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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-09-24 00:02 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-09-28 01:00 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 180 — 23 participants |
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Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 00:02 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 05:06 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-24 05:43 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-27 15:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 14:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 00:26 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 01:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-28 10:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 19:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 09:37 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-04 12:04 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:12 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 09:43 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-04 15:22 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-04 17:38 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-04 20:34 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 20:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-04 22:56 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-05 09:51 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-06 02:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-07 09:56 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:55 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-08 12:58 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 09:02 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 17:35 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:29 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:58 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:45 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 14:02 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:17 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 00:55 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:35 -0400
Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 14:54 -0400
Re: Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:15 +0000
Re: Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:35 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:13 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 14:29 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:37 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 15:07 +0000
inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:45 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 00:57 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 15:28 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 23:46 +0100
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:42 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:13 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:53 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:49 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 21:51 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:10 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-09 09:00 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:24 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:52 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:11 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:56 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:50 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-05 20:25 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-04 20:35 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 09:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 11:08 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-28 12:19 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:07 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:36 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 23:35 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-29 00:28 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-28 21:08 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 05:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-29 16:32 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 18:36 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:30 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 10:12 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:33 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-09-29 19:50 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:31 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:15 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-29 08:18 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-28 00:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 11:19 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:22 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-28 18:07 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 19:18 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 23:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 09:53 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2025-10-02 18:28 +1000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2025-10-02 21:44 +0300
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 00:10 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:35 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:32 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:21 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2025-10-04 12:55 +1000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-09-24 06:49 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 11:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 16:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 14:35 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 15:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 21:32 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:38 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 00:04 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-09-25 00:44 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:07 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 12:48 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 15:52 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:09 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 09:44 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:04 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 12:48 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:15 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 21:06 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:10 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 21:09 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-06 22:08 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-06 23:30 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-07 15:16 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 02:34 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:58 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 11:06 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 14:14 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:44 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:10 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:54 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:57 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:49 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:29 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 14:32 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-09 12:50 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:11 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:37 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-10 11:19 +0200
Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:51 +0200
Re: Phone wallet c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:30 -0400
Re: Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 14:32 +0200
Re: Phone wallet c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 21:35 -0400
