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Best Linux for senior citizens?

Started byDave <dboland9@protonmail.com>
First post2019-08-22 09:15 -0400
Last post2019-08-26 13:26 -0400
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  Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 09:15 -0400
    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:45 +0200
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 10:28 -0400
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:39 +0100
          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 16:54 +0200
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2019-08-22 11:07 -0400
          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 20:41 +0200
            Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2019-08-25 10:37 -0400
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2019-08-25 10:32 -0400
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 17:28 +0100
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-22 18:46 +0000
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-22 15:35 -0400
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-29 03:25 +0000
          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-29 03:27 +0000
            Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-29 04:03 +0000
              Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-30 02:40 +0000
                Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-30 05:24 +0000
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 15:49 -0700
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-25 23:00 +0000
          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-25 16:50 -0700
            Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-26 23:35 +0000
              Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-26 17:48 -0700
              Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 20:16 -0500
                Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-26 19:46 -0700
                  Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:42 -0400
                    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:20 +0200
                      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:01 -0400
                        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-29 15:57 +0200
                Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 22:12 -0700
                  Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-27 03:22 -0700
                  Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 13:43 +0200
                  Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-27 16:38 +0000
                    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-27 17:12 +0000
                      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
                        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-27 15:46 -0700
                          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-28 14:21 +0200
                            Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-28 07:49 -0700
                            Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-29 07:45 +0100
                        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-28 02:11 +0000
                        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-08-28 20:19 +0000
                          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-29 02:56 +0000
                    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-27 19:11 +0000
                    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
                Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 13:08 +0200
                  Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-08-29 16:48 -0500
                Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:34 -0400
                  Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:16 +0200
                    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 12:59 -0400
                      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-08-29 16:50 -0500
                  Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
                    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:50 -0400
                      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-28 11:45 -0700
                        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-29 12:27 -0400
                          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:47 -0400
                        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:27 -0400
                      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-28 18:50 +0000
                      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-29 15:59 +0200
                  Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-27 17:00 -0400
                    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-28 14:23 +0200
                Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-27 23:45 +0000
                  Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:59 -0400
                    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-28 23:40 +0000
              Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:18 -0400
    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:39 +0100
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-26 16:47 +0200
          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 10:55 -0500
            Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:18 -0400
              Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-26 23:45 +0200
                Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 17:36 -0500
                Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:24 -0400
                  Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:12 +0200
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-26 16:37 +0100
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-26 19:23 +0000
    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2019-08-22 14:45 +0000
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-22 10:19 -0500
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 14:37 -0400
          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-22 16:04 -0500
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2019-08-22 18:43 +0000
          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 17:08 -0400
            Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2019-08-23 05:25 +0000
            Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-23 15:45 -0400
              Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-24 14:55 -0400
                Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-24 21:02 +0200
    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-22 14:48 -0400
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 17:15 -0400
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 00:11 +0200
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 08:36 +0100
          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 09:06 +0100
            Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 12:33 +0100
              Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 14:03 +0100
                Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 16:28 +0200
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-08-26 20:35 +0000
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:25 -0400
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 08:31 +0100
    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-23 03:54 +0000
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-23 01:05 -0400
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-23 02:04 -0400
          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-23 01:59 -0500
          Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-23 03:06 -0400
            Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-23 07:27 -0400
            Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 16:35 +0200
              Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 18:05 +0100
    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-25 22:23 +0000
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:01 -0400
    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:04 -0400
        Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-26 17:49 +0000
    Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-26 09:45 -0700
      Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-26 13:26 -0400

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#27972

Fromnot@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Date2019-08-26 23:35 +0000
Message-ID<qk1qc2$aav$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#27954
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 8/25/19 4:00 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> And DONOTDONOTDONOT forget to set up their printer, or you
>>> are going back out there!
>> 
>> At which point you discover that there is no Linux driver that works
>> properly with it, and it's a new one that they proudly bought the
>> other day. Then you're in trouble.
> 
> Been there done that, but a lot of years ago.
> 
> Now-a-days, you just fire up your web browser and go
> get the ppd from
> 
>      http://openprinting.org/printers

Jeeze don't I wish. Certainly it's the case a lot of the time, but
the last printer that I tried to get working (Samsung CLP-610ND - not
even new) has become a project put off indefinitely after a failed
six hour marathon of determinedly trying to get either of two Linux
drivers to work properly.

