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  MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 01:07 +0000
    Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 00:10 -0400
      Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 06:16 +0000
        Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 03:19 -0400
          Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:11 +0000
            Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 23:00 -0400
      Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-14 10:33 +0100
        Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:20 +0000
          Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-14 19:45 +0100
            Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 23:49 +0000
              Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:41 -0400
            Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:34 -0400
              Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-15 07:23 +0100
                Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:02 +0000
                  Re: MX Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 12:36 +0100
                  Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 03:39 -0400
                    Re: MX Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:52 +0100
                      Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:05 -0400
                        Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 02:59 +0000
                          Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:55 -0400
                            Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:00 +0000
                              Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-17 08:14 +0100
                                Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:10 -0400
                                  Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:26 +0000
                              Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 03:20 -0400
                                Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 18:45 +0000
                                  Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:50 -0400
                                    Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 16:56 +0000
                            Re: MX Linux John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 15:50 -0700
                              Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:53 -0400
                    Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 17:52 +0000
                      Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:19 -0400
                        Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:07 +0000
                          Re: MX Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 11:06 +0100
                          Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:02 -0400
                            Re: MX Linux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
                              Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:37 -0400
                            Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:23 +0000
                              Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-19 04:46 +0100
                                Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 05:55 +0000
                                  Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:56 -0400
                                Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:59 -0400
                                  Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:00 +0000
                Re: MX Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-15 08:01 +0000
              Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:00 +0000
          Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 23:05 -0400
        Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:32 -0400
          Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-15 07:21 +0100
            Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 02:50 -0400
              Re: MX Linux Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-15 13:19 +0100
            Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 06:52 +0000
              Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 03:37 -0400
                Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 17:00 +0000
                  Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:40 -0400
            Re: MX Linux Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-15 13:09 +0200
      Re: MX Linux 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-06-14 11:50 +0200
        Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:16 +0000
          Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 23:04 -0400
            Re: MX Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 06:56 +0000
        Re: MX Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:35 -0400

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#88087

On 6/19/26 01:55, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 04:46:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> speedtest.net shows 40 Mbps down on the older Dell box with Fedora, 101
>>> Mbps on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. I'm thinking the difference is
>>> the older WiFi chip. I've got an Ethernet cable coming today to see if
>>> a direct connection gets it up to full advertised speed.
>>
>> Highly likely ... IME the biggest cause of people not getting the speed
>> they're paying their ISP for is WiFi.
> 
> The Fedora box is showing the full 100 Mbps with a wired connection.
> Updating VS Code had been a problem with a lot of timeouts but it took
> seconds. The box had also been sluggish with sftp from other machines on
> the LAN but that was also greatly improved.
> 
> The wireless adapter is a Qualcom Atheros from 2014 to match the rest of
> the hardware. It must be tired. It is 2.4 GHz. The Lenovo T480 has a newer
> Intel adapter that connects at 5 GHz and shows 100 Mbps down.
> 
> I haven't moved the Beelink to Starlink yet but it's also relatively new
> and probably will get the full speed.
> 
> The 2011 netbook is also a 2.4 GHz connection but it gets 70 Mbps. It's
> not heavily used so that's fine.
> 
> I was hoping I could resolve the problem of the VM not being visible on
> the LAN with a wired connection but so far no luck. That's not a big deal
> either.

   KVM is not 'local network' friendly.

   With VBox it's checking one little thing.

   Anyway, good luck with your StarLink ... keep us
   informed. LOOKS to be a good 'backup', sometimes
   'main', net connection. Every old provider is just
   obsessed with 5G links now - often for the worse.
   Wires/fibers are EXPENSIVE.

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#88088

On 6/18/26 23:46, Andy Burns wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
> 
>> speedtest.net shows 40 Mbps down on the older Dell box with Fedora, 101
>> Mbps on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. I'm thinking the difference is the
>> older WiFi chip. I've got an Ethernet cable coming today to see if a
>> direct connection gets it up to full advertised speed.
> 
> Highly likely ... IME the biggest cause of people not getting the speed 
> they're paying their ISP for is WiFi.

   Umm ... my actual WiFi ain't bad - and SOME links are
   over 'extenders'. My biggest prob was the 5G. Just in
   the past week that finally improved - they must have
   added an antenna. Still not "great", but a great
   improvement over what I've had for a year+. "Usable".

   SEVERAL places connections can go wrong alas.

