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What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install?

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  What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 01:10 +0000
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 02:10 +0000
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 03:40 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 04:07 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 04:41 +0000
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-07-07 04:10 +0000
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-07 07:14 +0042
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 07:43 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-07 10:10 +0042
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 09:30 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-07 10:35 +0042
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 10:13 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 21:21 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 21:35 +0000
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 21:59 +0000
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 05:50 +0000
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-08 16:29 +0100
                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:21 +0000
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-07 19:43 -0400
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-08 11:54 +0200
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-08 00:57 +0000
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 09:45 +0100
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 00:39 +0000
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-10 21:56 -0400
                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-11 02:23 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-08 08:34 +1000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-08 06:14 +0042
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-07 19:45 -0400
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-07 20:24 -0700
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:22 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-09 00:42 +0042
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-09 05:42 +0000
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-09 09:08 +0042
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-09 12:20 +0200
                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-09 11:26 +0042
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 00:40 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-09 01:47 +0000
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:38 +0100
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 12:56 +0200
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-07 13:30 +0000
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-07 13:50 +0000
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 18:15 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-07 20:50 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-08 13:20 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-08 10:28 +0000
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-08 13:20 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 09:31 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:40 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-10 22:47 +0100
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-12 11:56 +0000
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-13 18:26 +0100
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-14 07:07 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-12 11:54 +0000
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-14 07:16 +0000
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:20 +0000
                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-16 11:36 +0000
                      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-16 14:40 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 22:19 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-07-11 00:07 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-08 10:25 +0000
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux  install? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202407.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2024-07-07 16:23 +0200
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux  install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 21:24 +0000
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux  install? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202407.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2024-07-08 16:49 +0200
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux  install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:16 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux  install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:38 +0000
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-08 09:18 +1000
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> - 2024-07-08 13:51 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> - 2024-07-08 17:10 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:36 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-08 18:11 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-07-08 18:29 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-08 21:30 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-08 22:58 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-08 22:26 +0100
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:37 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> - 2024-07-09 10:06 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-08 14:10 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:23 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:36 +0000
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-09 02:03 +0000
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:40 +0000
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-10 19:12 +0000
                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 22:22 +0000
                      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-11 04:05 +0000
                        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-11 05:53 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-09 05:42 -0400
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 10:44 +0100
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:40 +0000
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-10 15:05 +0100
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-10 21:58 +0000
                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-11 04:12 +0000
                      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
                        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-13 19:05 +0000
                          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:20 +0000
                            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-14 16:38 +0000
                            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-14 20:25 +0000
                            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-15 01:19 +0000
                              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-15 16:30 +0000
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 22:22 +0000
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-11 18:17 +0000
                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-11 22:02 +0000
                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> - 2024-07-12 13:29 +0000
                      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
                        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-14 09:20 +1000
                        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux  install? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202407.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2024-07-14 01:57 +0200
                        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 01:30 +0000
                          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-14 07:09 +0000
                            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:20 +0000
                              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-16 11:39 +0000
                        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-14 12:10 +0200
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-12 11:50 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 09:25 +0000
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-10 10:32 +0100
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-10 07:59 -0700
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-10 21:59 -0400
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 01:34 +0000
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-07-14 19:14 +0300
                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 21:19 +0000
                      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-14 22:38 +0100
                        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-15 01:20 +0000
                          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-15 09:21 +0100
                            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-15 21:48 +0000
                          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-16 11:32 +0000
                            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-16 21:09 +0100
                              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-16 23:40 +0000
                                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-17 08:13 +0100
                                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 07:48 +0000
                                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-17 09:34 +0100
                                      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 22:03 +0000
                                        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-18 09:04 +0100
                                          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-19 00:51 +0000
                                            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-19 09:46 +0100
                                              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-19 22:50 +0000
                              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 22:48 +0000
                                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-17 23:31 +0000
                                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 23:51 +0000
                                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-18 04:09 +0000
                                      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-18 05:23 +0000
                              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-19 09:57 +0000
                                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-19 12:56 +0100
                                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-19 14:50 +0000
                                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-20 08:24 +1000
                                      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-28 17:20 +0000
                                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-19 15:13 +0100
                                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-19 22:48 +0000
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-08 00:56 +0042
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-09 09:03 +1000
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-08 13:20 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-17 08:48 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-17 15:40 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-17 15:59 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 22:03 +0000
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-17 23:22 +0000
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 23:49 +0000
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-18 03:56 +0000
                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-18 05:26 +0000
                      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-18 06:28 +0000
                        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-18 07:20 +0000
                        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-18 11:30 +0200
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-19 08:14 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-17 17:26 +0042
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-17 11:14 -0700
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 06:41 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-09 09:11 +1000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:18 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:37 +0000
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 09:35 +0100
                Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:40 +0000
                  Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 22:21 +0000
                    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
                      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 01:29 +0000
                        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:20 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-10 08:44 +1000
              Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 00:42 +0000
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-08 10:23 +0000
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-08 16:22 +0100
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-07-08 23:56 +0300
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:19 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:37 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-23 11:45 +0100
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-24 00:13 +0000
            Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-24 01:41 +0100
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:37 +0000
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2024-07-12 14:22 +0000
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-13 18:21 +0100
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 01:33 +0000
        Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:20 +0000
          Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 21:21 +0000
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-17 07:00 +0000
    Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-17 19:26 +0100
      Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-17 23:41 +0000

