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  MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 01:07 +0000
    Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 00:10 -0400
      Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 06:16 +0000
        Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 03:19 -0400
          Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:11 +0000
            Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 23:00 -0400
      Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-14 10:33 +0100
        Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:20 +0000
          Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-14 19:45 +0100
            Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 23:49 +0000
              Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:41 -0400
            Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:34 -0400
              Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-15 07:23 +0100
                Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:02 +0000
                  Re: MX Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 12:36 +0100
                  Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 03:39 -0400
                    Re: MX Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:52 +0100
                      Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:05 -0400
                        Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 02:59 +0000
                          Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:55 -0400
                            Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:00 +0000
                              Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-17 08:14 +0100
                                Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:10 -0400
                                  Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:26 +0000
                              Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 03:20 -0400
                                Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 18:45 +0000
                            Re: MX Linux John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 15:50 -0700
                              Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:53 -0400
                    Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 17:52 +0000
                      Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:19 -0400
                        Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:07 +0000
                          Re: MX Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 11:06 +0100
                          Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:02 -0400
                            Re: MX Linux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
                            Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:23 +0000
                Re: MX Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 08:01 +0000
              Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:00 +0000
          Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 23:05 -0400
        Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:32 -0400
          Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-15 07:21 +0100
            Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 02:50 -0400
              Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-15 13:19 +0100
            Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 06:52 +0000
              Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 03:37 -0400
                Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 17:00 +0000
                  Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:40 -0400
            Re: MX Linux Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-15 13:09 +0200
      Re: MX Linux 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-06-14 11:50 +0200
        Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:16 +0000
          Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 23:04 -0400
            Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 06:56 +0000
        Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:35 -0400

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#87983

On 6/15/26 02:21, Andy Burns wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    Anyway, MX, try it out. I can't see how you would be
> 
> I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma 

   Uuuugh ! TRIED it. NOT all that happy. Ultimately
   DUMPED it.

   Others love it more fanatically, so I'm not gonna
   pretend to be the True Prophet. Still, now, you're
   better off with Deb spins and a more simple desktop.
   Just MY experiences.

   I test MANY distros - some in VMs, some bare metal
   Just Too See. Had horrible issues with the latest
   Fedora and UPDATES. GUI or CLI ... they'd all HANG
   about a third of the way through. Some - indeed
   online bug reports - say the same. Some say they
   have few/no probs. Puzzling. Can usually update ONCE,
   then the issues kick in. Fedora USED to be one of those
   "Just Works" distros.

   Deb derivs USUALLY "Just Work".

> spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works 
> and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a 
> less powerful media PC ...

   "MX" ... it's a gem of a "middle distro" with some
   extra perks thrown in. It's now my go-to for any box.
   Add to it, subtract from it - you can get What You Need
   with minimal trouble. Even more all-compatible than Mint.

   Have several of those "mini-boxes" - BeeLink/BMax - more
   than fast enough for Linux. Always have at least one
   dedicated to nothing - meaning I can test various
   distros bare-metal if they seem worth it.

   Hmm, found a SPARE mini-box in a cardboard box the
   other day. NOT sure why it's there. Yet another one
   I can use for bare-metal testing if I want. "N-90" ?
   Not "speedy", but again Fast Enough for Linux. Even
   Pi-4/5s are often "Fast Enough" depending.

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#87993

c186282 wrote:

>    I test MANY distros - some in VMs, some bare metal
>    Just Too See. 

I tend to stick with what I know (redhat/fedora/centos/alma)

>    Had horrible issues with the latest
>    Fedora and UPDATES. 


I managed to b0rk my fedora during the upgrade to fc41, think I ended-up 
with rawhide repos enabled after the upgrade so have a real mish-mash of 
versions, never managed to get a clean upgrade after that, henc I think 
it's time to nuke and start again ...

>    GUI or CLI ... they'd all HANG
>    about a third of the way through. Some - indeed
>    online bug reports - say the same. Some say they
>    have few/no probs. Puzzling. Can usually update ONCE,
>    then the issues kick in. Fedora USED to be one of those
>    "Just Works" distros.

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#87984

On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 07:21:27 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    Anyway, MX, try it out. I can't see how you would be
> 
> I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma
> spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works
> and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a
> less powerful media PC ...

My Fedora and Leap 16 boxes are KDE and the EndeavourOS install was KDE. I 
was surprised by MX's Xfce. It looks a lot better than what was on my 
Debian Bullseye work box and what I tried with Linux Mint.  It almost 
looks like KDE :)

Not a factor for me but KDE needs systemd. The MX VM is SysVinit/X11.

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#88000

On 6/15/26 02:52, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 07:21:27 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     Anyway, MX, try it out. I can't see how you would be
>>
>> I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma
>> spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works
>> and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a
>> less powerful media PC ...
> 
> My Fedora and Leap 16 boxes are KDE and the EndeavourOS install was KDE. I
> was surprised by MX's Xfce. It looks a lot better than what was on my
> Debian Bullseye work box and what I tried with Linux Mint.  It almost
> looks like KDE :)
> 
> Not a factor for me but KDE needs systemd. The MX VM is SysVinit/X11.

   Incorrect. It offers two installs - SysV and systemd. SEEMS
   to install according to the one you pick.

   If NOT ... install 'grub-customizer'. The systemd start-up
   is on the secondary, options?, menu and the app will let
   you choose that as the default.

   So, you can get a clean run with whichever you want.

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#88008

On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 03:37:09 -0400, c186282 wrote:


>    Incorrect. It offers two installs - SysV and systemd. SEEMS to
>    install according to the one you pick.

