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| From | 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.setup |
| Subject | Re: NEW: 18. Totaliztic Report - Why I use Kubutnu instead Gentoo Linux? |
| Date | 2025-09-22 17:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <cf96ee60-732e-5465-9407-7b887407ad1e@adres.pl> (permalink) |
| References | <miol5qF3lm0U2@mid.individual.net> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
I correct my "18. Totaliztic Report - Why I use Kubutnu instead Gentoo Linux?", I translate report summary again, and invite Daniel Robbins and Gentoo Linux maintainers to this discussion. 7 Summary 7.1 Revelations, advantages, disadvantages and fuck-ups in the Gentoo Linux project 7.1.1 Revelations 1. Complete control over the operating system thanks to the Flag Use mechanism; 2. Latest packages; 3. Binary packages (originally there were no binary packages in Gentoo Linux, which is a distribution based on source packages, and requiring compilation before installation). 7.1.2 Advantages 1. Despite the deficiencies in the "Gentoo Handbook" textbook, this system can be installed and fired; 2. From "Gentoo Handbook" I learned that in each Linux operating system there should be environmental variables with compilation flags: CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, MAKEOPTS (in Kubuntu it is a variable MAKE), DMDFLAGS and RUSTFLAGS. After returning to Kubuntu, I set them in a $ Home/.profile file. For me, these flags are useful to the compilation of my own libraries and programs, which of course I compile from sources. 7.1.3 Disadvantages 1. No digital signatures of binary packages. 7.1.4 Fuck-ups 1. An incomplete Gentoo Handbook (no mention I need to unpack Stage 3 archive to /mnt/gentoo when I install from other Linux host; given at a bad time (in the middle of the installation) the recommendation to recompile the newly installed Gentoo Linux (because user set it's own USE flags); omitting the sound configuration); 2. Continuous distribution. Causes that you still need to adapt my own libraries, programs and scripts to changes in the operating system; 3. It is not known how to get sound in window utility programs; 4. VLC package broken for years; 5. Limited use of binary packages mechanism; 6. Malicious configuration of binary packages (e.g. sometimes they are only configured with the "qml" or "telemetry" USE flags); 7. Compilation of scripting apps such as Firefox or Thunderbird does not improve their speed (they continue to moor); 8. Thunderbird, although it implements only a few protocols (e-mail and discussion groups), but requires its own HTML browser engine for its operation, which is why it compiles for hours, instead of in a seconds. It must be the same with other script apps based on your own inner HTML browser; 9. Distro Gentoo Linux maintainers do not reveal what are the costs of maintaining this project, and thus users do not know how much they should pay in the donations for using this operating system. The same, unfortunately, applies to Kubuntu supplied by corpo Canonical (and many other Linux distros). 7.2 Applications I installed Gentoo Linux due to strong agitation on the group comp.os.linux.advocacy led by "Farley Flud <ff@linux.rokks>". However, I was not able to achieve the functionality of this operating system as in the case of Kubuntu 20.04. In addition, many hours of compilations is in fact backwardness because the user is working with Gentoo Linux more slowly, instead of faster and faster. The decisive problem for me was the lack of a way to start the sound in window programs, and the VLC package broken for years. Unable to accept this, I returned to the Kubuntu 20.04 operating system and now I appreciate how fast, comfortable and useful it is. 7.3 Is the problem organizational or individual? Pathologies in the Gentoo Linux project are organizational. 7.4 Is the problem durable or temporary? There have been problems for years. 7.5 Future predictions Nothing will change in the Gentoo Linux project. It will exist as long as bankers will finance it. 7.6 Recommendations for now For users of the Linux operating system: My conclusions are that the best are Linux distros based on editions (and not continuous like Gentoo Linux), in the LTS version (English acronym: Long-Term Support). This is obviously due to the fact that in such a disto my libraries, programs and scripts operate for many years without having to adapt them to the new version of the operating system. Distros appearing in the LTS version is e.g. Ubuntu or Kubuntu. I have been using Kubuntu 20.04 LTS for years and I can say that, contrary to the propaganda, "Farley flud <ff@linux.rocks>" I am not a fierce click or a devotee of rounded corners of the windows - I create my own libraries, programs and scripts, including the scripts which I configure the entire operating system. In fact, I think that before "Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks>" will install the program he needed, I will be after work and after dinner, at the dessert. This is what it looks like today, 2025-09-14, no. 7.7 Recommendations for the future For Distro Linux Gentoo maintainers: Without getting along with the founder of this Distro, Daniel Robbins, you have no chance to seek and go straight. This is the result of your smart takeover of this project, instead of a desire to discuss factual, i.e. for honest and impartial resolution of technical disputes regarding the future of this distro. In short, if you do not fix the evil that you have done to Mr. Daniel Robbins, you will not achieve anything more and you will continue to boat in your head as it is now. Because a hostile acquisition is a violation of moral rights (mentioned above indicators brotherhood, personal culture, economic culture and honesty). It should be recalled that moral laws have priority over all other laws (include physical laws, and economics laws, and human federal and local laws). For Linux users: Reading https://distrowatch.com should be enough to know what's new in Linux distributions. Note: Don't forget to give them a few dollars for these publications from time to time! Because there are very few good info sources on Linux topics.
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Re: NEW: 18. Totaliztic Report - Why I use Kubutnu instead Gentoo Linux? 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-09-22 17:13 +0200
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