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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200 |
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Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 08:46 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 09:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:35 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 16:17 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 00:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-27 00:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-28 10:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:41 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:04 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:42 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 15:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 21:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 11:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 17:24 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:37 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 22:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 23:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-31 21:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:15 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 18:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-02 01:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 03:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:26 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 17:25 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 20:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:30 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:24 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:04 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:15 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:19 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:34 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-04 08:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 17:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 14:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:07 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 17:17 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 00:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-07 19:54 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:18 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:26 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-06 03:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 20:03 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:59 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 23:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 03:05 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:52 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 23:19 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 10:50 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:45 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 19:29 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:19 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:02 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 03:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-11 03:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:03 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:09 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:08 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 19:00 +0000
Public toilets (Re: Redundancy/Survival) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-10 06:02 -0700
Re: Public toilets (Re: Redundancy/Survival) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-10 19:55 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 00:13 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:10 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 02:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 20:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:11 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 01:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 02:58 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 11:11 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:32 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:33 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:57 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-09 21:58 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-10 19:39 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 02:59 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-29 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 05:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 03:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 07:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-01 04:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 19:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 10:49 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 18:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 13:05 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:13 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-03 18:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-02 17:44 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 17:54 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 21:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:41 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 01:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:53 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 10:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 12:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 11:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:56 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:40 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-07 20:37 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 00:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:23 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:45 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 03:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:45 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:16 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:14 +0200
[OT] DVB-T offerings (was: Re: Redundancy/Survival) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 09:29 +0100
[OT] DVB nomenclature (was: Re: Redundancy/Survival) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:40 +0100
Re: [OT] DVB nomenclature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 18:56 +0200
Re: [OT] DVB nomenclature Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-10 18:36 +0100
Re: [OT] DVB nomenclature (was: Re: Redundancy/Survival) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 20:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:30 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-09 15:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 22:22 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 04:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:13 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:28 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 03:42 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 01:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 16:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:42 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-09 16:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-09 04:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 15:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 02:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 19:18 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 21:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 12:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-05 11:55 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 22:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 12:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-07 20:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 00:44 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-07 23:06 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 04:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:43 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:08 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:29 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 22:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:34 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 00:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:52 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:43 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:51 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:56 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 01:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:03 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 