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| First post | 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400 |
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Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 07:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:12 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 09:03 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:25 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:45 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:21 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 04:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-14 14:27 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:51 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 03:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:46 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:16 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-15 17:02 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 19:05 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 20:41 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 22:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 02:00 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 02:55 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:54 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:00 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:07 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:51 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:34 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:14 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 20:22 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 16:47 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:11 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:29 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:19 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:09 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:23 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 21:47 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:13 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:32 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:38 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:27 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:22 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-06-12 09:53 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:34 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:37 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:42 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 04:18 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 20:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 23:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 03:57 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:11 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-14 07:01 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 04:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-14 10:56 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:40 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-12 13:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-06-17 15:43 +0800
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 02:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9bs8qF7g2nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87998 |
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 02:00:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/06/2026 23:21, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 20:41:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >>> >>> Because automation is cheaper? >> >> That was not the decision taken by many US firms. > > One cant account for technologically backward countries How is the British automotive industry doing?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 11:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <110ra0q$125fe$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87999 |
On 16/06/2026 03:55, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 02:00:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 15/06/2026 23:21, rbowman wrote: >>> On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 20:41:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >>>> >>>> Because automation is cheaper? >>> >>> That was not the decision taken by many US firms. >> >> One cant account for technologically backward countries > > How is the British automotive industry doing? WE consider it too technologically backward to bother with, frankly. Best left to greasy pawed Krauts. -- “when things get difficult you just have to lie” ― Jean Claud Jüncker
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 18:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9dha7Feu80U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88004 |
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 11:54:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 16/06/2026 03:55, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 02:00:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 15/06/2026 23:21, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 20:41:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >>>>> >>>>> Because automation is cheaper? >>>> >>>> That was not the decision taken by many US firms. >>> >>> One cant account for technologically backward countries >> >> How is the British automotive industry doing? > > WE consider it too technologically backward to bother with, frankly. > Best left to greasy pawed Krauts. Like the Thairumph bikes? Historically Britain was first up with the industrial revolution, and they clung to the advantage. For example the attitude toward India. 'Just grow the cotton, wogs. We'll produce the textiles and sell the goods back to you.' It was very lukewarm support but Britain favored the south during the US Civil War. It was a source of raw material while the industrialized north was a competitor. Germany was fine as long as it was a mishmash of principalities making cheap knockoffs. With unification and the growth of technology Britain got nervous. Pissed it all away, didn't you? Not much left beyond the paper shufflers in the City, is there? The US followed suit. Today we grow cotton, ship it to Bangladesh, and buy it back as cheap goods from Walmart.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-17 10:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <110tquj$1os2e$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88010 |
On 16/06/2026 19:00, rbowman wrote: > Pissed it all away, didn't you? Not much left beyond the paper shufflers > in the City, is there? > > The US followed suit. Today we grow cotton, ship it to Bangladesh, and buy > it back as cheap goods from Walmart. I see TACO has prevailed, and Trump has surrendered to Iran, let them keep their nukes and will pay them $300bn in reparations. If they just let ships through Hormuz. At a price. Even our limp wet rag of a PM isn't that stupid -- "It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's" Joew Walsh
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 22:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2ZycnWZFDcTLnK_3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88004 |
On 6/16/26 06:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 16/06/2026 03:55, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 02:00:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 15/06/2026 23:21, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 20:41:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >>>>> >>>>> Because automation is cheaper? >>>> >>>> That was not the decision taken by many US firms. >>> >>> One cant account for technologically backward countries >> >> How is the British automotive industry doing? > > WE consider it too technologically backward to bother with, frankly. > Best left to greasy pawed Krauts. Not going to BE a Kraut auto industry soon - it'll all be crappy, sabotaged, China-EVs.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-17 03:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9ejuhFk6lqU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88016 |
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 22:07:17 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Not going to BE a Kraut auto industry soon - it'll all be crappy, > sabotaged, China-EVs. AMC paved the way. Look up the history of Beijing Benz. For another kick in the teeth: https://www.media.stellantis.com/em-en/opel/press/happy-tenth-birthday- ampera-opel-s-pioneering-electric-car That's where the Chevy Volt was born, not Detroit. Opel has had a strange history too. GM bought it during Weimar when the entire German auto industry was about to go under. Discouraging for the home of Otto and Benz. iirc there were a few more slaes before they wound up in Stellantis.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 12:34 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9cn6eFas8oU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87996 |
On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote:
>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap?
>
> Because automation is cheaper?