Re: Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 14:48 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-10 06:51 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 03:29 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:10 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 13:18 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-09 03:09 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-10 02:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 23:44 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:38 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 15:16 +0000
Faraday cages (was: Re: Floppies - Actual Question) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 17:02 +0100
Re: Faraday cages Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:48 +0000
Re: Faraday cages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:49 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:47 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:52 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:38 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 05:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 15:42 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-26 04:59 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-26 01:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 09:12 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 13:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 03:11 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:22 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-29 23:03 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 09:32 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-26 15:19 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:23 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 09:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-24 08:41 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-24 12:04 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 14:34 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> - 2025-09-24 17:11 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2025-09-28 01:00 -0700
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| Date | 2025-10-08 10:58 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <umlhrlxmm6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75772 |
On 2025-10-08 07:05, c186282 wrote: > On 10/7/25 20:34, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-07 17:16, Rich wrote: >>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>>> On 10/6/25 06:29, Stefan Ram wrote: >>>>> Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote or >>>>> quoted: >>>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 13:04:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>>> At some point in the 80's, a friend at uni wanted to go home with >>>>>>> his floppies kept safe (the train was electric). We told him to >>>>>>> try wrapping in aluminum kitchen foil, or perhaps in a cookie tin >>>>>>> box. I don't remember what he did exactly, but it worked. >>>>>>> “Faraday cage”. >>>>> >>>>> In a perfect conductor, inside the material itself (such as the >>>>> cage walls), the electric field E is zero because free charges >>>>> move to cancel any applied electric field. >>>>> >>>>> Faraday's law then implies that within the conductor, the >>>>> magnetic field B cannot be changing with time. >>>>> >>>>> Changing magnetic fields induce currents (eddy currents). These >>>>> induced currents generate opposing magnetic fields that cancel >>>>> the time-varying components inside the conductor, effectively >>>>> shielding against changing magnetic fields. >>>>> >>>>> But this does not imply zero magnetic field inside the >>>>> conductor's hollow interior (the cage's interior space). Static >>>>> fields do not induce currents because there is no changing >>>>> magnetic flux within the conductor to generate an electromotive >>>>> force. Consequently, these magnetic fields penetrate the cage >>>>> interior unaffected. >>>>> >>>>> Also, real materials might not be perfect conductors. And it >>>>> seems that, in practice, a Faraday cage can possibly protect to >>>>> some extend against fast changing magnetic fields, but less >>>>> against slowly changing magnetic fields. >>>> >>>> It would take a fairly extreme static/slow-changing >>>> field to erase floppies. You can do it - I just did >>>> a couple weeks ago - using a neo magnet at point blank >>>> range - but fields from train motors, I just don't >>>> see it. High-frequency mag fields are more dangerous >>>> but even THEN would need to be pretty strong. >>> >>> The drop off of magnetic field intensity by distance can be >>> **approximated** as 1/(d^3) (inverse cube drop). So yes, the field >>> from the train motors would need to be extremely strong, or the OP's >>> floppies would have had to be very close to the motors, for the >>> electric train motors to have any impact on the floppies. >> >> Well, some trains have motors on every carriage. Then also there was >> the thought that the overhead cable carried large currents and perhaps >> produced large fields. >> >> It was just the fear that something might happen to the floppies, and >> what should we do to prevent hypothetical damage. We had no >> experience, and there was no internet to ask other people. >> >> >>> >>>> My guess is that we're hearing an "urban legend" >>>> here. >>> >>> Yes. There are a lot of those that go around. And since the "foil >>> wrap" did nothing, but the floppies were undamaged (and the person did >>> not do an A-B test with some wrapped, some unwrapped) they delude >>> themselves into belieiving the foil wrap actually did something. >> >> I don't remember if we used just foil, or a tin box, or both. Also, I >> don't remember if there was another floppy outside. I might ask the >> other chap if you people are that interested. > > SOME precautions are logical, esp when the level > of danger is unclear. > > However train motors/feeds ... sorry, just can't > see it. The fields would be much too small. The > train body also acts as protection. > > The field needed to erase a floppy ... it'd also > fatally magnetize mechanical watches and such and > erase audio tapes. Remember when music came on > cassette tapes, you paid $$$ for those. > > The neo mag I used to 'clear' a mis-sectored floppy > is, at point-blank range, EXTREME. You don't want to > get your finger between two of those. Before the > tariffs you could buy 6x4x2-inch neo mags polarized > across the z axis. Don't know HOW you'd get those > off anything they stuck to. They all came with > warning messages. If your hand was in the way > it'd be literally pulped. I have a stack of 25x12mm > discs - indeed it's two stacks of 6 to 8. I keep > them separated by attracting each other thru a > 3/4" shelf board. > > So, floppies/tapes/hdds erasing ... I'm still going > to put it down as an old "urban legend". There was no urban legend in those years, floppies were a recent invention. We simply did not know. We invented the urban legends. > > High freqs, 400hz and a bit above, are best for > erasing magnetic media. The reversing field does > not have time to solidify a new bias in the > media. The best scheme is to start with a large > field and then taper. For "destruction" 50/60hz > will do ok. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 11:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10c5d2v$1gn95$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75787 |
On 08/10/2025 09:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> There was no urban legend in those years, floppies were a recent
> invention. We simply did not know. We invented the urban legends.
Oh dear. *We* (engineers) did know. We had had magnetic tape for at
least two decades. We knew how to bulk erase it deliberately *and*
accidentally.
And how to protect it.
And what sort of magnetic field strength it took. And what sort of
electromagnetic machines or permanent magnets could produce it, and what
separation was needed to cause issues.
The 'a little knowledge*' people who wear tinfoil hats and avoid
vaccinations were as plentiful then as they are now. And progressing
from 'strong magnetic fields can erase floppies' and 'electric fields
are stopped by metal foil' to 'so wrap floppies in foil when on electric
trains' is as appallingly an example of such people as paining your CDS
red for 'better sound quality' or 'not vaccinating your children to
prevent autism'
In the end such idiocy is either harmless, or such individuals write
themselves and their ideas out of the gene pool.
