Re: Camiel talks about OpenVMS x86 V9.2.-4

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From	cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
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Subject	Re: Camiel talks about OpenVMS x86 V9.2.-4
Date	Thu, 2 Apr 2026 11:19:26 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <69cddd17$0$676$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
Arne Vajhøj  <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>On 4/1/2026 10:12 PM, David Goodwin wrote:
>> In article <69cdb5bf$0$676$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, arne@vajhoej.dk
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2026 3:16 PM, David Goodwin wrote:
>>>> In article <10ps6eh$ei2s$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>> clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP says...
>>>>> I wonder if anyone will complain about the removal of the telnet server ?
>>>>
>>>> A little disappointing - its the only telnet server I've encountered
>>>> that will actually try to negotiate a terminal type with the client.
>>>
>>> Is it important?
>>>
>>> I would expect either SYLOGIN/LOGIN to do a
>>> SET TERM/INQ or an application explicit send
>>> <CSI>c or <ESC>[c and parse the <CSI>6nc or
>>> <ESC>[6nc response to get n (VTn00).
>> 
>> Not important at all, just a surprising thing to see happen. Set Kermit
>> 95 to emulate something completely foreign to OpenVMS (DG Dasher 200,
>> Linux console terminal, whatever), telnet to an OpenVMS box, then watch
>> Kermit 95 start iterating through its terminal emulations until it finds
>> one OpenVMS recognises before you ever get to the login prompt.
>> 
>> As for probing the terminal to figure out what it is, that only helps if
>> what it is turns out to be is something OpenVMS can work with. Sending
>> it a <CSI>c starts out with the assumption you're dealing with something
>> vaguely ANSI-shaped, and IIRC the standard says nothing about what the
>> response should be so its possible any answer you get may be unhelpful.
>> 
>> Of course the solution to all of this is to just set your terminal
>> emulator to VT320 or similar when pointing it at OpenVMS if you want
>> things to work. No need for the telnet client and server to come to some
>> sort of agreement.
>
>Trying to use anything not VT100+ with VMS is going to be limited.
>I would not even want to use anything not VT200+.
>
>EDT in line mode should work with anything. But ...
>
>:-)

EDT in line mode works amazingly well over AX.25 packet radio.

	- Dan C.

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