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  Re: Linux screensaver Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> - 2020-06-17 20:12 +0000
    Re: Linux screensaver Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2020-06-17 15:37 -0500
      Re: Linux screensaver Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> - 2020-06-18 18:48 +0000
    Re: Linux screensaver Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2020-06-17 21:05 +0000
      Re: Linux screensaver Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2020-06-17 21:54 +0000
        Re: Linux screensaver Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> - 2020-06-18 18:54 +0000
      Re: Linux screensaver gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2020-06-17 23:26 +0000
        Re: Linux screensaver Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> - 2020-06-18 18:55 +0000
      Re: Linux screensaver Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> - 2020-06-18 18:52 +0000
    Re: Linux screensaver Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-06-17 23:37 -0700
      Re: Linux screensaver Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> - 2020-06-18 18:59 +0000
    Re: Linux screensaver Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-06-18 10:15 -0700
      Re: Linux screensaver Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> - 2020-06-20 21:03 +0000
        Re: Linux screensaver Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2020-06-21 09:29 +0200
          Re: Linux screensaver Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> - 2020-06-22 20:20 +0000
            Re: Linux screensaver Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2020-06-23 10:07 +0200
        Re: Linux screensaver Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> - 2020-06-22 20:15 +0000
    Re: Linux screensaver Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-06-18 17:57 +0000
      Re: Linux screensaver Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> - 2020-06-18 19:01 +0000

#30127 — Re: Linux screensaver

   After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save the screen 
from the results of continued and needless display of the same image. Ah so... 
I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key & having the screen's 
image placed in a file for later recall. Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the 
suitable term?
   Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's 
sudo or ubuntu's witholding the administrator's password? One that has the 
"snapshot" (...) capability, too. And one that can be "housed" in a usb flash 
and booted when needed.

Hul

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#30128

At Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> wrote:

> 
>    After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save the screen 
> from the results of continued and needless display of the same image. Ah so... 
> I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key & having the screen's 
> image placed in a file for later recall. Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the 
> suitable term?

Screen Shot is the term you are looking for.

>    Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's 
> sudo or ubuntu's witholding the administrator's password? One that has the 
> "snapshot" (...) capability, too. And one that can be "housed" in a usb flash 
> and booted when needed.

"sudo" is not Ubuntu's.  All distros include it.

Ubuntu does not "withhold" the administrator's (root's) password.  It just 
never sets it.  Generally not a problem most of the time.  But the root 
password can be set like this:

sudo passwd root

Anytime you feel you need root to have an actual password.  If that floats 
your boat...

> 
> Hul
>                               
> 

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#30140

Thanks.

Hul

Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
> At Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> wrote:

> > 
> >    After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save the screen 
> > from the results of continued and needless display of the same image. Ah so... 
> > I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key & having the screen's 
> > image placed in a file for later recall. Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the 
> > suitable term?

> Screen Shot is the term you are looking for.

> >    Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's 
> > sudo or ubuntu's witholding the administrator's password? One that has the 
> > "snapshot" (...) capability, too. And one that can be "housed" in a usb flash 
> > and booted when needed.

> "sudo" is not Ubuntu's.  All distros include it.

> Ubuntu does not "withhold" the administrator's (root's) password.  It just 
> never sets it.  Generally not a problem most of the time.  But the root 
> password can be set like this:

> sudo passwd root

> Anytime you feel you need root to have an actual password.  If that floats 
> your boat...

> > 
> > Hul
> >                               
> > 

> -- 
> Robert Heller             -- 978-544-6933 Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364
> Deepwoods Software        -- Custom Software Services
> http://www.deepsoft.com/  -- Linux Administration Services
> heller@deepsoft.com       -- Webhosting Services
>                                                                                               

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#30130

In comp.os.linux.misc, Hul Tytus  <ht@panix.com> wrote:
>    After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save the screen 
> from the results of continued and needless display of the same image. Ah so... 
> I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key & having the screen's 
> image placed in a file for later recall. Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the 
> suitable term?

Screenshot. Often a tool is already installed for that. xwd will work in
a pinch, but it's old and only writes images to obscure xwd format.
Imagemagick's convert has no problems with that format:

	xwd -root | convert xwd:- "$filename"

will capture the full screen and save it to $filename (which should
include an extension such as .png or .jpg to specify format).

