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  File system for external hard drive? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-14 20:18 +0100
    Re: File system for external hard drive? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-05-14 14:43 -0500
      Re: File system for external hard drive? philo <philo@invalid.not> - 2011-05-14 19:20 -0500
        Re: File system for external hard drive? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2011-05-14 22:29 -0400
          Re: File system for external hard drive? Mike S <mscir@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-14 20:46 -0700
            Re: File system for external hard drive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2011-05-15 10:44 +0000
              Re: File system for external hard drive? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-05-15 14:45 +0100
    Re: File system for external hard drive? "JP Loken" <jp_lokennospam@hotmailnospam.com> - 2011-05-15 23:54 +0200

#1084 — File system for external hard drive?

Recently I've faced the need to store in an external HD files which are 
over 4GB.  As I've been using vfat for the external HD's file system, this 
turned into a problem.  I could simply reformat the external HD with ext2 
or ext3 but as I need to access files in windows that also tends to be a 
problem.

So, under this scenario, what file system is appropriate to use on an 
external HD?


Thanks in advance,
Rui Maciel

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#1085

At Sat, 14 May 2011 20:18:30 +0100 Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Recently I've faced the need to store in an external HD files which are 
> over 4GB.  As I've been using vfat for the external HD's file system, this 
> turned into a problem.  I could simply reformat the external HD with ext2 
> or ext3 but as I need to access files in windows that also tends to be a 
> problem.
> 
> So, under this scenario, what file system is appropriate to use on an 
> external HD?

In theory NTFS I guess, but Linux support for NTFS is iffy -- not all
distros have it as part of the stock kernel and there are version
issues, since just what constitutes 'NTFS' keeps changing (at M$ whim)
and there is no definitive documentation on what NTFS is (M$ keeps this
info 'secret').

Another posiblity might be UDF, but I am not sure how well supported UDF
is under MS-Windows.

There are driver packages for ext2 and ext3 for MS-Windows, but it
requires something 'extra' to be installed on the MS-Windows system. The
packages should be free (since the code is open source), but there are
situations where installing extra software on MS-Windows might not be
possible (eg not your machine / company policy / etc.).

> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Rui Maciel
>                                     

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#1086

On 05/14/2011 02:43 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Sat, 14 May 2011 20:18:30 +0100 Rui Maciel<rui.maciel@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>
>> Recently I've faced the need to store in an external HD files which are
>> over 4GB.  As I've been using vfat for the external HD's file system, this
>> turned into a problem.  I could simply reformat the external HD with ext2
>> or ext3 but as I need to access files in windows that also tends to be a
>> problem.
>>
>> So, under this scenario, what file system is appropriate to use on an
>> external HD?
>
> In theory NTFS I guess, but Linux support for NTFS is iffy -- not all
> distros have it as part of the stock kernel and there are version
> issues, since just what constitutes 'NTFS' keeps changing (at M$ whim)
> and there is no definitive documentation on what NTFS is (M$ keeps this
> info 'secret').
>


<snip>

NTFS  read/write support is now fully supported in Linux


If one does not have it
it can be added


ntfs-3g   http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/

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#1087

On Sat, 14 May 2011 20:20:18 -0400, philo <philo@invalid.not> wrote:

> NTFS  read/write support is now fully supported in Linux

Make sure you don't used folder compression or encryption,
as those two features are not supported.  Otherwise, I've
had no problems writing to ntfs filesystems.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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#1088

On 5/14/2011 7:29 PM, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2011 20:20:18 -0400, philo <philo@invalid.not> wrote:
>
>> NTFS read/write support is now fully supported in Linux
>
> Make sure you don't used folder compression or encryption,
> as those two features are not supported. Otherwise, I've
> had no problems writing to ntfs filesystems.
> Regards, Dave Hodgins

I have three computers that dual boot XP/Ubuntu and I have never had any 
problem with NTFS copying/pasting/deleting from Ubuntu.

