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Re: formatting to FAT32

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Hi/2.

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
>> Anyway, I did not release the 0.9.14 because it has not any
>> enhancements for end-users, but just for developers.
>>
> 
> Well that's clearly wrong, given that it contains something that will,
> you tell us, make programs work for end users in this case.  (-:  

Do you think that end users want to know API changes of FAT32.IFS ?
Oh, amazing. ^____^
Your end users seem to have very powerful ability. BTW, I call them
developers.

> Do you
> have a binary of your not-for-end-users FAT32.IFS so that the end-users
> can install it and see whether it fixes the DosSetFilePtr() problem for
> them?  I'm expecting it not to, looking at the code changes that you've
> made, to be honest.  You don't appear to have touched anything in the
> ordinary, standard, "raw" path.  But we'll only find out one way or the
> other if some of those end users actually get to test this modification.
> 

This is just to proof that you don't know anything about IFS programming.

As I said before, the cause is 'overflow' of a 32bit size variable. You
don't understand ?

And do you think that I committed the changeset to the public repository
without any checking ? Please stop kidding...

If you read the changeset carefully, you could know that it enabled DASD
IO only if the volume size is less than 2GB. Otherwise, any Read/Write
request encounters 'Access Denied' until a user change the io mode of
FAT32 to sector io one explicitly.

Finally, of course, I have the binary that you're saying
'not-for-end-users FAT32.IFS'.

I don't understand the reason why you would not believe the changeset of
the public repository.

>> In addition, FAT32.IFS already has a good replacement for DASD IO.
>>
> 
> To think that that's a "good replacement" is entirely muddled.  It's
> neither good nor a replacement.  We don't *want* filesystem-specific
> replacements for a standard OS/2 4.5 mechanism.  We want the
> operating-system-supplied mechanism that the 4.5 Toolkit documents to
> *work*.  As the 4.5 Toolkit doco says, there's a "new" (for 1999)
> mechanism for handily reading volumes without having to care what the
> filesystem type is or perform *any* filesystem-specific gyrations.  We
> have, the Toolkit doco tells us, "common file system APIs" that provide
> us with a "greatly simplified migration path for applications".  (And it
> *is* greatly simplified, there's no doubt about it.)  It's entirely
> backwards and muddled to work in the direction of "replacing" that with
> something that requires undocumented you-have-to-be-in-on-the-secret
> filesystem-specific gyrations.  That's not improvement.  That's going
> backwards to the situation that existed before.  Where "before" is
> "before 1999", moreover.
> 

Hmmm... Why should OS/2 v4.5 be the standard ? I hope that FAT32.IFS can
be used on Warp4 and Warp3 if possible. In addition, I love the backward
compatibility of OS/2. BTW what do you mean by 'new' mechanism ? "L"
APIs ? Or just DosOpen()/DosRead()/DosWrite()/DosSetFilePtr()/DosClose()
APIs ? DASD access using Dos APIs is a traditional way not new from OS/2
v4.5.

And what do you think about FAT and HPFS ? Do they satisfy your needs ?
I can say that they also will not work with Dos APIs on the area over
4GB of those partitions.

I think that you don't understand what is a replacement and is a
improvement. Ok. Let's call it the difference of point of view.

Finally, FAT32.IFS itself is a 16bits driver. So it is useless just to
add "L" entry points without fundamental changes of the driver model.
However, I know, Lars had a plan to support "L" entry points. But I
don't know the result. Frankly, I don't think that FAT32.IFS should
support "L" entry points because FAT32 file system itself is a 32bit
file system and the current FAT32.IFS implements it enough except
support for files whose size is 2GB from 4GB, and for DASD IO to the
volumes bigger than 2GB. For the volume bigger than 2GB, the sector io
should be set.

I say once more. If you think the ways of FAT32.IFS are not good, just
do not use them.

I don't want to waste my time to useless debates.

