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| Started by | Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> |
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| First post | 2024-09-27 16:37 +0000 |
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Alternative to Optical Storage???? Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> - 2024-09-27 16:37 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 12:40 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Ralf Schneider <schneiderr@freenet.de> - 2024-09-27 17:33 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-27 15:05 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2024-09-27 21:06 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-09-27 21:32 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> - 2024-09-28 10:56 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 06:28 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:27 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 13:23 -0700
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-09-29 17:18 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-30 01:34 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 12:29 +0100
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 12:25 +0100
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? jjb <jjb@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 16:41 +0200
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-01 01:29 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-10-02 03:28 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-02 21:50 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-03 06:40 +0200
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-03 09:58 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-04 04:46 +0200
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-04 02:19 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-04 09:56 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 12:45 +0100
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-05 06:46 +0200
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-04 11:16 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-04 08:34 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-04 11:29 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-05 06:57 +0200
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-05 06:50 +0200
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-05 00:57 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-05 01:23 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2024-10-05 07:13 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-05 03:33 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2024-10-05 08:42 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-09-30 19:34 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 11:57 +0100
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 01:49 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-01 07:04 +0200
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 01:08 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-01 03:10 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-03 01:47 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 15:34 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-10-03 17:13 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-03 23:31 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-04 02:12 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-05 07:01 +0200
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-05 07:41 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-05 21:03 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-05 20:52 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> - 2024-10-03 19:13 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 00:35 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-03 02:28 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-03 03:10 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 01:04 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:36 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2024-09-27 15:39 -0300
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? jjb <jjb@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-27 21:54 +0200
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> - 2024-09-27 20:26 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-09-28 07:54 +1000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-09-28 01:49 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 15:33 -0700
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-09-28 23:14 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 13:25 -0700
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-09-30 00:15 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-09-30 19:40 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-10-01 05:35 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-02 19:14 -0700
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-10-04 05:05 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-08 21:40 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-08 23:22 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-03 16:00 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-09-30 00:15 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-10-01 10:33 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> - 2024-09-28 10:46 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> - 2024-09-28 11:04 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> - 2024-09-28 13:24 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 00:43 -0400
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 07:21 +0000
Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-30 00:09 -0400
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 07:54 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <66f72996@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #58567 |
In comp.os.linux.misc Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> wrote: > On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 17:36:29 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > I always purchased Taiyo Yuden DVD's which have an excellent > reputation for longevity, but since DVDs have a small capacity > I now only use M-Disc bdr. Well most of the concerns with optical media longevity are solved by M-Discs since they don't have the degrading dye layer, so whether you believe those concerns are rational or not you've already chosen the solution to them. At least provided you don't use the discs enough that they accumulate scratches like most of the world's DVD-video discs do. > Of course, one must always be mindful of future technology. > The strategy is to always copy important data to improved > formats but, so far, with optical media, this is not necessary > yet. If you just wanted to store a little data for distant future generations, information etched into glass should last longer than info on plastic M-Discs. You could use a program like Optar to convert into a printable data representation and then use a glass etching kit or laser to 'burn' that to a paper-sized pane of glass. http://ronja.twibright.com/optar/ Of course most likely nobody will ever go to the trouble of reading it if you do that, but maybe an idea for a novelty glass mug or something. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 01:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vd7nbv$12bl1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58575 |
In comp.os.linux.misc Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote: > If you just wanted to store a little data for distant future > generations, information etched into glass should last longer than > info on plastic M-Discs. You could use a program like Optar to > convert into a printable data representation and then use a glass > etching kit or laser to 'burn' that to a paper-sized pane of glass. Provided, of course, that no one along the eons drops the pane, or drops something on the pane, shattering it into a million pieces in the process.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 15:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vda07i$1dvkl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58567 |
