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| First post | 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400 |
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Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 07:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:12 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 09:03 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:25 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:45 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:21 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 04:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-14 14:27 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:51 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 03:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:46 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:16 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-15 17:02 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 19:05 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 20:41 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 22:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 02:00 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 02:55 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:54 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:00 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:07 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:51 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:34 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:14 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 20:22 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 16:47 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:11 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:29 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:19 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:09 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:23 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 21:47 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:13 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:32 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:38 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:27 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:22 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-06-12 09:53 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:34 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:37 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:42 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 04:18 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 20:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 23:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 03:57 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:11 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-14 07:01 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 04:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-14 10:56 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:40 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-12 13:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-06-17 15:43 +0800
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-14 18:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n98ap3Fkc5pU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87953 |
On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 03:57:59 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Alas VBox, of late, has become kinda weird. > MAYbe they'll fix it, MAYbe they'll only do it if you pay lots of > money. I didn't try really hard but VB on Mint didn't go smoothly even after blacklisting the kvm module. It bitched about dependencies that looked like they would conflict with installed packages. No need when 'apt install virt-manager' goes smoothly. > For the record, do NOT think it's a great idea to VM one machine into > 10. Hardware FAILS ... > and then it'll take your WHOLE operation down. Been there, seen it, > smelled the smoke coming out of the server. > > Yea, ACTUAL smoke - higher-end board too. I had a long discussion with one of our senior implementation people. Mirroring a VM to another VM on the same box doesn't cover your ass very well. We used VMs for testing in house. The discussions could get heated if someone shutdown a VM they didn't think anyone was using to fire up another one. > Just this week I tested OpenSUSE. After allocating what I *thought* > would be enough fake disk space I saw I'd already used up like 85% > plus. VBox ... just move a slider and wait maybe ten minutes. > KVM/Xen/etc ... it's editing fiddly config files and then two or > three weird/dangerous ops to convince the OS to use the extra space. > > So, guess which solution I go with .... I skimped with MX and gave it 20 GB. It used 11 G, which is okay for my purposed. I also gave it 8 GB of RAM and so far it's used under 1 GB. Not bad.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xFSdnal6L8rwELL3nZ2dnZfqnPgAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87965 |
On 6/14/26 14:38, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 03:57:59 -0400, c186282 wrote: > > >> Alas VBox, of late, has become kinda weird. >> MAYbe they'll fix it, MAYbe they'll only do it if you pay lots of >> money. > > I didn't try really hard but VB on Mint didn't go smoothly even after > blacklisting the kvm module. It bitched about dependencies that looked > like they would conflict with installed packages. No need when 'apt > install virt-manager' goes smoothly. > >> For the record, do NOT think it's a great idea to VM one machine into >> 10. Hardware FAILS ... >> and then it'll take your WHOLE operation down. Been there, seen it, >> smelled the smoke coming out of the server. >> >> Yea, ACTUAL smoke - higher-end board too. > > I had a long discussion with one of our senior implementation people. > Mirroring a VM to another VM on the same box doesn't cover your ass very > well. > > We used VMs for testing in house. The discussions could get heated if > someone shutdown a VM they didn't think anyone was using to fire up > another one. Last VM servers I set up, used a very minimal Deb as the host and then went from there. It was pretty successful but frankly I pref the dedicated-boxes model - more robust. Alas ... with the import/tariff wars and lack of memory chips, the One Good Box with several VMs on it MAY be the more affordable model now. Oh wait, just pay M$ to be your "servers" and "backup" and "working storage" - that's sure to work out in the end, until Xi taps the Big Shiny Red Button on his desk :-) >> Just this week I tested OpenSUSE. After allocating what I *thought* >> would be enough fake disk space I saw I'd already used up like 85% >> plus. VBox ... just move a slider and wait maybe ten minutes. >> KVM/Xen/etc ... it's editing fiddly config files and then two or >> three weird/dangerous ops to convince the OS to use the extra space. >> >> So, guess which solution I go with .... > > I skimped with MX and gave it 20 GB. It used 11 G, which is okay for my > purposed. I also gave it 8 GB of RAM and so far it's used under 1 GB. Not > bad. If you're using VBox then it's super-easy to expand the fake disk space. KVM/Xen ... NOT so much. ANYhow ... try it out. Don't think you will be disappointed. They pretty much Got It Just Right. I've tried almost EVERYTHING out there over the past years. Some are a little better or worse at whatever. MX seems to be the ideal middle-point - add, subtract, tweak a bit ... an easy reach. It's where I've settled unless I'm intentionally looking for "adventure".
