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  Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 07:54 +0200
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:12 -0400
        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 09:03 +0200
          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:25 -0400
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:22 +0000
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:14 -0400
        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:45 +0200
          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:21 -0400
            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 04:20 +0000
            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-14 14:27 +0200
              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:51 -0400
                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 03:15 +0000
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:46 -0400
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:16 +0000
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-15 17:02 +0000
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 19:05 +0000
                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 20:41 +0100
                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 22:21 +0000
                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 02:00 +0100
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 02:55 +0000
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:54 +0100
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:00 +0000
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:55 +0100
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:07 -0400
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:51 +0000
                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:34 +0200
                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:55 +0100
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:14 +0200
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 +0100
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:15 +0000
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 20:22 +0200
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
                                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 16:47 +0000
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:11 -0400
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:29 +0000
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:09 -0400
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:19 +0000
                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:09 +0000
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:23 -0400
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:20 +0000
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 21:47 -0400
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:13 +0000
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 01:15 +0000
        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:32 +0000
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:38 +0200
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:27 +0000
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:22 -0400
        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-06-12 09:53 +0200
          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:34 +0000
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:54 +0200
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:37 -0400
        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:42 +0000
          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 04:18 -0400
            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 20:21 +0000
              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 23:09 -0400
                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 06:22 +0000
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 03:57 -0400
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:38 +0000
                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:11 +0000
                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-14 07:01 +0000
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 04:14 -0400
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-14 10:56 +0200
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:40 +0000
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-12 13:26 +0000
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-06-17 15:43 +0800

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#88033

On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:23:11 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    His 'welfare' will stop soon. NO good plan for all the obsoleted
>    humans. Actually, it looks pretty BAD for billions. No
>    'cyber-paradise', more like directions to the nearest Soylent Green
>    factory ........

It's harsh but a sizable tranche of the population has nothing to offer in 
the 21st century. There used to be jobs a person could take pride in but 
they're going fast. Some of the jobs sucked but there was the satisfaction 
of doing them well. Sort of the John Henry meme where he was faster than 
the steam drill. 

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#88040

On 2026-06-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> On 6/16/26 14:09, rbowman wrote:
> 
>> The US has embraced farm automation. Uncle Remus ain't out in the field
>> picking cotton anymore; he's collecting welfare and having mostly peaceful
>> gatherings.
>
>    His 'welfare' will stop soon. NO good plan for
>    all the obsoleted humans. Actually, it looks
>    pretty BAD for billions. No 'cyber-paradise',
>    more like directions to the nearest Soylent Green
>    factory ........

In today's paper is a picture of a poster at a bus stop that says:

    Isn't it brilliant that one man gets to be a
    trillionaire instead of everyone having food?

Being in the business section, the photo accompanies an article
talking about what a hero Elon Musk is.

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#88014

On 6/16/26 06:34, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-06-15 21:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote:
>>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap?
>>
>> Because automation is cheaper?
>>
> 
> Picking cherry tomatoes in Spain is paid 80€/day. Morocco, 8€/day. The 
> only solution for Spain is to automate to compete. Ditch labour.


   It is coming. However robots that can quickly, delicately,
   pick strawberries and similar just barely exist. They would
   also be a HUGE up-front investment at this point - and could
   be seriously obsolete long before the loans are paid off.

   'AI' alone won't do it - it's also the rest of the bot.
   I've seen vids of some contenders ... but they're bulky
   and SLOW compared to near-slave humans. Also have a prob
   reliably detecting the perfectly ripe ones, or rotten ones.

   So, quick eval, NOT WORTH THE INVESTMENT at this time.
   Just put up with the humans.  T

   Ten years of improvements, then maybe.

   Strawberries, cherries, olives, even lettuce, these are
   sort of "luxury" foods. So, you pay the luxury price
   until it finally becomes too high.

   High-density grain-based stuff, meats, those are what
   will keep people alive and kicking. Work on better
   automation for wheat/corn/barley/oat fields first.
   There are huge kinda all-purpose harvesting machines
   for such fields already, but they're very complicated
   and could surely be given more smarts and mechanical
   refinement. "Cheap" "smart" AND "functional" is the goal.