The ideas of science and technology is to come up with ideas that
represent 'whatever is the case' accurately enough to be useful, even if
the ideas are bit more complicated than 'all vaccines kill people'
*...'is a dangerous thing'
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 14:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s51irlxcf6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75787 |
On 2025-10-08 14:10, Stefan Ram wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted: >> There was no urban legend in those years, floppies were a recent >> invention. We simply did not know. We invented the urban legends. > > Some people around here are walking around with those > RFID cards today, and they're thinking about wrapping > them in aluminum foil to make it harder to scan them. You can buy wallets that claim to be shielded. For NFC. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 02:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <DIednY4Sz4AixHr1nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75792 |
On 10/8/25 08:14, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-08 14:10, Stefan Ram wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>> There was no urban legend in those years, floppies were a recent >>> invention. We simply did not know. We invented the urban legends. >> >> Some people around here are walking around with those >> RFID cards today, and they're thinking about wrapping >> them in aluminum foil to make it harder to scan them. > > You can buy wallets that claim to be shielded. For NFC. Mag HDDs generally come wrapped in heavily metal coated plastic. I saved those wrappers. One large piece in the outside fold of the wallet, and a secondary pouch for the little space where the cards reside. Maybe not necessary, but can't hurt.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 21:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mtdlrlx3ip.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75823 |
On 2025-10-09 08:44, c186282 wrote: > On 10/8/25 08:14, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-08 14:10, Stefan Ram wrote: >>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>>> There was no urban legend in those years, floppies were a recent >>>> invention. We simply did not know. We invented the urban legends. >>> >>> Some people around here are walking around with those >>> RFID cards today, and they're thinking about wrapping >>> them in aluminum foil to make it harder to scan them. >> >> You can buy wallets that claim to be shielded. For NFC. > > Mag HDDs generally come wrapped in heavily > metal coated plastic. I saved those wrappers. > > One large piece in the outside fold of the > wallet, and a secondary pouch for the little > space where the cards reside. > > Maybe not necessary, but can't hurt. I sometimes put a bit of aluminum foil there, but it doesn't last a month. Your idea seems better. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 21:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <t5qcnTvojIKn_nX1nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75848 |
On 10/9/25 15:10, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-09 08:44, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/8/25 08:14, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-10-08 14:10, Stefan Ram wrote: >>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>>>> There was no urban legend in those years, floppies were a recent >>>>> invention. We simply did not know. We invented the urban legends. >>>> >>>> Some people around here are walking around with those >>>> RFID cards today, and they're thinking about wrapping >>>> them in aluminum foil to make it harder to scan them. >>> >>> You can buy wallets that claim to be shielded. For NFC. >> >> Mag HDDs generally come wrapped in heavily >> metal coated plastic. I saved those wrappers. >> >> One large piece in the outside fold of the >> wallet, and a secondary pouch for the little >> space where the cards reside. >> >> Maybe not necessary, but can't hurt. > > I sometimes put a bit of aluminum foil there, but it doesn't last a > month. Your idea seems better. Actual foil falls apart pretty quick. Western Digital always wrapped its primo drives in heavily-metalized plastic, it can take a crease, unlike the semi-transparent crap used for most devices these days. It also doesn't fall apart in a wallet. You could maybe make a fake version of that ... thin polyester film, some spray glue and foil stuck to both sides.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 09:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10cahkq$3u22g$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75859 |