And that's not the only recent story of failure. Printing with Linux
tends to either just work, or just doesn't. The problem is the insane
number of different printer models that are brought out all the time
by manufacturers, usually without much thought for Linux. There are
just too many for open-source drivers to be comprehensively tested
and bugfixed by volunteers, so it comes down to chance as to whether
they work or not.

It sounds like you've had quite a streak of luck for some years now,
or else I've been particularly unlucky...

-- 
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#27973

FromT <T@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-08-26 17:48 -0700
Message-ID<qk1ulb$q7l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#27972
On 8/26/19 4:35 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 8/25/19 4:00 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And DONOTDONOTDONOT forget to set up their printer, or you
>>>> are going back out there!
>>>
>>> At which point you discover that there is no Linux driver that works
>>> properly with it, and it's a new one that they proudly bought the
>>> other day. Then you're in trouble.
>>
>> Been there done that, but a lot of years ago.
>>
>> Now-a-days, you just fire up your web browser and go
>> get the ppd from
>>
>>       http://openprinting.org/printers
> 
> Jeeze don't I wish. Certainly it's the case a lot of the time, but
> the last printer that I tried to get working (Samsung CLP-610ND - not
> even new) has become a project put off indefinitely after a failed
> six hour marathon of determinedly trying to get either of two Linux
> drivers to work properly.
> 
> And that's not the only recent story of failure. Printing with Linux
> tends to either just work, or just doesn't. The problem is the insane
> number of different printer models that are brought out all the time
> by manufacturers, usually without much thought for Linux. There are
> just too many for open-source drivers to be comprehensively tested
> and bugfixed by volunteers, so it comes down to chance as to whether
> they work or not.
> 
> It sounds like you've had quite a streak of luck for some years now,
> or else I've been particularly unlucky...
> 

Does it support pcl or ps?

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#27974

FromRobert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com>
Date2019-08-26 20:16 -0500
Message-ID<Lpqdnb9wg6n1GfnAnZ2dnUU7-LHNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#27972
At Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:35:31 +0000 (UTC) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

> 
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > On 8/25/19 4:00 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> >> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> And DONOTDONOTDONOT forget to set up their printer, or you
> >>> are going back out there!
> >> 
> >> At which point you discover that there is no Linux driver that works
> >> properly with it, and it's a new one that they proudly bought the
> >> other day. Then you're in trouble.
> > 
> > Been there done that, but a lot of years ago.
> > 
> > Now-a-days, you just fire up your web browser and go
> > get the ppd from
> > 
> >      http://openprinting.org/printers
> 
> Jeeze don't I wish. Certainly it's the case a lot of the time, but
> the last printer that I tried to get working (Samsung CLP-610ND - not
> even new) has become a project put off indefinitely after a failed
> six hour marathon of determinedly trying to get either of two Linux
> drivers to work properly.

Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer.  Don't even bother, esp. 
since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.

When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript.  These 
will almost always work out of the box.

There are a handful of brands that will generally work well.  I suspect going 
to http://openprinting.org/printers and/or checking the distro's shipped 
collection of ppds *before* going off the the mall and buying the cheapeast or 
snazzist printer is also a really good idea.

> 
> And that's not the only recent story of failure. Printing with Linux
> tends to either just work, or just doesn't. The problem is the insane
> number of different printer models that are brought out all the time
> by manufacturers, usually without much thought for Linux. There are
> just too many for open-source drivers to be comprehensively tested
> and bugfixed by volunteers, so it comes down to chance as to whether
> they work or not.

Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above).

