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On 4 Oct 2025 as I do recall,
          Jean-Michel  wrote:

> In message <912342665c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
>           Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On 1 Oct 2025 as I do recall,
> >           Jean-Michel  wrote:
> 
> > [snip]
> 
> >> By changing the keyboard in Configure Keyboard, we change Country and
> >> therefore the keyboard.
> >> From PRM3/p780:
> >> "Remember that you should normally only need to change the country setting
> >> as this will also change the keyboard."
> >> The Country Russia command line is enough to use the keyboard with
> >> !Netsurf
> 
> > Unfortunately for me it apparently isn't, because I don't get the right
> > characters when I press the appropriate keys.
> 
> You have to press alt (left)+ shift otherwise you have a US keyboard

Something seems to be bugged in my set-up at the moment, because every
time I type *Country Russia I get a long stream of random output in
response (although the keyboard does change)

*Country Russia
 !"lll#666$?h>~%`f0f&8ll8mf;'(000)00*~<~+~,0-~./0`0<fn~vf<18~2<f0~3<ff<4<l~5~`|f<60`|ff<7~0008<ff<ff<9<ff>8:;0<0`0=~~>00?<f@<fnjn`<A<ff~fffB|ff|ff|C<f```f<DxlffflxE~``|``~F~``|```G<f`nff<Hfff~fffI~~J>l8KflxpxlfL``````~MckkccNffv~nffO<fffff<P|ff|```Q<fffjl6R|ff|lffS<f`<f<T~Uffffff<Vfffff<WcckwcXff<<ffYfff<Z~0`~[|`````|\`0]>>^<f_�`0a<>f>b``|fff|c<f`f<d>fff>e<f~`<f00|000g>ff><h``|ffffi8<j8pk``flxlfl8<mkkcn|ffffo<fff<p|ff|``q>ff>rlv```s>`<|t00|000uffff>vfff<wck6xf<<fyfff><z~0~{p|}00~1k����������f~`|`~�~Z�~f```�6`x`6�<f`f<�<<�f<<�l8�xXX^[۞�������ޫ~Z�nlxln�~�fff~|�ffffff�<fff~ff�~``|ff|�|ffxff|�~f`````�666c�~b`|`b~�kk**kk�>ff>�ccgkscc�kcgkscc�gflxlfg�33333c�cwkkccc�ccccc�>fffff|�~ffffff�~ff|```�>f```f|�~Z�fff~kk�ff$$ff�lllll~�fff>�kkkkk�kkkkk�xX���������```|ff|�8ll8���������>ff>6ff�>>f>�8`|ff<�|f|f|�~f```�,,~f�<f~`>�kk>kk�<ff<�co{ccco{cc�flxlf�333c�cwkcc�ff~ff�>fff|�~ffff�~ff|``�>f`f|�~Z�fff~k�f<<f�fff�ff>�kkk�kkk�p0<6<�������``|f|�<ff<�N[{[N�>f>ff�������f<f~`>�`�`|fff�~f``�<fpf<�>`|�8�f8�p�xX^[��XX~[^�`�`|fff
�flxlf�<`<f<<�ffff~<�ffff*

> 
> > Also, I suspect that any website into which you try to enter Cyrillic
> > probably wouldn't recognise RISC OS 'Cyrillic encoding' but would expect
> > Unicode of some flavour, but I haven't even managed to get that far....
> You must be right.
> >> N.B.
> >> I discovered this morning that you could have Cyrillic characters in
> >> Stronged, just choose in the Panelfont: System
> >> Change with configure keyboard to russia. You need to use shift + alt to
> >> get cyrillic characters otherwise it will be a US keyboard.
> 
> > At the moment (after typing *Country Russia) I don't get any visible
> > characters at all with Bitmap: System font set, and get Latin-1
> > characters in the ASCII 127+ range with System: OS system font (8x16)
> > set.
> Indeed it only works after having made the change in Configure Keyboard.

But I thought the PRM said "Remember that you should normally only need
to change the country setting as this will also change the keyboard"?

Ooops - I just tried again in the Edit window with the font
Bukinist.1251 selected (after having quit !KeyMap) and did get Cyrillic
output.  Not the correct output for what I typed - most of the letters
were coming out as capitals despite not being shifted, and the wrong
capitals at that - but at least visibly Cyrillic.  And clicking on a
!Chars window (with encoding Default rather than Cyrillic!) does at
least produce the expected letters with that option set; the keyboard
mapping is just the wrong one.

And if I then run !KeyMap with the Russ 1251 mapping selected I can type
into Edit... which is the same result I get in Impression, so not
surprising I suppose.   But not into Netsurf, because pressing the same
keys produces completely different output there.

Basically I am just completely confused as to what I am doing.   :-(


> >> 
> >> Another manipulation which explains above. Open !Char and select: System
> >> Font.
> >> Now open Configure Keyboard and change the country !Char update its
> >> display.
> >> 
> > I have seen this working in the past, but I can't seem to replicate the
> > results.
> > What I can do is open the Chars window and select a *non*-System font
> > that actually contains encodings beyond the default, e.g. DejaVu, at
> > which point I can change the Encoding option (normally greyed out
> > because I default to System font in !Chars) to Greek or Cyrillic and
> > view Cyrillic characters in the 127+ range.  I can't seem to alter the
> > encoding from within StrongED or !Edit, though, which means that
> > selecting the Cyrillic keyboard is just generating accented Latin-1
> > characters there.
> !Configure keyboard Russia and keys alt+shift work for Edit and StrongEd
> 
I haven't got it to work in StrongED yet....

(Also, there is a problem with !KeyMap in that it doesn't seem to be
passing on F12 keypresses, which means that every time I want to open a
taskwindow while KeyMap is loaded I have to go to the Task Manager
menu!)


-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Don't hate yourself in the morning - sleep till noon.

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