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| Started by | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| First post | 2023-11-17 15:02 +0200 |
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Windows 32-bit Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2023-11-17 15:02 +0200
Re: Windows 32-bit Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-11-17 14:06 +0100
Re: Windows 32-bit Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2023-11-17 11:37 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-11-17 18:04 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-11-18 19:28 +1100
Re: Windows 32-bit John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2023-11-18 10:13 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-11-18 22:49 +1100
Re: Windows 32-bit Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2023-11-18 13:28 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2023-11-19 08:55 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-11-19 23:01 +1100
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-11-19 12:58 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2023-11-19 10:44 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 11:32 -0800
Re: Windows 32-bit John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2023-11-19 21:38 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-11-20 20:40 +1100
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-11-20 10:07 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-11-21 00:26 +1100
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-11-20 14:11 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-11-21 20:20 +1100
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-11-21 10:08 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-11-21 23:15 +1100
Re: Windows 32-bit John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2023-11-20 18:23 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2023-11-20 23:00 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-11-21 10:12 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2023-11-21 20:59 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-11-22 05:02 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2023-11-22 02:38 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2023-11-22 10:11 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2023-11-22 23:08 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-11-22 10:28 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-11-22 10:12 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-11-21 20:22 +1100
Re: Windows 32-bit Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2023-11-20 14:45 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2023-11-18 11:37 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2023-11-18 15:00 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-11-18 20:38 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2023-11-19 08:57 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-11-19 20:00 +1100
Re: Windows 32-bit Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2023-11-19 10:47 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-11-18 13:10 -0800
Re: Windows 32-bit John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2023-11-19 09:00 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 13:45 -0800
Re: Windows 32-bit John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2023-11-20 08:46 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2023-11-19 06:12 +0200
Re: Windows 32-bit Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2023-11-19 10:54 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-11-17 13:36 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit GlowingBlueMist <zapbot@truely.invalid> - 2023-11-17 09:05 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2023-11-19 06:43 +0200
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-11-19 11:28 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-11-17 16:16 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2023-11-19 07:01 +0200
Re: Windows 32-bit Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-11-19 19:34 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2023-12-29 09:49 +0200
Re: Windows 32-bit Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-29 15:27 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-12-29 19:07 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-29 19:56 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Tim Slattery <TimSlattery@utexas.edu> - 2023-12-30 12:10 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-12-30 20:27 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-12-30 23:14 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-12-31 05:12 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-12-31 23:17 +1100
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-12-31 12:37 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-12-31 11:35 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-12-31 19:15 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2023-12-31 14:43 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-01-01 11:25 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-01-01 21:04 +1100
Re: Windows 32-bit Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2023-12-31 14:39 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-12-31 22:11 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit Tim Slattery <TimSlattery@utexas.edu> - 2023-12-29 11:31 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-01-02 13:22 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> - 2023-11-18 06:56 +1300
Re: Windows 32-bit Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2023-11-19 07:07 +0200
Re: Windows 32-bit Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> - 2023-11-19 21:07 +1300
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-11-19 13:52 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2023-12-29 09:54 +0200
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-11-18 06:53 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2023-11-19 07:41 +0200
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-11-19 03:17 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2023-11-19 16:57 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-11-19 13:57 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-11-19 14:21 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2023-11-19 21:22 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-11-19 17:56 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2023-11-19 23:59 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2023-11-20 12:45 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2023-11-20 15:19 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-06-07 00:39 +0100
Re: Windows 32-bit "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2024-06-07 14:50 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-06-07 11:33 -0400
Re: Windows 32-bit Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-06-07 16:50 +0100
Re: Windows 32-bit "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2024-06-08 16:34 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-06-08 18:09 +0100
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Re: Windows 32-bit "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2024-06-11 06:16 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2023-12-29 09:59 +0200
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-11-19 13:32 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2023-11-19 13:59 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2023-12-29 10:07 +0200
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-12-29 04:21 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-12-29 11:56 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2023-12-29 12:26 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-12-29 22:38 -0500
Re: Windows 32-bit "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2023-12-30 08:30 +0000
Re: Windows 32-bit Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2023-12-30 15:26 -0600
Re: Windows 32-bit Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-01-04 17:48 +0200
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| From | Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2023-11-21 23:15 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <uji70s$qrf0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #683 |