On 10/10/2025 02:36, c186282 wrote: > On 10/9/25 15:10, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-09 08:44, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/8/25 08:14, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-10-08 14:10, Stefan Ram wrote: >>>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>>>>> There was no urban legend in those years, floppies were a recent >>>>>> invention. We simply did not know. We invented the urban legends. >>>>> >>>>> Some people around here are walking around with those >>>>> RFID cards today, and they're thinking about wrapping >>>>> them in aluminum foil to make it harder to scan them. >>>> >>>> You can buy wallets that claim to be shielded. For NFC. >>> >>> Mag HDDs generally come wrapped in heavily >>> metal coated plastic. I saved those wrappers. >>> >>> One large piece in the outside fold of the >>> wallet, and a secondary pouch for the little >>> space where the cards reside. >>> >>> Maybe not necessary, but can't hurt. >> >> I sometimes put a bit of aluminum foil there, but it doesn't last a >> month. Your idea seems better. > > Actual foil falls apart pretty quick. > > Western Digital always wrapped its primo drives > in heavily-metalized plastic, it can take a > crease, unlike the semi-transparent crap used > for most devices these days. It also doesn't > fall apart in a wallet. > > You could maybe make a fake version of that ... > thin polyester film, some spray glue and foil > stuck to both sides. > > Copper foil with glue backing is available for EMF shielding., Very useful for electric guitars. As is conductive paint Yes, I can see that foil alone is mechanically weak, and probably needs a plastic substrate for strength -- Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people. But Marxism is the crack cocaine.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 01:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <g-ecnY-NGMZObHT1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75882 |
On 10/10/25 04:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 10/10/2025 02:36, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/9/25 15:10, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-10-09 08:44, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 10/8/25 08:14, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2025-10-08 14:10, Stefan Ram wrote: >>>>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>>>>>> There was no urban legend in those years, floppies were a recent >>>>>>> invention. We simply did not know. We invented the urban legends. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some people around here are walking around with those >>>>>> RFID cards today, and they're thinking about wrapping >>>>>> them in aluminum foil to make it harder to scan them. >>>>> >>>>> You can buy wallets that claim to be shielded. For NFC. >>>> >>>> Mag HDDs generally come wrapped in heavily >>>> metal coated plastic. I saved those wrappers. >>>> >>>> One large piece in the outside fold of the >>>> wallet, and a secondary pouch for the little >>>> space where the cards reside. >>>> >>>> Maybe not necessary, but can't hurt. >>> >>> I sometimes put a bit of aluminum foil there, but it doesn't last a >>> month. Your idea seems better. >> >> Actual foil falls apart pretty quick. >> >> Western Digital always wrapped its primo drives >> in heavily-metalized plastic, it can take a >> crease, unlike the semi-transparent crap used >> for most devices these days. It also doesn't >> fall apart in a wallet. >> >> You could maybe make a fake version of that ... >> thin polyester film, some spray glue and foil >> stuck to both sides. >> >> > Copper foil with glue backing is available for EMF shielding., Very > useful for electric guitars. As is conductive paint > > Yes, I can see that foil alone is mechanically weak, and probably needs > a plastic substrate for strength Aluminum IS subject to flex stress - and the household foil has already been rolled and squeezes a LOT. So, fix, as I suggested, try to make your own better RF shielding. Think I'm kind of out of those old WD disk pouches. Will HAVE to try and make my own pretty soon. Figure thin 'mylar' film, spray carpet adhesive and a roller squeegie. You can get 'em all really cheap from Amazon. Copper WILL work. Also check Amazon - it sells some very thin/fine "copper mesh/cloth" that ought to hold up for some time. You can also heat it over a stove burner, annealing, to make it more flexible. Can do the same with aluminum, but it's touchier, might just suddenly melt. Hmmm ... spray the copper mesh with some kind of flexible glue ? Should help hold it together in a wallet. Anyway, you can argue whether RF shielded wallets are 'necessary' ... but if it's EASY then Why Not ?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 13:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <af8nrlximi.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75859 |