>
Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. The
only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 11:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <110ra2i$125fe$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88002 |
On 16/06/2026 11:34, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >> >> Because automation is cheaper? >> > > Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. The > only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour. > Entirely correct. And the Moroccan ones taste better. -- “when things get difficult you just have to lie” ― Jean Claud Jüncker
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 15:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9d0hsFas8oU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88005 |
On 2026-06-16 12:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 16/06/2026 11:34, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote:
>>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap?
>>>
>>> Because automation is cheaper?
>>>
>>
>> Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. The
>> only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour.
>>
> Entirely correct.
>
> And the Moroccan ones taste better.
Yes, the forbidden chemicals they use make a difference >:-P
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 15:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <110rlgp$15qav$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88006 |
On 16/06/2026 14:14, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-16 12:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 16/06/2026 11:34, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >>>> >>>> Because automation is cheaper? >>>> >>> >>> Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. >>> The only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour. >>> >> Entirely correct. >> >> And the Moroccan ones taste better. > > Yes, the forbidden chemicals they use make a difference >:-P > Oddly enough. EU regulations are far slacker than UK ones. We get Moroccan chemical tomatoes. Not dangerous 'organic' beansprouts "In 2011, contaminated organic bean sprouts caused a massive and deadly E. coli outbreak centered in northern Germany. The outbreak killed over 30 people and sickened more than 3,000 across Europe. It remains one of the worst foodborne illness epidemics in modern history." -- "Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold." ― Confucius
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 18:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9di6cFeu80U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88007 |
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 15:10:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 16/06/2026 14:14, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-06-16 12:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 16/06/2026 11:34, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >>>>> >>>>> Because automation is cheaper? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. >>>> The only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour. >>>> >>> Entirely correct. >>> >>> And the Moroccan ones taste better. >> >> Yes, the forbidden chemicals they use make a difference >:-P >> > Oddly enough. EU regulations are far slacker than UK ones. > > We get Moroccan chemical tomatoes. Not dangerous 'organic' beansprouts > > "In 2011, contaminated organic bean sprouts caused a massive and deadly > E. coli outbreak centered in northern Germany. The outbreak killed over > 30 people and sickened more than 3,000 across Europe. It remains one of > the worst foodborne illness epidemics in modern history." That's one of my pet peeves. Afaik there is no such thing as an inorganic beansprout. The man who taught ne to fly was an ag pilot in Vermont. A granola-muncher moved to Vermont and started a certified organic farm. John did his best keeping his eye on wind directions and so forth but when you're dumping pesticide from a Thrush flying 8' off the ground at 120 mph, the cloud tends to spread. Farmer Brown did not appreciate his free pesticide application.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 20:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9dij3Fff4aU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88007 |
On 2026-06-16 16:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 16/06/2026 14:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-06-16 12:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 16/06/2026 11:34, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because automation is cheaper?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day.
>>>> The only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour.
>>>>
>>> Entirely correct.
>>>
>>> And the Moroccan ones taste better.
>>
>> Yes, the forbidden chemicals they use make a difference >:-P
>>
> Oddly enough. EU regulations are far slacker than UK ones.
>
> We get Moroccan chemical tomatoes. Not dangerous 'organic' beansprouts
>
> "In 2011, contaminated organic bean sprouts caused a massive and deadly
> E. coli outbreak centered in northern Germany. The outbreak killed over
> 30 people and sickened more than 3,000 across Europe. It remains one of
> the worst foodborne illness epidemics in modern history."
My memory is not what it was, but I think that epidemic did not
originate where they thought.
Spain was accused, causing our farmers huge damage. But:
"Eventually investigators traced the outbreak to contaminated fenugreek
sprouts grown at an organic farm in Lower Saxony. The contamination was
believed to originate from imported fenugreek seeds, likely from Egypt,
although the exact point of contamination was never established with
complete certainty."
