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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-06-18 04:28 -0400 |
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Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 07:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:12 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 09:03 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:25 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:45 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:21 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 04:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-14 14:27 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:51 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 03:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:46 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:16 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-15 17:02 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 19:05 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 20:41 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 22:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 02:00 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 02:55 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:54 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:00 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:07 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:51 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:34 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:14 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 20:22 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 16:47 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:11 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:29 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:19 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:09 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:23 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:26 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 10:32 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:44 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 13:55 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 17:02 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:37 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 19:14 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 20:50 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:36 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 11:58 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:18 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:45 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 00:22 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:34 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 00:01 +0000
Communism ???? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-18 21:46 -0700
Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 05:59 +0000
Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:51 -0400
Re: Communism ???? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 11:51 +0200
Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 23:50 -0400
Re: Communism ???? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-20 08:54 +0200
Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 03:25 -0400
Re: Communism ???? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:25 +0100
Re: Communism ???? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 16:41 +0000
Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 18:22 +0000
Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:48 -0400
Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:08 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 12:56 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 16:41 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:43 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 02:04 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:41 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:21 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:39 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:50 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:00 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:46 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:13 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:33 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:18 +0100
The Walmart Effect (Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT !) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-19 06:12 -0700
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:44 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:26 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:26 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 21:47 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:13 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 01:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:42 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:49 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:51 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:12 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:10 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-20 01:44 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:42 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:32 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:38 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:27 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:22 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-06-12 09:53 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:34 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:37 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:42 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 04:18 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 20:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 23:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 03:57 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:11 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-14 07:01 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 04:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-14 10:56 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:40 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-12 13:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-06-17 15:43 +0800
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:28 -0400
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 10:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1110diu$2g9jb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88053 |
On 18/06/2026 09:50, c186282 wrote: >> >> In today's paper is a picture of a poster at a bus stop that says: >> >>     Isn't it brilliant that one man gets to be a >>     trillionaire instead of everyone having food? >> False logic. Typical of the Left. 'money' is not 'wealth' >> Being in the business section, the photo accompanies an article >> talking about what a hero Elon Musk is. > > >  Well, Elon IS good ... don't get all jealous 🙂 False Logic. Typical of the Right. Success is not ipso facto 'good' -- "It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's" Joew Walsh
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <LLWYR.161410$Hs3.141261@fx35.iad> |
| In reply to | #88055 |
On 2026-06-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 18/06/2026 09:50, c186282 wrote: > >>  Well, Elon IS good ... don't get all jealous 🙂 > > False Logic. Typical of the Right. Success is not ipso facto 'good' It depends on your definition of success. I've spent my life avoiding what many people call "success". I'm doing all right by my definition, though. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 13:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1113b0k$39rgp$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88061 |