>    Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's 

On Ubuntu, specifically, I believe a default screen shot tool (better
than xwd) is by default bound to a keystroke out of the box. I don't
recall which tool or the exact keystroke, but it saves images to the
standard pictures directory and the keystroke is something involving the
"prtsc" (print screen) button. Maybe just the button, maybe with shift
or control? Try it out.

At this point I can't remember what the standard pictures directory is.
$HOME/Pictures or $HOME/Images probably. I override the default because
directories with capital letters are not to my tastes.

$ cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/.empty"
XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/downloads"
XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR="$HOME/work"
XDG_PUBLICSHARE_DIR="$HOME/tmp"
XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR="$HOME/notes"
XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/tmp"
XDG_PICTURES_DIR="$HOME/images"
XDG_VIDEOS_DIR="$HOME/video"
$

> sudo or ubuntu's witholding the administrator's password?

"sudo passwd root" works. Boot to single user mode and changing root's
password has always worked. Capturing a screenshot requires access to
X11, not root permissions.

Elijah
------
there are a lot of screen shot tools these days

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#30131

Le 17-06-2020, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> a écrit :
> In comp.os.linux.misc, Hul Tytus  <ht@panix.com> wrote:
>>    Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's 
>
> On Ubuntu, specifically, I believe a default screen shot tool (better
> than xwd) is by default bound to a keystroke out of the box. I don't
> recall which tool or the exact keystroke, but it saves images to the
> standard pictures directory and the keystroke is something involving the
> "prtsc" (print screen) button. Maybe just the button, maybe with shift
> or control? Try it out.

At first glance, I'd say it's KDE or gnome which come with it's
screenshot utility in ubuntu.

I don't know xwd, if you are looking for another screenshot tool, I find
maim very convenient. I just bind this and it puts my screenshot in my
directory :
maim ~/ScreenShots/scrsc$(date +%y%m%d_%H%M%S).png

If I want to select the zone of the screenshot, I've just to bind this :
maim -m ~/ScreenShots/scrsc$(date +%y%m%d_%H%M%S).png
And I've got a cursor which allows me to draw a rectangle.

There are others interesting features to, like waiting for a delay before
taking the screenshot. I'm not sure it's better than the one coming with
gnome or KDE, but if you have neither gnome nor KDE, you don't have to
install the full dependencies only to have screenshots.

I don't remember why I switched from scrot to maim some times ago.

-- 
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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#30142

Thanks. This is the info I've been looking for.

Hul

St??phane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
> Le 17-06-2020, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> a ??crit??:
> > In comp.os.linux.misc, Hul Tytus  <ht@panix.com> wrote:
> >>    Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's 
> >
> > On Ubuntu, specifically, I believe a default screen shot tool (better
> > than xwd) is by default bound to a keystroke out of the box. I don't
> > recall which tool or the exact keystroke, but it saves images to the
> > standard pictures directory and the keystroke is something involving the
> > "prtsc" (print screen) button. Maybe just the button, maybe with shift
> > or control? Try it out.

> At first glance, I'd say it's KDE or gnome which come with it's
> screenshot utility in ubuntu.

> I don't know xwd, if you are looking for another screenshot tool, I find
> maim very convenient. I just bind this and it puts my screenshot in my
> directory :
> maim ~/ScreenShots/scrsc$(date +%y%m%d_%H%M%S).png

> If I want to select the zone of the screenshot, I've just to bind this :
> maim -m ~/ScreenShots/scrsc$(date +%y%m%d_%H%M%S).png
> And I've got a cursor which allows me to draw a rectangle.

> There are others interesting features to, like waiting for a delay before
> taking the screenshot. I'm not sure it's better than the one coming with
> gnome or KDE, but if you have neither gnome nor KDE, you don't have to
> install the full dependencies only to have screenshots.

> I don't remember why I switched from scrot to maim some times ago.

> -- 
> Si vous avez du temps ?? perdre :
> https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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#30132

In article <eli$2006171705@qaz.wtf>,
Eli the Bearded  <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc, Hul Tytus  <ht@panix.com> wrote:
>>    After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save
>> the screen from the results of continued and needless display of the
>> same image. Ah so... I was looking for a program enabling pressing a
>> key & having the screen's image placed in a file for later recall.
>> Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the suitable term?
>
>Screenshot. Often a tool is already installed for that. xwd will work in
>a pinch, but it's old and only writes images to obscure xwd format.
>Imagemagick's convert has no problems with that format:
>
>	xwd -root | convert xwd:- "$filename"

Or just use Imagemagick's 'import' utility, which does it all.