J. P. Gilliver wrote on 21/11/23 9:08 pm: > In message <ujhsp1$p740$1@dont-email.me> at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 > 20:20:34, Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes >> J. P. Gilliver wrote on 21/11/23 1:11 am: >>> In message <ujfmq3$auhr$1@dont-email.me> at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 >>> 00:26:27, Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes > [] >>>> GMT used in Communications cycles as well ..... and renamed to >>>> Zulu for Military Communications as well!! >>> I think that originated from GMT being "+0000", or zero offset - >>> and zulu being the international phonetic alphabet for Z. >> >> Correct .... but, in a Military situation, where you could be >> communicating across Time Zones, without actually knowing what the >> originating and destination time zones are, Zulu (i.e. GMT) was >> often the reference Time zone with both ends of the Comms link >> making the appropriate adjustment to 'Local' Time!! >> >> Here in Victoria, Australia (bottom end of the globe!!), we are >> currently in Daylight Savings Time, so would be using 'Lima' time >> references but our 'normal' Time Zone is 'Kilo' > > Interesting: I knew about Z for zero, but didn't know all the other > time zones had a letter too. Yeap .... 26 letters .... drop 'O' and 'I' to limit confusion with '0' and '1' ... leaves you with 24 letters .... for 24 time zones. -- Daniel
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| From | John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2023-11-20 18:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <8FXBwsCxQ6WlFw5z@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #672 |
In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>John Hall wrote on 20/11/23 8:38 am:
>> In message <ujdo3p$3u7fg$1@dont-email.me>, Bob F
>><bobnospam@gmail.com> writes
>
><Snip>
>
>>> So how is that affected by daylight savings time?
>> Not art all, since we are dealing with time as shown on the clock.
>>Even when daylight savings time isn't in force, noon on the clock
>>rarely precisely corresponds to when the sun is due south.
>
>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>south' at Noon!! ;-P
<snip>
Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere?
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)
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| From | Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-11-20 23:00 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #678 |
On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote: >In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65 ><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes >>John Hall wrote on 20/11/23 8:38 am: >>> In message <ujdo3p$3u7fg$1@dont-email.me>, Bob F >>><bobnospam@gmail.com> writes >> >><Snip> >> >>>> So how is that affected by daylight savings time? >>> Not art all, since we are dealing with time as shown on the clock. >>>Even when daylight savings time isn't in force, noon on the clock >>>rarely precisely corresponds to when the sun is due south. >> >>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due >>south' at Noon!! ;-P ><snip> > >Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere? I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would describe the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say it was due south.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2023-11-21 10:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <VVe6AUG+JIXlFw1E@255soft.uk> |
| In reply to | #680 |
In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov 2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes >On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote: > >>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65 >><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes [] >>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due >>>south' at Noon!! ;-P >><snip> >> >>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere? > >I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would describe >the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say it was due >south. > It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN), and then on only two days a year. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf science is not intended to be foolproof. Science is about crawling toward the truth over time. - Scott Adams, 2015-2-2
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| From | Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-11-21 20:59 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ofrqlidg6aftkj03vts05255cvg6uil099@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #684 |
On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:12:14 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov >2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes >>On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65 >>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes >[] >>>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due >>>>south' at Noon!! ;-P >>><snip> >>> >>>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere? >> >>I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would describe >>the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say it was due >>south. >> >It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN), >and then on only two days a year. The nice thing about being well north of there is that the sun is overhead at midday every day of the year. None of this due south business. ;-)
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2023-11-22 05:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ZQfpR0Q7tYXlFw0j@255soft.uk> |
| In reply to | #686 |
In message <ofrqlidg6aftkj03vts05255cvg6uil099@4ax.com> at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:59:33, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes >On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:12:14 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: > >>In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov >>2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes >>>On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall >>><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65 >>>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes >>[] >>>>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due >>>>>south' at Noon!! ;-P >>>><snip> >>>> >>>>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere? >>> >>>I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would >>>describe >>>the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say it was due >>>south. >>> >>It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN), >>and then on only two days a year. > >The nice thing about being well north of there is that the sun is overhead at >midday every day of the year. None of this due south business. ;-) > I think you're using the word "overhead" differently to me. Do you mean "above the horizon"? I mean "directly above me", which it never is for anyone not between the two tropics. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You know what the big secret about posh people is? Most of them are lovely. - Richard Osman, RT 2016/7/9-15
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| From | Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-11-22 02:38 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <3merlitvuo7i8a6sjoa9vnjfdglhp6djso@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #687 |
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:02:51 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >In message <ofrqlidg6aftkj03vts05255cvg6uil099@4ax.com> at Tue, 21 Nov >2023 20:59:33, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes >>On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:12:14 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >> >>>In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov >>>2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes >>>>On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall >>>><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65 >>>>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes >>>[] >>>>>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due >>>>>>south' at Noon!! ;-P >>>>><snip> >>>>> >>>>>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere? >>>> >>>>I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would >>>>describe >>>>the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say it was due >>>>south. >>>> >>>It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN), >>>and then on only two days a year. >> >>The nice thing about being well north of there is that the sun is overhead at >>midday every day of the year. None of this due south business. ;-) >> >I think you're using the word "overhead" differently to me. Do you mean >"above the horizon"? I mean "directly above me", which it never is for >anyone not between the two tropics. We're definitely using 'overhead' differently. For me, it's when the sun is approximately at its highest point in the sky for the day. Your usage doesn't make sense to me, and I assume you'd say the same about me/mine.
