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| Started by | Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> |
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| First post | 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300 |
| Last post | 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 314 — 22 participants |
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Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:39 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-07 22:52 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:35 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:53 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:25 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:45 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:41 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:21 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:21 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:15 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:53 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:46 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:38 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:09 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:52 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-11 15:10 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:01 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:08 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:32 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:29 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-12 11:07 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 09:06 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-18 16:24 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-18 21:02 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-19 01:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:39 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 02:10 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:31 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:21 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-19 12:17 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:28 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:19 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 09:20 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:49 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:45 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:16 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:51 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 08:42 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 09:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 10:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:25 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:48 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:29 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:44 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 00:57 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:14 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:05 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 02:00 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:02 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:03 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 21:19 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:50 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 14:52 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 20:29 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:17 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:09 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:23 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:47 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:27 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:05 +0000
Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:46 +0100
Re: Accents. ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-10-28 14:02 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:54 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:21 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:46 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:41 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:07 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:15 +0000
Re: Accents. Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-10-30 17:29 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:31 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 19:31 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:14 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:11 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:10 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:35 +0100
Re: Accents. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 15:18 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:17 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:46 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:25 +0000
LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:38 +0100
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 20:50 -0400
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:41 +0100
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:57 +0000
Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 00:12 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:38 +0100
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 00:19 -0500
Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 07:03 +0000
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 14:20 -0500
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:02 +0000
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:42 +0000
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:31 -0500
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:16 +0000
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:51 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:48 +0100
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:42 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:33 +0100
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:21 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:59 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:41 +0100
Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:56 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-31 19:02 -0700
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 02:52 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:32 +0000
Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:24 +0100
Re: Not Blade Runner Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:57 +0000
Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:22 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:22 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:50 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:20 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:34 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:47 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:05 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
Re: Blade runner c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 15:40 -0500
Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 22:30 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 17:48 -0500
Re: Flashlights Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-11-03 20:26 -0800
Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-04 04:55 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:35 -0500
Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-05 03:44 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 01:05 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:20 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:08 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:33 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:37 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:26 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 11:56 +0100
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:42 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:30 -0500
Re: Flashlights candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-07 16:20 +0000
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 18:11 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-07 18:50 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 22:42 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:08 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:31 +0100
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:06 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:04 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:08 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:41 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:07 +0000
Re: Flashlights John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-11-09 19:05 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:58 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:12 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 05:09 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 01:31 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:39 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 07:51 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:19 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:55 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:28 +0100
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:15 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:27 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:37 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:12 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:22 -0500
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 20:52 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:23 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:23 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:10 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:05 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:21 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:54 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:52 +0000
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:17 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 11:54 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:41 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:16 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 22:22 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:41 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:10 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:24 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 02:44 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 21:53 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:12 +0100
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 23:14 +0100
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:19 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000
Blade runner. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
Re: Blade runner. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000
Re: Blade runner. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:31 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:22 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0100
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:20 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:36 +0100
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:51 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:48 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:15 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:39 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:26 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:05 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:54 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:02 +0000
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Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-28 09:34 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-26 13:53 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-26 15:40 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:03 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:20 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:29 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:15 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:37 +0100
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Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 06:54 +0000
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-03 08:19 -0800
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:18 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:34 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:26 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:36 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:31 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 01:33 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:52 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:48 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:43 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:12 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:02 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 06:39 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-12 02:59 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:20 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-13 16:50 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:38 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:38 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:45 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:17 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 03:28 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:41 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:20 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 11:55 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 21:56 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:35 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:21 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:56 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:01 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:18 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:24 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:31 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 09:00 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:24 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 15:11 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:27 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:24 -0400
Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:08 +0200
Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:15 -0400
Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:46 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 04:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:49 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:43 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-14 21:30 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100
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| From | Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> |
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| Date | 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300 |
| Subject | Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? |
| Message-ID | <sm0y0pmq2qb.fsf@lakka.kapsi.fi> |
Just curious, is there a wide ranged problem in Linux installers these days? I mostly just use and maintain Debian on my computers and it just works. I dabble in Arch and Ubuntu on occasion but not that much. I thought I might want to try and turn my old laptop nee "Mobile Workstation" (HP zBook 15 G3, 2016 vintage) into a game system and hoping for stuff working out of the box with minimal fiddling I decided to try a couple of game oriented distros. First was Bazzite. Fedora based so Anaconda installer. The partitioning stuff is fairly incomprehensible but in automatic mode it deigned to use the unpartitioned space on the SSD and went ahead. And quit with ostree blah blah exited with code 1. Installation aborted. I figured I'll try vanilla Fedora here (Fedora-Kinoite-ostree-x86_64-42-1.1.iso) since it could be converted into Bazzite easily but same result. Goggle wasn't helpful, found only some vague references to Fedora maybe not liking existing things in the EFI partition, blank devices would maybe work... Mine has a bunch of stuff from Debian, Windows, HP's Bios update stuff. Not wiping a working Debian installation for this experiment, thank you. Next then was Drauger, Ubuntu based, Edamame installer. More understandable partitioning but after answering the few (but too many) questions it asks about where and what to install, it just quits. No error message, no nothing. Just nada, zip, zilch. I couldn't believe it but there was no installer running any more in the process list. So, sticking with Debian and if I need something newer, then Arch. But really, three trial installation, three failures, doesn't look good. Is this how it is, in 2025? I guess two of three, Bazzite and Drauger, are niche but Fedora's failure seems odd. Or is it just "we support dual boot with Windows, if you have any other Linux installed, fuck off?"