-- 
Atheism:
    It's like being the only sober person in the car, and nobody will let you drive.

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#30143

Thanks Kenny. I'll take a look.

Hul

Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
> In article <eli$2006171705@qaz.wtf>,
> Eli the Bearded  <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> >In comp.os.linux.misc, Hul Tytus  <ht@panix.com> wrote:
> >>    After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save
> >> the screen from the results of continued and needless display of the
> >> same image. Ah so... I was looking for a program enabling pressing a
> >> key & having the screen's image placed in a file for later recall.
> >> Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the suitable term?
> >
> >Screenshot. Often a tool is already installed for that. xwd will work in
> >a pinch, but it's old and only writes images to obscure xwd format.
> >Imagemagick's convert has no problems with that format:
> >
> >       xwd -root | convert xwd:- "$filename"

> Or just use Imagemagick's 'import' utility, which does it all.

> -- 
> Atheism:
>     It's like being the only sober person in the car, and nobody will let you drive.

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#30141

Many thanks, Eli. That should keep me busy for a day or two.

Hul

Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc, Hul Tytus  <ht@panix.com> wrote:
> >    After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save the screen 
> > from the results of continued and needless display of the same image. Ah so... 
> > I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key & having the screen's 
> > image placed in a file for later recall. Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the 
> > suitable term?

> Screenshot. Often a tool is already installed for that. xwd will work in
> a pinch, but it's old and only writes images to obscure xwd format.
> Imagemagick's convert has no problems with that format:

>         xwd -root | convert xwd:- "$filename"

> will capture the full screen and save it to $filename (which should
> include an extension such as .png or .jpg to specify format).

> >    Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's 

> On Ubuntu, specifically, I believe a default screen shot tool (better
> than xwd) is by default bound to a keystroke out of the box. I don't
> recall which tool or the exact keystroke, but it saves images to the
> standard pictures directory and the keystroke is something involving the
> "prtsc" (print screen) button. Maybe just the button, maybe with shift
> or control? Try it out.

> At this point I can't remember what the standard pictures directory is.
> $HOME/Pictures or $HOME/Images probably. I override the default because
> directories with capital letters are not to my tastes.

> $ cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
> XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/.empty"
> XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/downloads"
> XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR="$HOME/work"
> XDG_PUBLICSHARE_DIR="$HOME/tmp"
> XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR="$HOME/notes"
> XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/tmp"
> XDG_PICTURES_DIR="$HOME/images"
> XDG_VIDEOS_DIR="$HOME/video"
> $

> > sudo or ubuntu's witholding the administrator's password?

> "sudo passwd root" works. Boot to single user mode and changing root's
> password has always worked. Capturing a screenshot requires access to
> X11, not root permissions.

> Elijah
> ------
> there are a lot of screen shot tools these days

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#30133

On 6/17/20 1:12 PM, Hul Tytus wrote:
>     After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save the screen
> from the results of continued and needless display of the same image. Ah so...
> I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key & having the screen's
> image placed in a file for later recall. Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the
> suitable term?
>     Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's
> sudo or ubuntu's witholding the administrator's password? One that has the
> "snapshot" (...) capability, too. And one that can be "housed" in a usb flash
> and booted when needed.
> 
> Hul
> 
	I started on Mandriva in 2006 and graduated to PCLinuxOS
(a rolling release) in 2013.
  Lately with a fresh usb/dvd capable set of isos out nearly
every month, 2020.06 may be out now. If you can tolerate
systemd, Mageia 7.1 which is updated when they get around
to it. There were in the past a lot of screensavers
including slideshows and mathematical based graphic.	