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| From | John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2023-11-22 10:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <X6649VBkPdXlFwma@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #688 |
In message <3merlitvuo7i8a6sjoa9vnjfdglhp6djso@4ax.com>, Char Jackson
<none@none.invalid> writes
>On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:02:51 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <ofrqlidg6aftkj03vts05255cvg6uil099@4ax.com> at Tue, 21 Nov
>>2023 20:59:33, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>>>On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:12:14 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov
>>>>2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>>>>>On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall
>>>>><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>>>>>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>>>>[]
>>>>>>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>>>>>>>south' at Noon!! ;-P
>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would
>>>>>describe
>>>>>the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say
>>>>>it was due
>>>>>south.
>>>>>
>>>>It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN),
>>>>and then on only two days a year.
>>>
>>>The nice thing about being well north of there is that the sun is overhead at
>>>midday every day of the year. None of this due south business. ;-)
>>>
>>I think you're using the word "overhead" differently to me. Do you mean
>>"above the horizon"? I mean "directly above me", which it never is for
>>anyone not between the two tropics.
>
>We're definitely using 'overhead' differently. For me, it's when the sun is
>approximately at its highest point in the sky for the day. Your usage doesn't
>make sense to me, and I assume you'd say the same about me/mine.
>
I'm with the other John on this. Would you say that an aeroplane was
"overhead" if it was merely at its highest angular elevation above your
horizon? Also, even by your definition, if you are north of the Arctic
Circle then the sun won't be "overhead" at midday every day of the year,
as for part of the year it will never be visible.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)
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| From | Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-11-22 23:08 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <bantlit6nul92numlf81qjlleji6jqkh1k@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #689 |
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:11:48 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote: >In message <3merlitvuo7i8a6sjoa9vnjfdglhp6djso@4ax.com>, Char Jackson ><none@none.invalid> writes >>On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:02:51 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >> >>>In message <ofrqlidg6aftkj03vts05255cvg6uil099@4ax.com> at Tue, 21 Nov >>>2023 20:59:33, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes >>>>On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:12:14 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" >>>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>>In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov >>>>>2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes >>>>>>On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall >>>>>><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65 >>>>>>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes >>>>>[] >>>>>>>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due >>>>>>>>south' at Noon!! ;-P >>>>>>><snip> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere? >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would >>>>>>describe >>>>>>the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say >>>>>>it was due >>>>>>south. >>>>>> >>>>>It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN), >>>>>and then on only two days a year. >>>> >>>>The nice thing about being well north of there is that the sun is overhead at >>>>midday every day of the year. None of this due south business. ;-) >>>> >>>I think you're using the word "overhead" differently to me. Do you mean >>>"above the horizon"? I mean "directly above me", which it never is for >>>anyone not between the two tropics. >> >>We're definitely using 'overhead' differently. For me, it's when the sun is >>approximately at its highest point in the sky for the day. Your usage doesn't >>make sense to me, and I assume you'd say the same about me/mine. >> > >I'm with the other John on this. Could be a UK thing, I suppose. >Would you say that an aeroplane was >"overhead" if it was merely at its highest angular elevation above your >horizon? Of course, but it's not necessary to stray away from the example of the sun. Each of us is aware that the sun rises, moves through the sky, and eventually sets. >Also, even by, your definition, if you are north of the Arctic >Circle then the sun won't be "overhead" at midday every day of the year, >as for part of the year it will never be visible. Another stretch.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2023-11-22 10:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <U1B64LTBfdXlFwnD@255soft.uk> |
| In reply to | #688 |
In message <3merlitvuo7i8a6sjoa9vnjfdglhp6djso@4ax.com> at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:38:39, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes [] >We're definitely using 'overhead' differently. For me, it's when the sun is >approximately at its highest point in the sky for the day. Your usage doesn't >make sense to me, and I assume you'd say the same about me/mine. > Ah. Some people add a word - "directly overhead". I'd call your version "at its highest", not "overhead". -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Do ministers do more than lay people?
