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  [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 21:45 +0800
    Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' Per Sandberg <per.s.sandberg@bahnhof.se> - 2017-06-18 22:13 +0200
      Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 19:03 -0400
        Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2017-06-18 20:22 -0400
          Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 22:20 -0400
        Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-06-19 07:50 +0200
          Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2017-06-19 07:24 +0000
          Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2017-06-19 08:28 +0000
          Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 22:28 +0800
        Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-06-19 20:00 -0700
      Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 18:46 +0800
    Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-06-18 18:19 -0700
      Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 22:23 -0400
        Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-06-19 12:42 -0700
          Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 22:19 -0400
            Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-06-20 11:44 -0700
      Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 18:47 +0800
        Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' nospam@please.invalid (AnthonyL) - 2017-06-19 11:24 +0000
          Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 20:26 +0800
    Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2017-06-19 20:53 +0700
      Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-06-19 07:11 -0700
      Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 22:27 +0800
      Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 00:51 +0300
        Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-06-20 14:56 -0700
    Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' Simon Wright <simon@pushface.org> - 2017-06-21 13:27 +0100
      Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-06-21 05:36 -0700
    Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-06-21 18:48 +0200
      Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 00:52 +0800
      Re: [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more' Adam Jensen <hanzer@riseup.net> - 2017-07-05 18:36 +0000

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#7842 — [BBC] Programmers who use spaces 'paid more'

Computer programmers who use spaces as part of their coding earn $15,370 
(£12,000) more per year than those who use tabs, a survey of developers 
has revealed.

Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40302410>

The survey found the salary difference stretched across different 
languages, countries and experience levels.

The debate over whether it is better to use spaces or tabs to indent 
code has raged among programmers for years.

Indents act like paragraph markers and help define how programs work.

The result was "surprising," said David Robinson, data scientist at 
Stack Overflow which carried out the survey of 12,400 developers.

'Pepsi or Coke question'

... more ....

Whether tabs or spaces were used could have an impact, he said, when 
hand-written code was turned into working software. This process is 
handled by a separate program called an interpreter or compiler. Some of 
these can crash if they encounter something, such as a tab, when they 
were only expecting spaces.

Professional developers typically set up their coding editor to use 
either tabs or spaces to show the relationships between functional 
elements, he said. Code can get harder to read if viewed in an editor 
expecting tabs and getting spaces or vice versa.

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#7843

This makes perfect sense !

But this is the same class of statistics that tells you that milk is 
causing accidents since the number of children in injured in car 
accidents in an area is direct proportional to the consumption of milk 
in the same area.


Den 2017-06-18 kl. 15:45, skrev Mr. Man-wai Chang:
> 
> Computer programmers who use spaces as part of their coding earn $15,370 
> (£12,000) more per year than those who use tabs, a survey of developers 
> has revealed.
> 
> Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40302410>
> 
> The survey found the salary difference stretched across different 
> languages, countries and experience levels.
> 
> The debate over whether it is better to use spaces or tabs to indent 
> code has raged among programmers for years.
> 
> Indents act like paragraph markers and help define how programs work.
> 
> The result was "surprising," said David Robinson, data scientist at 
> Stack Overflow which carried out the survey of 12,400 developers.
> 
> 'Pepsi or Coke question'
> 
> ... more ....
> 
> Whether tabs or spaces were used could have an impact, he said, when 
> hand-written code was turned into working software. This process is 
> handled by a separate program called an interpreter or compiler. Some of 
> these can crash if they encounter something, such as a tab, when they 
> were only expecting spaces.
> 
> Professional developers typically set up their coding editor to use 
> either tabs or spaces to show the relationships between functional 
> elements, he said. Code can get harder to read if viewed in an editor 
> expecting tabs and getting spaces or vice versa.
> 

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#7844

In article <_9B1B.213777$gM7.90022@fx44.am4>, per.s.sandberg@bahnhof.se 
says...
> 
> This makes perfect sense !
> 
> But this is the same class of statistics that tells you that milk is 
> causing accidents since the number of children in injured in car 
> accidents in an area is direct proportional to the consumption of milk 
> in the same area.

OK, so tell us what is the third factor that results in programmers who use 
spaces being paid more than programmers who use tabs.