On 18/06/2026 19:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 18/06/2026 09:50, c186282 wrote: >> >>>  Well, Elon IS good ... don't get all jealous 🙂 >> >> False Logic. Typical of the Right. Success is not ipso facto 'good' > > It depends on your definition of success. I've spent my life > avoiding what many people call "success". I'm doing all right > by my definition, though. > No argument there. I made enough money to stop having to work for people I didn't like A late friend felt she had failed because the never ran a FTSE 100 company. Is Elon a happy man? -- No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 17:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9ldjdFmbfkU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88092 |
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 13:00:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/06/2026 19:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-06-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 18/06/2026 09:50, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>>  Well, Elon IS good ... don't get all jealous 🙂 >>> >>> False Logic. Typical of the Right. Success is not ipso facto 'good' >> >> It depends on your definition of success. I've spent my life avoiding >> what many people call "success". I'm doing all right by my definition, >> though. >> > No argument there. > > I made enough money to stop having to work for people I didn't like > > A late friend felt she had failed because the never ran a FTSE 100 > company. > > Is Elon a happy man? I think he is. From many reports the money is a side effect of him doing what he wants to do.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-20 01:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <-JidneqLepjzvKv3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88092 |
On 6/19/26 08:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/06/2026 19:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-06-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 18/06/2026 09:50, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>>   Well, Elon IS good ... don't get all jealous 🙂 >>> >>> False Logic. Typical of the Right. Success is not ipso facto 'good' >> >> It depends on your definition of success. I've spent my life >> avoiding what many people call "success". I'm doing all right >> by my definition, though. >> > No argument there. > > I made enough money to stop having to work for people I didn't like > > A late friend felt she had failed because the never ran a FTSE 100 company. > > Is Elon a happy man? Uh ... Elon is decidedly somewhere 'spectrum' and close to IQ 200. For him "happy" has a very different form and meaning than for most of us. So yea, I figure he's THRILLED most of the time. He sure seems like it. ALWAYS something new and neat-o. If he lived 10,000 years he'd STILL be 'thrilled'.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 19:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9ivh2FaeprU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88055 |
On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 10:25:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> Being in the business section, the photo accompanies an article >>> talking about what a hero Elon Musk is. >> >> >>  Well, Elon IS good ... don't get all jealous 🙂 > > False Logic. Typical of the Right. Success is not ipso facto 'good' Agreed. Making your money by shorting the Bank of England like Soros or running casinos and whorehouse like Adelson isn't good. Speculators and market manipulators are scum. Developing real products like Musk, even if playing the system, is good. I'll even gove props to Bezos. I remember when Amazon was books and CDs and often promised more than they could deliver. I preferred Barnes & Noble back then since they had what they sold in stock. Many dotcom ventures failed; Amazon didn't. I'm not a fan but the Walton family also built something.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 13:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1113c38$39rgp$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88068 |
On 18/06/2026 20:33, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 10:25:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>>> Being in the business section, the photo accompanies an article >>>> talking about what a hero Elon Musk is. >>> >>> >>>  Well, Elon IS good ... don't get all jealous 🙂 >> >> False Logic. Typical of the Right. Success is not ipso facto 'good' > > Agreed. Making your money by shorting the Bank of England like Soros or > running casinos and whorehouse like Adelson isn't good. Speculators and > market manipulators are scum. > The principle of shorting falling markets has validity. As is providing what people will pay for. That is not the issue. The issue is one of whether or not itts 'good' and what that term actually means. Given the death of God in the post modern society, and ultimately with it a moral sense of rightness, what remains is only survival and what promotes it, and/or the individual feeling of ones own success. > Developing real products like Musk, even if playing the system, is good. > I'll even gove props to Bezos. I remember when Amazon was books and CDs > and often promised more than they could deliver. I preferred Barnes & > Noble back then since they had what they sold in stock. Many dotcom > ventures failed; Amazon didn't. I'm not a fan but the Walton family also > built something. > So what? Was it good? Was it bad? It merely survived and prospered. -- For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the very definition of slavery. Jonathan Swift
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 06:12 -0700 |
| Subject | The Walmart Effect (Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT !) |
| Message-ID | <1113f7v$3b64v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88094 |
On 2026-06-19 05:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > The principle of shorting falling markets has validity. As is providing > what people will pay for. > > That is not the issue. The issue is one of whether or not itts 'good' > and what that term actually means. > Given the death of God in the post modern society, and ultimately with > it a moral sense of rightness, what remains is only survival and what > promotes it, and/or the individual feeling of ones own success. > On 18/06/2026 20:33, rbowman wrote: >> Developing real products like Musk, even if playing the system, is good. >> I'll even give props to Bezos. I remember when Amazon was books and CDs >> and often promised more than they could deliver. I preferred Barnes & >> Noble back then since they had what they sold in stock. Many dotcom >> ventures failed; Amazon didn't. I'm not a fan but the Walton family also >> built something. >> > So what? Was it good? Was it bad? > It merely survived and prospered. I cannot fault Walmart's founders and management, By most accounts it is an impressively well managed company. The mission statement is written on every one of its stores, and it guides everything the company does: "Always low prices". What I will fault is a government that allowed it to grow excessively, to where it was over 25% of all retail sales (and consequently 25% of the domestic freight hauling market). And that has let Amazon do the same. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-20 01:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <XO6cnXz9YdAqtav3nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88094 |
On 6/19/26 08:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/06/2026 20:33, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 10:25:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>>>> Being in the business section, the photo accompanies an article >>>>> talking about what a hero Elon Musk is. >>>> >>>> >>>>   Well, Elon IS good ... don't get all jealous 🙂 >>> >>> False Logic. Typical of the Right. Success is not ipso facto 'good' HAPPENED to be very profitable. The "good" bit ... he'd have been well into that whether it paid well or not. He's just a kinda-spectrum near-genius. If it's Cool and Neat-O then .....