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-11-22 10:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ujl5oo$1cglm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #690 |
On 11/22/2023 5:28 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > In message <3merlitvuo7i8a6sjoa9vnjfdglhp6djso@4ax.com> at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:38:39, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes > [] >> We're definitely using 'overhead' differently. For me, it's when the sun is >> approximately at its highest point in the sky for the day. Your usage doesn't >> make sense to me, and I assume you'd say the same about me/mine. >> > Ah. Some people add a word - "directly overhead". I'd call your version "at its highest", not "overhead". https://physics.weber.edu/schroeder/ua/sunandseasons.html "If you live at a mid-northern latitude, you always see the noon sun somewhere in the southern sky." There are a few terms like "zenith" and "meridian" on the diagram. https://physics.weber.edu/schroeder/ua/SunOnCelestialSphere.png The stick man in the diagram, is from a country known as Cartesia. And he is just visiting the diagram, and does not live there. Presumably the students in the Weber physics lecture hall, are from Cartesia too. Paul
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| From | Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2023-11-21 20:22 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ujhssl$p740$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #678 |
John Hall wrote on 21/11/23 5:23 am: > In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65 > <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes >> John Hall wrote on 20/11/23 8:38 am: >>> In message <ujdo3p$3u7fg$1@dont-email.me>, Bob F >>> <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes >> >> <Snip> >> >>>> So how is that affected by daylight savings time? >>> Not art all, since we are dealing with time as shown on the clock. >>> Even when daylight savings time isn't in force, noon on the clock >>> rarely precisely corresponds to when the sun is due south. >> >> Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due >> south' at Noon!! ;-P > <snip> > > Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere? Correct!! .... The Great Southern Land .... Australia -- Daniel
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| From | Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-11-20 14:45 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <e3hnli9ur28uo0virgsmhf2hs3vvjvn2e1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #649 |
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 08:55:48 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote: >In message <an3ilitnlcet80mq984nuk8402o61jcjd0@4ax.com>, Char Jackson ><none@none.invalid> writes >>On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 10:13:35 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>In message <uj9sj0$38ddd$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65 >>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes >>>>J. P. Gilliver wrote on 18/11/23 5:04 am: >>>>> In message <sxN5N.46596$AqO5.22600@fx11.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023 >>>>>11:37:28, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> writes [] >>>>>> 38 days until the winter celebration (Monday, December 25, 2023 >>>>>> 12:00 AM for 1 day). >>>>> [] Is "12:00 AM" syntactically valid? >>>> >>>>Surely one of the '12:00' would be 'AM' .... but whether that is >>>>'Midnight' or 'Midday' ..... Pass! >>> >>>I often see references to 12 AM and 12 PM, and I'm sometimes left >>>uncertain as to whether noon or midnight was meant. Use of the 24-hour >>>clock (or simply using the words "noon" and "midnight") avoids any >>>ambiguity. >> >>I don't think I've ever met anyone (until now?) who found 12 AM and 12 PM to be >>ambiguous. Interesting. >> > >AM stands for "ante meridiem" and PM for "post meridiem", i.e. before >and after midday respectively. But 12 noon is neither before nor after, >so logically it should be 12 M. Midnight is both 12 hours before and 12 >hours post, but I suppose it would be more logical to call it 12 PM (or >maybe 0 AM). I think most people learned how to tell time when they were young kids, long before any ambiguity could set in. Learning the difference between 12A and 12P is part of that. It's like learning the difference between a red traffic light and a green one. There's nothing inherently logical about the color assignments, but we learn them and we carry on.