21:49 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:02 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:31 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:31 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-30 09:09 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:17 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-31 07:33 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:28 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:58 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-09 21:56 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 20:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 14:02 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 08:54 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 05:04 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:54 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-28 09:15 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:29 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-29 02:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 14:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 04:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 23:41 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 17:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 22:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 04:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:32 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 00:27 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:13 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:12 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:08 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:33 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:45 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:39 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:21 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 22:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 09:05 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 08:19 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:20 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 20:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-28 21:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:30 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:29 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:18 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-02 17:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 15:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:03 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:22 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:39 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:48 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 01:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:00 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Worst Case" <fritz@spamexpire-202605.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 12:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <N_WdnRifmcaBPrz3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87501 |
On 6/4/26 11:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 04/06/2026 15:57, c186282 wrote: >> On 6/4/26 05:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> When you cab lay a 40knm fiber using a drone its not hard to get a >>> basic comms net up. >>> Other methods using RF in non conflict areas include starlink type >>> satellites, in LEO, or any form of 'high point' RF hotspot using e.g. >>> balloons, loitering aircraft or drones, or simply high terrain. >>> >>> Given advances in battery, drone and fibre technology, it would be >>> far quicker and simpler to run a fibre controlled drone equipped with >>> 3G etc into a disaster zone than lay in new copper >> >> >> Note those fiber-guided weapons, that fiber is hair-thin, >> not intended to be any kind of permanent comm link. >> > You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. standard monoode > fibre IS hair thin > > "The light-carrying glass core of a single-mode (monomode) fiber is > incredibly thin, measuring only about 8 to 10 micrometers ( > ) in diameter. > > For comparison, a typical human hair is about 100 micrometers wide, > making the core of a single-mode fiber roughly 10 times thinner than a > single strand of hair. " The FIBER itself may be very thin, but the stuff you run for permanent installations is heavily clad in tough plastic. For the mil apps, it's uncoated ... has to be ultra light to drag 40-50km behind a drone. Also, well, a ONE WAY TRIP is the goal ..... >> Interesting though how the mil went from wire-guided, to >> RF/Laser, and now back to a version of "wire". >> > Military intelligence is an oxymoron. Especially American It - American or not - DOES often miss the mark. >> In any case, copper or fiber are still *physical* media >> and that generally means stringing it up on poles where >> nature can attack. > > No. It means burying it in a trench where Nature cannot get at it. Sheesh. > Not every country is as technologically stone age as the USA Sheesh ... have you looked into all the PROPERTY RIGHTS and RIGHT-OF-WAY rules in the USA ? You can't just start digging a trench, you'd upset somebody's lawyers and/or destroy something expensive already down there yet poorly documented. >> The sheer mass of copper often meant >> it was less likely to "flap in the breeze" compared to >> a skinny fiber. The entire south and east coast of the >> USA get big HURRICANES ... so 'flapping' is relevant. >> > Christ on a bike, Is there no end to your ignorance? > NOTHING goes overhead without a steel support core. NOW, typically. Not THAT long ago, it was just a PVC clad wire. Expect LOTS of 'legacy' installs. As for the USA ... Yippie-Kai-Yay ... we LIKE it that way :-)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 11:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10vu8ob$12g61$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87503 |
On 04/06/2026 17:08, c186282 wrote: >> >> No. It means burying it in a trench where Nature cannot get at it. >> Sheesh. >> Not every country is as technologically stone age as the USA > > Sheesh ... have you looked into all the PROPERTY RIGHTS > and RIGHT-OF-WAY rules in the USA ? You can't just start > digging a trench, you'd upset somebody's lawyers and/or > destroy something expensive already down there yet poorly > documented. Which confirms the point -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 22:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j76dnSJgQrUeG773nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87548 |
On 6/5/26 06:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 04/06/2026 17:08, c186282 wrote: >>> >>> No. It means burying it in a trench where Nature cannot get at it. >>> Sheesh. >>> Not every country is as technologically stone age as the USA >> >> Sheesh ... have you looked into all the PROPERTY RIGHTS >> and RIGHT-OF-WAY rules in the USA ? You can't just start >> digging a trench, you'd upset somebody's lawyers and/or >> destroy something expensive already down there yet poorly >> documented. > > Which confirms the point I'd say it confirms my point about why there are still so many overhead comm wires :-) My existing landline still comes off a POLE - then a 125' run of plain 'rubber'-clad cable (1950s) without an internal steel support wire. If they brought in fiber it'd be the same 125' run, from the pole. The support wires were a GOOD idea ... but there's still a LOT of 'legacy' wiring between poles that just relies on the strength of the old plastic-clad cables. As said, going underground sure SOUNDS simple ... but now there's likely to be a lot of Other People's Stuff already down there. Copper wiring can *usually* be detected (there are companies that do this, paint orange lines all over the grass) but water and sewer and fiber won't necessarily show up. GOOD high-rez ground-penetrating radar units still don't seem cheap enough. And then all the little right-of-way/damage issues that make lawyers money ... SO ... I can *understand* why comms companies really WANT to go all wireless these days. MUCH easier. May not be as good for customers - I know all too well - but they're adding up giant piles of money.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 05:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8hqlaF1g5uU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87563 |