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 02:26 -0400 |
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| In reply to | #88055 |
On 6/18/26 05:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/06/2026 09:50, c186282 wrote: >>> >>> In today's paper is a picture of a poster at a bus stop that says: >>> >>>     Isn't it brilliant that one man gets to be a >>>     trillionaire instead of everyone having food? >>> > False logic. Typical of the Left. 'money' is not 'wealth' > > > >>> Being in the business section, the photo accompanies an article >>> talking about what a hero Elon Musk is. >> >> >>   Well, Elon IS good ... don't get all jealous 🙂 > > False Logic. Typical of the Right. Success is not ipso facto 'good' In HIS case ... I'd say "YES". You don't have to agree - but it's true regardless.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 13:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1113ci6$39rgp$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88082 |
On 19/06/2026 07:26, c186282 wrote: >  You don't have to agree - but it's true regardless. > The confidence and assurance of the totally ignorant. -- There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons that sound good. Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 21:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6UydnRG_f_VKYaz3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88002 |
On 6/16/26 06:34, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >> >> Because automation is cheaper? >> > > Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. The > only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour. It is coming. However robots that can quickly, delicately, pick strawberries and similar just barely exist. They would also be a HUGE up-front investment at this point - and could be seriously obsolete long before the loans are paid off. 'AI' alone won't do it - it's also the rest of the bot. I've seen vids of some contenders ... but they're bulky and SLOW compared to near-slave humans. Also have a prob reliably detecting the perfectly ripe ones, or rotten ones. So, quick eval, NOT WORTH THE INVESTMENT at this time. Just put up with the humans. T Ten years of improvements, then maybe. Strawberries, cherries, olives, even lettuce, these are sort of "luxury" foods. So, you pay the luxury price until it finally becomes too high. High-density grain-based stuff, meats, those are what will keep people alive and kicking. Work on better automation for wheat/corn/barley/oat fields first. There are huge kinda all-purpose harvesting machines for such fields already, but they're very complicated and could surely be given more smarts and mechanical refinement. "Cheap" "smart" AND "functional" is the goal. Now, WHAT to do with all the obsoleted humans ? Nobody EVER wants to answer that question. I see vast fields of grey Soviet-style housing blocks, long ration lines, and then the rations get smaller and smaller. THAT makes the 'economic logic' whether you're a 'capitalist' OR 'socialist' or anything else. The ultimate conclusion will be that we don't NEED 8 billion people, so .....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-17 03:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9ehmvFk6lqU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88014 |
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 21:47:19 -0400, c186282 wrote: > It is coming. However robots that can quickly, delicately, pick > strawberries and similar just barely exist. They would also be a HUGE > up-front investment at this point - and could be seriously obsolete > long before the loans are paid off. Strawberries are a challenge. https://orchard-rite.com/tree-shakers Yuo can find youtube videos of them in action. like Roma tomatoes cultivars that can be shaken out of the tree without damage are a parallel development. > High-density grain-based stuff, meats, those are what will keep > people alive and kicking. Work on better automation for > wheat/corn/barley/oat fields first. > There are huge kinda all-purpose harvesting machines for such fields > already, but they're very complicated and could surely be given more > smarts and mechanical refinement. "Cheap" "smart" AND "functional" is > the goal. Getting there. https://www.kubota.com/innovation/our-stories/autonomous-combine- harvester.html Sounds good to me. I never operated a combine but I've put in a few miles dragging a harrow around. Stare at mountain 5 miles away. Get to the end of the field, turn around, stare at another mountain 7 miles away. Rinse and repeat all day. I turned too sharp on one pass and pinched the tire. The wouldn't have been bad but it was filled with a calcium chloride solution for weight. Every rotation on the way back to the barn I got another chloride shower. Great fun.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <110tr4v$1os2e$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88014 |