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#88102

On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 02:59:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> On 6/18/26 23:46, Andy Burns wrote:
>> rbowman wrote:
>> 
>>> speedtest.net shows 40 Mbps down on the older Dell box with Fedora,
>>> 101 Mbps on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. I'm thinking the difference
>>> is the older WiFi chip. I've got an Ethernet cable coming today to see
>>> if a direct connection gets it up to full advertised speed.
>> 
>> Highly likely ... IME the biggest cause of people not getting the speed
>> they're paying their ISP for is WiFi.
> 
>    Umm ... my actual WiFi ain't bad - and SOME links are over
>    'extenders'. My biggest prob was the 5G. Just in the past week that
>    finally improved - they must have added an antenna. Still not
>    "great", but a great improvement over what I've had for a year+.
>    "Usable".
> 
>    SEVERAL places connections can go wrong alas.

The problem was not the Verizon WiFi hotspot but the WiFi adapter in the 
old Dell box. The newer Lenovo laptop with an Intel 5 GHz adapter works 
fine. The Dell is 2.4 GHz. A wired connection brought it up to full speed.

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#87990

On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 07:23:36 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> That's why i tried the USA mirrors too, they are just as fast to me
> as the UK ones, I suspect the problem is the internet connection
> between the USA mirrors (mostly big .edu) and your ISP ...

Is a torrent available? That would spread the bandwidth load among
multiple peers.

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#87986

On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 01:34:09 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Crappy mirrors HAVE become a problem of late,
>    and not just for MX. Set up a generic Deb a few months ago ... again
>    HORRIBLE US mirrors.

I've had problems with VS Code from the MS repository. When I finally get 
it installed I lock the package so updates don't time out on that one.

With Endeavouur the LA mirror always ranked at the top of the list using 
the tool, never worked well in practice. I'd manually remove it from the 
list.

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#87974

On 6/14/26 14:20, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 10:33:51 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> rbowman wrote:
>>>>> I finally got an iso downloaded and installed. From my experience
>>>> the MX mirrors are crap. I finally found one that sowed the download
>>>> in less than an hour instead of hours if not days.
>>>
>>>     Agree about the slow mirrors. It's not you, it's them.
>> I picked a UK one and it was able to saturate my connection, 3 GB in
>> just under 6 minutes
> 
> You're lucky, I don't have the fastest connection but the US mirrors were
> ridiculous. r/MXLinux isn't very active but I did see a post where someone
> wondered why a mirror halfway around the world was better than the US
> ones.

   Try the mirror for "Tribblix/Solaris" - makes
   the MX mirrors look FAST !  :-)

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#87969

On 6/14/26 05:33, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
> c186282 wrote:
> 
>> rbowman wrote:
>> >> I finally got an iso downloaded and installed. From my experience
>>> the MX mirrors are crap. I finally found one that sowed the
>>> download in less than an hour instead of hours if not days.
>>
>>    Agree about the slow mirrors. It's not you, it's them.
> I picked a UK one and it was able to saturate my connection, 3 GB in 
> just under 6 minutes

   Wow !!!

   Not the same experience in most of the USA - and I've
   tried different mirrors.

   Attempting to download a Solaris deriv called "Tribblix"
   right now. Makes the MX mirrors look super speedy  :-)

   Anyway, MX, try it out. I can't see how you would be
   disappointed - they really did polish-up a jewel.

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#87981

c186282 wrote:

>    Anyway, MX, try it out. I can't see how you would be

I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma 
spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works 
and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a 
less powerful media PC ...

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#87983

On 6/15/26 02:21, Andy Burns wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    Anyway, MX, try it out. I can't see how you would be
> 
> I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma 

   Uuuugh ! TRIED it. NOT all that happy. Ultimately
   DUMPED it.

   Others love it more fanatically, so I'm not gonna
   pretend to be the True Prophet. Still, now, you're
   better off with Deb spins and a more simple desktop.
   Just MY experiences.

   I test MANY distros - some in VMs, some bare metal
   Just Too See. Had horrible issues with the latest
   Fedora and UPDATES. GUI or CLI ... they'd all HANG
   about a third of the way through. Some - indeed
   online bug reports - say the same. Some say they
   have few/no probs. Puzzling. Can usually update ONCE,
   then the issues kick in. Fedora USED to be one of those
   "Just Works" distros.