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#7845

J. Clarke wrote:

> In article <_9B1B.213777$gM7.90022@fx44.am4>, per.s.sandberg@bahnhof.se
> says...
>> 
>> This makes perfect sense !
>> 
>> But this is the same class of statistics that tells you that milk is
>> causing accidents since the number of children in injured in car
>> accidents in an area is direct proportional to the consumption of milk
>> in the same area.
> 
> OK, so tell us what is the third factor that results in programmers who
> use spaces being paid more than programmers who use tabs.

What third factor?
Remember, correlation is not causation. You'd be surprised at how often 
people forget that. You can often take two random, real-world variables and 
find some sort of correlation between them; that doesn't mean that there is 
any causative factor between those variables values - random is random.

As for "programmers who use spaces get paid more than programmers who use 
tabs", here are a few more for you

- there is a direct, linear correlation between
  {US spending on science, space and technology}
  and
  {suicides by hanging, strangulation and suffocation}. 
- there is a direct, linear correlation between
  {the number of people who drowned by falling into a pool}
  and
  {films that Nicholas Cage appeared in}

http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations


-- 
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills, We Trust"
PGP public key available upon request

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#7847

In article <oi759s$7he$1@dont-email.me>, lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca 
says...
> 
> J. Clarke wrote:
> 
> > In article <_9B1B.213777$gM7.90022@fx44.am4>, per.s.sandberg@bahnhof.se
> > says...
> >> 
> >> This makes perfect sense !
> >> 
> >> But this is the same class of statistics that tells you that milk is
> >> causing accidents since the number of children in injured in car
> >> accidents in an area is direct proportional to the consumption of milk
> >> in the same area.
> > 
> > OK, so tell us what is the third factor that results in programmers who
> > use spaces being paid more than programmers who use tabs.
> 
> What third factor?
> Remember, correlation is not causation. You'd be surprised at how often 
> people forget that. You can often take two random, real-world variables and 
> find some sort of correlation between them; that doesn't mean that there is 
> any causative factor between those variables values - random is random.
> 
> As for "programmers who use spaces get paid more than programmers who use 
> tabs", here are a few more for you
> 
> - there is a direct, linear correlation between
>   {US spending on science, space and technology}
>   and
>   {suicides by hanging, strangulation and suffocation}. 
> - there is a direct, linear correlation between
>   {the number of people who drowned by falling into a pool}
>   and
>   {films that Nicholas Cage appeared in}
> 
> http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Your example involved a third factor common to both.  Now you seem to be 
trying to deny that programmers' incomes have any dependency on their work 
habits.

Sorry, but you're coming across as someone who doesn't really think too 
much about what he says.

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#7849

"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> In article <_9B1B.213777$gM7.90022@fx44.am4>, per.s.sandberg@bahnhof.se 
> says...
>> 
>> This makes perfect sense !
>> 
>> But this is the same class of statistics that tells you that milk is 
>> causing accidents since the number of children in injured in car 
>> accidents in an area is direct proportional to the consumption of milk 
>> in the same area.
>
> OK, so tell us what is the third factor that results in programmers who use 
> spaces being paid more than programmers who use tabs.

IQ

Higher IQ makes you use spaces instead of tabs.
Higher IQ also makes you get paid more.



-- 
__Pascal J. Bourguignon
http://www.informatimago.com

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#7850

On 2017-06-19, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> In article <_9B1B.213777$gM7.90022@fx44.am4>, per.s.sandberg@bahnhof.se 
>> says...
>>> 
>>> This makes perfect sense !
>>> 
>>> But this is the same class of statistics that tells you that milk is 
>>> causing accidents since the number of children in injured in car 
>>> accidents in an area is direct proportional to the consumption of milk 
>>> in the same area.
>>
>> OK, so tell us what is the third factor that results in programmers who use 
>> spaces being paid more than programmers who use tabs.
>
> IQ
>
> Higher IQ makes you use spaces instead of tabs.
> Higher IQ also makes you get paid more.
>
>
>

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#7851

On 2017-06-19, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> In article <_9B1B.213777$gM7.90022@fx44.am4>, per.s.sandberg@bahnhof.se 
>> says...
>>> 
>>> This makes perfect sense !
>>> 
>>> But this is the same class of statistics that tells you that milk is 
>>> causing accidents since the number of children in injured in car 
>>> accidents in an area is direct proportional to the consumption of milk 
>>> in the same area.
>>
>> OK, so tell us what is the third factor that results in programmers who use 
>> spaces being paid more than programmers who use tabs.
>
> IQ
>
> Higher IQ makes you use spaces instead of tabs.
> Higher IQ also makes you get paid more.