	Both have KDE capable desktop managers but I prefer
SDDM for my customized KDE desktop.  KDE is capable of great
customization in terms of the desk top with menus in text or
with more or less use of icons.
	While Mageia has an installer iso with support for
several desktops. PCLinux uses live Installer iso files for
Mate and XFCE as well as KDE with installer tools that are
easy to use  There are isos for Mate and XFCE as well as KDE,
and the community piles on at some interval with updates for
  whatever interfaces and native lanuage versions that they
care to support but in regular PCLinux you can download a
locale package to permit the conversion to a non-english
version.
  You have to reboot in PCLinux to set the root password and
create your user account but in Mageia it is in a segment of
the regular install.
   Both processes apart from the reboot are essentially
the same.
Both require frequent updates.but to keep things simple
have package managers that use graphic user interfaces
that are similar to Mandriva drakrpm but which differ in
design: on the PCLinux, Synaptic does the job.
If you want to update your kernel painless you can do
that but I prefer to search on kernel in synaptic then
do painless installs of later versions and removal of
old kernels in Synaptic.  2 older version are available
if you have problems with aspects of your hardware
  Not sure of the name of the tool in Computer Control
Center on Mageia which is a set of tools which can be
accessed thru a GUI or via a text interface. The same
on PCLinux where as well you can using root to start
the very similar PCC center you can access as with
Mageia user accounts to elevate your privileges as
user to take care of nearly anything with the single
password thatyou use to log in.  I do that generally
but have not bothered with my last installs.  Auto
logons can be enabled, parts of the system encrypted.
	So I recommend PCLinux on which I run Mageia
in a Virtual Bon for the sake of Angband.
	Several screen savers for Mate and XFCE and
for X are in the repository.  Finally PCLinuxOS 64 has
no current 32 bit distributions. But Mageia does have a
32-bit version in addition to 64 bit.

	bliss gonna go lay down now but E-S was down and came back as
I played Angband.

-- 
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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#30144

Thanks for the info Bobbie.

Hul

Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> On 6/17/20 1:12 PM, Hul Tytus wrote:
> >     After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save the screen
> > from the results of continued and needless display of the same image. Ah so...
> > I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key & having the screen's
> > image placed in a file for later recall. Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the
> > suitable term?
> >     Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's
> > sudo or ubuntu's witholding the administrator's password? One that has the
> > "snapshot" (...) capability, too. And one that can be "housed" in a usb flash
> > and booted when needed.
> > 
> > Hul
> > 
>        I started on Mandriva in 2006 and graduated to PCLinuxOS
> (a rolling release) in 2013.
>  Lately with a fresh usb/dvd capable set of isos out nearly
> every month, 2020.06 may be out now. If you can tolerate
> systemd, Mageia 7.1 which is updated when they get around
> to it. There were in the past a lot of screensavers
> including slideshows and mathematical based graphic.    

>        Both have KDE capable desktop managers but I prefer
> SDDM for my customized KDE desktop.  KDE is capable of great
> customization in terms of the desk top with menus in text or
> with more or less use of icons.
>        While Mageia has an installer iso with support for
> several desktops. PCLinux uses live Installer iso files for
> Mate and XFCE as well as KDE with installer tools that are
> easy to use  There are isos for Mate and XFCE as well as KDE,
> and the community piles on at some interval with updates for
>  whatever interfaces and native lanuage versions that they
> care to support but in regular PCLinux you can download a
> locale package to permit the conversion to a non-english
> version.
>  You have to reboot in PCLinux to set the root password and
> create your user account but in Mageia it is in a segment of
> the regular install.
>   Both processes apart from the reboot are essentially
> the same.
> Both require frequent updates.but to keep things simple
> have package managers that use graphic user interfaces
> that are similar to Mandriva drakrpm but which differ in
> design: on the PCLinux, Synaptic does the job.
> If you want to update your kernel painless you can do
> that but I prefer to search on kernel in synaptic then
> do painless installs of later versions and removal of
> old kernels in Synaptic.  2 older version are available
> if you have problems with aspects of your hardware
>  Not sure of the name of the tool in Computer Control
> Center on Mageia which is a set of tools which can be
> accessed thru a GUI or via a text interface. The same
> on PCLinux where as well you can using root to start
> the very similar PCC center you can access as with
> Mageia user accounts to elevate your privileges as
> user to take care of nearly anything with the single
> password thatyou use to log in.  I do that generally
> but have not bothered with my last installs.  Auto
> logons can be enabled, parts of the system encrypted.
>        So I recommend PCLinux on which I run Mageia
> in a Virtual Bon for the sake of Angband.
>        Several screen savers for Mate and XFCE and
> for X are in the repository.  Finally PCLinuxOS 64 has
> no current 32 bit distributions. But Mageia does have a
> 32-bit version in addition to 64 bit.

>        bliss gonna go lay down now but E-S was down and came back as
> I played Angband.

