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| First post | 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400 |
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Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 07:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:12 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 09:03 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:25 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:45 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:21 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 04:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-14 14:27 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:51 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 03:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:46 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:16 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-15 17:02 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 19:05 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 20:41 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 22:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 02:00 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 02:55 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:54 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:00 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:07 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:51 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:34 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:14 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 20:22 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 16:47 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:11 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:29 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:19 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:09 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:23 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:26 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 10:32 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:44 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 13:55 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 17:02 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:37 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 19:14 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 20:50 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:36 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 11:58 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:18 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:45 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 00:22 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:34 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 00:01 +0000
Communism ???? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-18 21:46 -0700
Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 05:59 +0000
Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:51 -0400
Re: Communism ???? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 11:51 +0200
Re: Communism ???? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:25 +0100
Re: Communism ???? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 16:41 +0000
Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 18:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 12:56 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 16:41 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:43 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:41 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:21 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:39 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:50 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:00 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:46 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:33 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:18 +0100
The Walmart Effect (Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT !) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-19 06:12 -0700
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:26 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:26 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 21:47 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:13 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 01:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:42 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:49 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:51 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:12 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:10 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-20 01:44 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:32 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:38 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:27 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:22 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-06-12 09:53 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:34 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:37 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:42 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 04:18 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 20:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 23:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 03:57 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:11 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-14 07:01 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 04:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-14 10:56 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:40 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-12 13:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-06-17 15:43 +0800
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:28 -0400
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-17 07:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9f059Fm4idU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88024 |
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:23:11 -0400, c186282 wrote: > His 'welfare' will stop soon. NO good plan for all the obsoleted > humans. Actually, it looks pretty BAD for billions. No > 'cyber-paradise', more like directions to the nearest Soylent Green > factory ........ It's harsh but a sizable tranche of the population has nothing to offer in the 21st century. There used to be jobs a person could take pride in but they're going fast. Some of the jobs sucked but there was the satisfaction of doing them well. Sort of the John Henry meme where he was faster than the steam drill.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 04:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xuqcnURbGvsxNq73nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88033 |
On 6/17/26 03:20, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:23:11 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> His 'welfare' will stop soon. NO good plan for all the obsoleted >> humans. Actually, it looks pretty BAD for billions. No >> 'cyber-paradise', more like directions to the nearest Soylent Green >> factory ........ > > It's harsh but a sizable tranche of the population has nothing to offer in > the 21st century. There used to be jobs a person could take pride in but > they're going fast. Some of the jobs sucked but there was the satisfaction > of doing them well. Sort of the John Henry meme where he was faster than > the steam drill. John Henry is a fair analogy. Yea, he barely beat the steam drill ... but it KILLED him. But NOW we're talking maybe a BILLION+ humans whose skill spectrum CANNOT compete with "AI". They're just not wired for it, or not smart enough, or something ... BIZ wants ROBOTS. MUCH easier to deal with on MANY levels. So, again, WHAT happens to all the obsoleted humans ? Seems to be NO plan, viable or not. Basically, they Just DIE HORRIBLY. Oh, clue, masses of unemployed humans CANNOT BUY yer AI-Cheapened Shit. This is where the biz/finance paradigm FALLS DOWN HARD. But won't show up on the quarterly reports for awhile yet .....
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 10:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9hoogF3teeU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88047 |
On 2026-06-18 10:26, c186282 wrote:
> On 6/17/26 03:20, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:23:11 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> His 'welfare' will stop soon. NO good plan for all the obsoleted
>>> humans. Actually, it looks pretty BAD for billions. No
>>> 'cyber-paradise', more like directions to the nearest Soylent Green
>>> factory ........
>>
>> It's harsh but a sizable tranche of the population has nothing to
>> offer in
>> the 21st century. There used to be jobs a person could take pride in but
>> they're going fast. Some of the jobs sucked but there was the
>> satisfaction
>> of doing them well. Sort of the John Henry meme where he was faster than
>> the steam drill.
>
> John Henry is a fair analogy.
>
> Yea, he barely beat the steam drill ... but
> it KILLED him.