On 2025-10-10 03:36, c186282 wrote: > On 10/9/25 15:10, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-09 08:44, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/8/25 08:14, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-10-08 14:10, Stefan Ram wrote: >>>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>>>>> There was no urban legend in those years, floppies were a recent >>>>>> invention. We simply did not know. We invented the urban legends. >>>>> >>>>> Some people around here are walking around with those >>>>> RFID cards today, and they're thinking about wrapping >>>>> them in aluminum foil to make it harder to scan them. >>>> >>>> You can buy wallets that claim to be shielded. For NFC. >>> >>> Mag HDDs generally come wrapped in heavily >>> metal coated plastic. I saved those wrappers. >>> >>> One large piece in the outside fold of the >>> wallet, and a secondary pouch for the little >>> space where the cards reside. >>> >>> Maybe not necessary, but can't hurt. >> >> I sometimes put a bit of aluminum foil there, but it doesn't last a >> month. Your idea seems better. > > Actual foil falls apart pretty quick. > > Western Digital always wrapped its primo drives > in heavily-metalized plastic, it can take a > crease, unlike the semi-transparent crap used > for most devices these days. It also doesn't > fall apart in a wallet. > > You could maybe make a fake version of that ... > thin polyester film, some spray glue and foil > stuck to both sides. Hum! Long ago I made roller reflective curtains with aluminum foil stuck to self-adhesive plastic rolls made to line kitchen drawers. Aironfix, I think was the name. Yes, they still sell it. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 02:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <g-ecnYuNGMbAZHT1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75896 |
On 10/10/25 07:49, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-10 03:36, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/9/25 15:10, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-10-09 08:44, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 10/8/25 08:14, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2025-10-08 14:10, Stefan Ram wrote: >>>>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>>>>>> There was no urban legend in those years, floppies were a recent >>>>>>> invention. We simply did not know. We invented the urban legends. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some people around here are walking around with those >>>>>> RFID cards today, and they're thinking about wrapping >>>>>> them in aluminum foil to make it harder to scan them. >>>>> >>>>> You can buy wallets that claim to be shielded. For NFC. >>>> >>>> Mag HDDs generally come wrapped in heavily >>>> metal coated plastic. I saved those wrappers. >>>> >>>> One large piece in the outside fold of the >>>> wallet, and a secondary pouch for the little >>>> space where the cards reside. >>>> >>>> Maybe not necessary, but can't hurt. >>> >>> I sometimes put a bit of aluminum foil there, but it doesn't last a >>> month. Your idea seems better. >> >> Actual foil falls apart pretty quick. >> >> Western Digital always wrapped its primo drives >> in heavily-metalized plastic, it can take a >> crease, unlike the semi-transparent crap used >> for most devices these days. It also doesn't >> fall apart in a wallet. >> >> You could maybe make a fake version of that ... >> thin polyester film, some spray glue and foil >> stuck to both sides. > > Hum! Long ago I made roller reflective curtains with aluminum foil > stuck to self-adhesive plastic rolls made to line kitchen drawers. > Aironfix, I think was the name. Yes, they still sell it. My brother had a big roll of (thinly) metalized film ... for his weed garden :-) But the stuff WD uses for its HDDs is far better for the purpose. Best guess, very thin mylar film, a can of spray carpet adhesive, a roller squeegie, and some household aluminum foil. Argue about the 'need', but if it's EASY to RF shield then Why Not ?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 14:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <fbvprlxmib.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75927 |
On 2025-10-11 08:29, c186282 wrote: > On 10/10/25 07:49, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-10 03:36, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/9/25 15:10, Carlos E.R. wrote: ... >>> You could maybe make a fake version of that ... >>> thin polyester film, some spray glue and foil >>> stuck to both sides. >> >> Hum! Long ago I made roller reflective curtains with aluminum foil >> stuck to self-adhesive plastic rolls made to line kitchen drawers. >> Aironfix, I think was the name. Yes, they still sell it. > > My brother had a big roll of (thinly) metalized > film ... for his weed garden :-) > > But the stuff WD uses for its HDDs is far better > for the purpose. Oh, my purpose was to reflect the heat of the sun in a room facing south at an university residence — no AC :-D > > Best guess, very thin mylar film, a can of spray > carpet adhesive, a roller squeegie, and some > household aluminum foil. > > Argue about the 'need', but if it's EASY to RF > shield then Why Not ? > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 12:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7p4fek5rmgp3srp4id61g1vkr1348bimk7@joergwalther.my-fqdn.de> |
| In reply to | #75792 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: >You can buy wallets that claim to be shielded. For NFC. Nowadays I only use my phone to pay which does not proceed with the payment until I authorize it with my fingerprint. -jw- -- And now for something completely different...