> -- 
> bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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#30137

On 6/17/20 1:12 PM, Hul Tytus wrote:
>     After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save the screen
> from the results of continued and needless display of the same image. Ah so...
> I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key & having the screen's
> image placed in a file for later recall. Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the
> suitable term?
>     Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's
> sudo or ubuntu's witholding the administrator's password? One that has the
> "snapshot" (...) capability, too. And one that can be "housed" in a usb flash
> and booted when needed.
> 
> Hul
> 
	I started on Mandriva in 2006 and graduated to PCLinuxOS
(a rolling release) in 2013.
  Lately with a fresh usb/dvd capable set of isos out nearly
every month, 2020.06 may be out now. If you can tolerate
systemd, Mageia 7.1 which is updated when they get around
to it. There were in the past a lot of screensavers
including slideshows and mathematical based graphic.	

	Both have KDE capable desktop managers but I prefer
SDDM for my customized KDE desktop.  KDE is capable of great
customization in terms of the desk top with menus in text or
with more or less use of icons.
	While Mageia has an installer iso with support for
several desktops. PCLinux uses live Installer iso files for
Mate and XFCE as well as KDE with installer tools that are
easy to use  There are isos for Mate and XFCE as well as KDE,
and the community piles on at some interval with updates for
  whatever interfaces and native lanuage versions that they
care to support but in regular PCLinux you can download a
locale package to permit the conversion to a non-english
version.
  You have to reboot in PCLinux to set the root password and
create your user account but in Mageia it is in a segment of
the regular install.
   Both processes apart from the reboot are essentially
the same.
Both require frequent updates.but to keep things simple
have package managers that use graphic user interfaces
that are similar to Mandriva drakrpm but which differ in
design: on the PCLinux, Synaptic does the job.
If you want to update your kernel painless you can do
that but I prefer to search on kernel in synaptic then
do painless installs of later versions and removal of
old kernels in Synaptic.  2 older version are available
if you have problems with aspects of your hardware
  Not sure of the name of the tool in Computer Control
Center on Mageia which is a set of tools which can be
accessed thru a GUI or via a text interface. The same
on PCLinux where as well you can using root to start
the very similar PCC center you can access as with
Mageia user accounts to elevate your privileges as
user to take care of nearly anything with the single
password thatyou use to log in.  I do that generally
but have not bothered with my last installs.  Auto
logons can be enabled, parts of the system encrypted.
	So I recommend PCLinux on which I run Mageia
in a Virtual Bon for the sake of Angband.
	Several screen savers for Mate and XFCE and
for X are in the repository.  Finally PCLinuxOS 64 has
no current 32 bit distributions. But Mageia does have a
32-bit version in addition to 64 bit.

	bliss gonna go lay down now but E-S was down and came back as
I played Angband.

-- 
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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#30154

On 2020-06-18, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 6/17/20 1:12 PM, Hul Tytus wrote:
>> After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save the
>> screen from the results of continued and needless display of the same
>> image.  Ah so...  I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key
>> & having the screen's image placed in a file for later recall.
>> Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the suitable term?
>>
>> Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with
>> ubuntu's sudo or ubuntu's witholding the administrator's password?
>> One that has the "snapshot" (...) capability, too. And one that can
>> be "housed" in a usb flash and booted when needed.
>> 
>> Hul
>> 
> I started on Mandriva in 2006 and graduated to PCLinuxOS (a rolling
> release) in 2013.
[snip]

Based on your description of PCLinuxOS, it sounds like it was cut from
the same cloth as ArkLinux, a discontinued distro that I used in the
early 2000s. It was really great for a small distro and was quite ahead
of its time in many ways. I believe its main developer, bero, is now
with OpenMandriva.

To Hul's question, once you've distro-hopped for a while, you start to
get to know the system and realize that Linux is Linux to a certain
extent. If you know how the system works under the hood, you should be
able to get any Linux system to do what you tell it to do.

I prefer Slackware because it stays out of my way and provides mostly
vanilla packages. It's something close to Linux from Scratch except
pre-compiled.

The only issue is, its stable releases have become fewer and further
between; the latest stable release came out in 2016.

OHOT, its -current is updated so frequently that it can frankly be a bit
hard to keep up. I wish the stable releases would be as frequent as they
used to be, but I still think it's a system worth trying for those
looking to try something new but want a Linux system that will stay out
of the user's way.

Other good contenders are Arch if you don't mind a pure rolling release,
Debian, Gentoo... I've heard good things about Void as well.