> 
> It sounds like you've had quite a streak of luck for some years now,
> or else I've been particularly unlucky...
> 

-- 
Robert Heller             -- 978-544-6933
Deepwoods Software        -- Custom Software Services
http://www.deepsoft.com/  -- Linux Administration Services
heller@deepsoft.com       -- Webhosting Services
                   

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#27975

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com>
Date2019-08-26 19:46 -0700
Message-ID<qk25hb$n3a$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#27974
On 8/26/19 6:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:35:31 +0000 (UTC) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
> 
>>
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 8/25/19 4:00 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And DONOTDONOTDONOT forget to set up their printer, or you
>>>>> are going back out there!
>>>>
>>>> At which point you discover that there is no Linux driver that works
>>>> properly with it, and it's a new one that they proudly bought the
>>>> other day. Then you're in trouble.
>>>
>>> Been there done that, but a lot of years ago.
>>>
>>> Now-a-days, you just fire up your web browser and go
>>> get the ppd from
>>>
>>>       http://openprinting.org/printers
>>
>> Jeeze don't I wish. Certainly it's the case a lot of the time, but
>> the last printer that I tried to get working (Samsung CLP-610ND - not
>> even new) has become a project put off indefinitely after a failed
>> six hour marathon of determinedly trying to get either of two Linux
>> drivers to work properly.
> 
> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer.  Don't even bother, esp.
> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.

	My HP Envy 5055 worked well out of the box and it was certainly 
inexpensive and the ink cartriges are not expensive,

	The Epson NX 515 worked with similar ease but the cartriges were
expensive and it seemed as though I was frequently running out of ink.

> 
> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript.  These
> will almost always work out of the box.
> 
> There are a handful of brands that will generally work well.  I suspect going
> to http://openprinting.org/printers and/or checking the distro's shipped
> collection of ppds *before* going off the the mall and buying the cheapeast or
> snazzist printer is also a really good idea.
> 
>>
>> And that's not the only recent story of failure. Printing with Linux
>> tends to either just work, or just doesn't. The problem is the insane
>> number of different printer models that are brought out all the time
>> by manufacturers, usually without much thought for Linux. There are
>> just too many for open-source drivers to be comprehensively tested
>> and bugfixed by volunteers, so it comes down to chance as to whether
>> they work or not.
> 
> Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above).
> 
>>
>> It sounds like you've had quite a streak of luck for some years now,
>> or else I've been particularly unlucky...
>>

	Err... see the steps mention above? Try those before buying and
look around for reviews by Linux users on the Net.

	bliss


-- 
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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#27986

FromAndreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Date2019-08-27 14:42 -0400
Message-ID<87mufusb50.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>
In reply to#27975
On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 19:46:02 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
> On 8/26/19 6:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>>
>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer.  Don't even bother, esp.
>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.
>
> 	My HP Envy 5055 worked well out of the box and it was
> certainly inexpensive and the ink cartriges are not expensive,

I just remember that the $29 printer was an Envy XXXX. Super easy to
install. It's some years ago bit IIRC when I plugged USB in the HP-Tool
box popped and wanted confirmation to install a driver. That took seconds
and without reboot he could print the first page.

>> Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above).

That you can do when shopping online. But if you prefer brick and mortar
you need to write names down as the store usually doesn't give customers
access to their WIFI network to look it up there with a smart phone.
-- 
Andreas

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#27990

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2019-08-27 23:20 +0200
Message-ID<6djg3g-4og.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#27986
On 27/08/2019 20.42, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 19:46:02 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>> On 8/26/19 6:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>>>
>>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer.  Don't even bother, esp.
>>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.
>>
>> 	My HP Envy 5055 worked well out of the box and it was
>> certainly inexpensive and the ink cartriges are not expensive,
> 
> I just remember that the $29 printer was an Envy XXXX. Super easy to
> install. It's some years ago bit IIRC when I plugged USB in the HP-Tool
> box popped and wanted confirmation to install a driver. That took seconds
> and without reboot he could print the first page.
> 
>>> Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above).
> 
> That you can do when shopping online. But if you prefer brick and mortar
> you need to write names down as the store usually doesn't give customers
> access to their WIFI network to look it up there with a smart phone.

The store here does give us WiFi access, but I prefer using my data plan
rather than an unknown wifi. Also I prefer to make a photo and look it
up at home, unless at some hurry.