   Now, WHAT to do with all the obsoleted humans ? Nobody
   EVER wants to answer that question. I see vast fields
   of grey Soviet-style housing blocks, long ration lines,
   and then the rations get smaller and smaller. THAT makes
   the 'economic logic' whether you're a 'capitalist' OR
   'socialist' or anything else. The ultimate conclusion
   will be that we don't NEED 8 billion people, so .....

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#88021

On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 21:47:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:


>    It is coming. However robots that can quickly, delicately, pick
>    strawberries and similar just barely exist. They would also be a HUGE
>    up-front investment at this point - and could be seriously obsolete
>    long before the loans are paid off.

Strawberries are a challenge.

https://orchard-rite.com/tree-shakers

Yuo can find youtube videos of them in action. like Roma tomatoes 
cultivars that can be shaken out of the tree without damage are a parallel 
development.

>    High-density grain-based stuff, meats, those are what will keep
>    people alive and kicking. Work on better automation for
>    wheat/corn/barley/oat fields first.
>    There are huge kinda all-purpose harvesting machines for such fields
>    already, but they're very complicated and could surely be given more
>    smarts and mechanical refinement. "Cheap" "smart" AND "functional" is
>    the goal.

Getting there.

https://www.kubota.com/innovation/our-stories/autonomous-combine-
harvester.html

Sounds good to me. I never operated a combine but I've put in a few miles 
dragging a harrow around. Stare at mountain 5 miles away. Get to the end 
of the field, turn around, stare at another mountain 7 miles away. Rinse 
and repeat all day. I turned too sharp on one pass and pinched the tire. 
The wouldn't have been bad but it was filled with a calcium chloride 
solution for weight. Every rotation on the way back to the barn I got 
another chloride shower. Great fun.

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#88037

On 17/06/2026 02:47, c186282 wrote:
> Now, WHAT to do with all the obsoleted humans ? Nobody
>    EVER wants to answer that question. I see vast fields
>    of grey Soviet-style housing blocks, long ration lines,
>    and then the rations get smaller and smaller. THAT makes
>    the 'economic logic' whether you're a 'capitalist' OR
>    'socialist' or anything else. The ultimate conclusion
>    will be that we don't NEED 8 billion people, so .....

...start a war with Ukraine!

-- 
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
...than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

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#88041

On 2026-06-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    Strawberries, cherries, olives, even lettuce, these are
>    sort of "luxury" foods. So, you pay the luxury price
>    until it finally becomes too high.

My wife just got back from a shopping trip.  One store was
charging over $5 for a head of lettuce - while the others
were selling it for 79 cents.

One trick used by grocery chains is to charge more for the
same products in the poor part of town, since the people
there likely don't have cars or much access to transit.
It's not exactly a free market.

And then there's "dynamic pricing", where different people are
charged different prices, presumably based on the dossier that
the grocers have built on them.  Makes you want to pay cash -
at least until facial recognition comes in...

>    Now, WHAT to do with all the obsoleted humans ? Nobody
>    EVER wants to answer that question. I see vast fields
>    of grey Soviet-style housing blocks, long ration lines,
>    and then the rations get smaller and smaller. THAT makes
>    the 'economic logic' whether you're a 'capitalist' OR
>    'socialist' or anything else.

The provincial government here has overridden the planning
departments of numerous local cities in order to ram through
re-zoning for higher density.  We're seeing great amounts of
cookie-cutter housing being built, plus increasing numbers
of high-rise towers - none of which is affordable.

>                                  The ultimate conclusion
>    will be that we don't NEED 8 billion people, so .....

Here we're obsessed with population growth, and have built
an entire economic model around it.  The only thing that
will make the leaders question whether we need 8 billion
people is the coming Malthusian crash.  But even then,
they're going to be OK, so why should they care?  More
taxpayers, more consumers to sell to... what's not to like?

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#88043

On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 19:35:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> One trick used by grocery chains is to charge more for the same products
> in the poor part of town, since the people there likely don't have cars
> or much access to transit.
> It's not exactly a free market.

I the '80s there was a coffee shortage, a failed harvest or something. I 
don't remember the details but I was working in Ft. Wayne and the price of 
coffee in the supermarkets doubled and there wasn't much of a selection on 
the shelves.

Oe weekend I want down to Indianapolis and found there was no coffee 
shortage. Needless to say I stocked up.

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#87913

On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 03:14:57 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Installed "yast" from "Discovery" - didn't even have its real name.
>    Whether you evoke "yast" or "yast2" on the CL you get the SAME
>    curses-based interface. The old GUI version ... does it still exist
>    ???