   Deb derivs USUALLY "Just Work".

> spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works 
> and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a 
> less powerful media PC ...

   "MX" ... it's a gem of a "middle distro" with some
   extra perks thrown in. It's now my go-to for any box.
   Add to it, subtract from it - you can get What You Need
   with minimal trouble. Even more all-compatible than Mint.

   Have several of those "mini-boxes" - BeeLink/BMax - more
   than fast enough for Linux. Always have at least one
   dedicated to nothing - meaning I can test various
   distros bare-metal if they seem worth it.

   Hmm, found a SPARE mini-box in a cardboard box the
   other day. NOT sure why it's there. Yet another one
   I can use for bare-metal testing if I want. "N-90" ?
   Not "speedy", but again Fast Enough for Linux. Even
   Pi-4/5s are often "Fast Enough" depending.

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#87993

c186282 wrote:

>    I test MANY distros - some in VMs, some bare metal
>    Just Too See. 

I tend to stick with what I know (redhat/fedora/centos/alma)

>    Had horrible issues with the latest
>    Fedora and UPDATES. 


I managed to b0rk my fedora during the upgrade to fc41, think I ended-up 
with rawhide repos enabled after the upgrade so have a real mish-mash of 
versions, never managed to get a clean upgrade after that, henc I think 
it's time to nuke and start again ...

>    GUI or CLI ... they'd all HANG
>    about a third of the way through. Some - indeed
>    online bug reports - say the same. Some say they
>    have few/no probs. Puzzling. Can usually update ONCE,
>    then the issues kick in. Fedora USED to be one of those
>    "Just Works" distros.

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#87984

On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 07:21:27 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    Anyway, MX, try it out. I can't see how you would be
> 
> I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma
> spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works
> and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a
> less powerful media PC ...

My Fedora and Leap 16 boxes are KDE and the EndeavourOS install was KDE. I 
was surprised by MX's Xfce. It looks a lot better than what was on my 
Debian Bullseye work box and what I tried with Linux Mint.  It almost 
looks like KDE :)

Not a factor for me but KDE needs systemd. The MX VM is SysVinit/X11.

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#88000

On 6/15/26 02:52, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 07:21:27 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     Anyway, MX, try it out. I can't see how you would be
>>
>> I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma
>> spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works
>> and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a
>> less powerful media PC ...
> 
> My Fedora and Leap 16 boxes are KDE and the EndeavourOS install was KDE. I
> was surprised by MX's Xfce. It looks a lot better than what was on my
> Debian Bullseye work box and what I tried with Linux Mint.  It almost
> looks like KDE :)
> 
> Not a factor for me but KDE needs systemd. The MX VM is SysVinit/X11.

   Incorrect. It offers two installs - SysV and systemd. SEEMS
   to install according to the one you pick.

   If NOT ... install 'grub-customizer'. The systemd start-up
   is on the secondary, options?, menu and the app will let
   you choose that as the default.

   So, you can get a clean run with whichever you want.

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#88008

On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 03:37:09 -0400, c186282 wrote:


>    Incorrect. It offers two installs - SysV and systemd. SEEMS to
>    install according to the one you pick.

You are correct. I was thinking of the Plasma Login Manager.

https://hackaday.com/2026/02/02/kde-binds-itself-tightly-to-systemd-drops-
support-for-non-systemd-systems/

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#88019

On 6/16/26 13:00, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 03:37:09 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
> 
>>     Incorrect. It offers two installs - SysV and systemd. SEEMS to
>>     install according to the one you pick.
> 
> You are correct. I was thinking of the Plasma Login Manager.
> 
> https://hackaday.com/2026/02/02/kde-binds-itself-tightly-to-systemd-drops-
> support-for-non-systemd-systems/

   Installed a new MX on two boxes lately - DO remember
   the options. If you want SysV then you can install/run
   SysV, if you want systemd then the same. If you want to
   CHANGE in the middle, use "grub-customizer" to pick off
   the menus. My little NAS box was, alas, installed as
   SysV when I really wanted systemd - didn't look closely
   enough. "Grub-customizer" fixed that without the need
   for a full re-install.

   MOST distros I've come across lately are either one
   or the other. Want/need something else - suck it.