-- 
KO Myung-Hun

Using Mozilla SeaMonkey 2.0.11
Under OS/2 Warp 4 for Korean with FixPak #15
On AMD ThunderBird 1GHz with 512 MB RAM

Korean OS/2 User Community : http://www.ecomstation.co.kr

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Re: formatting to FAT32 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-03-31 23:30 +0100
  Re: formatting to FAT32 Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org> - 2011-03-31 23:16 +0000
    Re: formatting to FAT32 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-01 02:11 +0100
      Re: formatting to FAT32 KO Myung-Hun <komh@chollian.net> - 2011-04-01 21:56 +0900
        Re: formatting to FAT32 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-01 19:37 +0100
          Re: formatting to FAT32 "Allan" <allan2@warpspeed.dyndns.dk> - 2011-04-02 10:21 +0200
            Re: formatting to FAT32 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-02 15:16 +0100
              Re: formatting to FAT32 Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org> - 2011-04-02 21:49 +0000
                Re: formatting to FAT32 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-03 02:17 +0100
                Re: formatting to FAT32 Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org> - 2011-04-03 09:17 +0000
                Re: formatting to FAT32 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-03 19:51 +0100
              Re: formatting to FAT32 "Allan" <allan2@warpspeed.dyndns.dk> - 2011-04-03 00:12 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-03 01:50 +0100
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2011-04-02 22:33 -0700
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-03 19:32 +0100
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2011-04-03 14:04 -0700
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Steve Wendt <spamsux@forgetit.org> - 2011-04-03 15:51 -0700
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "Allan" <allan2@warpspeed.dyndns.dk> - 2011-04-04 01:24 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-04 11:22 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2011-04-04 16:44 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2011-04-04 09:03 -0700
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-05 17:15 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2011-04-05 16:29 -0700
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-11 04:16 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2011-04-10 19:28 -0700
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                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-11 07:07 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-11 07:25 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-25 12:20 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-11 02:34 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "Alex Taylor" <mail.me@reply.to.address> - 2011-04-04 09:51 -0500
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-05 19:51 +0100
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2011-04-05 16:34 -0700
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "Andy" <nospam-abwillis1-nopspam@nospam-gmail.com> - 2011-04-06 01:05 +0000
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "Alex Taylor" <mail.me@reply.to.address> - 2011-04-08 04:24 -0500
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Paul Ratcliffe <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> - 2011-04-08 11:49 +0000
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "Alex Taylor" <mail.me@reply.to.address> - 2011-04-10 01:26 -0500
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-08 21:03 +0100
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "Alex Taylor" <mail.me@reply.to.address> - 2011-04-10 01:25 -0500
                Re: Is JFS really open source? Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2011-04-10 00:42 -0700
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "Allan" <allan2@warpspeed.dyndns.dk> - 2011-04-10 21:31 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-10 23:37 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-10 11:37 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-10 22:42 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-11 00:21 +0200
                Re: Is JFS really open source? "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-11 01:15 +0200
              Re: Does JFS work on OS/2 version 4.0 and earlier? Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-03 22:29 +0100
                Re: Does JFS work on OS/2 version 4.0 and earlier? "Allan" <allan2@warpspeed.dyndns.dk> - 2011-04-04 01:31 +0200
                Re: Does JFS work on OS/2 version 4.0 and earlier? Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-04 11:31 +0100
              Re: formatting to FAT32 Lars Erdmann <lars.erdmann@arcor.de> - 2011-04-04 20:57 +0200
                Re: formatting to FAT32 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-05 15:09 +0100
                Re: formatting to FAT32 Lars Erdmann <lars.erdmann@arcor.de> - 2011-04-06 08:07 +0200
          Re: formatting to FAT32 KO Myung-Hun <komh@chollian.net> - 2011-04-02 22:13 +0900
            Re: formatting to FAT32 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-02 18:59 +0100
              Re: formatting to FAT32 KO Myung-Hun <komh@chollian.net> - 2011-04-03 14:51 +0900
                Re: formatting to FAT32 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-03 22:00 +0100
                Re: formatting to FAT32 KO Myung-Hun <komh@chollian.net> - 2011-04-04 22:19 +0900
                Re: formatting to FAT32 "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind> - 2011-04-04 16:51 +0200
                Re: formatting to FAT32 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-06 18:20 +0100
                Re: formatting to FAT32 "Andy" <nospam-abwillis1-nopspam@nospam-gmail.com> - 2011-04-05 15:42 +0000
                Re: formatting to FAT32 "Allan" <allan2@warpspeed.dyndns.dk> - 2011-04-05 20:08 +0200
                Re: formatting to FAT32 "Andy" <nospam-abwillis1-nopspam@nospam-gmail.com> - 2011-04-05 22:49 +0000
                Re: formatting to FAT32 "Allan" <allan2@warpspeed.dyndns.dk> - 2011-04-06 01:23 +0200
                Re: formatting to FAT32 "Andy" <nospam-abwillis1-nopspam@nospam-gmail.com> - 2011-04-06 01:10 +0000
            Re: formatting to FAT32 Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org> - 2011-04-02 22:00 +0000
              Re: formatting to FAT32 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2011-04-03 02:32 +0100

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