Officially? No. According to Carlos if you upgraded from Leap 15.x the 
support libraries are still in place and the GUI works. I believe it is 
still available in Tumbleweed, which is upstream of SLE. 

Leap 16 is sort of like the old CentOS that was downstream of RHEL. 
Companies would have a couple of RHEL licenses but most people would use 
the free CentOS for compatibility. People were pissed when Stream moved 
upstream of RHEL and downstream of Fedora and created Rocky.

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#87892

On 2026-06-12 08:22, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 01:49:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
> 


>> OpenSUSE used to be kinda 'Cadillac'. Used it for a LONG time - desktops
>> and servers. Now it seems to intentionally work against your desires -
>> as shriveled as a 99 year olds testicles.
> 
> Leap 16 is now downstream of SLE with some additional community packages.

Leap 15 too. All of Leap is that way, in fact.


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#87880

On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 01:49:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> IMHO, if you want RPMs, Fedora. Had serious update probs with the latest
> one though - even NOT in a virtual machine. They know, they can't seem
> to get it fixed properly, hangs about a third of the way through.

You seem to have all sorts of problems. I haven't had a problem with 
Fedora. I usually grab the beta when it's available and that hasn't been a 
problem though I might get more updates than waiting for the release. 


I updated to Ubuntu 26.04 today. It took several hours but everything I 
tried so far seems to work as before except the Python venvs since it went 
to 3.14. I did have a problem with Playwright since it doesn't support 
26.04 yet. There's a funky workaround that sort of works.

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#87887

On 6/12/26 02:27, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 01:49:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>> IMHO, if you want RPMs, Fedora. Had serious update probs with the latest
>> one though - even NOT in a virtual machine. They know, they can't seem
>> to get it fixed properly, hangs about a third of the way through.
> 
> You seem to have all sorts of problems. I haven't had a problem with
> Fedora. I usually grab the beta when it's available and that hasn't been a
> problem though I might get more updates than waiting for the release.

   I *do* seem to be having lots of problems with
   the latest distros. Try a few as VMs, but with
   Fedora it was a bare-metal install on an Intel
   based box - TWO actually.

> I updated to Ubuntu 26.04 today. It took several hours but everything I
> tried so far seems to work as before except the Python venvs since it went
> to 3.14. I did have a problem with Playwright since it doesn't support
> 26.04 yet. There's a funky workaround that sort of works.

   Ubuntu got too weird for my tastes some years ago.
   Too many pointless diffs from Deb, too many "buy
   our cloud/whatever shit" pushes.

   Pure Deb is still "ok" and MX is even better.
   A gazillion other Deb derivs out there too,
   pick yer poison.

   Removed a good Deb13 VM so I could play with SUSE.
   It was good enough though that I made an "appliance"
   out of it ... a VDI and OVA to suit whatever ...
   before zapping it from my VBox.

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#87889

W dniu 12.06.2026 o 09:22, c186282 pisze:

>   Ubuntu got too weird for my tastes some years ago.
>   [...], too many "buy
>   our cloud/whatever shit" pushes. 

I never seen that on my Kubuntu 20.04.

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#87914

On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 09:53:18 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

> W dniu 12.06.2026 o 09:22, c186282 pisze:
> 
>>   Ubuntu got too weird for my tastes some years ago.
>>   [...], too many "buy our cloud/whatever shit" pushes.
> 
> I never seen that on my Kubuntu 20.04.

I've never seen it with Ubuntu. There is the 'pro' thing that is free to 
individual users. When I upgraded to 26.04 yesterday I skipped that 
screen.

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#87894

On 2026-06-12 07:49, c186282 wrote:
> OK ... OpenSUSE has become just kinda TERRIBLE ... it's
> like stepping 25 years back.
> 
> The installer won't let you change the disks - BTRFS or
> nothing.

Not true. I installed it on ext4.

It is more difficult than before, it has changed, but it is there.

> The desktops offered are KDS (nasty), GNOME
> (worse) or an XCFC that will only use Wayland and will

Not true. There are two versions of XFCE, one experimental for wayland, 
and another for X, the traditional.

> not start properly in VirtualBox (unless you pick an
> 'invalid' option = 800x600)

Works fine in vmware.