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-15 07:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n99mtlFrbe7U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87977 |
On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 01:27:53 -0400, c186282 wrote: > I've tried almost EVERYTHING out there over the past years. > Some are a little better or worse at whatever. MX seems to be the > ideal middle-point - add, subtract, tweak a bit ... an easy reach. > It's where I've settled unless I'm intentionally looking for > "adventure". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp1W5w6eJi8 The guy makes some good points. Mint for beginners. Ubuntu if you plan to work in the field since Ubuntu Server is widely used. He uses Fedora, and that also has RHEL in the wings. He loathes Omarchy. Said he was curious about CatchOS but is skeptical about it's top rankings on Distrowatch. If you're going to use an Arch derivative and really want to learn about Linux administration go directly to Arch. Said he used it but it does tend to brick sooner or later. He mentioned he's always been tempted to try NixOS but doesn't want to learn a specialized language to set up a system however he found it interesting France decided to use it. For someone looking for a job very few organizations use it so being a NixOS wizard doesn't do much on a CV. I don't think he even mentioned SUSE in passing.
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| From | mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) |
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| Date | 2026-06-14 07:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10tghjm.710.mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net> |
| In reply to | #87945 |
On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 23:09:35 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Still interested in trying GenToo ... never have. > Some describe it as "Linux-ish" though technically > it's a Linux. I run gentoo everywhere. I'm not sure what only makes it "Linux-ish". It's a "you only get what you install" distro. Which means, you're compiling everything as well. But it runs all the same stuff and has all the same packages available as any other distro. The portage package manager is super powerful and flexible. It has a learning curve though. After almost 10 years with it, I can't go back. I find yum/dnf on Rocky very limiting, and apt has always felt brain-dead to me. -- Sent from my Personal DECstation 5000/25
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-14 04:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <QAWdnR9oMpKR_rP3nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87951 |
On 6/14/26 03:01, Mechanicjay wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 23:09:35 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> Still interested in trying GenToo ... never have. >> Some describe it as "Linux-ish" though technically >> it's a Linux. > > I run gentoo everywhere. I'm not sure what only makes it "Linux-ish". Look on the net. It's a bit "different", hence ... > It's a > "you only get what you install" distro. Which means, you're compiling > everything as well. But it runs all the same stuff and has all the same > packages available as any other distro. > > The portage package manager is super powerful and flexible. It has a learning > curve though. After almost 10 years with it, I can't go back. I find yum/dnf on > Rocky very limiting, and apt has always felt brain-dead to me. Don't love the "portage" idea ... smells of antique BSD distros. IMHO, put it all UP FRONT ALL THE TIME. Don't "port" ANYTHING. But, still GONNA give it a try. MAYbe I'll like it. Too many of the traditional distros have become a bit weird for no good reasons. Gotta cultivate possible alts, Just In Case. SLACK is also there - but it IS a lot of work. Getting way too OLD for that. "Just Works OK" is my goal now. Got Linux distros when they still came on floppies. Not my first rodeo, so to speak. Not sure how I didn't give GenToo a try before ... went to the BSDs instead. Anyway, we'll see ....... Still waiting for a modern updated version of VMS. It'll never happen :-) Have this huge thick small- print manual ........