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-07 14:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10c357d$vi00$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75764 |
On 07/10/2025 14:07, Anssi Saari wrote: > > Just curious, is there a wide ranged problem in Linux installers these > days? I mostly just use and maintain Debian on my computers and it just > works. I dabble in Arch and Ubuntu on occasion but not that much. > > I thought I might want to try and turn my old laptop nee "Mobile > Workstation" (HP zBook 15 G3, 2016 vintage) into a game system and > hoping for stuff working out of the box with minimal fiddling I decided > to try a couple of game oriented distros. > > First was Bazzite. Fedora based so Anaconda installer. The partitioning > stuff is fairly incomprehensible but in automatic mode it deigned to use > the unpartitioned space on the SSD and went ahead. And quit with ostree > blah blah exited with code 1. Installation aborted. > > I figured I'll try vanilla Fedora here > (Fedora-Kinoite-ostree-x86_64-42-1.1.iso) since it could be converted > into Bazzite easily but same result. Goggle wasn't helpful, found only > some vague references to Fedora maybe not liking existing things in the > EFI partition, blank devices would maybe work... Mine has a bunch of > stuff from Debian, Windows, HP's Bios update stuff. Not wiping a working > Debian installation for this experiment, thank you. > > Next then was Drauger, Ubuntu based, Edamame installer. More > understandable partitioning but after answering the few (but too many) > questions it asks about where and what to install, it just quits. No > error message, no nothing. Just nada, zip, zilch. I couldn't believe it > but there was no installer running any more in the process list. > > So, sticking with Debian and if I need something newer, then Arch. But > really, three trial installation, three failures, doesn't look good. Is > this how it is, in 2025? I guess two of three, Bazzite and Drauger, are > niche but Fedora's failure seems odd. Or is it just "we support dual > boot with Windows, if you have any other Linux installed, fuck off?" > Well I install nothing but Mint these days on *86 and provided I just go the default route it GenerallyJustWorks™. At one time I had to fuck around with BIOS settings [legacy/UEFI/Secure boot shit] but there was only a combination of about 9 of those and I found one that worked on the 3rd try. Last time I abandoned an install was the day I tried ubuntu, failed and first installed Mint. Somewhere around 2008? There have been issues with video cards and wifi chipsets, but the basic installs have never failed. Upgrades are a different matter. It may be worth installing a new disk and trying again. -- “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.” ― Groucho Marx
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-07 22:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10c45j7$18l75$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75764 |
On Tue, 07 Oct 2025 16:07:56 +0300, Anssi Saari wrote: > And quit with ostree blah blah exited with code 1. Installation > aborted. I would have tried getting more detail on the precise error message(s). There should be ways to get more verbosity out of the installation procedure -- check the documentation.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 01:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <af-dncJqL6ncZXj1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75764 |
On 10/7/25 09:07, Anssi Saari wrote: > > Just curious, is there a wide ranged problem in Linux installers these > days? I mostly just use and maintain Debian on my computers and it just > works. I dabble in Arch and Ubuntu on occasion but not that much. > > I thought I might want to try and turn my old laptop nee "Mobile > Workstation" (HP zBook 15 G3, 2016 vintage) into a game system and > hoping for stuff working out of the box with minimal fiddling I decided > to try a couple of game oriented distros. The quality of installers varies a bit. The depth/quality of hardware detection is the main gotcha so far as I can tell. Mostly I stick to MX these days. Ubuntu got too weird years ago - never again. The MX installer was the first I found to properly detect a M.2 "hdd" in laptops. They all do, NOW ... But, I've had fair luck with Manjaro and Fedora installers too ... though they sometimes make it a bit difficult to see how to proceed. Fedora is almost fanatical when it comes to creating the default disk layout/format. Frankly I do not care for BTRFS .... My newest xHDD ... did that in XFS. It's fast and reliable (can't shrink the parts though). Mostly though EXT4 or 3 is best - fully mature and lots of tools/methods for finding and fixing errors. OpenSUSE is still a 'Cadillac' distro (if rather 'fat'). It is very good at installs and all possible setups. Maybe the best if creating servers ... unless you need BSDs like for outward-facing high-vol servers. Setting up soft-RAID is super easy, and comes with USEFUL info during the process. Love it, except for the 'fatness' (and that it dropped several very useful legacy utilities and the smarter version of ffmpeg).