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#57003 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

On 18 Jul 2024 04:09:16 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 23:51:10 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> On 17 Jul 2024 23:31:22 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>> 
>>>           AttachConsole(ATTACH_PARENT_PROCESS);
>> 
>> And where does that go?
> 
> To the console where you are running the program from the command line. In 
> this case the program is a Windows Service and would typically be started 
> from the Service Manager, automatically, or 'net start ...' and would not 
> have access to the Windows Terminal console.

So where would it go in that case?

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#57019 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

On 2024-07-16, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> writes:
>> On 2024-07-15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:38 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote:
>>>> ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro) wrote:
>
>>>>> But it is fundamental in Windows, is it not, that every process has
>>>>> a GUI. Unless it is a _service_, which runs in the background, and
>>>>> is managed separately.
>>>> 
>>>> No, it is not. "Console applications" run with stdin, stdout & stderr,
>>>> rather like traditional Unix programs. They can also have character
>>>> graphics UIs, in terminal windows.
>>>
>>> So why do Python scripts, for example, have to come in two varieties on 
>>> Windows, with different extensions “.PY” versus “.PYW”?
>>
>> Windows definately does do "console" applications.  What is missing, is
>> the ability to run a console application without the GUI running itself,
>> but the standard C "Hello world" program does run on Windows
>
> I’m not sure what you mean by “the GUI running itself”. Windows
> executables either use the CUI (console) or GUI subsystem, and this is
> represented by a field in the PE file header, rather than being a
> behavior of the application after it starts.
>
> CUI subsystem applications always run within a console, either inherited
> from the parent process, or created automatically if there isn’t one to
> inherit. GUI subsystem applications don’t normally get one (but can
> create one). Presumably a GUI subsystem application doesn’t have to open
> any Window at all if it doesn’t want to.
>
> In Python the .py vs .pyw distinction presumably allows file
> associations to a CUI subsystem version of the interpreter and a GUI
> subsystem version of the interpreter.
>
> References:
> * https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20090101-00/?p=19643
> * https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/console/creation-of-a-console
> * https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winnt/ns-winnt-image_optional_header32
>
You can run Linux without X or Wayland.  You can run in pure text mode,
no graphics at all.  Windows, as far as I can tell, boots into a GUI
always.  Am I wrong on that?