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#30155

On 20.06.2020 at 21:03, Rathbone scribbled:

> On 2020-06-18, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
> > I started on Mandriva in 2006 and graduated to PCLinuxOS (a rolling
> > release) in 2013.  
> 
> Based on your description of PCLinuxOS, it sounds like it was cut from
> the same cloth as ArkLinux, a discontinued distro that I used in the
> early 2000s.

No, PCLinuxOS started off as a spinoff from Mandriva when Mandriva
(formerly Mandrake) fired several of its longstanding staff members,
among whom Bill "TexStar/Tex" Reynolds, one of their senior packagers.

Later on, after another major developer layoff "for economical reasons"
— read: Mandriva had been fraught with corporate mismanagement for many
years — a great number of developers voluntarily left Mandriva and,
together with the ones that were laid off, started Mageia, a purely
community-driven distribution, as a fork from Mandriva.

Mandriva carried on for a while, but soon discovered that they couldn't
compete with Mageia.  Eventually Mandriva was sold and rebranded itself
to OpenMandriva.

PCLinuxOS has in the meantime evolved quite a bit away from its
original Mandrake/Mandriva base.  It still uses the same
Mandriva-sourced graphical administration tools, but it's a
bleeding-edge rolling-release distribution, and it comes with the
non-free drivers installed by default.

It still has a couple of rough edges — in my personal and,
admittedly, quite demanding opinion — but for most part, it's pretty
solid, and it's a very decent distribution for both beginners and
experienced users alike.  Several desktop environments are offered, but
not GNOME 3, because PCLinuxOS still uses System V init (with
parallelized boot-up scripts) and GNOME 3 requires systemd.

It also has a great community, and Tex is always on the ball.  Forum
members who've made a certain number of posts can request package
additions, and Tex will usually accommodate those requests, if he can.

> Other good contenders are Arch if you don't mind a pure rolling
> release, Debian, Gentoo... I've heard good things about Void as well.

Manjaro is based upon Arch, and it too is a rolling-release
distribution, but it's much more stable, because the updates are
bundled together and only issued once or twice a month — at most three
times — and after thorough testing by the community.  The Manjaro
Unstable branch corresponds to Arch Stable, and from Manjaro Stable,
things percolate down into Manjaro Testing, and then in either Manjaro
Stable or in Manjaro Stable Staging.

Manjaro also has a graphical installer — as well as a menu-driven
installation method known as Architect, which gives you more control
over what desktop environment you choose, and so on — and has
graphical administration tools, as well as some other additional
command-line administration tools that Arch proper doesn't have.  It
also offers access to the Arch User Repository, from which you can
download additional software — usually to be compiled on the local
system by way of a PKGBUILD script, but sometimes also in binary form.
And, it does also have Snap and FlatPak support, for those who want
that.

I've been using Manjaro for well over a year now, and I haven't had any
major problems with it yet whatsoever.  Everything usually just works,
and if there is a problem, then it's usually only a small one that's
easily fixed.

In a way, you could say that Manjaro is to Arch what Sabayon is to
Gentoo.  And like PCLinuxOS, Manjaro has a great community — certainly
a lot friendlier than the Arch community, which for most part has an
elitist attitude to it.


-- 
With respect,
= Aragorn =

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#30179

On 2020-06-21, Aragorn wrote:
> On 20.06.2020 at 21:03, Rathbone scribbled:
>
>> On 2020-06-18, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>> > I started on Mandriva in 2006 and graduated to PCLinuxOS (a rolling
>> > release) in 2013.  
>> 
>> Based on your description of PCLinuxOS, it sounds like it was cut from
>> the same cloth as ArkLinux, a discontinued distro that I used in the
>> early 2000s.
>
> No, PCLinuxOS started off as a spinoff from Mandriva when Mandriva
> (formerly Mandrake) fired several of its longstanding staff members,
> among whom Bill "TexStar/Tex" Reynolds, one of their senior packagers.
> [snip]

"Cut from the same cloth" doesn't necessarily mean that they were
derived from the same distro, literally. I just mean they had similar
philosophies. They were also both KDE-centric, and both also combined
similar technologies that were not common to combine, like apt+rpm.