If it has anything to do with IQ, it probably works the other way around.

Programmers are grossly overpaid (by their employer).
The lower the IQ of the employer, the more the programmer gets overpaid.

Apparently, employers who employ tab-bangers are smarter than
employers who employ space-bangers.

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#7861

On 19/6/2017 1:50 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
>>
>> OK, so tell us what is the third factor that results in programmers who use
>> spaces being paid more than programmers who use tabs.
> 
> IQ

Why not spy activities? The sole purpose of the news story was to attack 
real programmers? ;)

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#7864

On 6/18/17, 4:03 PM, in article
MPG.33b0d0e32e40d66b98ad93@news.eternal-september.org, "J. Clarke"
<j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <_9B1B.213777$gM7.90022@fx44.am4>, per.s.sandberg@bahnhof.se
> says...
>> 
>> This makes perfect sense !
>> 
>> But this is the same class of statistics that tells you that milk is
>> causing accidents since the number of children in injured in car
>> accidents in an area is direct proportional to the consumption of milk
>> in the same area.
> 
> OK, so tell us what is the third factor that results in programmers who use
> spaces being paid more than programmers who use tabs.

Could be programmers of certain ages or from different sources of education
learn one or the other method.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#7852

On 19/6/2017 4:13 AM, Per Sandberg wrote:
> This makes perfect sense !
> 
> But this is the same class of statistics that tells you that milk is 
> causing accidents since the number of children in injured in car 
> accidents in an area is direct proportional to the consumption of milk 
> in the same area.

Personally speaking, hard spaces is better than tabs (white spaces). You 
never how other programmers set up their tab width.

-- 
   @~@   Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!!
  / v \  Simplicity is Beauty!
/( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you!
   ^ ^   (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10)  Linux 2.6.39.3
不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA):
http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa

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#7846

On 6/18/2017 6:45 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> 
> Computer programmers who use spaces as part of their coding earn $15,370 
> (£12,000) more per year than those who use tabs, a survey of developers 
> has revealed.
> 
> Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40302410>
> 
> The survey found the salary difference stretched across different 
> languages, countries and experience levels.
> 
> The debate over whether it is better to use spaces or tabs to indent 
> code has raged among programmers for years.
> 
> Indents act like paragraph markers and help define how programs work.
> 
> The result was "surprising," said David Robinson, data scientist at 
> Stack Overflow which carried out the survey of 12,400 developers.
> 
> 'Pepsi or Coke question'
> 
> ... more ....
> 
> Whether tabs or spaces were used could have an impact, he said, when 
> hand-written code was turned into working software. This process is 
> handled by a separate program called an interpreter or compiler. Some of 
> these can crash if they encounter something, such as a tab, when they 
> were only expecting spaces.
> 
> Professional developers typically set up their coding editor to use 
> either tabs or spaces to show the relationships between functional 
> elements, he said. Code can get harder to read if viewed in an editor 
> expecting tabs and getting spaces or vice versa.
> 

What about setting up the single press of the tab key to insert n 
spaces? ;^)

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#7848

In article <oi78k3$hb4$1@dont-email.me>, invalid@invalid.invalid says...
> 
> On 6/18/2017 6:45 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> > 
> > Computer programmers who use spaces as part of their coding earn $15,370 
> > (£12,000) more per year than those who use tabs, a survey of developers 
> > has revealed.
> > 
> > Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40302410>
> > 
> > The survey found the salary difference stretched across different 
> > languages, countries and experience levels.
> > 
> > The debate over whether it is better to use spaces or tabs to indent 
> > code has raged among programmers for years.
> > 
> > Indents act like paragraph markers and help define how programs work.
> > 
> > The result was "surprising," said David Robinson, data scientist at 
> > Stack Overflow which carried out the survey of 12,400 developers.
> > 
> > 'Pepsi or Coke question'
> > 
> > ... more ....
> > 
> > Whether tabs or spaces were used could have an impact, he said, when 
> > hand-written code was turned into working software. This process is 
> > handled by a separate program called an interpreter or compiler. Some of 
> > these can crash if they encounter something, such as a tab, when they 
> > were only expecting spaces.
> > 
> > Professional developers typically set up their coding editor to use 
> > either tabs or spaces to show the relationships between functional 
> > elements, he said. Code can get harder to read if viewed in an editor 
> > expecting tabs and getting spaces or vice versa.
> > 
> 
> What about setting up the single press of the tab key to insert n 
> spaces? ;^)

That's what he said.