On 17/06/2026 02:47, c186282 wrote: > Now, WHAT to do with all the obsoleted humans ? Nobody > Â EVER wants to answer that question. I see vast fields > Â of grey Soviet-style housing blocks, long ration lines, > Â and then the rations get smaller and smaller. THAT makes > Â the 'economic logic' whether you're a 'capitalist' OR > Â 'socialist' or anything else. The ultimate conclusion > Â will be that we don't NEED 8 billion people, so ..... ...start a war with Ukraine! -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ...than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <yGCYR.185085$yrMe.69425@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #88014 |
On 2026-06-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Strawberries, cherries, olives, even lettuce, these are > sort of "luxury" foods. So, you pay the luxury price > until it finally becomes too high. My wife just got back from a shopping trip. One store was charging over $5 for a head of lettuce - while the others were selling it for 79 cents. One trick used by grocery chains is to charge more for the same products in the poor part of town, since the people there likely don't have cars or much access to transit. It's not exactly a free market. And then there's "dynamic pricing", where different people are charged different prices, presumably based on the dossier that the grocers have built on them. Makes you want to pay cash - at least until facial recognition comes in... > Now, WHAT to do with all the obsoleted humans ? Nobody > EVER wants to answer that question. I see vast fields > of grey Soviet-style housing blocks, long ration lines, > and then the rations get smaller and smaller. THAT makes > the 'economic logic' whether you're a 'capitalist' OR > 'socialist' or anything else. The provincial government here has overridden the planning departments of numerous local cities in order to ram through re-zoning for higher density. We're seeing great amounts of cookie-cutter housing being built, plus increasing numbers of high-rise towers - none of which is affordable. > The ultimate conclusion > will be that we don't NEED 8 billion people, so ..... Here we're obsessed with population growth, and have built an entire economic model around it. The only thing that will make the leaders question whether we need 8 billion people is the coming Malthusian crash. But even then, they're going to be OK, so why should they care? More taxpayers, more consumers to sell to... what's not to like? -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 01:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9gv55FrdnlU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88041 |
On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 19:35:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > One trick used by grocery chains is to charge more for the same products > in the poor part of town, since the people there likely don't have cars > or much access to transit. > It's not exactly a free market. I the '80s there was a coffee shortage, a failed harvest or something. I don't remember the details but I was working in Ft. Wayne and the price of coffee in the supermarkets doubled and there wasn't much of a selection on the shelves. Oe weekend I want down to Indianapolis and found there was no coffee shortage. Needless to say I stocked up.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 04:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xuqcnUdbGvsYMq73nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88043 |
On 6/17/26 21:15, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 19:35:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> One trick used by grocery chains is to charge more for the same products >> in the poor part of town, since the people there likely don't have cars >> or much access to transit. >> It's not exactly a free market. Nasty but, well, it's BUSINESS. The NUMBERS are what drive the paradigms. 'Compassion'/'fairness' ... Ha Ha Ha ! That's NEVER how it's worked. However I've shopped for the basics both in the shitty part of town and the elite part of town. Not THAT much diff, here at least. You WILL pay a bit more at 'convenience stores' in the 'elite' area however ... not so much at the grocery store. > I the '80s there was a coffee shortage, a failed harvest or something. I > don't remember the details but I was working in Ft. Wayne and the price of > coffee in the supermarkets doubled and there wasn't much of a selection on > the shelves. > > Oe weekend I want down to Indianapolis and found there was no coffee > shortage. Needless to say I stocked up. "Shortages" these days seem to be more FABRICATED than real. Even thus, note how many basic suppliers are FOLDING. There IS an underlying economic problem ... been there for a LONG time now, COVID and even before. MY area is reasonably "well to do" - not super-rich but doing OK. Still, my basic grocery bills - and I don't buy much or 'elite' stuff - have gone up at about 50% the past five years. $45 became $60+ for the exact same 10-items-or-less tote I buy. OK ... LOVE cashew nuts ... the price of THOSE has gone up like 200%. It's not just Trump or Joe or Covid or whatever either. Basic white meats - my main thing - are kinda stable.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 04:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xuqcnUZbGvuhLK73nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88041 |