> 
> AFTER install, theoretically Cinemmon and IceWM are
> to be had ... but IF you install them then even the
> cheat boot won't work. (if starting from XFCE)

I don't know what "cheat boot" is.

> 
> Other software and devel stuff - a VERY short list.

Not true. Search using "opi".

> 
> WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED ???
> 
> What an EMBARRASSMENT !
> 
> Is the "team" down to one old guy with a
> "Fallen And Can't Get Up" tag around
> his neck ? Shows how much a distro CAN
> rot away.
> 
> Yea, tried the offline AND online installers.

You did not try the upgrade.

> 
> Hell, even had to install YAST2 using Zypper.
> NO software center at all in XFCE. The one
> in KDE, "Discovery", only shows maybe ten
> percent of the actual software to be had ...
> gotta use YAST.

YaST is deprecated. NOT maintained. Abandoned.

The graphical installer is now "myrlyn" and has almost everything yast 
software package manager had, but different.


Oh, and Yast in graphical mode also works, without icons.

...

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#87916

Forget it. Squished it into an OVA and sent it
to the dark dimensions of my NAS. Then DELETED
the VM.

My appraisal - DON'T BOTHER.

OpenSUSE used to be SO good, SO complete, SO helpful.

Now ........

And frankly don't entirely trust the RPM universe
since RH sold out to IBM. If IBM wants me to be
a beta-tester it can PAY me.

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#87924

On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 23:37:58 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> And frankly don't entirely trust the RPM universe since RH sold out to
> IBM. If IBM wants me to be a beta-tester it can PAY me.

Your options are quite limited. I was going to put up MX in a VM. It may 
be me but the estimate was 2 or 3 hours to download the 2.8 GB Xfce iso. I 
canceled the download and may try again some time. I'm not a fan of 
anything that goes through SourceForge for downloads.

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#87929

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On 6/13/26 02:42, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 23:37:58 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>> And frankly don't entirely trust the RPM universe since RH sold out to
>> IBM. If IBM wants me to be a beta-tester it can PAY me.
> 
> Your options are quite limited. I was going to put up MX in a VM. It may
> be me but the estimate was 2 or 3 hours to download the 2.8 GB Xfce iso. I
> canceled the download and may try again some time. I'm not a fan of
> anything that goes through SourceForge for downloads.

   MX is Very Good. Have it on several boxes and
   have for years.

   DO give it a shot. Great "middle" distro with
   some very useful add-on utils. Everything seems
   to Just Work as expected/needed. No BS.

   The XFCE version is probably "best" overall, but
   as I remember you're a KDE fanatic.

   Red Hat used to be good ... but after selling out
   to IBM, it and all the downstream versions became
   basically "beta testing" versions for IBM.

   As said, they can PAY ME to be a beta tester.

   Don't hate RH or IBM - indeed own some stock - but
   NOT gonna be their beta tester.

   Of course plenty of OTHER distros out there beyond MX,
   Linux and BSD. IF you have the bandwidth then try 'em
   and see what fits YOUR wants and needs. I'm not some
   religious crusader here ... whatever suits YOU.

   FLUSHED the disappointing OpenSUSE ... updated and
   made an OVA and removed it from my VMs. Will use the
   space to try other stuff. It'll remain on my most
   obscure NAS drive for awhile, until I want the space
   for something else. SO disappointed ! Remembered
   MUCH better !

   Hmm, ever tried GenToo ? I never did. Might be worth
   a look .......

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#87942

On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 04:18:40 -0400, c186282 wrote:


>    The XFCE version is probably "best" overall, but as I remember you're
>    a KDE fanatic.

I've got KDE on the Fedora and Leap boxes. Don't need another KDE to 
confuse me. I had Debian/Xfce on my Linux box at work. Certainly usable 
and the trailing edge is a good place to be with a production machine. The 
real driver was I needed a 32 bit distro. 

>    Red Hat used to be good ... but after selling out to IBM, it and all
>    the downstream versions became basically "beta testing" versions for
>    IBM.

When I switched from Red Hat Linux to SuSE in 2002, RHL was sort of beta. 
Q.v. gcc 2.96.

https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html

They had to follow up with another version since it wouldn't compile the 
kernel. The RHL Python brew also broke existing scripts. There were 
probably other problems I didn't run into. It only took a couple of 
decades before I would look at Fedora.