On 27/09/2024 13:26, Nux Vomica wrote: > On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 17:36:29 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > >> >> Having personally experienced failures of both cd-r and dvd-r media >> wherein the recorded media became unreadable in a very short timeframe >> (only a few years) even with proper storage it is not at all irrational >> to be skeptical of claims of significant lifetimes for optical media >> (esp. the user recordable type, pressed disks are a different matter). >> Existing user recordable optical systems have, so far, had a poor track >> record, so any new system has a higher bar to get over before it is >> trusted for any long-term archive use. >> > > My experience is far different from yours. > > I have optical disks that I made in 2008 that are still quite > viable, and an associate of mine burned disks back in the 1990's > that are still readable with no errors. (Both cases using GNU/Linux) > > Possibly you had selected the inexpensive, "bargain basement" > brands of cd-r/dvd-r which may have much shorter lives. > > Also, are you sure that the "r" designation is not actually "rw" > for re-writable disks? The re-writable variety are known to to > degrade much more rapidly. > > I always purchased Taiyo Yuden DVD's which have an excellent > reputation for longevity, but since DVDs have a small capacity > I now only use M-Disc bdr. > > I am not a professional archivist but I know that libraries > and other institutions choose optical storage as a primary archival > medium. > > Of course, one must always be mindful of future technology. > The strategy is to always copy important data to improved > formats but, so far, with optical media, this is not necessary > yet. +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
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| From | ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 23:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rsCcnV_yyP51EGX7nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #58630 |
In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> On 27/09/2024 13:26, Nux Vomica wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 17:36:29 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Having personally experienced failures of both cd-r and dvd-r media
> >> wherein the recorded media became unreadable in a very short timeframe
> >> (only a few years) even with proper storage it is not at all irrational
> >> to be skeptical of claims of significant lifetimes for optical media
> >> (esp. the user recordable type, pressed disks are a different matter).
> >> Existing user recordable optical systems have, so far, had a poor track
> >> record, so any new system has a higher bar to get over before it is
> >> trusted for any long-term archive use.
> >>
> >
> > My experience is far different from yours.
> >
> > I have optical disks that I made in 2008 that are still quite
> > viable, and an associate of mine burned disks back in the 1990's
> > that are still readable with no errors. (Both cases using GNU/Linux)
> >
> > Possibly you had selected the inexpensive, "bargain basement"
> > brands of cd-r/dvd-r which may have much shorter lives.
> >
> > Also, are you sure that the "r" designation is not actually "rw"
> > for re-writable disks? The re-writable variety are known to to
> > degrade much more rapidly.
> >
> > I always purchased Taiyo Yuden DVD's which have an excellent
> > reputation for longevity, but since DVDs have a small capacity
> > I now only use M-Disc bdr.
> >
> > I am not a professional archivist but I know that libraries
> > and other institutions choose optical storage as a primary archival
> > medium.
> >
> > Of course, one must always be mindful of future technology.
> > The strategy is to always copy important data to improved
> > formats but, so far, with optical media, this is not necessary
> > yet.
> +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 13:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vdcd4e$1se5e$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58631 |
On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: >> +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version. > > Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :( Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc. DVDs are nothing compared to that.
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| From | ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) |
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| Date | 2024-09-30 00:15 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #58686 |
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
> > In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> >> +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
> >
> > Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
> Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
> DVDs are nothing compared to that.
Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.
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| From | candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> |
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| Date | 2024-09-30 19:40 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #58698 |
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT): > Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: >> On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote: >> > In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: >> >> +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version. >> > >> > Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :( > >> Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc. >> DVDs are nothing compared to that. > > Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha. Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird. -- user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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| From | ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) |
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| Date | 2024-10-01 05:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n7-cnXRnloWvF2b7nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #58760 |
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
> > Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> >> On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
> >> > In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> >> >> +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
> >> >
> >> > Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
> >
> >> Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
> >> DVDs are nothing compared to that.
> >
> > Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.
> Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.
Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-02 19:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vdkum9$3iv1e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58829 |
On 30/09/2024 22:35, Ant wrote: > candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT): >>> Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: >>>> On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote: >>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: >>>>>> +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version. >>>>> >>>>> Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :( >>> >>>> Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc. >>>> DVDs are nothing compared to that. That is burning 55GB to a 100GB-capable BD-R/M-disc, using USB-3 to an external Pioneer M-Disc compatible BD-R drive. >>> Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha. > >> Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird. > > Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P From what media to what media? Using what data path?