However generally speaking an editor that is set up to insert tabs has no 
problem _displaying_ code that was indented with spaces.

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#7862

On 6/18/2017 7:23 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <oi78k3$hb4$1@dont-email.me>, invalid@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>> On 6/18/2017 6:45 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>
>>> Computer programmers who use spaces as part of their coding earn $15,370
>>> (£12,000) more per year than those who use tabs, a survey of developers
>>> has revealed.
>>>
>>> Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40302410>
>>>
>>> The survey found the salary difference stretched across different
>>> languages, countries and experience levels.
>>>
>>> The debate over whether it is better to use spaces or tabs to indent
>>> code has raged among programmers for years.
>>>
>>> Indents act like paragraph markers and help define how programs work.
>>>
>>> The result was "surprising," said David Robinson, data scientist at
>>> Stack Overflow which carried out the survey of 12,400 developers.
>>>
>>> 'Pepsi or Coke question'
>>>
>>> ... more ....
>>>
>>> Whether tabs or spaces were used could have an impact, he said, when
>>> hand-written code was turned into working software. This process is
>>> handled by a separate program called an interpreter or compiler. Some of
>>> these can crash if they encounter something, such as a tab, when they
>>> were only expecting spaces.
>>>
>>> Professional developers typically set up their coding editor to use
>>> either tabs or spaces to show the relationships between functional
>>> elements, he said. Code can get harder to read if viewed in an editor
>>> expecting tabs and getting spaces or vice versa.
>>>
>>
>> What about setting up the single press of the tab key to insert n
>> spaces? ;^)
> 
> That's what he said.
> 
> However generally speaking an editor that is set up to insert tabs has no
> problem _displaying_ code that was indented with spaces.
> 
> 

For some reason I was thinking of the following video clip from the 
Silicon Valley series on HBO:

https://youtu.be/SsoOG6ZeyUI

This person actually presses the damn space key n times, where n is the 
number of spaces. WOW!

;^)

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#7863

In article <oi997u$efv$2@dont-email.me>, invalid@invalid.invalid says...
> 
> On 6/18/2017 7:23 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article <oi78k3$hb4$1@dont-email.me>, invalid@invalid.invalid says...
> >>
> >> On 6/18/2017 6:45 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Computer programmers who use spaces as part of their coding earn $15,370
> >>> (£12,000) more per year than those who use tabs, a survey of developers
> >>> has revealed.
> >>>
> >>> Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40302410>
> >>>
> >>> The survey found the salary difference stretched across different
> >>> languages, countries and experience levels.
> >>>
> >>> The debate over whether it is better to use spaces or tabs to indent
> >>> code has raged among programmers for years.
> >>>
> >>> Indents act like paragraph markers and help define how programs work.
> >>>
> >>> The result was "surprising," said David Robinson, data scientist at
> >>> Stack Overflow which carried out the survey of 12,400 developers.
> >>>
> >>> 'Pepsi or Coke question'
> >>>
> >>> ... more ....
> >>>
> >>> Whether tabs or spaces were used could have an impact, he said, when
> >>> hand-written code was turned into working software. This process is
> >>> handled by a separate program called an interpreter or compiler. Some of
> >>> these can crash if they encounter something, such as a tab, when they
> >>> were only expecting spaces.
> >>>
> >>> Professional developers typically set up their coding editor to use
> >>> either tabs or spaces to show the relationships between functional
> >>> elements, he said. Code can get harder to read if viewed in an editor
> >>> expecting tabs and getting spaces or vice versa.
> >>>
> >>
> >> What about setting up the single press of the tab key to insert n
> >> spaces? ;^)
> > 
> > That's what he said.
> > 
> > However generally speaking an editor that is set up to insert tabs has no
> > problem _displaying_ code that was indented with spaces.
> > 
> > 
> 
> For some reason I was thinking of the following video clip from the 
> Silicon Valley series on HBO:
> 
> https://youtu.be/SsoOG6ZeyUI
> 
> This person actually presses the damn space key n times, where n is the 
> number of spaces. WOW!
> 
> ;^)

If the series is all like that I'm glad I never watched it.  There's 
something _wrong_ with that boy.