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-06-14 10:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <110lqcb$1puvg$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #87951 |
mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) wrote: >I run gentoo everywhere. I'm not sure what only makes it "Linux-ish". It's a >"you only get what you install" distro. Which means, you're compiling >everything as well. I don't see any advantages of that, other that you have untested binaries and a big chance of having a broken toolchain, and that you're unlikely to have the deep understanding of what you're doing that the distribution people have. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-14 18:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n98atjFkc5pU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87951 |
On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 07:01:50 -0000 (UTC), Mechanicjay wrote: > I run gentoo everywhere. I'm not sure what only makes it "Linux-ish". > It's a "you only get what you install" distro. Which means, you're > compiling everything as well. But it runs all the same stuff and has > all the same packages available as any other distro. The thrill of building everything from tarballs wore off about 25 years ago for me.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xFSdna56L8rEELL3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87966 |
On 6/14/26 14:40, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 07:01:50 -0000 (UTC), Mechanicjay wrote: > >> I run gentoo everywhere. I'm not sure what only makes it "Linux-ish". >> It's a "you only get what you install" distro. Which means, you're >> compiling everything as well. But it runs all the same stuff and has >> all the same packages available as any other distro. > > The thrill of building everything from tarballs wore off about 25 years > ago for me. Fully agree. However GenToo seems designed for those who DO still want to ultra-customize, so it's good it's still out there. After reading-up a bit I decided NOT to do GenToo - am too old now for so much fiddly, maybe volatile, stuff. Leave that for the teens/20s crowd. TRYING to download a Solaris deriv called "Tribblix", fair reviews. The download link is VERY slow alas and has broken twice now. There is "Tribblix" and "OmniTribblix" ... the second one Sounded Better. Now trying the 'regular' one. Also fails about 20% thru. Will see if there are alts. No, don't hate Solaris. Not always everyone's proverbial cup-o-tea but it's a solid lineage. Used it on a limited basis a few years back. Kinda COMPLICATED partition spectrum alas, seems overkill unless maybe you're setting up a petabyte server. Anyway, if 'Tribblix' won't download I also got the latest OpenIndiana and will see how/if that's improved over the past few years. DID try "Plan9" once. I sort of "get it", but it's really not for *A* box ... more a 'cluster' system. Seems they DID port it to the latest IBM mini- mainframes a few years ago - so it's still out there doing its special thing :-) STILL hoping for a modern-tweaked VMS. That was WAY ahead of its time ... and would not be all so out-of-date even now. Could natively do international cluster/cloud over acoustic modems. Also have this 4" thick small-print manual ... Alas ... will "AI" obsolete all human programmers and systems ??? Stay tuned - but expect the worst. Human made/coded ... likely to become a 'fetish' like valve HAM sets. THEN they will decree it as a "security risk" because there aren't 10,000 spyware bits included. IMHO, never let good systems die. SMALL end - still have a CP/M-86 VM. Another Good System. DID come across a couple of modern Z-80 (compatible) "kit" boards. MIGHT spend the money. CP/M and old DOS were "just good enough" for a bunch of things. Real Z-80 chips can still be had too if you're that ambitious. Do have a ZX-81 under The Heap somewhere but that really wasn't wired for much expansion. You CAN buy refurbished S-100 boxes now, but $$$ for the most part and good luck with the peripherials. FPGAs can be programmed to emulate almost any old chip, as or more fast than the originals. Even saw a TI-990(0) one last year sometime - FUNKY, but good. Ah, JUST got 'Tribblix' regular - after 1pm. Will try it tomorrow. Note the site has NO "contact" link - can't even complain about the deathly slow/fragile downlink. THINK it's mostly just ONE guy, Peter Tribble, not a collaborative team. Not so great, maybe not so likely to survive. Still have the latest OpenIndiana though ...
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| From | mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 13:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10tbvdu.6d2.mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net> |
| In reply to | #87875 |
On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 01:49:42 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >OK ... OpenSUSE has become just kinda TERRIBLE ... it's I was a long time OpenSuse user and gave up on it about 9 years ago. For a long time it was the best distro that Just Worked (tm). I started getting annoyed at various decisions. The deprication of Yast, SuseFirewall, loading my system up with all sorts of btrfs services along with severe bloat for no discernable reason. I'm still daily driving my X61 Tablet, and it just became painful to run Suse on it due to bloat. Anyway, I'm 100% on Gentoo now everywhere. Is it "better"? I don't know. It does piss me off less, which is really my goal when it comes to my computers. YMMV -- Sent from my Personal DECstation 5000/25
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| From | Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-17 15:43 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <110tj6t$1mmq9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87875 |
Yes, hardly an alternative to Centos. Tumbleweed is okay, so why is Leap an ebola turd?
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