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  how? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-03 15:13 -0700
    Re: how? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-06-03 15:15 -0700
      Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-03 23:21 -0400
        Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-03 21:58 -0700
          Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-04 09:57 -0400
            Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-04 07:44 -0700
              Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-04 11:32 -0400
                Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-04 09:10 -0700
                  Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-04 12:21 -0400
              Re: how? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-06-15 15:57 -0400
          Re: how? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-05 20:40 -0700
            Re: how? Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-06-05 22:45 -0500
            Re: how? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-06-06 07:43 -0400
            Re: how? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-06-06 08:31 -0500
        Re: how? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-04 09:30 -0500
        Re: how? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2011-06-04 19:38 +0100
          Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-04 14:44 -0400
            Re: how? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2011-06-05 12:05 +0100
              Re: how? Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-06-05 15:48 +0100
                Re: how? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2011-06-05 21:56 +0100
              Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-05 10:55 -0400
        Re: how? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2011-06-10 19:44 +0100
          Re: how? Abu Yahya <abu_yahya@invalid.com> - 2011-06-12 00:00 +0530
    Re: how? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-03 18:30 -0500
    Re: how? "robin" <robin51@dodo.mapson.com.au> - 2011-06-04 09:32 +1000
      Re: how? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-03 18:45 -0500
    Re: how? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2011-06-03 16:42 -0700
      Re: how? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-03 18:50 -0500
    Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-03 16:57 -0700
    Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-03 17:01 -0700
      Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-03 17:08 -0700
    Re: how? Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> - 2011-06-03 20:23 -0400
      Re: how? Tevvin <Tevvin@walksincircles.com> - 2011-06-05 11:44 -0500
        Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-05 18:44 -0400
    Re: how? Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-06-03 22:28 -0500
    Re: how? dividebyzer0 <dividebyzer0@gmail.com> - 2011-06-05 00:16 +0000
      Re: how? Gandalf  Parker <gandalf@the.dead.ISP.of.Community.net> - 2011-06-05 12:51 +0000
        Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-05 15:39 -0700
    Re: how? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-05 20:33 -0700
      Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-06 13:40 -0700
        Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-06 15:55 -0700
          Re: how? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-06-06 16:14 -0700
            Re: how? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-06-06 23:52 -0400
            Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-07 12:05 -0700
          Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-07 12:04 -0700
            Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-07 13:17 -0700
              Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-07 16:36 -0400
                Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-07 17:46 -0700
              Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-07 14:02 -0700
                Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-07 17:44 -0700
                  Re: how? your.name@isp.com (Your Name) - 2011-06-08 18:31 +1200
              Re: how? Paul Debrowski <pdebrowski@shitiou.org> - 2011-06-07 21:18 -0400
                Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-11 12:56 -0700
                  Re: how? your.name@isp.com (Your Name) - 2011-06-12 09:30 +1200
                    Re: how? Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> - 2011-06-11 18:44 -0600
    Re: how? AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2011-06-27 06:38 -0700

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#414

In article <NK-dnSGFf8ytpnDQnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

> Oh, and don't forget, California will be letting out a bunch of convicts 
> because the prison system is 'too full', because gummint regs have 
> forced prison costs to skyrocket beyond the level of sanity,

No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating 
victimless crimes, and idiotic mandatory sentencing such as the 
three-strikes law that sends people to jail for life for stealing a pizza.

-- 
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People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#416

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> writes:

> In article <NK-dnSGFf8ytpnDQnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>  Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:
> 
> > Oh, and don't forget, California will be letting out a bunch of convicts 
> > because the prison system is 'too full', because gummint regs have 
> > forced prison costs to skyrocket beyond the level of sanity,
> 
> No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating 
> victimless crimes, and idiotic mandatory sentencing such as the 
> three-strikes law that sends people to jail for life for stealing a
> pizza.

Having the facts on your side never helps when you're arguing with
someone who thinks it's cutesy to write "gummint."

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#417

> Having the facts on your side never helps when you're arguing with
> someone who thinks it's cutesy to write "gummint."

"I suppose he would make a decent Congressman, even if he does spell
government 'gummint.'  Teachers and lawyers ought to know how to
spell; not so much soldiers and congressmen."

