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Re: Python 3.3 to Drop Support for OS/2, Windows 2000, and VMS.

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 >> Not to mention that GPutils seemed to be aimed at nobody, given
 >> the maintained directory structure and e.g. the configuration 
files
 >> (as if every user is a porter and is going to port v0.13.7 for the
third
 >> time).

 > It might be useful to have a site that lists things needing to be 
 > ported.

I'm afraid people tend to use the sourceforge.net-search system (e.g. 
no GUI, easy textmode, C/C++) as if that's a treasure house, we use 
OS/2 as if it's Linux, and somehow the complicated ObjectRexx 3.x.x 
package doesn't count as one of the portable texmode apps written in 
C/C++. 

 > Of course it's always possible there is such a system already and
 > I'm just clueless.

It seems the subject, Python, is extremely important for many users 
(of a webbrowser, certainly not programmers using Python as such). 

Possible problems from an user's point of view w.r.t ported software: 
unneeded directory structures are maintained (we're not using Linux, 
but should we switch to Linux instead?!), not removing a zillion 
unneeded files, including source files as if every user will port it 
again, there aren't that many must have-apps, inconsistent versions or
documentation (e.g. X264-20101224-V2.ZIP has a X264.EXE, but the 
near-identical X264-0.115.X.ZIP hasn't, is it now unneeded because KMP
embeds the functionality of X264.EXE?!), ports often seem to be 
supply-driven, unclear versions, no serious UI (e.g. complicated 
*.conf-files or CLI switches), too much dependencies, no installers 
(INSTALL.CMD will do), no OS/2 PM user interface even if such an 
interface would be easy to write (I PM'ified many apps using SAY 
and/or a RxMessageBox, but nowadays PMRexx is broken), unclear 
versions at Hobbes (if A.ZIP and B.ZIP are identical., people actually
will complain to the archiver because one's trying to remove A.ZIP 
then), hard-to-find Netlabs alternatives (e.g. a QT4 *.FLV grabber).  
 

"Porter" isn't a job in this world, but even then it may be more 
worthwhile to improve or to fix or to OS/2'ify existing apps (I've 
done it occasionally). A real example is an OS2 app with available 
source, but also involves to-be-ported libraries: gDiagramm. Minor 
bug: it crashes with certain graph data. Main wish: ability to create 
more than one graph, i.e. load gDiagramm.EXE just once instead of once
per graph using a gDiagram.DLL (but not everybody is a capable 
programmer), or a FILELIST-file with more than one graph data file. It
may require a few adjustments: add a feature, use new versions of the 
ported  libraries. But honestly I may be the one and only 
gDiagramm-voter. Other silly examples, based on existing software 
(i.e. it's like porting): replace the default German words embedded in
HangMan/2's *.EXE (quite easy patch), or start with PM programming by 
fixing RollBall. And so on.

OTOH software can be supply-driven by looking at existing apps. Or 
apps that don't exist (e.g. a bloody obvious eCenter widget, 
displaying a stock exchange index). Made-up example: Voix (yes: 
sourceforge, no GUI, textmode, C) removes voices from WAV files. Does 
that make sense in our world, or is it the same as having a golden 
microphone in an empty sound recording studio? Do we also have 
software to add the vocals back, edit *.WAVS's, and so on? There more 
often the answer to such questions is "no", the more likely it is the 
port won't have that many real users. And my "friends" may use the 
Windows-version instead of my unknown OS. If the answer if "no" 
frequently, fixing/improving an ancient, silly OS/2 game may score 
better on a list of time-waisting efforts. Or help another porter by 
proting the subject, Python, with zero explicit users but with an 
awful lot of implied users.

Just my $0.02.


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