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| From | ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) |
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| Date | 2024-10-04 05:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bbacnSZt_NM16mL7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #58968 |
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> On 30/09/2024 22:35, Ant wrote:
> > candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> >> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
> >>> Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
> >>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
> >>>
> >>>> Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
> >>>> DVDs are nothing compared to that.
> That is burning 55GB to a 100GB-capable BD-R/M-disc, using USB-3 to an
> external Pioneer M-Disc compatible BD-R drive.
> >>> Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.
> >
> >> Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.
> >
> > Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P
> From what media to what media?
> Using what data path?
Internal SATA 7200 RPM 2 GB HDD to external 2.5" 5 TB USB3 HDDs.
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| From | candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-08 21:40 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #59048 |
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 05:05 this Friday (GMT): > Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: >> On 30/09/2024 22:35, Ant wrote: >> > candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >> >> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT): >> >>> Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: >> >>>> On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote: >> >>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :( >> >>> >> >>>> Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc. >> >>>> DVDs are nothing compared to that. > >> That is burning 55GB to a 100GB-capable BD-R/M-disc, using USB-3 to an >> external Pioneer M-Disc compatible BD-R drive. >> >>> Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha. >> > >> >> Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird. >> > >> > Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P > >> From what media to what media? > >> Using what data path? > > Internal SATA 7200 RPM 2 GB HDD to external 2.5" 5 TB USB3 HDDs. Oh cool -- user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-08 23:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnvgbfl1.2m6r1.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #59224 |
Some time ago, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc. >>> >>>> DVDs are nothing compared to that. >>> That is burning 55GB to a 100GB-capable BD-R/M-disc, using USB-3 to an >>> external Pioneer M-Disc compatible BD-R drive. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >>> >> Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird. On 30/09/2024 22:35, Ant wrote: >>> > Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: >>> From what media to what media? >>> Using what data path? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 05:05 this Friday (GMT): >> Internal SATA 7200 RPM 2 GB HDD to external 2.5" 5 TB USB3 HDDs. I am not surprised that a BD-R drive is slower than a HDD.
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| From | candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-03 16:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnvftfj0.51us.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> |
| In reply to | #58829 |
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 05:35 this Tuesday (GMT): > candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT): >> > Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: >> >> On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote: >> >> > In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: >> >> >> +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version. >> >> > >> >> > Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :( >> > >> >> Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc. >> >> DVDs are nothing compared to that. >> > >> > Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha. > >> Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird. > > Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P Is that a good or bad speed? -- user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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| From | ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) |
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| Date | 2024-09-30 00:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <_pGcnX1LaPEkcGT7nZ2dnZfqnPpOSzhH@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #58686 |
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
> > In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> >> +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
> >
> > Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
> Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
> DVDs are nothing compared to that.
Also, I hate it when my burns go bad and other drives can't read my burns like with DVDs. :(
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-01 10:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnvfnk0h.4gqn.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #58551 |
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.] On 2024-09-27, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> wrote: >> It seems that a lot of users are, irrationally, opposed to the >> use of optical media for long-term archival storage. > > Having personally experienced failures of both cd-r and dvd-r media > wherein the recorded media became unreadable in a very short timeframe > (only a few years) even with proper storage it is not at all irrational > to be skeptical of claims of significant lifetimes for optical media > (esp. the user recordable type, pressed disks are a different matter). > Existing user recordable optical systems have, so far, had a poor track > record, so any new system has a higher bar to get over before it is > trusted for any long-term archive use. > > I've generally had very positive experiences with CD and DVD ROM's I've burned. I've used Verbatim disks, and I have disks that are 20 years old that are still fine. BUT I do have a few disks, which I think were from the same spindle, which started to degrade from the edge, from what I suspect was a manufacturing defect. I use hard drives, as it is easy (and cheap) to make copies. Using BTRFS you can protect against what would otherwise been undetected errors. I have files that I've transferred from computer to computer, back from 1994-1995. These exist because I've simply made copies. So as this has worked for me, that is how I archive. On hard disk, making copies.