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 10:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7dlhrlxmm6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75773 |
On 2025-10-08 07:35, c186282 wrote: > On 10/7/25 09:07, Anssi Saari wrote: >> >> Just curious, is there a wide ranged problem in Linux installers these >> days? I mostly just use and maintain Debian on my computers and it just >> works. I dabble in Arch and Ubuntu on occasion but not that much. >> >> I thought I might want to try and turn my old laptop nee "Mobile >> Workstation" (HP zBook 15 G3, 2016 vintage) into a game system and >> hoping for stuff working out of the box with minimal fiddling I decided >> to try a couple of game oriented distros. > > The quality of installers varies a bit. The depth/quality > of hardware detection is the main gotcha so far as I can > tell. > > Mostly I stick to MX these days. Ubuntu got too > weird years ago - never again. The MX installer was > the first I found to properly detect a M.2 "hdd" > in laptops. They all do, NOW ... > > But, I've had fair luck with Manjaro and Fedora > installers too ... though they sometimes make > it a bit difficult to see how to proceed. Fedora > is almost fanatical when it comes to creating > the default disk layout/format. Frankly I do > not care for BTRFS .... > > My newest xHDD ... did that in XFS. It's fast > and reliable (can't shrink the parts though). > Mostly though EXT4 or 3 is best - fully > mature and lots of tools/methods for finding > and fixing errors. > > OpenSUSE is still a 'Cadillac' distro (if > rather 'fat'). It is very good at installs > and all possible setups. Maybe the best if > creating servers ... unless you need BSDs > like for outward-facing high-vol servers. > Setting up soft-RAID is super easy, and > comes with USEFUL info during the process. > Love it, except for the 'fatness' (and > that it dropped several very useful legacy > utilities and the smarter version of ffmpeg). The YaST installer is very good, up to Leap 15.6. Very good partitioner section. But Leap 16.0 has ditched YaST and switched to Agama, web browser based, I understand. Also I understand that is an unfinished product, so it is getting a fair amount of criticism. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 21:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10c6jov$1sia8$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75786 |
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 10:53:27 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > The YaST installer is very good, up to Leap 15.6. Very good partitioner > section. Most installers give you some way of switching to a text terminal window with a standard shell prompt. Because after all the installation volume is running on a full-function Linux kernel, after all. This lets you do custom pre-setup (like special partitioning) even if the installer itself doesn’t have that level of functionality.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 21:25 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <opelrlxhgr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75812 |
On 2025-10-08 23:06, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 10:53:27 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> The YaST installer is very good, up to Leap 15.6. Very good partitioner >> section. > > Most installers give you some way of switching to a text terminal window > with a standard shell prompt. Because after all the installation volume is > running on a full-function Linux kernel, after all. This lets you do > custom pre-setup (like special partitioning) even if the installer itself > doesn’t have that level of functionality. Yes, YaST can run in text mode. If you call "yast" it is text, if "YAST" or other combos, graphical. And when booted the install graphical system, you can start xterm windows. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 21:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10c9ad2$3caf5$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75849 |
On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 21:25:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-08 23:06, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> Most installers give you some way of switching to a text terminal >> window with a standard shell prompt. Because after all the >> installation volume is running on a full-function Linux kernel, >> after all. This lets you do custom pre-setup (like special >> partitioning) even if the installer itself doesn’t have that level >> of functionality. > > Yes, YaST can run in text mode. Not usually necessary. The GUI installer would be running in a standard GUI session off the installation media, but given you are running a fully-functional regular Linux kernel, the usual CTRL-ALT-Fn keystrokes will work for switching to a text console.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 21:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <UrWcnV737p3H-XX1nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75852 |