    Maj. James A. Connelly, in a letter to his wife during the Civil War
(he was a lawyer before and after being a soldier)

-- 
Wes Groleau

   There are two types of people in the world …
   http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett?itemid=1157

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#425

On 06/06/11 16:14, Doug Anderson so wittily quipped:
> Having the facts on your side never helps when you're arguing with
> someone who thinks it's cutesy to write "gummint."

'gummint' aka 'gums everything up'.  Nothing like a gummint to gum up 
the works, keep people from advancing, hold you in your place, control, 
big nanny, etc.

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#424

On 06/06/11 15:55, Michelle Steiner so wittily quipped:
> In article<NK-dnSGFf8ytpnDQnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>   Big Bad Bob<BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>  wrote:
>
>> Oh, and don't forget, California will be letting out a bunch of convicts
>> because the prison system is 'too full', because gummint regs have
>> forced prison costs to skyrocket beyond the level of sanity,
>
> No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating
> victimless crimes

you mean drug use, right?  I would be all for _NOT_ prosecuting people 
for crimes 'against themselves'.  That's stupid, really.  Let people do 
whatever they want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.  And no 
publically-funded 'enabling' these people either (I think the latter 
drives the former, public funds that enable these idiots to harm 
themselves, and 'no no you can't do that to yourself' laws that put them 
in prison for it - both are wrong).

> and idiotic mandatory sentencing such as the three-strikes law

if you're stupid enough to commit enough crimes to get sent up for 3 
strikes, capital punishment would be a better sentence, IMBO.  "Get out 
of the gene pool" I say.  FYI stealing pizza isn't a felony, and 3 
strike laws generally require 3 FELONIES, so it has to be so bad that 
the lawyers can't plea-bargain it down.

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#428

In article <boqdna1KsaHF63PQnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

> > No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating 
> > victimless crimes
> 
> you mean drug use, right? 

Among other things.

>  FYI stealing pizza isn't a felony,

In some circumstances, it can be, and some prosecutors have prosecuted just 
that crime as a felony.

<http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/10/local/la-me-pizzathief10-2010feb10>

How about this one, in which a guy was given a life sentence for three 
convictions of fraud, totaling about $230?

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummel_v._Estelle>

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#429

On 2011-06-07 16:17 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article<boqdna1KsaHF63PQnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>   Big Bad Bob<BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>  wrote:
>
>>> No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating
>>> victimless crimes
>>
>> you mean drug use, right?
>
> Among other things.
>
>>   FYI stealing pizza isn't a felony,
>
> In some circumstances, it can be, and some prosecutors have prosecuted just
> that crime as a felony.
>
> <http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/10/local/la-me-pizzathief10-2010feb10>
>
> How about this one, in which a guy was given a life sentence for three
> convictions of fraud, totaling about $230?
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummel_v._Estelle>

         THE word commonly used to describe a politician who publicly
         announces he wants to send fewer criminals to prison
         is “loser".

                      - The Economist, 2011.05.26


Nonetheless, in that edition there is an article about how some US 
states are taking a fresh look at the high cost of incarceration, better 
education and followup programs, etc. and finding that it's much cheaper 
to society to keep the less dangerous criminals out of prison.

-- 
gmail originated posts filtered due to spam.

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#433

In article <qoGdnU0s6bshFnPQnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Nonetheless, in that edition there is an article about how some US 
> states are taking a fresh look at the high cost of incarceration, better 
> education and followup programs, etc. and finding that it's much cheaper 
> to society to keep the less dangerous criminals out of prison.

That's been obvious for years; politicians are only now acknowledging the 
fact, though.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#430

On 06/07/11 13:17, Michelle Steiner so wittily quipped:
> In article<boqdna1KsaHF63PQnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>   Big Bad Bob<BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>  wrote:
>
>>> No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating
>>> victimless crimes
>>
>> you mean drug use, right?
>
> Among other things.
>
>>   FYI stealing pizza isn't a felony,
>
> In some circumstances, it can be, and some prosecutors have prosecuted just
> that crime as a felony.
>
> <http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/10/local/la-me-pizzathief10-2010feb10>
>
> How about this one, in which a guy was given a life sentence for three
> convictions of fraud, totaling about $230?
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummel_v._Estelle>
>

their lawyers must really have sucked.  And of course there must be 
others (that deserved life sentences) who 'walked' (similar injustice).