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| From | Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 10:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan$b6175$1a8d0f47$2f7bcd0a$6225aa31@linux.rocks> |
| In reply to | #58547 |
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 00:13:51 +0200, D wrote: > > Do you do restore tests regularly? If not, it could be that you might not > have as many backups as you might think. =/ > Yes. I will do a random sample on occasion, mostly to satisfy my curiosity. Never had a problem. But most of this data is not critical for me. I could live without it or it could be somewhat easily replaced. My e-books and music, however, are absolutely essential and must be preserved. Fortunately, these collections are only a few Tb and I simply make new copies from time to time. I also keep copies on USB HDD external drives. What puzzles me is why hasn't implementing a viable long-term storage solution become a top priority? Digital information is here to stay, likely forever, and we need a way to preserve it forever without muss or fuss. Unfortunately, consumer-grade optical storage technology is in the hands of grubbing capitalists. As soon as sales fall by 10% they will start to leave the market in search of a new fad. -- Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.
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| From | Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 11:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan$bc0a9$cc9261d0$3a93839a$4d282437@linux.rocks> |
| In reply to | #58547 |
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 07:33:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> Consumer SSDs are especially not >> long term. >> > Why not? > Because consumer SSDs require wear leveling and trimming which are both cheap technical gimmicks intended to foist an inferior technology onto an unsuspecting public. > > Provided they are kept powered on > Then just keep all your precious data in a RAM disk and never power down your machine. -- Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.
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| From | Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2024-09-28 13:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan$51f17$e6bcc2f0$5498708c$f3734157@linux.rocks> |
| In reply to | #58601 |
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:04:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > How many 'fixes' have been applied to hard drives? > > Checksums. Bad block management, Defragmentaion. > > All signs of cheap technical gimmicks intended to foist an inferior > technology onto an unsuspecting public. > True. Consumer-grade technology is inferior in many ways. But SSDs go way beyond reasonable bounds with their technical gimmickry. -- Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.
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| From | "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 00:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <OW2dnZiY0ueaRmX7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #58547 |
NONE, really. If you need long-term, optical is kinda IT. I'd suggest "M-Disk". Mag disks can be FAIR - but CAN suffer from "bit rot" after awhile. There are utilities, or you can write one, to read and re-write every so often. Not esp hard to script something like 'dd' for the purpose. Wrote a handy friendly util in Lazarus Pascal, but needed a 'C' helper to deal with large-TB drives as FPC only *thinks* it has 64-bit disk functions. Flash and variants - CRAP. Magic crystal holograms - CRAP. Tape, CRAP. FRAM, good, but very low capacity. Oh, and VERY important - will there be DEVICES/DRIVERS to READ your preferred medium even 5 years from now ??? I've got these 8-inch floppies ...... IMHO, your best bet is REPLICATION. Keep moving yer data to the currently-popular media. Using 'cloud' can help too - but don't compress/encrypt with utilities that may not stand the test of time. Plain-Jane ZIP will last, others ???
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2024-09-29 07:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <llsdfsFrnukU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #58641 |
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 00:43:50 -0400, "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote in <OW2dnZiY0ueaRmX7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>: > NONE, really. > > If you need long-term, optical is kinda IT. > I'd suggest "M-Disk". > > Mag disks can be FAIR - but CAN suffer from "bit rot" after awhile. Which is why if you value your time, you'll invest in a decent NAS, and pay attention to the disks when they complain. If a disk starts to fail -- swap it out! I recommend Synology -- not only because of its Linux underpinnings, but its excellent management software: a desktop metaphor, controlled through a web browser. You can also ssh into it. If you do buy one, I recommend getting one with 10G Ethernet (at least), and making sure your system has a 10G (or better) connection to it. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G "My cat makes me search the room for invisible intruders."
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