>> [snip]

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#30187

On 22.06.2020 at 20:20, Rathbone scribbled:

> On 2020-06-21, Aragorn wrote:
> > On 20.06.2020 at 21:03, Rathbone scribbled:
> >  
> >> On 2020-06-18, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> >>  
> >> > I started on Mandriva in 2006 and graduated to PCLinuxOS (a
> >> > rolling release) in 2013.    
> >> 
> >> Based on your description of PCLinuxOS, it sounds like it was cut
> >> from the same cloth as ArkLinux, a discontinued distro that I used
> >> in the early 2000s.  
> >
> > No, PCLinuxOS started off as a spinoff from Mandriva when Mandriva
> > (formerly Mandrake) fired several of its longstanding staff members,
> > among whom Bill "TexStar/Tex" Reynolds, one of their senior
> > packagers. [snip]  
> 
> "Cut from the same cloth" doesn't necessarily mean that they were
> derived from the same distro, literally. I just mean they had similar
> philosophies. They were also both KDE-centric, and both also combined
> similar technologies that were not common to combine, like apt+rpm.

I wouldn't call PCLinuxOS KDE-centric.  Yes, KDE Plasma is one of the
offers, but there is also an official XFCE edition, and I'm not sure
but I think the Enlightenment edition would also be official.  And then
there are the various community editions with MATE, LXDE/LXQt, and so
on.

For that matter, the KDE Plasma edition even defaults to GDM2 as the
display manager — SDDM is in the repository — and the PCLOS
administration tools are all GTK-based, given that they were forked
from Mandriva.

-- 
With respect,
= Aragorn =

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#30178

  Thanks for the info. At this point, all I need to add is a printer small
enough to carry in the car when I'm travelling. Maybe one that
scans pages too. Then would be the time to look at other linux's that
are a little handier. 
  Any recommendations for a printer?

Hul


Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> wrote:
> On 2020-06-18, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> > On 6/17/20 1:12 PM, Hul Tytus wrote:
> >> After reading the remarks here it's apparent "screensaver"s save the
> >> screen from the results of continued and needless display of the same
> >> image.  Ah so...  I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key
> >> & having the screen's image placed in a file for later recall.
> >> Snapshot maybe? Imagesave? What's the suitable term?
> >>
> >> Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with
> >> ubuntu's sudo or ubuntu's witholding the administrator's password?
> >> One that has the "snapshot" (...) capability, too. And one that can
> >> be "housed" in a usb flash and booted when needed.
> >> 
> >> Hul
> >> 
> > I started on Mandriva in 2006 and graduated to PCLinuxOS (a rolling
> > release) in 2013.
> [snip]

> Based on your description of PCLinuxOS, it sounds like it was cut from
> the same cloth as ArkLinux, a discontinued distro that I used in the
> early 2000s. It was really great for a small distro and was quite ahead
> of its time in many ways. I believe its main developer, bero, is now
> with OpenMandriva.

> To Hul's question, once you've distro-hopped for a while, you start to
> get to know the system and realize that Linux is Linux to a certain
> extent. If you know how the system works under the hood, you should be
> able to get any Linux system to do what you tell it to do.

> I prefer Slackware because it stays out of my way and provides mostly
> vanilla packages. It's something close to Linux from Scratch except
> pre-compiled.

> The only issue is, its stable releases have become fewer and further
> between; the latest stable release came out in 2016.

> OHOT, its -current is updated so frequently that it can frankly be a bit
> hard to keep up. I wish the stable releases would be as frequent as they
> used to be, but I still think it's a system worth trying for those
> looking to try something new but want a Linux system that will stay out
> of the user's way.

> Other good contenders are Arch if you don't mind a pure rolling release,
> Debian, Gentoo... I've heard good things about Void as well.

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#30138

Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> wrote:
> I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key & having the 
> screen's image placed in a file for later recall.  Snapshot maybe?  
> Imagesave?  What's the suitable term?

Screenshot or screen grab.

>   Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's 

The xv [1] image viewer includes screen shot capability, and it also allows 
some rudimentary editing of the result before saving, and will save 
into several different formats.

When I want to take a screen shot, xv is the tool I normally use.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)

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#30145

Thanks Rich. I'll take a look.

Hul

Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> wrote:
> > I was looking for a program enabling pressing a key & having the 
> > screen's image placed in a file for later recall.  Snapshot maybe?  
> > Imagesave?  What's the suitable term?

> Screenshot or screen grab.

> >   Also, any suggestion on a Linux system that isn't hindered with ubuntu's 

> The xv [1] image viewer includes screen shot capability, and it also allows 
> some rudimentary editing of the result before saving, and will save 
> into several different formats.

> When I want to take a screen shot, xv is the tool I normally use.

> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)

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