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#7866

On 6/19/2017 7:19 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <oi997u$efv$2@dont-email.me>, invalid@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>> On 6/18/2017 7:23 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article <oi78k3$hb4$1@dont-email.me>, invalid@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/18/2017 6:45 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Computer programmers who use spaces as part of their coding earn $15,370
>>>>> (£12,000) more per year than those who use tabs, a survey of developers
>>>>> has revealed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40302410>
>>>>>
>>>>> The survey found the salary difference stretched across different
>>>>> languages, countries and experience levels.
>>>>>
>>>>> The debate over whether it is better to use spaces or tabs to indent
>>>>> code has raged among programmers for years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indents act like paragraph markers and help define how programs work.
>>>>>
>>>>> The result was "surprising," said David Robinson, data scientist at
>>>>> Stack Overflow which carried out the survey of 12,400 developers.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Pepsi or Coke question'
>>>>>
>>>>> ... more ....
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether tabs or spaces were used could have an impact, he said, when
>>>>> hand-written code was turned into working software. This process is
>>>>> handled by a separate program called an interpreter or compiler. Some of
>>>>> these can crash if they encounter something, such as a tab, when they
>>>>> were only expecting spaces.
>>>>>
>>>>> Professional developers typically set up their coding editor to use
>>>>> either tabs or spaces to show the relationships between functional
>>>>> elements, he said. Code can get harder to read if viewed in an editor
>>>>> expecting tabs and getting spaces or vice versa.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about setting up the single press of the tab key to insert n
>>>> spaces? ;^)
>>>
>>> That's what he said.
>>>
>>> However generally speaking an editor that is set up to insert tabs has no
>>> problem _displaying_ code that was indented with spaces.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> For some reason I was thinking of the following video clip from the
>> Silicon Valley series on HBO:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/SsoOG6ZeyUI
>>
>> This person actually presses the damn space key n times, where n is the
>> number of spaces. WOW!
>>
>> ;^)
> 
> If the series is all like that I'm glad I never watched it.  There's
> something _wrong_ with that boy.

Lol! The character might be suffering from a bit of Asperger's syndrome.

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#7853

On 19/6/2017 9:19 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
> What about setting up the single press of the tab key to insert n 
> spaces? ;^)

It's called a keyboard macro, well-known in the world computer gaming 
keyboards and mouses. :)

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#7855

On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:47:31 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 19/6/2017 9:19 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> 
>> What about setting up the single press of the tab key to insert n 
>> spaces? ;^)
>
>It's called a keyboard macro, well-known in the world computer gaming 
>keyboards and mouses. :)
>

I seem to recall it being a standard option in the editor our
programmers used, something like "Fill tabs with spaces y/N"


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#7857

On 19/6/2017 7:24 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
>>
>> It's called a keyboard macro, well-known in the world computer gaming
>> keyboards and mouses. :)
> 
> I seem to recall it being a standard option in the editor our
> programmers used, something like "Fill tabs with spaces y/N"

The old way.

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#7858

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:45:16 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

> Computer programmers who use spaces as part of their coding earn $15,370 
> (£12,000) more per year than those who use tabs, a survey of developers 
> has revealed.
> 
> Full story: <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40302410>
> 
> The survey found the salary difference stretched across different 
> languages, countries and experience levels.
> 
> The debate over whether it is better to use spaces or tabs to indent 
> code has raged among programmers for years.
> 
> Indents act like paragraph markers and help define how programs work.
> 
> The result was "surprising," said David Robinson, data scientist at 
> Stack Overflow which carried out the survey of 12,400 developers.
> 
> 'Pepsi or Coke question'
> 
> .... more ....
> 
> Whether tabs or spaces were used could have an impact, he said, when 
> hand-written code was turned into working software. This process is 
> handled by a separate program called an interpreter or compiler. Some of 
> these can crash if they encounter something, such as a tab, when they 
> were only expecting spaces.
> 
> Professional developers typically set up their coding editor to use 
> either tabs or spaces to show the relationships between functional 
> elements, he said. Code can get harder to read if viewed in an editor 
> expecting tabs and getting spaces or vice versa.

Tab characters are annoying. They messes the cursor's column position when
it's being moved up/down and through the middle of the non existing space
which was generated by the tab character.

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