>
> But NOW we're talking maybe a BILLION+ humans
> whose skill spectrum CANNOT compete with "AI".
> They're just not wired for it, or not smart
> enough, or something ...
>
> BIZ wants ROBOTS. MUCH easier to deal with on
> MANY levels.
>
> So, again, WHAT happens to all the obsoleted humans ?
>
> Seems to be NO plan, viable or not.
>
> Basically, they Just DIE HORRIBLY.
>
> Oh, clue, masses of unemployed humans CANNOT BUY
> yer AI-Cheapened Shit. This is where the biz/finance
> paradigm FALLS DOWN HARD.
>
> But won't show up on the quarterly reports for
> awhile yet .....
So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-)
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 09:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1110b5b$2fhtb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88049 |
On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: > So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-) > Its already here. MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution... The EU is just another collection of comissariats. -- "Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...." "What kind of person is not interested in those things?" "Jeremy Corbyn?"
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 13:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9i4l1F6v2gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88051 |
On 2026-06-18 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-)
>>
> Its already here.
>
> MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution...
> The EU is just another collection of comissariats.
>
Not even close.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 17:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11114q7$2nh8a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88056 |
On 18/06/2026 12:55, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-18 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> >>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-) >>> >> Its already here. >> >> MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution... >> The EU is just another collection of comissariats. >> > > Not even close. > No, bang on target -- Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 18:37 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9il5iF97blU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88057 |
On 2026-06-18 18:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/06/2026 12:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-06-18 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-)
>>>>
>>> Its already here.
>>>
>>> MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution...
>>> The EU is just another collection of comissariats.
>>>
>>
>> Not even close.
>>
> No, bang on target
>
I don't see Trump mandating a universal salary on the total population,
for ever, since 18 till death.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 19:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1111ci9$2q19a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88058 |
On 18/06/2026 17:37, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-18 18:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 18/06/2026 12:55, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-06-18 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-) >>>>> >>>> Its already here. >>>> >>>> MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution... >>>> The EU is just another collection of comissariats. >>>> >>> >>> Not even close. >>> >> No, bang on target >> > I don't see Trump mandating a universal salary on the total population, > for ever, since 18 till death. > Neither did the communists or the EU -- “People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of one’s suitability to be taken seriously.” Paul Krugman
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 20:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9isvoF97bmU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88059 |
On 2026-06-18 20:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/06/2026 17:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-06-18 18:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/06/2026 12:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-06-18 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Its already here.
>>>>>
>>>>> MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution...
>>>>> The EU is just another collection of comissariats.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not even close.
>>>>
>>> No, bang on target
>>>
>> I don't see Trump mandating a universal salary on the total
>> population, for ever, since 18 till death.
>>
> Neither did the communists or the EU
>
So? Theoretical communism is not as implemented by countries.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 23:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9jdn1Fd22iU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88065 |
On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 20:50:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-18 20:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 18/06/2026 17:37, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-06-18 18:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 18/06/2026 12:55, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>> On 2026-06-18 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-) >>>>>>> >>>>>> Its already here. >>>>>> >>>>>> MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution... >>>>>> The EU is just another collection of comissariats. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Not even close. >>>>> >>>> No, bang on target >>>> >>> I don't see Trump mandating a universal salary on the total >>> population, for ever, since 18 till death. >>> >> Neither did the communists or the EU >> >> > So? Theoretical communism is not as implemented by countries. Looking out the door I see some horses but nary a unicorn.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 11:58 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9ki5nFidf7U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88074 |
On 2026-06-19 01:36, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 20:50:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> On 2026-06-18 20:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/06/2026 17:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-06-18 18:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 18/06/2026 12:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-06-18 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its already here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution...
>>>>>>> The EU is just another collection of comissariats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not even close.
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, bang on target
>>>>>
>>>> I don't see Trump mandating a universal salary on the total
>>>> population, for ever, since 18 till death.
>>>>
>>> Neither did the communists or the EU
>>>
>>>
>> So? Theoretical communism is not as implemented by countries.
>
> Looking out the door I see some horses but nary a unicorn.
