Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff

From	"David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject	Re: Electric heating: was ARM embedded stuff
Date	2012-02-28 20:26 +0000
Organization	APDL
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References	(13 earlier) <5267cd161ftim@invalid.org.uk> <d4644e6852.barrygray@virginmedia.com> <52689bac21Spambin@argonet.co.uk> <5268ac80e1dave@davenoise.co.uk> <5268ba37c9alan_calder@o2.co.uk>

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On 28-Feb-2012, Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:

> We bought an old Ford van, with a 100E engine if I remember correctly.  We
> did it up and had it all going nicely and then he read an article that
> said
> that the petrol companies had been pulling the wool over our eyes for
> decades and that cheap paraffin was just as good in car engines as the
> expensive petrol.  So without telling me he bought a couple of gallons of
> Esso Blue and poured it into the van's tank and set off down the road.
> All
> well for a quarter of a mile whilst the petrol in the carb lasted and then
> - chug, chug, chuuugg and loads of black smoke out of the exhaust.  He got
> halfway home before the van stopped and refused to proceed further.  When
> I
> arrived we had to push it back - uphill, I could have slaughtered him.
>
> Off with the cylinder head, easy on an 100E, and a vision of soot that
> would have graced a Victorian chimney.  We tried but in the time
> available,
> the trip being funded by his working elder sister, we couldn't get the van
> into Poland conquering condition.  We went to Yugoslavia instead in
> another
> friend's Skoda Octavia, a car that could take on a T34 and win but that's
> a
> story for another day...
>
> -

You should have done your research properly.

The type of paraffin/kerosene used in internal combustion engines is called
TVO. Tractor Vapourising Oil. Almost any low compression slow speed engine
will work with it (a 100E would probably have been fine) but you can't just
pour it in the tank and drive away. It needs to be pre-heated to aid
atomisation otherwise it won't burn properly, which is probably why it made
such a mess of your engine. The easiest way to do this is to coil the fuel
pipe around the exhaust manifold a few times before the carburetor. You may
also need to retard the ignition a bit. However the main 'problem' is that
you need a small auxiliary fuel tank of petrol and a change-over fuel cock
because you'll never get it to start on TVO. So you have to start up on
petrol and then switch over to TVO once it's hot. You also need to switch
back to petrol a few minutes before you stop otherwise you'll have to drain
the float chamber before you can get started again.

I know about this because before small diesel engines were common TVO was
widely used in small boats and I owned a 36 ft boat with a Meadows engine
which ran on TVO.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>

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