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <110tr3o$1os2e$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88013 |
On 16/06/2026 19:22, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-16 16:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 16/06/2026 14:14, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-06-16 12:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 16/06/2026 11:34, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>> On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >>>>>> >>>>>> Because automation is cheaper? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. >>>>> The only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour. >>>>> >>>> Entirely correct. >>>> >>>> And the Moroccan ones taste better. >>> >>> Yes, the forbidden chemicals they use make a difference >:-P >>> >> Oddly enough. EU regulations are far slacker than UK ones. >> >> We get Moroccan chemical tomatoes. Not dangerous 'organic' beansprouts >> >> "In 2011, contaminated organic bean sprouts caused a massive and >> deadly E. coli outbreak centered in northern Germany. The outbreak >> killed over 30 people and sickened more than 3,000 across Europe. It >> remains one of the worst foodborne illness epidemics in modern history." > > My memory is not what it was, but I think that epidemic did not > originate where they thought. > > Spain was accused, causing our farmers huge damage. But: > > "Eventually investigators traced the outbreak to contaminated fenugreek > sprouts grown at an organic farm in Lower Saxony. The contamination was > believed to originate from imported fenugreek seeds, likely from Egypt, > although the exact point of contamination was never established with > complete certainty." > That is bollocks., It was bean sprouts. You don't use fenugreek to grow beansprouts -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ...than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-17 16:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9g1coFrdnlU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88036 |
On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 10:58:16 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > That is bollocks., It was bean sprouts. You don't use fenugreek to grow > beansprouts True. You use fenugreek seeds to grow fenugreek spouts.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 22:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2ZycnWBFDcT_n6_3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88007 |
On 6/16/26 10:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 16/06/2026 14:14, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-06-16 12:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 16/06/2026 11:34, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >>>>> >>>>> Because automation is cheaper? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. >>>> The only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour. >>>> >>> Entirely correct. >>> >>> And the Moroccan ones taste better. >> >> Yes, the forbidden chemicals they use make a difference >:-P >> > Oddly enough. EU regulations are far slacker than UK ones. > > We get Moroccan chemical tomatoes. Not dangerous 'organic' beansprouts In USA, "organic" now seems to mean "infested with deadly bacteria/fungi/molds". > "In 2011, contaminated organic bean sprouts caused a massive and deadly > E. coli outbreak centered in northern Germany. The outbreak killed over > 30 people and sickened more than 3,000 across Europe. It remains one of > the worst foodborne illness epidemics in modern history." "Green" sure SOUNDS good, great propagandists ... but in PRACTICE ......
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-17 03:29 +0000 |
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 22:11:46 -0400, c186282 wrote: > In USA, "organic" now seems to mean "infested with deadly > bacteria/fungi/molds". I do wonder about RFK and his raw milk thing. I grew up in dairy country and I know cows don't shower very often. Sort of apropos: I read an article about Jenner a couple of days ago. While he was on to something like many people who follow The Science he wasn't above ignoring data. Many milkmaids had cowpox followed by smallpox. Inconvenient for the story. It's been reclassified but is Jenner's day cowpox was called 'variolae vaccinae'.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 22:09 -0400 |
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| In reply to | #88006 |
On 6/16/26 09:14, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-16 12:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 16/06/2026 11:34, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >>>> >>>> Because automation is cheaper? >>>> >>> >>> Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. >>> The only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour. >>> >> Entirely correct. >> >> And the Moroccan ones taste better. > > Yes, the forbidden chemicals they use make a difference >:-P Yum ! They started with DDT about 1940, dusted everything with it. Lifespans kept going up.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-17 03:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9ei28Fk6lqU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88017 |
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 22:09:13 -0400, c186282 wrote: > They started with DDT about 1940, dusted everything with it. > Lifespans kept going up. I remember drive-in movies as a kid. A/C consisted of rolling down the windows letting the mosquitoes in. The guy who drove up and down the aisles with a DDT fogger was really popular. I'm still alive. My career started in the plastics industry and I sometimes wondered how that was going to turn out. Some of the stuff is nasty, formaldehyde, tertiary amines for catalysts, plastisols, ... You know that 'new car smell'? Better living through chemistry.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 18:09 +0000 |
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 12:34:54 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >> >> Because automation is cheaper? >> >> > Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. The > only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour. The US has embraced farm automation. Uncle Remus ain't out in the field picking cotton anymore; he's collecting welfare and having mostly peaceful gatherings. The Roma tomato is a good example. It doesn't taste like much but it's been bred to have a squarish shape for more efficient packing and to be tough enough to survive mechanical harvesting. For transport from the fields the tomatoes are loaded into large open bins like huge bathtubs. They're piled as high as possible so the freeways sometimes resemble ketchup from the spillage. Some factory operations have been automated but processes like shoe production were shipped to Asia. The first choice was the Mexican maquiladoras but then the uppity Mexicans wanted a living wage.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 23:23 -0400 |
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| In reply to | #88011 |
On 6/16/26 14:09, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 12:34:54 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >>> >>> Because automation is cheaper? >>> >>> >> Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. The >> only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour. > > The US has embraced farm automation. Uncle Remus ain't out in the field > picking cotton anymore; he's collecting welfare and having mostly peaceful > gatherings. His 'welfare' will stop soon. NO good plan for all the obsoleted humans. Actually, it looks pretty BAD for billions. No 'cyber-paradise', more like directions to the nearest Soylent Green factory ........
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