>
We are just sitting at the pub and talking :-)
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 17:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9lbuuFmbfkU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88090 |
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 11:58:15 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-19 01:36, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 20:50:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> >>> On 2026-06-18 20:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 18/06/2026 17:37, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>> On 2026-06-18 18:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> On 18/06/2026 12:55, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>>>> On 2026-06-18 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>>> On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Its already here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution... >>>>>>>> The EU is just another collection of comissariats. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not even close. >>>>>>> >>>>>> No, bang on target >>>>>> >>>>> I don't see Trump mandating a universal salary on the total >>>>> population, for ever, since 18 till death. >>>>> >>>> Neither did the communists or the EU >>>> >>>> >>> So? Theoretical communism is not as implemented by countries. >> >> Looking out the door I see some horses but nary a unicorn. >> >> > We are just sitting at the pub and talking :-) Some things do seem more plausible after a few pints. I gave that stuff up long ago when I started slipping further and further from reality.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 19:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9j06qFaeprU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88058 |
On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 18:37:06 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-18 18:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 18/06/2026 12:55, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-06-18 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-) >>>>> >>>> Its already here. >>>> >>>> MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution... >>>> The EU is just another collection of comissariats. >>>> >>>> >>> Not even close. >>> >> No, bang on target >> > I don't see Trump mandating a universal salary on the total population, > for ever, since 18 till death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ He_who_does_not_work,_neither_shall_he_eat#Soviet_Union
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 00:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9j9d9F97blU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88071 |
On 2026-06-18 21:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 18:37:06 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> On 2026-06-18 18:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/06/2026 12:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-06-18 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Its already here.
>>>>>
>>>>> MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution...
>>>>> The EU is just another collection of comissariats.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Not even close.
>>>>
>>> No, bang on target
>>>
>> I don't see Trump mandating a universal salary on the total population,
>> for ever, since 18 till death.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> He_who_does_not_work,_neither_shall_he_eat#Soviet_Union
>
As long as the state could provide jobs. The state was obligated to
provide jobs.
This is a new situation, there will not be jobs. Ergo, the only solution
is an universal salary, which is, arguably, a form of communism. Never
meant to be compared with an actual existing or past actual government.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 02:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <n5acnZpUso3QfKn3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88057 |
On 6/18/26 12:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/06/2026 12:55, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-06-18 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 18/06/2026 09:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> >>>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-) >>>> >>> Its already here. >>> >>> MAGA is just another Glorious Revolution... >>> The EU is just another collection of comissariats. >>> >> >> Not even close. >> > No, bang on target WRONG target.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <KLWYR.161409$Hs3.39815@fx35.iad> |
| In reply to | #88049 |
On 2026-06-18, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-06-18 10:26, c186282 wrote: > >> On 6/17/26 03:20, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:23:11 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> His 'welfare' will stop soon. NO good plan for all the obsoleted >>>> humans. Actually, it looks pretty BAD for billions. No >>>> 'cyber-paradise', more like directions to the nearest Soylent Green >>>> factory ........ >>> >>> It's harsh but a sizable tranche of the population has nothing to >>> offer in the 21st century. There used to be jobs a person could >>> take pride in but they're going fast. Some of the jobs sucked >>> but there was the satisfaction of doing them well. Sort of the >>> John Henry meme where he was faster than the steam drill. >> >> John Henry is a fair analogy. >> >> Yea, he barely beat the steam drill ... but >> it KILLED him. Yup. But it's the stuff of legends. They killed his body but couldn't kill his spirit. >> But NOW we're talking maybe a BILLION+ humans >> whose skill spectrum CANNOT compete with "AI". >> They're just not wired for it, or not smart >> enough, or something ... >> >> BIZ wants ROBOTS. MUCH easier to deal with on >> MANY levels. >> >> So, again, WHAT happens to all the obsoleted humans ? >> >> Seems to be NO plan, viable or not. >> >> Basically, they Just DIE HORRIBLY. That's OK, the Powers That Be will paper it over with noble-sounding phrases like "collateral damage", and make impassioned speeches about the sacrifices one must be willing to make for The Economy. >> Oh, clue, masses of unemployed humans CANNOT BUY >> yer AI-Cheapened Shit. This is where the biz/finance >> paradigm FALLS DOWN HARD. >> >> But won't show up on the quarterly reports for >> awhile yet ..... Yes, it'll be interesting to see how that one plays out. Already housing sales are falling due to the paucity of people who can afford it, which is why the ruling classes are panicking over our falling birth rate. > So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-) Why go from one extreme to the other? Perhaps there's a middle ground - a non-fanatical form of capitalism, perhaps. It will take some adjustment, though - ever since the 1980s, when greed became re-defined as a virtue, things have been going downhill. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 23:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9jdk9Fd22iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88060 |
On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 18:26:50 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-18, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2026-06-18 10:26, c186282 wrote: >> >>> On 6/17/26 03:20, rbowman wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:23:11 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>> >>>>> His 'welfare' will stop soon. NO good plan for all the >>>>> obsoleted humans. Actually, it looks pretty BAD for billions. >>>>> No 'cyber-paradise', more like directions to the nearest >>>>> Soylent Green factory ........ >>>> >>>> It's harsh but a sizable tranche of the population has nothing to >>>> offer in the 21st century. There used to be jobs a person could take >>>> pride in but they're going fast. Some of the jobs sucked but there >>>> was the satisfaction of doing them well. Sort of the John Henry meme >>>> where he was faster than the steam drill. >>> >>> John Henry is a fair analogy. >>> >>> Yea, he barely beat the steam drill ... but it KILLED him. > > Yup. But it's the stuff of legends. They killed his body but couldn't > kill his spirit. There are a lot of versions. In some when John falls dead his wife, Polly Ann, picks up the hammer and finishes the job. 'She drove steel like a man.' In other versions John has two women. The one dressed in red, or maybe blue, heads down the tracks and doesn't look back.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 00:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mF%YR.131359$WQ_e.100691@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #88073 |
On 2026-06-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 18:26:50 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-06-18, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-06-18 10:26, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Henry is a fair analogy.
>>>>
>>>> Yea, he barely beat the steam drill ... but it KILLED him.
>>
>> Yup. But it's the stuff of legends. They killed his body but couldn't
>> kill his spirit.
>
> There are a lot of versions. In some when John falls dead his wife, Polly
> Ann, picks up the hammer and finishes the job. 'She drove steel like a
> man.' In other versions John has two women. The one dressed in red, or
> maybe blue, heads down the tracks and doesn't look back.
The Traveling McCourys did a good one about his support crew:
You swing the hammer, John, I'll hold the drill
I'll be your shaker, you know I always will
Careful with that hammer, my life is in your hands
If we don't make it through the mountain, John
I'll meet you over in the promised land
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation
/ \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-18 21:46 -0700 |
| Subject | Communism ???? |
| Message-ID | <1112hjg$335im$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88060 |
On 2026-06-18 11:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-18, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: [snipped] >> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-) > > Why go from one extreme to the other? Perhaps there's > a middle ground - a non-fanatical form of capitalism, > perhaps. It will take some adjustment, though - ever > since the 1980s, when greed became re-defined as a virtue, > things have been going downhill. There are places with a less fanatical capitalism, such as Canada and the Nordic countries. They seem to do quite well for most of the people living there. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-19 05:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Communism ???? |
| Message-ID | <n9k46sFd22iU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88079 |
On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 21:46:40 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 2026-06-18 11:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-06-18, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > [snipped] >>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-) >> >> Why go from one extreme to the other? Perhaps there's a middle ground >> - a non-fanatical form of capitalism, perhaps. It will take some >> adjustment, though - ever since the 1980s, when greed became re-defined >> as a virtue, things have been going downhill. > > There are places with a less fanatical capitalism, such as Canada and > the Nordic countries. They seem to do quite well for most of the people > living there. Until recently the Nordic countries had an an advantage. Your neighbor was Sven, not Mohammad, so it was a big happy family. I don't think the Nordic model is workable in a diverse society. Norway having oil money flowing in helped too.
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