I know at least to supermarket type shops that give wifi to customers,
they know that people want to check up the things.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#28003

FromAndreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Date2019-08-28 13:01 -0400
Message-ID<87a7bt442j.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>
In reply to#27990
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 23:20:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> On 27/08/2019 20.42, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> 
>> That you can do when shopping online. But if you prefer brick and mortar
>> you need to write names down as the store usually doesn't give customers
>> access to their WIFI network to look it up there with a smart phone.
>
> The store here does give us WiFi access, but I prefer using my data plan
> rather than an unknown wifi. Also I prefer to make a photo and look it
> up at home, unless at some hurry.
>
> I know at least to supermarket type shops that give wifi to customers,
> they know that people want to check up the things.

If a Staples or other electronic retailer, which do not offer WIFI for
customers, are in a mall you might be lucky to use the mall WIFI in the store.
-- 
Andreas

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#28018

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2019-08-29 15:57 +0200
Message-ID<v62l3g-sps.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#28003
On 28/08/2019 19.01, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 23:20:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> On 27/08/2019 20.42, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>
>>> That you can do when shopping online. But if you prefer brick and mortar
>>> you need to write names down as the store usually doesn't give customers
>>> access to their WIFI network to look it up there with a smart phone.
>>
>> The store here does give us WiFi access, but I prefer using my data plan
>> rather than an unknown wifi. Also I prefer to make a photo and look it
>> up at home, unless at some hurry.
>>
>> I know at least to supermarket type shops that give wifi to customers,
>> they know that people want to check up the things.
> 
> If a Staples or other electronic retailer, which do not offer WIFI for
> customers, are in a mall you might be lucky to use the mall WIFI in the store.

Shame on them.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27976

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2019-08-26 22:12 -0700
Message-ID<qk2e3o$mjj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#27974
On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:35:31 +0000 (UTC) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>
>>
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> > On 8/25/19 4:00 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> >> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> And DONOTDONOTDONOT forget to set up their printer, or you
>> >>> are going back out there!
>> >>
>> >> At which point you discover that there is no Linux driver that works
>> >> properly with it, and it's a new one that they proudly bought the
>> >> other day. Then you're in trouble.
>> >
>> > Been there done that, but a lot of years ago.
>> >
>> > Now-a-days, you just fire up your web browser and go
>> > get the ppd from
>> >
>> >      http://openprinting.org/printers
>>
>> Jeeze don't I wish. Certainly it's the case a lot of the time, but
>> the last printer that I tried to get working (Samsung CLP-610ND - not
>> even new) has become a project put off indefinitely after a failed
>> six hour marathon of determinedly trying to get either of two Linux
>> drivers to work properly.
>
> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer.  Don't even bother, esp.
> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.
>
> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript.  These
> will almost always work out of the box.
>
> There are a handful of brands that will generally work well.  I suspect going
> to http://openprinting.org/printers and/or checking the distro's shipped
> collection of ppds *before* going off the the mall and buying the cheapeast or
> snazzist printer is also a really good idea.
>>
>> And that's not the only recent story of failure. Printing with Linux
>> tends to either just work, or just doesn't. The problem is the insane
>> number of different printer models that are brought out all the time
>> by manufacturers, usually without much thought for Linux. There are
>> just too many for open-source drivers to be comprehensively tested
>> and bugfixed by volunteers, so it comes down to chance as to whether
>> they work or not.
>
> Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above).

I've been happy with my super-cheap Brother laser printer since 2009. 
Cartridges from ebay are cheap.  Linux-friendly.  Much better built, 
albeit really light and cheesy-feeling, than the cheap Samsung printer I 
had before, which never worked right.

77, running slackware since 1995 or thereabouts.  Always use the distro 
your live-in tech support person does :-)

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "When I was in college, the only job I could get was
    shitting on people's lawns.  Sure, the owners complained,
    but it was honest work and it kept me off welfare..."
                         -- M. Tabnik in mcfl (paraphrased)

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#27977

FromT <T@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-08-27 03:22 -0700
Message-ID<qk308n$dv9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#27976
So far the seniors I have on linux just go out and buy
whatever they want (printer) and surprise me when they
unwrap it.   So far, I have always got them to work.
But that was not always the case even 10 years ago.

