Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > comp.protocols.time.ntp > #164195

Re: [EXT] Re: Re: Delay in Switching to Stratum 16 After Local Reference Loss on ntpd 4.2.8p18

Path csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.iecc.com!.POSTED.news.iecc.com!not-for-mail
From "Miroslav Lichvar via questions Mailing List" <questions@lists.ntp.org>
Newsgroups comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject Re: [EXT] Re: Re: Delay in Switching to Stratum 16 After Local Reference Loss on ntpd 4.2.8p18
Date Wed, 2 Jul 2025 14:58:00 -0000 (UTC)
Organization Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
Message-ID <aGVIVbdlZAqr0YxA@localhost> (permalink)
References <90763509-b155-4fdb-8605-b861d8bd20b7@ntp.org> <1040f45$2qa5k$1@dont-email.me> <aGT-5oBONitTpxU3@localhost> <e0bf2cdc994241049f4036a014892cd8@ukr.de> <CAD9nGEw-FxVp4YhonS2XNLACfDY0BfJ4ZMsNie0LVsHTqXq1vQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAMbSiYAfxWmzdx494b5AWNGnfbFwCL7NfZnjMy0jxjY7GpTC_w@mail.gmail.com> <CAMbSiYCjHLqga5+A5i60dLm04bP8M+T_i_zdTpeSro5ScYXXwA@mail.gmail.com> <f5ff0fc9703e414b999c5845039667fa@ukr.de>
Reply-To "Miroslav Lichvar" <mlichvar@redhat.com>
MIME-Version 1.0
Content-Type text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Injection-Date Wed, 2 Jul 2025 14:58:00 -0000 (UTC)
Injection-Info gal.iecc.com; posting-host="news.iecc.com:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:676f:7373:6970"; logging-data="46742"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@iecc.com"
Cc "Dave Hart" <davehart@gmail.com>, "questions@lists.ntp.org" <questions@lists.ntp.org>, "Jürgen Perlinger" <juergen.perlinger@t-online.de>, "Jürgen Perlinger" <perlinger@ntp.org>, "Windl, Ulrich" <windl@ntp.org>
To "Windl, Ulrich" <u.windl@ukr.de>
Return-Path <questions-owner@lists.ntp.org>
Delivered-To ntpquestions@iecc.com
Errors-To questions-owner@lists.ntp.org
X-Spam-Checker-Version SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-26) on gal.iecc.com
X-Spam-Status No, score=-3.1 required=4.4 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1
Authentication-Results iecc.com; spf=pass spf.mailfrom=questions-owner@lists.ntp.org spf.helo=mail0.chi1.ntfo.org smtp.remote-ip="204.93.207.17"; dkim=pass header.d=lists.ntp.org header.s=mail header.a=rsa-sha256 header.b="R7dkFW8n"; dmarc=pass header.from=lists.ntp.org polrec.p=quarantine polrec.pct=100
DKIM-Signature v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.ntp.org; s=mail; t=1751468155; bh=7otvpPPbpfnsj7GFb6ZsXYhS+pUsxmu9jHygfHP8A8M=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Reply-To:Sender:List-Id:List-Help: List-Subscribe:List-Unsubscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; b=R7dkFW8nA5DZb09wb+Dw0XY3153dEG89YKDgmh+xGzRn3kdFx+LNoVyVjZSsPVRs9 aCFa0MD7uq7k0Wm2R0g/+KZopuMgMK3kTL8dvNqefOhOl5n/MMAY4sesahw+yIBLwb oFh8KdK7Y0iulnjvPcb/BDXWsnDwz285B5
X-MC-Unique gwTO8jlPOAe8gbNQFLbhjg-1
X-Mimecast-MFC-AGG-ID gwTO8jlPOAe8gbNQFLbhjg_1751468123
In-Reply-To <e0bf2cdc994241049f4036a014892cd8@ukr.de>
X-Scanned-By MIMEDefang 3.0 on 10.30.177.17
X-Mimecast-Spam-Score 0
X-Mimecast-MFC-PROC-ID go-nAuzD35sjHceQlNMrgYZa7e-E0TvkmL221c5DkXo_1751468123
X-Mimecast-Originator redhat.com
Content-Disposition inline
X-Loop questions@lists.ntp.org
List-Id <questions.lists.ntp.org>
List-Help <https: //lists.ntp.org/sympa/help>, <mailto:sympa@lists.ntp.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe <https: //lists.ntp.org/sympa/subscribe/questions>, <mailto:sympa@lists.ntp.org?subject=SUB%20questions>
List-Unsubscribe <https: //lists.ntp.org/sympa/signoff/questions>, <mailto:sympa@lists.ntp.org?subject=SIG%20questions>
List-Post <mailto: questions@lists.ntp.org>
List-Owner <mailto: questions-request@lists.ntp.org>
List-Archive <https: //lists.ntp.org/sympa/arc/questions>
X-Original-DMARC-Record domain=redhat.com; v=DMARC1; p=quarantine; rua=mailto: 5f1992045035946@rep.dmarcanalyzer.com; ruf=mailto:5f1992045035946@for.dmarcanalyzer.com; fo=1;
X-Original-DKIM-Signature v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1751468132; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=7otvpPPbpfnsj7GFb6ZsXYhS+pUsxmu9jHygfHP8A8M=; b=O2IMwDAbwO+xpaYsri/MLKPMp+VLEu0XOlzjFJlHxp/o3B8LK23ZTAOB9kKifK1fh7DQqu uU7mJFeU0qSSpmSlJkDzr0n44s7lSPOIEdkKFNqoOYUOhHpD6dfmMawMBUYh7O5gEiAQKg NNHeul8KZrnr
X-Original-From Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>
X-DCC-iecc-Metrics gal.iecc.com 1107; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1
Mail-to-news iecc.com
Xref csiph.com comp.protocols.time.ntp:164195

