks.. of course I upgraded before looking at the Unplugged..
> I wonder what might have been unplugged and for what reason??
> It says nothing is unplugged now. Maybe that is ok?

Yes, if you don't have anything unplugged there is nothing to worry about.

The problem arises when you do have unplugged modules. After upgrading, a
different module might be unplugged instead of the intended one.

Ian

-- 
Ian Hamilton (Iyonix/ARMini) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

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#3898

FromMartin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date2012-03-02 15:06 +0100
Message-ID<26302c6a52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to#3896
In message <526a1a4531Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.Net>
          Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> wrote:

> In article <b5b1186a52.Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk>,
>    C J Craig <Chris@skipton.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> [Snip] How to check unplugged modules

>> Thanks.. of course I upgraded before looking at the Unplugged..
>> I wonder what might have been unplugged and for what reason??
>> It says nothing is unplugged now. Maybe that is ok?

> Yes, if you don't have anything unplugged there is nothing to worry about.

> The problem arises when you do have unplugged modules. After upgrading, a
> different module might be unplugged instead of the intended one.

I wonder what reason there is for having any modules unplugged on an 
Iyonix? It has exactly the modules it needs in ROM. Things are 
different with RiscPCs some of which require certain modules to be 
unplugged (mostly related to add-on IDE cards and CDs).

-- 
Martin
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#3901

From"Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com>
Date2012-03-02 15:09 +0000
Message-ID<526a31f993steve@revi11.plus.com>
In reply to#3898
In article <26302c6a52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
   Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> I wonder what reason there is for having any modules unplugged on an 
> Iyonix? It has exactly the modules it needs in ROM.

I have "Resolver" unplugged. I've no idea why :)

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

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#3899

FromChris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net>
Date2012-03-02 13:24 +0000
Message-ID<526a286148chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net>
In reply to#3896
In article <526a1a4531Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.Net>,
   Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> wrote:
> The problem arises when you do have unplugged modules. After
> upgrading, a different module might be unplugged instead of the
> intended one.

I wonder why this 'archaic' method is still used, it has caused so
many problems over the years whenever an operating system is
upgraded. I never unplug anything these days.

Perhaps certain modules should be 'dormant' by default, and activated
during boot only if they are actually required for eg networking
support.

The alternative, suitable in many cases, is to RMKill them early in
the boot process.

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#4011

Fromdruck <news@druck.org.uk>
Date2012-03-07 09:27 +0000
Message-ID<jj79ls$r9o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3899
On 02/03/2012 13:24, Chris Johnson wrote:
> In article<526a1a4531Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.Net>,
>     Ian Hamilton<Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net>  wrote:
>> The problem arises when you do have unplugged modules. After
>> upgrading, a different module might be unplugged instead of the
>> intended one.
>
> I wonder why this 'archaic' method is still used, it has caused so
> many problems over the years whenever an operating system is
> upgraded. I never unplug anything these days.

There shouldn't really be any need for it any more.

> Perhaps certain modules should be 'dormant' by default, and activated
> during boot only if they are actually required for eg networking
> support.

That's exactly what happens in all correctly written modules.

There are two, main reasons for unplugging which date back to legacy 
hardware, and shouldn't be an issue in the future.

1) 3rd party podules containing a modified copy of a ROM module.

   a) An OS upgrade may contain a newer version of that module which has 
to be unplugged in order to allow the podule version to still be used.

   b) The need for the podule version may be invalided by an OS upgrade, 
but contains a higher version number, so it has to be unplugged.

2) To avoid length hardware detection. For example unplugging 
CDFSSoftATAPI when there are no IDE devices on the motherboard to avoid 
a lengthy timeout.

There is also a third reason to work around a particular problem of 
modules used by applications.

3) Unplugging modules in ROM to ensure that applications don't start 
using them, and instead softloading newer ones. For example the toolbox 
modules which can't be replaced once in use.

> The alternative, suitable in many cases, is to RMKill them early in
> the boot process.

That is the correct solution for (3), rather than unplugging which was 
used for a long time, and lead to no end of problems for users upgrading 
Select versions.

---druck

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