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 21:11 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <p0elrlx3ip.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75831 |
On 2025-10-09 12:50, Joerg Walther wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> You can buy wallets that claim to be shielded. For NFC. > > Nowadays I only use my phone to pay which does not proceed with the > payment until I authorize it with my fingerprint. Yes, but sometimes it fails. Also, at least in my case, my bank tell us to use google pay, so they track us. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 21:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <t5qcnTrojILy_nX1nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75847 |
On 10/9/25 15:11, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-09 12:50, Joerg Walther wrote: >> Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> You can buy wallets that claim to be shielded. For NFC. >> >> Nowadays I only use my phone to pay which does not proceed with the >> payment until I authorize it with my fingerprint. > > Yes, but sometimes it fails. > > Also, at least in my case, my bank tell us to use google pay, so they > track us. Never trust Google with anything ...
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| From | Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 11:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lsjhektc52c5v68q2pj7cqujeupkhm0l1q@joergwalther.my-fqdn.de> |
| In reply to | #75847 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: >Also, at least in my case, my bank tell us to use google pay, so they >track us. So you can't use other wallet apps, you are forced to use google pay? -jw- -- And now for something completely different...
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 13:51 +0200 |
| Subject | Phone wallet |
| Message-ID | <hi8nrlximi.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75888 |
On 2025-10-10 11:19, Joerg Walther wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Also, at least in my case, my bank tell us to use google pay, so they >> track us. > > So you can't use other wallet apps, you are forced to use google pay? And how does it talk to my bank, if my bank doesn't support them? -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 02:30 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Phone wallet |
| Message-ID | <g-ecnYqNGMYZZHT1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75895 |
On 10/10/25 07:51, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-10 11:19, Joerg Walther wrote: >> Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> Also, at least in my case, my bank tell us to use google pay, so they >>> track us. >> >> So you can't use other wallet apps, you are forced to use google pay? > > And how does it talk to my bank, if my bank doesn't support them? Different bank dude ....
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 14:32 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Phone wallet |
| Message-ID | <bcvprlxmib.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75928 |
On 2025-10-11 08:30, c186282 wrote: > On 10/10/25 07:51, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-10 11:19, Joerg Walther wrote: >>> Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> Also, at least in my case, my bank tell us to use google pay, so they >>>> track us. >>> >>> So you can't use other wallet apps, you are forced to use google pay? >> >> And how does it talk to my bank, if my bank doesn't support them? > > Different bank dude .... Ha ha. Not viable. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 21:35 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Phone wallet |
| Message-ID | <W-WcnRlsBfRamHb1nZ2dnZfqnPhj4p2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75940 |
On 10/11/25 08:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-11 08:30, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/10/25 07:51, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-10-10 11:19, Joerg Walther wrote: >>>> Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> Also, at least in my case, my bank tell us to use google pay, so they >>>>> track us. >>>> >>>> So you can't use other wallet apps, you are forced to use google pay? >>> >>> And how does it talk to my bank, if my bank doesn't support them? >> >> Different bank dude .... > > Ha ha. Not viable. Why not ? People jump banks all the time.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-12 14:48 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Phone wallet |
| Message-ID | <qlksrlxool.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75970 |
On 2025-10-12 03:35, c186282 wrote: > On 10/11/25 08:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-11 08:30, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/10/25 07:51, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-10-10 11:19, Joerg Walther wrote: >>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Also, at least in my case, my bank tell us to use google pay, so they >>>>>> track us. >>>>> >>>>> So you can't use other wallet apps, you are forced to use google pay? >>>> >>>> And how does it talk to my bank, if my bank doesn't support them? >>> >>> Different bank dude .... >> >> Ha ha. Not viable. > > Why not ? People jump banks all the time. No, they don't. Not here. Moving automated payments at source (means contacting all utilities that invoice me, all automated tax payments), moving funds at inappropriate times... And other banks may not have the convenient handling of my money and my funds. There are only 5 banks to choose from, tops. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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