On 10/9/25 17:45, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 21:25:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-10-08 23:06, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> Most installers give you some way of switching to a text terminal >>> window with a standard shell prompt. Because after all the >>> installation volume is running on a full-function Linux kernel, >>> after all. This lets you do custom pre-setup (like special >>> partitioning) even if the installer itself doesn’t have that level >>> of functionality. >> >> Yes, YaST can run in text mode. > > Not usually necessary. The GUI installer would be running in a > standard GUI session off the installation media, but given you are > running a fully-functional regular Linux kernel, the usual CTRL-ALT-Fn > keystrokes will work for switching to a text console. Not usually "necessary" - but it was good when you needed it, like for servers with no GUI. (I can just see the newbies falling back out of their chairs - "NO GUI ???!!!" :-) The text version and GUI version were amazingly alike too. Anyway, YAST was the deal-maker for OpenSUSE. Now I'll have no reason to install a fat RPM distro at all anywhere.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 09:21 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <koomrlxf6c.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75861 |
On 2025-10-10 03:41, c186282 wrote: > On 10/9/25 17:45, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 21:25:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> On 2025-10-08 23:06, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> Most installers give you some way of switching to a text terminal >>>> window with a standard shell prompt. Because after all the >>>> installation volume is running on a full-function Linux kernel, >>>> after all. This lets you do custom pre-setup (like special >>>> partitioning) even if the installer itself doesn’t have that level >>>> of functionality. >>> >>> Yes, YaST can run in text mode. >> >> Not usually necessary. The GUI installer would be running in a >> standard GUI session off the installation media, but given you are >> running a fully-functional regular Linux kernel, the usual CTRL-ALT-Fn >> keystrokes will work for switching to a text console. > > Not usually "necessary" - but it was good when > you needed it, like for servers with no GUI. > (I can just see the newbies falling back out > of their chairs - "NO GUI ???!!!" :-) When using ssh to another system it is useful to run yast inside as text. You can also run it graphically by using "ssh -X root@system.whatever". At least in a lan it runs fine, dunno over internet. > > The text version and GUI version were amazingly > alike too. > > Anyway, YAST was the deal-maker for OpenSUSE. Now > I'll have no reason to install a fat RPM distro > at all anywhere. That's what I told them, and I got almost insulted. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 13:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10cb18o$2dbr$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75871 |
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 09:21:24 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > When using ssh to another system it is useful to run yast inside as > text. Yeah, but that assumes you already have the system installed and it has an SSH server running.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 21:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vi2orlx0dl.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75904 |
On 2025-10-10 15:21, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 09:21:24 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> When using ssh to another system it is useful to run yast inside as >> text. > > Yeah, but that assumes you already have the system installed and it has an > SSH server running. Ok, fair enough. I haven't done remote installations, but there are people doing them, and they say that one of the things they use is installation over ssh. I can not explain how. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-10 21:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10cbv84$bjr3$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75907 |
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 21:15:11 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I haven't done remote installations, but there are people doing them, > and they say that one of the things they use is installation over ssh. I > can not explain how. I can’t think how, either. Various VM-hosting facilities do offer ways for you to get to the console remotely, typically via a Web interface, and you can do installs and other low-level operations that way. Tends to be pretty clunky, but at least it’s available as a last resort.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 02:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Q7mdnRmN_8quYHT1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75915 |
On 10/10/25 17:53, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 21:15:11 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I haven't done remote installations, but there are people doing them, >> and they say that one of the things they use is installation over ssh. I >> can not explain how. > > I can’t think how, either. Various VM-hosting facilities do offer ways for > you to get to the console remotely, typically via a Web interface, and you > can do installs and other low-level operations that way. Tends to be > pretty clunky, but at least it’s available as a last resort. SOME may want/need to do this, but I never have and likely few even here ever have.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 02:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Q7mdnR6N_8r1ZnT1nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75904 |
On 10/10/25 09:21, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 09:21:24 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> When using ssh to another system it is useful to run yast inside as >> text. > > Yeah, but that assumes you already have the system installed and it has an > SSH server running. Well, it SOON will .....