   Did finally get "Tribblix" and "OpenIndiana" installed
   in VBox today. Suppose there's OK for a certain crowd
   but there are also lots of little probs (even with
   like terminal windows). The OpenIndiana/Solaris model
   uses "pkg" to find software, but the whole model is
   kind of anti-"install" ... you're supposed to download
   gzips, expand, compile .....

   Tribblix ... slightly more sensible package system
   using "zap". It CAN fully install. However half the
   software is in "overlay" files - and if you pick one
   of them it installs EVERYTHING in them whether you
   want it or not. Note not a HUGE selection of
   software either.

   All kinda CRUDE. Some of the BSDs are more "with it"
   these days.

   The underlying Solaris system IS solid, good for
   servers and such, but .....

   Squished both into a VDI and put them off into
   long-term storage. Shouldn't be in a BIG hurry
   to destroy working stuff.

   Anyway, tomorrow, "Endeavour".

   SO much out there - gotta keep checking around.
   Every so often somebody DOES have the Better Idea.

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#87991

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma 
>spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works 
>and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a 
>less powerful media PC ...

Try a new desktop always with a new account. Otherwise, you risk
modifying your "daily driver desktop" in a way you maybe don't like.

Greetings
Marc
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#87958

W dniu 14.06.2026 o 06:10, c186282 pisze:
>    And, Blessed Be Synaptic ! Your one-stop intuitive and
>    useful util for everything the distro has.

I recall that I use Synaptic only at the beginning my Linux experience. 
It was before 2010. Since I return to Linux in dec. 2017, I use only 
apt. It is very easy and very intuitive for me.

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#87963

On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:50:49 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

> W dniu 14.06.2026 o 06:10, c186282 pisze:
>>    And, Blessed Be Synaptic ! Your one-stop intuitive and useful util
>>    for everything the distro has.
> 
> I recall that I use Synaptic only at the beginning my Linux experience.
> It was before 2010. Since I return to Linux in dec. 2017, I use only
> apt. It is very easy and very intuitive for me.

I seldom use anything but the CLI for installs and updates. apt, dnf, and 
zypper are pretty much the same. pacman was the odd one with -Syu.

At some point I did install Synaptic on the Ubuntu box. If I do want a GUI 
it's better than the Ubuntu utility.

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#87973

On 6/14/26 14:16, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:50:49 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
> 
>> W dniu 14.06.2026 o 06:10, c186282 pisze:
>>>     And, Blessed Be Synaptic ! Your one-stop intuitive and useful util
>>>     for everything the distro has.
>>
>> I recall that I use Synaptic only at the beginning my Linux experience.
>> It was before 2010. Since I return to Linux in dec. 2017, I use only
>> apt. It is very easy and very intuitive for me.
> 
> I seldom use anything but the CLI for installs and updates. apt, dnf, and
> zypper are pretty much the same. pacman was the odd one with -Syu.
> 
> At some point I did install Synaptic on the Ubuntu box. If I do want a GUI
> it's better than the Ubuntu utility.

   If you're only using the CLI utils then you're MISSING
   like 90% of what's in yer distro.

   A good distro is like a hardware store ... you don't
   know what you "really need" until you go there and
   see what's on all the shelves  :-)

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#87985

On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 23:04:48 -0400, c186282 wrote:


>    If you're only using the CLI utils then you're MISSING like 90% of
>    what's in yer distro.
> 
>    A good distro is like a hardware store ... you don't know what you
>    "really need" until you go there and see what's on all the shelves

I know what I need for what I do. What I install is basically the same 
across disros, including Windows 11. I sometimes have that problem with 
hardware stores but even there I'm usually looking for something for a 
project that isn't always what it was designed for.

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#87970

On 6/14/26 05:50, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
> W dniu 14.06.2026 o 06:10, c186282 pisze:
>>    And, Blessed Be Synaptic ! Your one-stop intuitive and
>>    useful util for everything the distro has.
> 
> I recall that I use Synaptic only at the beginning my Linux experience. 
> It was before 2010. Since I return to Linux in dec. 2017, I use only 
> apt. It is very easy and very intuitive for me.

   Synaptic will put all the info about the what and why
   of every package right up front where you can see it.
   Apt, apt-get, they WORK of course ... but they're most
   useful if you already know exactly what you want.

   Try Synaptic again. See what I mean.

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