You are correct. I was thinking of the Plasma Login Manager.

https://hackaday.com/2026/02/02/kde-binds-itself-tightly-to-systemd-drops-
support-for-non-systemd-systems/

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#88019

On 6/16/26 13:00, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 03:37:09 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
> 
>>     Incorrect. It offers two installs - SysV and systemd. SEEMS to
>>     install according to the one you pick.
> 
> You are correct. I was thinking of the Plasma Login Manager.
> 
> https://hackaday.com/2026/02/02/kde-binds-itself-tightly-to-systemd-drops-
> support-for-non-systemd-systems/

   Installed a new MX on two boxes lately - DO remember
   the options. If you want SysV then you can install/run
   SysV, if you want systemd then the same. If you want to
   CHANGE in the middle, use "grub-customizer" to pick off
   the menus. My little NAS box was, alas, installed as
   SysV when I really wanted systemd - didn't look closely
   enough. "Grub-customizer" fixed that without the need
   for a full re-install.

   MOST distros I've come across lately are either one
   or the other. Want/need something else - suck it.

   Did finally get "Tribblix" and "OpenIndiana" installed
   in VBox today. Suppose there's OK for a certain crowd
   but there are also lots of little probs (even with
   like terminal windows). The OpenIndiana/Solaris model
   uses "pkg" to find software, but the whole model is
   kind of anti-"install" ... you're supposed to download
   gzips, expand, compile .....

   Tribblix ... slightly more sensible package system
   using "zap". It CAN fully install. However half the
   software is in "overlay" files - and if you pick one
   of them it installs EVERYTHING in them whether you
   want it or not. Note not a HUGE selection of
   software either.

   All kinda CRUDE. Some of the BSDs are more "with it"
   these days.

   The underlying Solaris system IS solid, good for
   servers and such, but .....

   Squished both into a VDI and put them off into
   long-term storage. Shouldn't be in a BIG hurry
   to destroy working stuff.

   Anyway, tomorrow, "Endeavour".

   SO much out there - gotta keep checking around.
   Every so often somebody DOES have the Better Idea.

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#87991

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma 
>spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works 
>and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a 
>less powerful media PC ...

Try a new desktop always with a new account. Otherwise, you risk
modifying your "daily driver desktop" in a way you maybe don't like.

Greetings
Marc
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#87958

W dniu 14.06.2026 o 06:10, c186282 pisze:
>    And, Blessed Be Synaptic ! Your one-stop intuitive and
>    useful util for everything the distro has.

I recall that I use Synaptic only at the beginning my Linux experience. 
It was before 2010. Since I return to Linux in dec. 2017, I use only 
apt. It is very easy and very intuitive for me.

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#87963

On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:50:49 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

> W dniu 14.06.2026 o 06:10, c186282 pisze:
>>    And, Blessed Be Synaptic ! Your one-stop intuitive and useful util
>>    for everything the distro has.
> 
> I recall that I use Synaptic only at the beginning my Linux experience.
> It was before 2010. Since I return to Linux in dec. 2017, I use only
> apt. It is very easy and very intuitive for me.

I seldom use anything but the CLI for installs and updates. apt, dnf, and 
zypper are pretty much the same. pacman was the odd one with -Syu.

At some point I did install Synaptic on the Ubuntu box. If I do want a GUI 
it's better than the Ubuntu utility.

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#87973

On 6/14/26 14:16, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:50:49 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
> 
>> W dniu 14.06.2026 o 06:10, c186282 pisze:
>>>     And, Blessed Be Synaptic ! Your one-stop intuitive and useful util
>>>     for everything the distro has.
>>
>> I recall that I use Synaptic only at the beginning my Linux experience.
>> It was before 2010. Since I return to Linux in dec. 2017, I use only
>> apt. It is very easy and very intuitive for me.
> 
> I seldom use anything but the CLI for installs and updates. apt, dnf, and
> zypper are pretty much the same. pacman was the odd one with -Syu.
> 
> At some point I did install Synaptic on the Ubuntu box. If I do want a GUI
> it's better than the Ubuntu utility.

   If you're only using the CLI utils then you're MISSING
   like 90% of what's in yer distro.

   A good distro is like a hardware store ... you don't
   know what you "really need" until you go there and
   see what's on all the shelves  :-)

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#87985

On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 23:04:48 -0400, c186282 wrote:


>    If you're only using the CLI utils then you're MISSING like 90% of
>    what's in yer distro.
> 
>    A good distro is like a hardware store ... you don't know what you
>    "really need" until you go there and see what's on all the shelves

I know what I need for what I do. What I install is basically the same 
across disros, including Windows 11. I sometimes have that problem with 
hardware stores but even there I'm usually looking for something for a 
project that isn't always what it was designed for.

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#87970

On 6/14/26 05:50, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
> W dniu 14.06.2026 o 06:10, c186282 pisze:
>>    And, Blessed Be Synaptic ! Your one-stop intuitive and
>>    useful util for everything the distro has.
> 
> I recall that I use Synaptic only at the beginning my Linux experience. 
> It was before 2010. Since I return to Linux in dec. 2017, I use only 
> apt. It is very easy and very intuitive for me.

   Synaptic will put all the info about the what and why
   of every package right up front where you can see it.
   Apt, apt-get, they WORK of course ... but they're most
   useful if you already know exactly what you want.

   Try Synaptic again. See what I mean.

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