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 02:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <DIednY0Sz4AKzHr1nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75786 |
On 10/8/25 04:53, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-08 07:35, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/7/25 09:07, Anssi Saari wrote: >>> >>> Just curious, is there a wide ranged problem in Linux installers these >>> days? I mostly just use and maintain Debian on my computers and it just >>> works. I dabble in Arch and Ubuntu on occasion but not that much. >>> >>> I thought I might want to try and turn my old laptop nee "Mobile >>> Workstation" (HP zBook 15 G3, 2016 vintage) into a game system and >>> hoping for stuff working out of the box with minimal fiddling I decided >>> to try a couple of game oriented distros. >> >> The quality of installers varies a bit. The depth/quality >> of hardware detection is the main gotcha so far as I can >> tell. >> >> Mostly I stick to MX these days. Ubuntu got too >> weird years ago - never again. The MX installer was >> the first I found to properly detect a M.2 "hdd" >> in laptops. They all do, NOW ... >> >> But, I've had fair luck with Manjaro and Fedora >> installers too ... though they sometimes make >> it a bit difficult to see how to proceed. Fedora >> is almost fanatical when it comes to creating >> the default disk layout/format. Frankly I do >> not care for BTRFS .... >> >> My newest xHDD ... did that in XFS. It's fast >> and reliable (can't shrink the parts though). >> Mostly though EXT4 or 3 is best - fully >> mature and lots of tools/methods for finding >> and fixing errors. >> >> OpenSUSE is still a 'Cadillac' distro (if >> rather 'fat'). It is very good at installs >> and all possible setups. Maybe the best if >> creating servers ... unless you need BSDs >> like for outward-facing high-vol servers. >> Setting up soft-RAID is super easy, and >> comes with USEFUL info during the process. >> Love it, except for the 'fatness' (and >> that it dropped several very useful legacy >> utilities and the smarter version of ffmpeg). > > The YaST installer is very good, up to Leap 15.6. Very good partitioner > section. But Leap 16.0 has ditched YaST and switched to Agama, web > browser based, I understand. Also I understand that is an unfinished > product, so it is getting a fair amount of criticism. Oh shit ! VERY bad move !!! So much for OpenSUSE ..... My guess ... they had ONE guy who did maint on YAST - and he retired.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 18:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10c908i$3600i$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75820 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 10/8/25 04:53, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> The YaST installer is very good, up to Leap 15.6. Very good >> partitioner section. But Leap 16.0 has ditched YaST and switched to >> Agama, web browser based, I understand. Also I understand that is >> an unfinished product, so it is getting a fair amount of criticism. > > > Oh shit ! VERY bad move !!! > > So much for OpenSUSE ..... > > My guess ... they had ONE guy who did maint on YAST - and he > retired. And, likely, the new replacement guy is one of the younger crowd who has only ever known "web programming" and so "rewrite the installer as a web app" is the outcome. And example of the saying: "If the only tool you have is a hammer, then all your problems begin to look like nails".
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-09 21:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <t5qcnTjojILG_3X1nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75846 |
On 10/9/25 14:52, Rich wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> On 10/8/25 04:53, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> The YaST installer is very good, up to Leap 15.6. Very good >>> partitioner section. But Leap 16.0 has ditched YaST and switched to >>> Agama, web browser based, I understand. Also I understand that is >>> an unfinished product, so it is getting a fair amount of criticism. >> >> >> Oh shit ! VERY bad move !!! >> >> So much for OpenSUSE ..... >> >> My guess ... they had ONE guy who did maint on YAST - and he >> retired. > > And, likely, the new replacement guy is one of the younger crowd who > has only ever known "web programming" and so "rewrite the installer as > a web app" is the outcome. > > And example of the saying: "If the only tool you have is a hammer, then > all your problems begin to look like nails". > Yea, great, half a zillion lines of HTML, PHP and fuckin' JAVASCRIPT ........ YAST was the deal-maker for OpenSUSE - the ease and IQ it bought to config/reconfig was what made it more than just another fat RPM distro.
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 15:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <68ea7364$0$12948$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #75858 |
Le 10-10-2025, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> a écrit : > > Yea, great, half a zillion lines of HTML, PHP and > fuckin' JAVASCRIPT ........ You remind me of a good example of a difficult thing to translate. In French, I'm calling javascript: cacascript. Because in French caca means shit. So any French speaker reading/hearing cacascript can understand it's shit designing javascript. I have no idea how it could be translated in English because shitscript could be understood as any scripting language. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <HLwGQ.254734$7Ika.65933@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #75946 |
On 2025-10-11, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote: > Le 10-10-2025, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> a écrit : > >> Yea, great, half a zillion lines of HTML, PHP and >> fuckin' JAVASCRIPT ........ > > You remind me of a good example of a difficult thing to translate. In > French, I'm calling javascript: cacascript. Because in French caca means > shit. So any French speaker reading/hearing cacascript can understand > it's shit designing javascript. I have no idea how it could be > translated in English because shitscript could be understood as any > scripting language. We sometimes use "caca" to mean "shit" in English too. It's usually in the context of babies, toilet training, etc. - but it makes a nice enough fit that I just might start saying "cacascript" myself. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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