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On 03/02/14 22:51, Moe Trin wrote:
> Here, the utility commission is part of the Arizona Corporation
> Commission - a state office, and the officials are elected, so there is
> some semblance of fairness/honesty - see that paragon of accuracy, the
> Wonkypedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Corporation_Commission.

Well, at least electing them seems like a fairly good idea.  I don't
think it works well for all offices ... places with elected judges seem
to be a bit nuttier at election time given that voters don't have much
they can vote on ... but a fairly independent PUC would indeed be nice.

>> A few towns up here have municipal utilities, such as power and gas.
>> Ours doesn't, but I've lived in towns that had it, and it's a great
>> deal -- much better service and lower cost.
> 
> That's a great big "that depends".  We have municipal owned utilities,
> and perhaps one of the worst examples is Los Angeles. See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Department_of_Water_and_Power

Ugh.  OK; fair enough.  Anything can be done poorly.

>> I know that some of the towns tried to set up their own ISPs and ran
>> into trouble.  Just googling "municipal isp" will get you pages of
>> woe, including the fact that 20 states simply outlaw it to protect
>> the monopolies.
> 
> I can't say that I've run into any - and I'm not sure why the city
> would think it a viable product.   You need some transmission media
> (wire, fiber, wet string) and that's either on poles or buried. Unless
> the municipality also owns the power or phone system, they'd have to
> be paying transit fees to those that do own it as regular ISPs do.

In Shrewsbury, they do own and maintain the poles.  And they're much
better at it.  When there's a storm that knocks out the poor suckers
with privately-held utilities, they're still up in Shrewsbury.  53
recorded outages in 2012 with an average of 47 minutes per outage for
SELCO.  And the last rate change was in 2008.  Like all town agencies,
they have to report data in the annual town meeting, so it's easy to
find out how they're doing.  Good luck finding accurate statistics for
those other companies.

They have twice as many linemen per customer as the private companies
do, and half (or less) the outage time.

>> I suspect I'm one of the more fortunate plane owners.  Most that I know
>> have even lower resources, and keep up just because they love flying.
> 
> That was why I went with a fractional ownership. I had gotten used to
> flying on the cheap thanks to the GI-Bill, but it was decided that I
> wouldn't make it as a CFI - don't have the patience. So it was back to
> paying full price, and that pointed to fractional ownership or lease
> back.   The local FBOs were leasing in aircraft for use as rentals,
> but it just didn't feel as comfortable.

I know some people who do lease-backs, but given the trouble I've seen
in "simple" shared-use agreements, I'm very wary of it.  I guess if
someone were to set up a standardized program for it, so that everyone
going in would know exactly what was expected, then I'd be a little more
interested.

>> When an annoying instructor interrupts that flow, I either start over
>>from the beginning, or just tell him I'm going to ignore him until
>> some specific point.
> 
> As I said - "Tower, 72-Whiskey is going around!".

Good point.

>>>> (9G8) has a surface elevation of 2099 MSL.
> 
>>> A mere 86F/30C and you're looking a 4100 density,
> 
>> Mere?  86F is an awfully hot day in Ebensburg, but true enough.
> 
> Yeah, it's warm, but it happens all to often in the summer.  If you
> really want an eye-opener, in 1990 the airport at Phoenix became
> unusable because the observed temperature exceeded 122F/50C.  That
> was off the end of the charts, even though the density altitude is
> no worse than ISA conditions at Denver (where I've seen ISA+15C in
> summers - there's a reason for those 12000 foot long runways at KDEN).

Yikes.  That'd be a bummer of a reason to have your flight canceled.

-- 
James Carlson         42.703N 71.076W         <carlsonj@workingcode.com>

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Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt Tiago Castro <tiagomlcastro@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 09:49 -0800
  Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2014-02-13 02:44 +0000
    Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt James Carlson <carlsonj@workingcode.com> - 2014-02-13 09:44 -0500
      Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2014-02-13 15:59 +0000
        Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt James Carlson <carlsonj@workingcode.com> - 2014-02-13 15:01 -0500
          Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2014-02-13 23:58 +0000
            Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt James Carlson <carlsonj@workingcode.com> - 2014-02-13 22:32 -0500
              Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2014-02-15 00:09 +0000
                Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt James Carlson <carlsonj@workingcode.com> - 2014-02-18 08:55 -0500
                Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2014-02-19 02:33 +0000
                Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt James Carlson <carlsonj@workingcode.com> - 2014-03-01 13:33 -0500
                Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2014-03-03 03:51 +0000
                Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt Jim Carlson <carlsonj@workingcode.com> - 2014-03-10 09:37 -0400
                Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2014-03-11 04:00 +0000
                Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt Jim Carlson <carlsonj@workingcode.com> - 2014-03-11 10:04 -0400
                Re: Connect to ISP, ignore Login prompt Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2014-03-12 02:04 +0000

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