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#57021 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

On 19/07/2024 10:57, Borax Man wrote:
> On 2024-07-16, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> writes:
>>> On 2024-07-15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:38 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote:
>>>>> ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro) wrote:
>>
>>>>>> But it is fundamental in Windows, is it not, that every process has
>>>>>> a GUI. Unless it is a _service_, which runs in the background, and
>>>>>> is managed separately.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it is not. "Console applications" run with stdin, stdout & stderr,
>>>>> rather like traditional Unix programs. They can also have character
>>>>> graphics UIs, in terminal windows.
>>>>
>>>> So why do Python scripts, for example, have to come in two varieties on
>>>> Windows, with different extensions “.PY” versus “.PYW”?
>>>
>>> Windows definately does do "console" applications.  What is missing, is
>>> the ability to run a console application without the GUI running itself,
>>> but the standard C "Hello world" program does run on Windows
>>
>> I’m not sure what you mean by “the GUI running itself”. Windows
>> executables either use the CUI (console) or GUI subsystem, and this is
>> represented by a field in the PE file header, rather than being a
>> behavior of the application after it starts.
>>
>> CUI subsystem applications always run within a console, either inherited
>> from the parent process, or created automatically if there isn’t one to
>> inherit. GUI subsystem applications don’t normally get one (but can
>> create one). Presumably a GUI subsystem application doesn’t have to open
>> any Window at all if it doesn’t want to.
>>
>> In Python the .py vs .pyw distinction presumably allows file
>> associations to a CUI subsystem version of the interpreter and a GUI
>> subsystem version of the interpreter.
>>
>> References:
>> * https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20090101-00/?p=19643
>> * https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/console/creation-of-a-console
>> * https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winnt/ns-winnt-image_optional_header32
>>
> You can run Linux without X or Wayland.  You can run in pure text mode,
> no graphics at all.  Windows, as far as I can tell, boots into a GUI
> always.  Am I wrong on that?

I think you can still boot  DOS

And many still do.

A|houigh most of what DOS can do is done better on a raspberry PI PICO 
or arduino...

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#57026 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote at 11:56 this Friday (GMT):
> On 19/07/2024 10:57, Borax Man wrote:
>> On 2024-07-16, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 2024-07-15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:38 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote:
>>>>>> ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> But it is fundamental in Windows, is it not, that every process has
>>>>>>> a GUI. Unless it is a _service_, which runs in the background, and
>>>>>>> is managed separately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it is not. "Console applications" run with stdin, stdout & stderr,
>>>>>> rather like traditional Unix programs. They can also have character
>>>>>> graphics UIs, in terminal windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> So why do Python scripts, for example, have to come in two varieties on
>>>>> Windows, with different extensions “.PY” versus “.PYW”?
>>>>
>>>> Windows definately does do "console" applications.  What is missing, is
>>>> the ability to run a console application without the GUI running itself,
>>>> but the standard C "Hello world" program does run on Windows
>>>
>>> I’m not sure what you mean by “the GUI running itself”. Windows
>>> executables either use the CUI (console) or GUI subsystem, and this is
>>> represented by a field in the PE file header, rather than being a
>>> behavior of the application after it starts.
>>>
>>> CUI subsystem applications always run within a console, either inherited
>>> from the parent process, or created automatically if there isn’t one to
>>> inherit. GUI subsystem applications don’t normally get one (but can
>>> create one). Presumably a GUI subsystem application doesn’t have to open
>>> any Window at all if it doesn’t want to.
>>>
>>> In Python the .py vs .pyw distinction presumably allows file
>>> associations to a CUI subsystem version of the interpreter and a GUI
>>> subsystem version of the interpreter.
>>>
>>> References:
>>> * https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20090101-00/?p=19643
>>> * https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/console/creation-of-a-console
>>> * https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winnt/ns-winnt-image_optional_header32
>>>
>> You can run Linux without X or Wayland.  You can run in pure text mode,
>> no graphics at all.  Windows, as far as I can tell, boots into a GUI
>> always.  Am I wrong on that?
>
> I think you can still boot  DOS
>
> And many still do.
>
> A|houigh most of what DOS can do is done better on a raspberry PI PICO 
> or arduino...


I thought DOS was removed from Windows starting in Windows ME..
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#57035 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote at 11:56 this Friday (GMT):
>> I think you can still boot  DOS
>>
>> And many still do.
>>
>> A|houigh most of what DOS can do is done better on a raspberry PI PICO 
>> or arduino...
> 
> I thought DOS was removed from Windows starting in Windows ME..