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#27979

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2019-08-27 13:43 +0200
Message-ID<ekhf3g-3bq.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#27976
On 27/08/2019 07.12, The Real Bev wrote:
> 77, running slackware since 1995 or thereabouts.  Always use the distro
> your live-in tech support person does

Oh, yes :-)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27982

From"L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com>
Date2019-08-27 16:38 +0000
Message-ID<slrnqman4f.1uc.please@logantablet.local.domain>
In reply to#27976
On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>> [snip]
>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer.  Don't even bother, esp.
>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.

Agreed. Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented printing,
monochrome laser printers are by far the best value.

>> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript.  These
>> will almost always work out of the box.

True. They're also notoriously expensive.

>> [snip]
>>
>> Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above).
>
> I've been happy with my super-cheap Brother laser printer since 2009. 
> Cartridges from ebay are cheap.  Linux-friendly.  Much better built, 
> albeit really light and cheesy-feeling, than the cheap Samsung printer I 
> had before, which never worked right.
>
> 77, running slackware since 1995 or thereabouts.  Always use the distro 
> your live-in tech support person does :-)

I'm a happy Slacker too :)  Slackware with XFCE wouldn't be the worst
choice for seniors, if there is a sysadmin that can actually help with
the initial setup and security updates.

I think what I had envisioned from this thread was something that
seniors with limited computer knowledge could actually maintain as well
- mainly just applying updates.

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#27983

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2019-08-27 17:12 +0000
Message-ID<qk3oa6$hod$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#27982
L.A. Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> wrote:
> On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer.  Don't even bother, esp.
>>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.
> 
> Agreed. Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented printing,
> monochrome laser printers are by far the best value.
> 
>>> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript.  These
>>> will almost always work out of the box.
> 
> True. They're also notoriously expensive.

Not always.  My Lexmark laser I bought a few years ago came with 
Postscript included, and it was no more costly than other printers of 
the same capability range that were just HPLJ (or worse, win-printers).

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#27992

FromRobert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com>
Date2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
Message-ID<I_2dnToktsTOO_jAnZ2dnUU7-TnNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#27983
At Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:12:38 -0000 (UTC) Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

> 
> L.A. Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> wrote:
> > On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote:
> >> On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> >>> [snip]
> >>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer.  Don't even bother, esp.
> >>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.
> > 
> > Agreed. Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented printing,
> > monochrome laser printers are by far the best value.
> > 
> >>> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript.  These
> >>> will almost always work out of the box.
> > 
> > True. They're also notoriously expensive.
> 
> Not always.  My Lexmark laser I bought a few years ago came with 
> Postscript included, and it was no more costly than other printers of 
> the same capability range that were just HPLJ (or worse, win-printers).

Brother's "BRScript" (Brother's brand of PostScript) printers work well are 
not terribly expensive, especially if you figure it terms toner cart lifetime 
vs inkjet cart lifetime, and the cost of them over time.

> 
>     

-- 
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http://www.deepsoft.com/  -- Linux Administration Services
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#27995

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2019-08-27 15:46 -0700
Message-ID<qk4bra$cg3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#27992
On 08/27/2019 02:53 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:12:38 -0000 (UTC) Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> L.A. Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> wrote:
>> > On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote:
>> >> On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>> >>> [snip]
>> >>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer.  Don't even bother, esp.
>> >>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.
>> >
>> > Agreed. Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented printing,
>> > monochrome laser printers are by far the best value.
>> >
>> >>> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript.  These
>> >>> will almost always work out of the box.
>> >
>> > True. They're also notoriously expensive.
>>
>> Not always.  My Lexmark laser I bought a few years ago came with
>> Postscript included, and it was no more costly than other printers of
>> the same capability range that were just HPLJ (or worse, win-printers).

https://www.staples.com/Brother-EHL-L2320D-Mono-Laser-Printer-Refurbished/product_2072519 
for $60.  Spend a little more and get a few more features.  Or not.  The 
larger cartridges are $20.00 for 2600 pages more or less.