On 6/17/26 15:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> Strawberries, cherries, olives, even lettuce, these are >> sort of "luxury" foods. So, you pay the luxury price >> until it finally becomes too high. > > My wife just got back from a shopping trip. One store was > charging over $5 for a head of lettuce - while the others > were selling it for 79 cents. Lettuce IS a "luxury" food ... almost zero nutrition but requires BIG field and LOTS of water and LOTS of human labor. > One trick used by grocery chains is to charge more for the > same products in the poor part of town, since the people > there likely don't have cars or much access to transit. > It's not exactly a free market. > > And then there's "dynamic pricing", where different people are > charged different prices, presumably based on the dossier that > the grocers have built on them. Makes you want to pay cash - > at least until facial recognition comes in... > >> Now, WHAT to do with all the obsoleted humans ? Nobody >> EVER wants to answer that question. I see vast fields >> of grey Soviet-style housing blocks, long ration lines, >> and then the rations get smaller and smaller. THAT makes >> the 'economic logic' whether you're a 'capitalist' OR >> 'socialist' or anything else. > > The provincial government here has overridden the planning > departments of numerous local cities in order to ram through > re-zoning for higher density. We're seeing great amounts of > cookie-cutter housing being built, plus increasing numbers > of high-rise towers - none of which is affordable. > >> The ultimate conclusion >> will be that we don't NEED 8 billion people, so ..... > > Here we're obsessed with population growth, and have built > an entire economic model around it. The only thing that > will make the leaders question whether we need 8 billion > people is the coming Malthusian crash. But even then, > they're going to be OK, so why should they care? More > taxpayers, more consumers to sell to... what's not to like? Ummm ... don't get TOO obsessed with Malthus. He never factored an expanding economic base or improved tech into his models properly. The REAL danger now is "AI" replacing a billion+ humans. Have NEVER seen a plan for dealing with all those obsolete humans. Look bad, VERY bad.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <LLWYR.161411$Hs3.147735@fx35.iad> |
| In reply to | #88052 |
On 2026-06-18, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 6/17/26 15:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Here we're obsessed with population growth, and have built >> an entire economic model around it. The only thing that >> will make the leaders question whether we need 8 billion >> people is the coming Malthusian crash. But even then, >> they're going to be OK, so why should they care? More >> taxpayers, more consumers to sell to... what's not to like? > > Ummm ... don't get TOO obsessed with Malthus. > He never factored an expanding economic base > or improved tech into his models properly. Certainly those factors mitigate the effects. But there are certain hard limits inherent in the Earth being finite. If our population continues to double every 40 years, then in 1800 years the entire mass of the planet will consist of people crawling over each other like a swarm of bees. > The REAL danger now is "AI" replacing a billion+ > humans. Have NEVER seen a plan for dealing with > all those obsolete humans. > > Look bad, VERY bad. "Don't worry - they can't really feel pain." Have you noticed how the term "quality of life" has been replaced by "livability"? -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 23:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9jejeFd22iU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88062 |
On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 18:26:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > Certainly those factors mitigate the effects. But there are certain > hard limits inherent in the Earth being finite. > If our population continues to double every 40 years, then in 1800 years > the entire mass of the planet will consist of people crawling over each > other like a swarm of bees. Milford Wolpoff is a paleoanthropologist who prosed a multiregional model rather than the Out of Africa one put forward by Stringer and others. I may have the wrong locale but I think it was Java. He remarked that a problem for looking for ancient evidence was you were always digging in somebody's backyard. There are 3,100 people per square mile, the tightest packed island in the world. * unless you consider Mumbai's historical seven islands.
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