Show key headers only | View raw


On Wed, Jul 02, 2025 at 09:50:37AM +0000, Windl, Ulrich wrote:
> Miroslav,
> 
> from the RFC citations found in the bug report it seems to be specified differently, or I misunderstood.

If you are referring to the Figure 24 of RFC 5905, which has "return
(UNSYNC)" for this path, there doesn't seem to be anything suggesting
that should be handled by resetting the clock to an unsynchronized
state.

The clock_select() function in A.5.5.1 doesn't have a return value and
in this case when no usable sources are present it doesn't do
anything, it just returns.

        /*
         * There must be at least NSANE survivors to satisfy the
         * correctness assertions.  Ordinarily, the Byzantine criteria
         * require four survivors, but for the demonstration here, one
         * is acceptable.
         */
        if (s.n < NSANE)
                return;

-- 
Miroslav Lichvar

Back to comp.protocols.time.ntp | Previous | NextPrevious in thread | Next in thread | Find similar


Thread

Re: Delay in Switching to Stratum 16 After Local Reference Loss on ntpd 4.2.8p18 "Harlan Stenn via questions Mailing List" <questions@lists.ntp.org> - 2025-07-01 03:48 +0000
  Re: Delay in Switching to Stratum 16 After Local Reference Loss on ntpd 4.2.8p18 Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com> - 2025-07-01 11:00 +0000
    RE: [EXT] Re: Re: Delay in Switching to Stratum 16 After Local Reference Loss on ntpd 4.2.8p18 "Windl, Ulrich" <u.windl@ukr.de> - 2025-07-02 10:23 +0000
      Re: [EXT] Re: Re: Delay in Switching to Stratum 16 After Local Reference Loss on ntpd 4.2.8p18 "Miroslav Lichvar via questions Mailing List" <questions@lists.ntp.org> - 2025-07-02 14:58 +0000
        RE: [EXT] Re: Re: Re: Re: Delay in Switching to Stratum 16 After Local Reference Loss on ntpd 4.2.8p18 "Windl, Ulrich" <u.windl@ukr.de> - 2025-07-07 10:58 +0000
    Re: [EXT] Re: Re: Re: Delay in Switching to Stratum 16 After Local Reference Loss on ntpd 4.2.8p18 "Miroslav Lichvar via questions Mailing List" <questions@lists.ntp.org> - 2025-07-07 09:38 +0000
  Re: [EXT] Re: Delay in Switching to Stratum 16 After Local Reference Loss on ntpd 4.2.8p18 "Miroslav Lichvar via questions Mailing List" <questions@lists.ntp.org> - 2025-07-02 10:43 +0000
    RE: [EXT] Re: Re: Re: Delay in Switching to Stratum 16 After Local Reference Loss on ntpd 4.2.8p18 "Windl, Ulrich" <u.windl@ukr.de> - 2025-07-04 17:08 +0000

csiph-web