It was, however there's a command-line-only rescue mode in later
Windows desktop releases (though I don't know about the current
ones) that is clearly inspired by DOS and is probably what Windows
users would call a "DOS prompt".

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#57408 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote at 22:24 this Friday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote at 11:56 this Friday (GMT):
>>> I think you can still boot  DOS
>>>
>>> And many still do.
>>>
>>> A|houigh most of what DOS can do is done better on a raspberry PI PICO 
>>> or arduino...
>> 
>> I thought DOS was removed from Windows starting in Windows ME..
>
> It was, however there's a command-line-only rescue mode in later
> Windows desktop releases (though I don't know about the current
> ones) that is clearly inspired by DOS and is probably what Windows
> users would call a "DOS prompt".


Oh cool, I don't think I've ever seen it.
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#57024 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> writes:
> You can run Linux without X or Wayland.  You can run in pure text mode,
> no graphics at all.  Windows, as far as I can tell, boots into a GUI
> always.  Am I wrong on that?

Yes, Windows Nano has no GUI at all. Currently it’s only available as a
container guest, however.

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#57036 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 09:57:46 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

> You can run Linux without X or Wayland.  You can run in pure text mode,
> no graphics at all.  Windows, as far as I can tell, boots into a GUI
> always.  Am I wrong on that?

I remember Windows Server added a “headless” installation mode at one 
point (“Server Core”, according to some online docs). The amusing thing 
was, it would have made sense to be able to administer such a setup 
remotely, via PowerShell. But PowerShell needed Dotnet, and Dotnet would 
not run on a “headless” installation.

I think Microsoft did come up with a fix for that at some point. But there 
is still the problem that quite a few things won’t run on it.

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#56792

not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) writes:

> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:

> ifconfig

;-)

> ftp

You tried lftp?

> mosh

Can't live without!  How could I forget to mention it in my list?

> aptitude (Devuan - I wish the changelog fetcher worked!)

Yip.

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#56823

yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) writes:
> 
>> ftp
> 
> You tried lftp?

I've used that before for complex recursive tasks using (S)FTP,
though the simpler clients usually do all I need. At the other
extreme ncftpget and ncftpput or their Busybox equivalents can
be very useful too for using one-line commands. Then there's
CurlFtpFS, though it doesn't use the FTP protocol very efficiently
at all (multiple connections just to grab one file). It also needs
a patch to work with newer libcurl versions or it chokes on certain
filename characters. Or there's a "CurlFtpFS-NG" fork.

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#56795

Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:23 this Monday (GMT):
> On 2024-07-07, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
>>> part of YOUR Linux install?
>>
>> Beyond a base install it depends entirely on what I have in mind
>> for doing with the computer. But some that I often end up
>> installing manually because they're not included in the distro
>> base:
>>
>> Network tools that should be there already, but may need
>> installing (GNU inetutils versions):
>> ifconfig
>> telnet
>> ftp
>>
>> Other network tools:
>> links
>> tin
>> mosh
>> nmap
>> whois
>> dig
>>
>> Format Conversions:
>> ghostscript
>> imagemagick
>> ffmpeg
>>
>> Decompressors I always end up needing eventually:
>> p7zip or 7z
>> unrar
>>
>> If it's a graphical install (always X11):
>> jwm (window manager)
>> xzgv (image viewer)
>> dillo (web browser)
>> xpdf (PDF viewer)
>> gv (postscript + pdf viewer)
>>
>> Other tools:
>> tree
>> hunspell
>> mc
>> gcc
>> git
>> bc
>> apt-file (Devuan)
>> aptitude (Devuan - I wish the changelog fetcher worked!)
>>
>> Lots more tools, especially graphical, depend on what I intend to
>> do with the computer, eg. Firefox on a PC but not on a RPi Zero.
>> I've assumed a few programs that others have mentioned, like wget,
>> are in the distro base packages already.
>>
>
> I think you can tell when someone switched to Linux, by what programs
> they consider required accessories.


To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.
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#56987 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> writes:
> 
> To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.

Hey, look, guys! I'm a rarity!! 
(Most people would deinitely consider that a GOOD THING!)

