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Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement

Started byAD <isquat@gmail.com>
First post2011-06-28 07:49 -0700
Last post2011-06-30 09:47 +0100
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  Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2011-06-28 07:49 -0700
    Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-06-28 16:00 +0100
      Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2011-07-05 08:38 -0700
        Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-05 20:10 +0100
          Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement Jacob Sparre Andersen <sparre@nbi.dk> - 2011-07-06 12:24 +0200
            Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-06 12:14 +0100
              Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement Jacob Sparre Andersen <sparre@nbi.dk> - 2011-07-06 14:20 +0200
                Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2011-07-06 08:15 -0500
                  Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-06 14:26 +0100
        Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-05 18:33 +0100
        Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2011-07-06 04:31 -0700
          Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement Jacob Sparre Andersen <sparre@nbi.dk> - 2011-07-06 15:58 +0200
          Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2011-07-06 13:07 -0500
            Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2011-07-07 00:35 -0700
              Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 13:41 +0100
                Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-07 23:12 +0200
                  Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-07 22:35 +0100
                    Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-08 13:05 +0200
                      Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2011-07-11 00:18 -0700
                        Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2011-07-11 07:34 -0500
    Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement Todd Carnes <toddcarnes@gmail.com> - 2011-06-28 17:09 +0000
      Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2011-06-28 12:55 -0500
    Re: Usenet salvation through p2p -> news server tree delivery scheme retirement Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> - 2011-06-30 09:47 +0100

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#1503

FromTodd Carnes <toddcarnes@gmail.com>
Date2011-06-28 17:09 +0000
Message-ID<pan.2011.06.28.17.09.16@gmail.com>
In reply to#1497
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 07:49:20 -0700, AD wrote:

> I'm at loss where to post this as the problem seems mostly platform
> independent.
> I had this crazy thought the other day that bittorrent could be used to
> exchange usenet
> traffic between usenet feeds now that we live in the post "!" e-mail
> notation style world.
> 
> You'd have to somehow augment the torrents with the manifests of what
> each server has.
> 
> Well, it won't be a torrent but something else entirely.

Why? Usenet works fine just the way it is.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Todd

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#1505

FromJohn Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com>
Date2011-06-28 12:55 -0500
Message-ID<877h85lu2p.fsf@thumper.dhh.gt.org>
In reply to#1503
Todd Carnes writes:
> Why? Usenet works fine just the way it is.

Because AD is evidently unaware that Usenet is the original p2p system.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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#1524

FromChris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk>
Date2011-06-30 09:47 +0100
Message-ID<tqptd8xq5m.ln2@news.roaima.co.uk>
In reply to#1497
AD <isquat@gmail.com> wrote:
> I had this crazy thought the other day that bittorrent could be used
> to exchange usenet traffic between usenet feeds now that we live in
> the post "!" e-mail notation style world.

I don't think I've used a !-style email address for about 20 years.


> You'd have to somehow augment the torrents with the manifests of what
> each server has.

Text articles are pretty small, so you could conceivably put one
article per torrent file block. Each block in a torrent is offered to
the recipient, and the recipient gets to say whether or not it wants
it.


> Well, it won't be a torrent but something else entirely.

It's called NNTP, and it seems to work pretty well using a loose mesh
approach to connectivity. It's fairly efficient because the protocol
allows for articles to be offered rather than needlessly sent ("I've
got these articles, would you like them?", "Yes, please I'd like this
one ... and that one ... but not those because I already have them,
thank you.", "OK, here they come...", "Thanks!").

Chris

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