> Brother's "BRScript" (Brother's brand of PostScript) printers work well are
> not terribly expensive, especially if you figure it terms toner cart lifetime
> vs inkjet cart lifetime, and the cost of them over time.

Mine is an HL-2170 NOT wireless, but it's connected into the network via 
USB.  Going strong since 2009.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
     "I'm sorry I ever invented the Electoral College."
                                     Al Gore 11/08/00

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#27999

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2019-08-28 14:21 +0200
Message-ID<l68i3g-458.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#27995
On 28/08/2019 00.46, The Real Bev wrote:
> Mine is an HL-2170 NOT wireless, but it's connected into the network via
> USB.  Going strong since 2009.

But USB is not network.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#28001

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2019-08-28 07:49 -0700
Message-ID<qk64a2$v2t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#27999
On 08/28/2019 05:21 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 28/08/2019 00.46, The Real Bev wrote:
>> Mine is an HL-2170 NOT wireless, but it's connected into the network via
>> USB.  Going strong since 2009.
>
> But USB is not network.

No, it's connected into MY computer via USB, but any computer on the 
network can print to it.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   I see your point, but I still think you're full of crap.  --Shea

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#28015

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-08-29 07:45 +0100
Message-ID<qk7sb0$o73$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#27999
On 28/08/2019 13:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 28/08/2019 00.46, The Real Bev wrote:
>> Mine is an HL-2170 NOT wireless, but it's connected into the network via
>> USB.  Going strong since 2009.
> 
> But USB is not network.
> 
I went to a city via the M1
But the M1 is not a city.


-- 
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and 
higher education positively fortifies it."

    - Stephen Vizinczey

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#27998

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2019-08-28 02:11 +0000
Message-ID<qk4nta$vug$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#27992
Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
> At Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:12:38 -0000 (UTC) Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> L.A. Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> wrote:
>> > On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote:
>> >> On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>> >>> [snip]
>> >>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer.  Don't even 
>> >>> bother, esp.  since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost 
>> >>> more than the printer itself.
>> > 
>> > Agreed.  Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented 
>> > printing, monochrome laser printers are by far the best value.
>> > 
>> >>> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports 
>> >>> PostScript.  These will almost always work out of the box.
>> > 
>> > True. They're also notoriously expensive.
>> 
>> Not always.  My Lexmark laser I bought a few years ago came with 
>> Postscript included, and it was no more costly than other printers 
>> of the same capability range that were just HPLJ (or worse, 
>> win-printers).
> 
> Brother's "BRScript" (Brother's brand of PostScript) printers work 
> well are not terribly expensive, especially if you figure it terms 
> toner cart lifetime vs inkjet cart lifetime, and the cost of them 
> over time.

I suspect, but have no proof, that the Lexmark (model MS312dn) embeds a 
copy of Ghostscript for its Postscript handling.  It included network 
capability (wired and wireless, although I never installed the wireless 
card) and it works just fine from Linux with Cups.

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#28008

FromJerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid>
Date2019-08-28 20:19 +0000
Message-ID<qk6nju$k0e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#27992
Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
> At Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:12:38 -0000 (UTC) Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> L.A. Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> wrote:
>> > On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote:
>> >> On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>> >>> [snip]
>> >>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer.  Don't even bother, esp.
>> >>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.
>> > 
>> > Agreed. Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented printing,
>> > monochrome laser printers are by far the best value.
>> > 
>> >>> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript.  These
>> >>> will almost always work out of the box.
>> > 
>> > True. They're also notoriously expensive.
>> 
>> Not always.  My Lexmark laser I bought a few years ago came with 
>> Postscript included, and it was no more costly than other printers of 
>> the same capability range that were just HPLJ (or worse, win-printers).
> 
> Brother's "BRScript" (Brother's brand of PostScript) printers work well are 
> not terribly expensive, especially if you figure it terms toner cart lifetime 
> vs inkjet cart lifetime, and the cost of them over time.

Also the toner is separate from the drum unit, which makes it less
expensive than HP, where you replace the toner and the drum every
time. HL2280 networked here.

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