Well, almost. I went from MSDOS to UNIX and then Linux. Never had Windows as
my personal 'daily-driver'.

(Aually, I was using X11 desktops on UNIX, and had heard 'Wonderful Things'
about this new 'Windows thing'.  So I tried it and was aghast at just how
**bad** and primitive it was, compared to what I was already using.)

Jack
-- 
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Back then they were called bartenders.

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#56988 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> wrote at 08:48 this Wednesday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> writes:
>> 
>> To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.
>
> Hey, look, guys! I'm a rarity!! 
> (Most people would deinitely consider that a GOOD THING!)
>
> Well, almost. I went from MSDOS to UNIX and then Linux. Never had Windows as
> my personal 'daily-driver'.
>
> (Aually, I was using X11 desktops on UNIX, and had heard 'Wonderful Things'
> about this new 'Windows thing'.  So I tried it and was aghast at just how
> **bad** and primitive it was, compared to what I was already using.)
>
> Jack


Oh, cool! I personally started using linux some 10 years ago?
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#56989 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 08:48:06 -0000 (UTC), Jack Strangio wrote:

> (Aually, I was using X11 desktops on UNIX, and had heard 'Wonderful
> Things'
> about this new 'Windows thing'.  So I tried it and was aghast at just
> how **bad** and primitive it was, compared to what I was already using.)

Athena and Motif aren't exactly the height of sophistication :)  

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#56994 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

On 17 Jul 2024 15:59:09 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 08:48:06 -0000 (UTC), Jack Strangio wrote:
> 
>> (Aually, I was using X11 desktops on UNIX, and had heard 'Wonderful
>> Things' about this new 'Windows thing'.  So I tried it and was aghast
>> at just how **bad** and primitive it was, compared to what I was
>> already using.)
> 
> Athena and Motif aren't exactly the height of sophistication :)

MOTIF/CDE pioneered multiple desktops. Something that Windows still can’t 
get right.

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#56996 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 22:03:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> MOTIF/CDE pioneered multiple desktops. Something that Windows still
> can’t get right.

The multiple desktops aren't that bad. The deskktop manager is a little 
quirky but it's no worse that Ubuntu/GNOME. 

One thing X/Motif was good at was filling your bookshelf.  After you work 
your way through xmFoo and xtBar, sooner or later you'll wind up at gems 
like XButtonEvent from XLib. For added fun we made  extensive use of UILs 
and Mrm. 

Mrm actually works quite nicely. Every site wanted their GUIs configured a 
little differently so you just build a bunch of UIDs and you're good to 
go. I *think* you might do something like that with xaml in native Windows 
but I never pursued it. 

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#56999 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

On 17 Jul 2024 23:22:02 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 22:03:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> MOTIF/CDE pioneered multiple desktops. Something that Windows still
>> can’t get right.
> 
> The multiple desktops aren't that bad.

In Windows?  They need application support for them to work properly. On 
*nix, this Just Works™.

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#57001 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 23:49:54 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 17 Jul 2024 23:22:02 GMT, rbowman wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 22:03:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> 
>>> MOTIF/CDE pioneered multiple desktops. Something that Windows still
>>> can’t get right.
>> 
>> The multiple desktops aren't that bad.
> 
> In Windows?  They need application support for them to work properly. On
> *nix, this Just Works™.

Exactly what are you talking about? 

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#57004 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

On 18 Jul 2024 03:56:29 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 23:49:54 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> On 17 Jul 2024 23:22:02 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 22:03:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> 
>>>> MOTIF/CDE pioneered multiple desktops. Something that Windows still
>>>> can’t get right.
>>> 
>>> The multiple desktops aren't that bad.
>> 
>> In Windows?  They need application support for them to work properly. 
On
>> *nix, this Just Works™.
> 
> Exactly what are you talking about?

Having trouble keeping track of what you yourself are saying? Sorry I 
can’t help with that.

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#57005 — Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux

On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 05:26:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>>> In Windows?  They need application support for them to work properly.

What exactly do you mena by that? You throw shit out without an 
explanation.

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