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| From | "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.soft-sys.math.maple |
| Subject | Re: Elementary vs non-elementary result. |
| Date | 2015-05-06 15:41 -0500 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <midu90$4ms$1@speranza.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | <d00f3a7a-0ed5-498b-b3b7-e3f922c68da0@googlegroups.com> |
On 5/6/2015 11:52 AM, RGVickson@shaw.ca wrote: > The following integration occurred in Physics Forums: > int(f,x), where f = (x^2+1)/[(x^2-1)*sqrt(1+x^4)]. > > If asked for the indefinite integral int(f,x), Maple 11 (and Maple 14) \ >return a nasty formula involving Elliptic functions. However, if asked >for the definite integral int(f,x=0..z) assuming z>0, both versions of >Maple return an explicit, closed-form function F(z)involving only >elementary functions. Furthermore, dF/dz really does equal f(z)! >(Initially, F(z) is complex because it involves an arctanh of an >argument > 1, but an evalc on it yields a purely real expression >defined for all z =/= 1, and again, which has the correct derivative.) > > I just wonder why Maple was able to find an elementary expression >for the definite integral (but at any variable upper limit) but not for the indefinite integral. > > RGV > Try Maple 2015. restart; f:=x-> (x^2+1)/((x^2-1)*sqrt(1+x^4)): F:=int(f(x),x); sqrt(1-I*x^2)*sqrt(1+I*x^2)*EllipticF(x*((1/2)*sqrt(2)+ (1/2*I)*sqrt(2)), I)/(((1/2)*sqrt(2)+(1/2*I)*sqrt(2))* sqrt(x^4+1))+2*(-1)^(3/4)*sqrt(1-I*x^2)*sqrt(1+I*x^2)* EllipticPi((-1)^(1/4)*x, -I, sqrt(-I)/((-1)^(1/4)))/sqrt(x^4+1) expand(simplify(diff(F,x))); x^2/((x^2-1)*sqrt(x^4+1))+1/((x^2-1)*sqrt(x^4+1)) ------------------------------ F:=int(f(x),x=0..z) assuming z>0; (1/2-(1/2)*I)*(1-I*z^2)^(1/2)*(1+I*z^2)^(1/2)*(-(-1)^(1/4)* EllipticPi((-1)^(1/4)*z, -I, I)*2^(1/2)+(-1)^(3/4)* EllipticPi((-1)^(1/4)*z, -I, I)*2^(1/2)+EllipticF((1/2)*2^(1/2)*z +((1/2)*I)*z*2^(1/2), I))*2^(1/2)/(z^4+1)^(1/2) expand(simplify(diff(F,z))); z^2/((z^2-1)*sqrt(z^4+1))+1/((z^2-1)*sqrt(z^4+1)) --Nasser
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Elementary vs non-elementary result. RGVickson@shaw.ca - 2015-05-06 09:52 -0700
Re: Elementary vs non-elementary result. "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2015-05-06 15:41 -0500
Re: Elementary vs non-elementary result. RGVickson@shaw.ca - 2015-05-06 16:09 -0700
Re: Elementary vs non-elementary result. "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2015-05-07 01:50 -0500
Re: Elementary vs non-elementary result. acer <maple@rogers.com> - 2015-05-08 10:28 -0700
Re: Elementary vs non-elementary result. "G. A. Edgar" <edgar@math.ohio-state.edu.invalid> - 2015-05-09 07:44 -0600
Re: Elementary vs non-elementary result. acer <maple@rogers.com> - 2015-05-11 20:16 -0700
Re: Elementary vs non-elementary result. acer <maple@rogers.com> - 2015-05-08 09:59 -0700
Re: Elementary vs non-elementary result. RGVickson@shaw.ca - 2015-05-08 15:03 -0700
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