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| From | Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-11-18 11:37 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <xD66N.49188$yvY5.18914@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #631 |
On 11/17/23 12:04, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > In message <sxN5N.46596$AqO5.22600@fx11.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023 > 11:37:28, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> writes > [] >> 38 days until the winter celebration (Monday, December 25, 2023 12:00 AM >> for 1 day). > [] > Is "12:00 AM" syntactically valid? Yes (<hour>:<minute><space><dayperiod>). Its the same thing people call "midnight". -- 37 days until the winter celebration (Monday, December 25, 2023 12:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world." [Bertrand Russell]
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| From | Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> |
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| Date | 2023-11-18 15:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ujb54h$3eeml$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #636 |
On 11/18/2023 12:37 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote: > On 11/17/23 12:04, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> In message <sxN5N.46596$AqO5.22600@fx11.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023 >> 11:37:28, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> writes >> [] >>> 38 days until the winter celebration (Monday, December 25, 2023 12:00 AM >>> for 1 day). >> [] >> Is "12:00 AM" syntactically valid? > > Yes (<hour>:<minute><space><dayperiod>). Its the same thing people call > "midnight". > that is why a military time is 0000 - 2400 and no need for AM/PM
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-11-18 20:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ujbash.p40.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #638 |
In comp.os.ms-windows.misc Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote: > On 11/18/2023 12:37 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote: > > On 11/17/23 12:04, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > >> In message <sxN5N.46596$AqO5.22600@fx11.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023 > >> 11:37:28, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> writes > >> [] > >>> 38 days until the winter celebration (Monday, December 25, 2023 12:00 AM > >>> for 1 day). > >> [] > >> Is "12:00 AM" syntactically valid? > > > > Yes (<hour>:<minute><space><dayperiod>). Its the same thing people call > > "midnight". > > > that is why a military time is 0000 - 2400 and no need for AM/PM Not only military time, but also the time in sane countries! :-)
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| From | John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2023-11-19 08:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <wRJmdJBo3cWlFw56@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #639 |
In message <ujbash.p40.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> writes
>In comp.os.ms-windows.misc Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:
>> On 11/18/2023 12:37 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> > On 11/17/23 12:04, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> >> In message <sxN5N.46596$AqO5.22600@fx11.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023
>> >> 11:37:28, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> writes
>> >> []
>> >>> 38 days until the winter celebration (Monday, December 25, 2023 12:00 AM
>> >>> for 1 day).
>> >> []
>> >> Is "12:00 AM" syntactically valid?
>> >
>> > Yes (<hour>:<minute><space><dayperiod>). Its the same thing people call
>> > "midnight".
>> >
>> that is why a military time is 0000 - 2400 and no need for AM/PM
>
> Not only military time, but also the time in sane countries! :-)
I'm not sure that the UK is sane, but the 24-hour clock is used for most
bus and train timetables.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)
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| From | Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2023-11-19 20:00 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ujciqg$3oelc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #638 |
Zaidy036 wrote on 19/11/23 7:00 am: > On 11/18/2023 12:37 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote: >> On 11/17/23 12:04, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> In message <sxN5N.46596$AqO5.22600@fx11.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023 >>> 11:37:28, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> writes >>> [] >>>> 38 days until the winter celebration (Monday, December 25, 2023 >>>> 12:00 AM >>>> for 1 day). >>> [] >>> Is "12:00 AM" syntactically valid? >> >> Yes (<hour>:<minute><space><dayperiod>). Its the same thing people >> call "midnight". >> > that is why a military time is 0000 - 2400 and no need for AM/PM ... but, even then, did 'they ever refer to '24:00'?? 23:59 sure, 00:01 sure, but 24:00 .... I'm thinking not! -- Daniel
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| From | Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-11-19 10:47 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <G_q6N.49258$yvY5.19091@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #638 |
On 11/18/23 14:00, Zaidy036 wrote: > that is why a military time is 0000 - 2400 and no need for AM/PM That does have advantages, including no M (AM/PM) and using 0. 2400 is not normally necessary, as that is 0000 the next day. -- 36 days until the winter celebration (Monday, December 25, 2023 12:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "One does well to put on gloves when reading the New Testament. The proximity of so much uncleanliness almost forces one to do this." [Fredrich Nietzsche]
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| From | Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-11-18 13:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87o7fqepj9.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> |
| In reply to | #631 |
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
> In message <sxN5N.46596$AqO5.22600@fx11.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023
> 11:37:28, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> writes
> []
>>38 days until the winter celebration (Monday, December 25, 2023 12:00 AM
>>for 1 day).
> []
> Is "12:00 AM" syntactically valid?
12:00 AM is one minute before 12:01 AM (midnight).
12:00 PM is one minute before 12:01 PM (noon).
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Will write code for food.
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */
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