Mike

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#1089

In article <iqniah$h5v$1@dont-email.me>, Mike S  <mscir@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 5/14/2011 7:29 PM, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2011 20:20:18 -0400, philo <philo@invalid.not> wrote:
>>
>>> NTFS read/write support is now fully supported in Linux
>>
>> Make sure you don't used folder compression or encryption,
>> as those two features are not supported. Otherwise, I've
>> had no problems writing to ntfs filesystems.
>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
>I have three computers that dual boot XP/Ubuntu and I have never had any 
>problem with NTFS copying/pasting/deleting from Ubuntu.
>
>Mike

Keep in mind that "I've never had any problems" is not sufficient data for
this one.  Because I've used the "old" Linux NTFS read/write package (the
one that everybody says is unsafe for writing), to write to NTFS, and I've
never had a problem.  I do *not* conclude from this that everybody was wrong
when they say it is unsafe...

Also, what the first responder said about versions (the fact that MS could
change/mangle/screwup NTFS at any time - it is their product after all) and
also what another poster said about certain rarely used features of NTFS not
being supported in the NTFS-3g product - also relevant and things that
stand in the way of a blanket statement that NTFS is fully supported by
both OSs.

But, having said all that, yes, I agree that NTFS is the way to go.  I
predict far fewer headaches going that route than the converse (trying to
get Windows to support a Linux FS).

-- 
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy  of the church so decides." 

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#1090

Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <iqniah$h5v$1@dont-email.me>, Mike S  <mscir@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 5/14/2011 7:29 PM, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2011 20:20:18 -0400, philo <philo@invalid.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>> NTFS read/write support is now fully supported in Linux
>>> Make sure you don't used folder compression or encryption,
>>> as those two features are not supported. Otherwise, I've
>>> had no problems writing to ntfs filesystems.
>>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>> I have three computers that dual boot XP/Ubuntu and I have never had any 
>> problem with NTFS copying/pasting/deleting from Ubuntu.
>>
>> Mike
> 
> Keep in mind that "I've never had any problems" is not sufficient data for
> this one.  Because I've used the "old" Linux NTFS read/write package (the
> one that everybody says is unsafe for writing), to write to NTFS, and I've
> never had a problem.  I do *not* conclude from this that everybody was wrong
> when they say it is unsafe...
> 
> Also, what the first responder said about versions (the fact that MS could
> change/mangle/screwup NTFS at any time - it is their product after all) and
> also what another poster said about certain rarely used features of NTFS not
> being supported in the NTFS-3g product - also relevant and things that
> stand in the way of a blanket statement that NTFS is fully supported by
> both OSs.
> 
> But, having said all that, yes, I agree that NTFS is the way to go.  I
> predict far fewer headaches going that route than the converse (trying to
> get Windows to support a Linux FS).
> 
Mount the plugin on a cheap server and export using SAMBA for windows 
clients and NFS for linux.


Ok if its for a portable that is going off site, its a problem. So make 
the portable Linux!

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#1091

På Sat, 14 May 2011 21:18:30 +0200, skrev Rui Maciel  
<rui.maciel@gmail.com>:

> Recently I've faced the need to store in an external HD files which are
> over 4GB.  As I've been using vfat for the external HD's file system,  
> this
> turned into a problem.  I could simply reformat the external HD with ext2
> or ext3 but as I need to access files in windows that also tends to be a
> problem.

I have so far never met any problem with my NTFS External HD.

However, there is a free file system driver for Windows that enables you  
to work with Ext2 and Ext3 here:
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/extbrowser/
Quote\
Key Features:
- Easy to install
- Fast and transparent access to Ext2FS/Ext3FS under Windows®,
- Special unmapped folder in My Computer (Explorer) to open ExtFS  
partitions, where you can read, write, modify, create, delete files and  
folders under Windows.
- Better stability with less risk to your system because there is no need  
to install a separate kernel mode driver.
\Unquote
I haven't tried it myself yet. But another file system driver from that  
company, "NTFS for Win98", has been stable and is performing as promised.
<snip>

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