>    Of course plenty of OTHER distros out there beyond MX,
>    Linux and BSD. IF you have the bandwidth then try 'em and see what
>    fits YOUR wants and needs. I'm not some religious crusader here ...
>    whatever suits YOU.

Truth is for what I do Leap, Fedora, Ubuntu, and Mint/Cinnamon all work 
equally well. antiX with IceWM might not but that's sort of an experiment 
with the eeePC. That isn't and never was something you'd want to do a lot 
of work on.

I do keep an eye out for a distro when I get ambitious enough to redo the 
Ubuntu box. 26.04 is the end of the line for it. Even 26.10 supposedly 
will be filled with AI goodness.

>    Hmm, ever tried GenToo ? I never did. Might be worth a look .......

Nope. I don't distro hop as much as put different distros on different 
machines for variety. I've got other fish to fry than nursing Gentoo or 
one of the BSDs along. 

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#87945

On 6/13/26 16:21, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 04:18:40 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
> 
>>     The XFCE version is probably "best" overall, but as I remember you're
>>     a KDE fanatic.
> 
> I've got KDE on the Fedora and Leap boxes. Don't need another KDE to
> confuse me. I had Debian/Xfce on my Linux box at work. Certainly usable
> and the trailing edge is a good place to be with a production machine. The
> real driver was I needed a 32 bit distro.
> 
>>     Red Hat used to be good ... but after selling out to IBM, it and all
>>     the downstream versions became basically "beta testing" versions for
>>     IBM.
> 
> When I switched from Red Hat Linux to SuSE in 2002, RHL was sort of beta.
> Q.v. gcc 2.96.
> 
> https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html
> 
> They had to follow up with another version since it wouldn't compile the
> kernel. The RHL Python brew also broke existing scripts. There were
> probably other problems I didn't run into. It only took a couple of
> decades before I would look at Fedora.
> 
>>     Of course plenty of OTHER distros out there beyond MX,
>>     Linux and BSD. IF you have the bandwidth then try 'em and see what
>>     fits YOUR wants and needs. I'm not some religious crusader here ...
>>     whatever suits YOU.
> 
> Truth is for what I do Leap, Fedora, Ubuntu, and Mint/Cinnamon all work
> equally well. antiX with IceWM might not but that's sort of an experiment
> with the eeePC. That isn't and never was something you'd want to do a lot
> of work on.
> 
> I do keep an eye out for a distro when I get ambitious enough to redo the
> Ubuntu box. 26.04 is the end of the line for it. Even 26.10 supposedly
> will be filled with AI goodness.
> 
>>     Hmm, ever tried GenToo ? I never did. Might be worth a look .......
> 
> Nope. I don't distro hop as much as put different distros on different
> machines for variety. I've got other fish to fry than nursing Gentoo or
> one of the BSDs along.


   Distro-hopping ... means throwing away more work
   that I'd like.

   Distro TESTING however ... that's something VBox is
   good for.

   After some fooling around for years, MX is now my
   go-to. Middle-of-the-road, you can easily add to
   it or subtract from it. Good utilities selection,
   seems to run on anything even more reliably than Mint.
   Guess there's a reason it's been hovering near or at
   the top of the DistroWatch list for years on end.

   Did have a Manjaro box for awhile. A speck too weird
   but, with a few tweaks, it worked OK. Until, after
   about a year, the whole updates thing exploded to
   hell and NONE of the suggested fixes helped. Had
   to flush it. The box is now ... you guessed it.

   Now for a "small" Linux - ANTIX - but DO have to
   replace all those utterly dismal and depressing
   Greek commie backgrounds with something more
   cheerful  :-)

   Still interested in trying GenToo ... never have.
   Some describe it as "Linux-ish" though technically
   it's a Linux.

   BSDs ... have had best experiences with Dragonfly and
   Ghost. Free/Net/Open ... great for servers but not the
   best 'desktop' experience.

   Not REALLY what they're meant for however. Did run one
   my office servers on Free for about a year - solid
   and secure if not exactly 'cutting edge'. BSDs are
   always behind when it comes to drivers. Still, now,
   I'd pick Free over the Gnome-infested CENTOS.

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#87950

On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 23:09:35 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Distro TESTING however ... that's something VBox is good for.

kvm/QEMU for me. I know you had problems with it but I haven't. 

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