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#432

In article <g8SdndLlXPB_DHPQnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

> > How about this one, in which a guy was given a life sentence for three 
> > convictions of fraud, totaling about $230?
> >
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummel_v._Estelle>
> >
> 
> their lawyers must really have sucked.  And of course there must be 
> others (that deserved life sentences) who 'walked' (similar injustice).

Lawyers who argue before the Supreme Court rarely, if ever, suck.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#435

In article <michelle-16EB46.17445507062011@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <g8SdndLlXPB_DHPQnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>  Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:
> 
> > > How about this one, in which a guy was given a life sentence for three 
> > > convictions of fraud, totaling about $230?
> > >
> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummel_v._Estelle>
> > >
> > 
> > their lawyers must really have sucked.  And of course there must be 
> > others (that deserved life sentences) who 'walked' (similar injustice).
> 
> Lawyers who argue before the Supreme Court rarely, if ever, suck.

ALL lawyers suck ... their clients' wallets dry.   :-(

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#434

Le 2011-06-07 16:17, Michelle Steiner a écrit :
> In article<boqdna1KsaHF63PQnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>   Big Bad Bob<BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>  wrote:
>
>>> No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating
>>> victimless crimes
>>
>> you mean drug use, right?
>
> Among other things.

Steiner, I hope you haven't killfiled this nick yet, because, here, we 
really agree.

I was once called to be an eventual member of a jury. I wasn't chosen 
but, since I was there, I decided to stay to hear at least the first day 
of proceedings.

A 50 years old man was living with his mother, who had a concubine. 
Alcohol helping, discussions warmed up, he grabbed an ice pick and 
stabbed the concubine. All 3 where so ashamed to be in court that no 
sentence was really needed. But attempted murder doesn't go unnoticed 
and, for sure, there was one.

Here, in Quebec, a doctor killed both his young children and tried to 
suicide because he got into a fit when he learned that his spouse had an 
affair with another man.

And that's without speaking about people who, having been raised on the 
streets, have not much option left than to deal on the street.

Most cases in court are not reason for avenging but for compassion, and 
an invitation to reflect on the misery our society produces despite all 
the means at hand.

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#465

On 06/07/11 18:18, Paul Debrowski so wittily quipped:
> Most cases in court are not reason for avenging but for compassion, and
> an invitation to reflect on the misery our society produces despite all
> the means at hand.

for every person willing to show compassion, there are many more who are 
willing to milk it for all it's worth (until compassion runs dry, for 
the obvious reasons).  I dried up long ago.  nuke me 'till they glow, 
then shoot 'em in the dark.  works for me.

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#466

In article <8MudnXgySODnVW7QnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Big Bad Bob
<BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

> On 06/07/11 18:18, Paul Debrowski so wittily quipped:
> > Most cases in court are not reason for avenging but for compassion, and
> > an invitation to reflect on the misery our society produces despite all
> > the means at hand.
> 
> for every person willing to show compassion, there are many more who are 
> willing to milk it for all it's worth (until compassion runs dry, for 
> the obvious reasons).  I dried up long ago.  nuke me 'till they glow, 
> then shoot 'em in the dark.  works for me.

Yep. The problem is that there's far too much weak-kneed "compassion" in
the western legal / justice system. In most cases sentencing is little
more than a slap on the writs with a wet tissue, and such idiotic lenient
sentencing is always at the expense of the victim's of the crime and often
the rest of the general public as well.

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#467

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 09:30:57 +1200, your.name@isp.com (Your Name)
wrote:

>Yep. The problem is that there's far too much weak-kneed "compassion" in
>the western legal / justice system. In most cases sentencing is little
>more than a slap on the writs with a wet tissue, and such idiotic lenient
>sentencing is always at the expense of the victim's of the crime and often
>the rest of the general public as well.

Especially for the powerful.

But paying to incarcerate a petty thief can be way more expensive than
it's worth.

-- 
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace 
to the legislature, and not to the executive department." 

- James Madison

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#544

On Jun 4, 1:13 am, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There was a recent news item, an Apple Mac was
> stolen.  He had anti-theft software installed, which
> snapped pictures at regular intervals through the webcam.
>
> Then it said he activated the program remotely,
> to send him the pictures, and the thief was eventually
> caught.
>
> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this
> 'remote control'?  Like,  he sent a virus to the machine,
> or what?
>
software combined with an idiot who does not know what [duct] tape is
for.

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