On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 22:31:31 -0400, c186282 wrote: > As said, going underground sure SOUNDS simple ... but now there's > likely to be a lot of Other People's Stuff already down there. Copper > wiring can *usually* be detected (there are companies that do this, > paint orange lines all over the grass) but water and sewer and fiber > won't necessarily show up. GOOD high-rez ground-penetrating radar > units still don't seem cheap enough. I worked one summer for a contractor. 'Call before you dig'. His method was to have the backhoe operator keep digging until he dug up copper and then call. The job didn't last long but I learned a lot about sleazy new house construction. The buyers saw the fireplace and hardwood floors and fell in love. They didn't notice the leach field was in a swamp and the foundation 'waterproofing' was a veneer of waterproofing heavily cut with diesel. They found out about that when they noticed the in ground swimming pool that was supposed to be the basement.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 01:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1eCcnWHfKdMxK773nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87574 |
On 6/6/26 01:48, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 22:31:31 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> As said, going underground sure SOUNDS simple ... but now there's >> likely to be a lot of Other People's Stuff already down there. Copper >> wiring can *usually* be detected (there are companies that do this, >> paint orange lines all over the grass) but water and sewer and fiber >> won't necessarily show up. GOOD high-rez ground-penetrating radar >> units still don't seem cheap enough. > > I worked one summer for a contractor. 'Call before you dig'. His method > was to have the backhoe operator keep digging until he dug up copper and > then call. The job didn't last long but I learned a lot about sleazy new > house construction. The buyers saw the fireplace and hardwood floors and > fell in love. They didn't notice the leach field was in a swamp and the > foundation 'waterproofing' was a veneer of waterproofing heavily cut with > diesel. They found out about that when they noticed the in ground swimming > pool that was supposed to be the basement. There's an org called "NoCuts" ... they send out a squad to scan the ground. Alas, as said, the clearly "electric" stuff registers but not necessarily anything else. Oh, and IF you cut somebody's fiber/pipes/etc you WILL have to pay out a LOT of money. Legal nightmare. So, 'wireless' is the modern choice - even when it sucks for the customers. Hey, just TELL 'em it's So Great ....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 19:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8jcbcFbdt7U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87578 |
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 01:56:59 -0400, c186282 wrote: > So, 'wireless' is the modern choice - even when it sucks for the > customers. Hey, just TELL 'em it's So Great .... I can't complain about Verizon's wireless. It works for me. My phone is Mint so I get ads from Mint about their 5G plans that are cheaper than Verizon. The website says it's not available where I am. It's the T- Mobile network. The phone is usually 4G although there are a few dead spots indoors. I keep looking at StarLink. Maybe I'll wait until Musk gets a million LEOs up. It was more a proof of concept than anything useful but I remember being out in the backyard waiting to see Echo 1 transit the sky. I don't think you can see any of the LEOs with the naked eye anymore. Just as well as it would probably look like a cloud of bluebottle flies orbiting a road killed deer on a hot august day.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 05:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iVidndfKs8I0obj3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87616 |
On 6/6/26 15:56, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 01:56:59 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> So, 'wireless' is the modern choice - even when it sucks for the >> customers. Hey, just TELL 'em it's So Great .... > > I can't complain about Verizon's wireless. It works for me. My phone is > Mint so I get ads from Mint about their 5G plans that are cheaper than > Verizon. The website says it's not available where I am. It's the T- > Mobile network. The phone is usually 4G although there are a few dead > spots indoors. MY 5g just SUCKS. Too far from the tower, concrete house, steel roof. NEVER gonna get more than one or two bars EVER. It's actually a tad less reliable than my old Gen-2 DSL. But ... all the OTHER providers use the SAME towers. > I keep looking at StarLink. Maybe I'll wait until Musk gets a million LEOs > up. It was more a proof of concept than anything useful but I remember > being out in the backyard waiting to see Echo 1 transit the sky. I don't > think you can see any of the LEOs with the naked eye anymore. Just as well > as it would probably look like a cloud of bluebottle flies orbiting a road > killed deer on a hot august day. StarLink has good potential as a BACKUP, Just In Case. Doesn't allow lots of bytes, but you could still do yer online banking and such. Dammit ... 5AM again. Can't stay awake in the day, can't sleep at night. Welcome to Retirement - it all just starts to blend together .......... Kinda interesting surreality actually ....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 19:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8lut9Fec78U10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87642 |
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 05:40:39 -0400, c186282 wrote: > StarLink has good potential as a BACKUP, Just In Case. > Doesn't allow lots of bytes, but you could still do yer online > banking and such. I'm going to give it a try. They claim 100 Mbps, no data cap, and no charge for the hardware for $55 / month for residential. There's a 30 day trial period too. Installation is DIY, mostly putting the receiver someplace and running an ethernet cable to the router. It's power over ethernet so no other messing around. It even has some scheme to automatically heat the receiver when it snows. I downloaded the app to the phone last night. You do a 360 degree scan of the sky to find a suitable location. I don't know if what shows up as you scan is the real satellites but if it is there are a hell of a lot of them.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 20:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n8lvjuFo9i0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87657 |
rbowman wrote: > I downloaded the app to the phone last night. You do a 360 degree scan of > the sky to find a suitable location. I don't know if what shows up as you > scan is the real satellites but if it is there are a hell of a lot of > them. <https://satellitemap.space/constellation/starlink>
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-08 00:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8mic2FqrflU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87659 |
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:37:20 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > https://satellitemap.space/constellation/starlink Thanks! That's about what it looked like on the phone app. I don't know whether I should be impressed or appalled. https://subseacables.blogspot.com/2025/07/the-low-satellite-life- expectancy-of.html That's a lot of stuff that will come down in a few years and hopefully burn up on reentry. I'd rather not think about the long term results of the celestial dumpster fire. Anyway, I'll see how it goes. The gear is supposed to arrive towards the end of the month. S&H was $20 and no charge for the electronics. When I looked a year or two ago the gear was around $300 iirc. Musk is no fool and I'm sure he isn't running a charity so I'm not going to check a gift horse's teeth.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-08 00:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <InGdndvgSotm3rv3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87657 |
On 6/7/26 15:25, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 05:40:39 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> StarLink has good potential as a BACKUP, Just In Case. >> Doesn't allow lots of bytes, but you could still do yer online >> banking and such. > > I'm going to give it a try. They claim 100 Mbps, no data cap, and no > charge for the hardware for $55 / month for residential. There's a 30 day > trial period too. Installation is DIY, mostly putting the receiver > someplace and running an ethernet cable to the router. It's power over > ethernet so no other messing around. It even has some scheme to > automatically heat the receiver when it snows. > > I downloaded the app to the phone last night. You do a 360 degree scan of > the sky to find a suitable location. I don't know if what shows up as you > scan is the real satellites but if it is there are a hell of a lot of > them. There are various StarLink plans for my area ... I think including an "unlimited" plan though they DO seem to get their money anyhow. 100mbps is pretty slow by today's GB+ standards, but it's still good enough to do the usual online biz and banking stuff in case of emergency. Need JUST enough power to fire up the box and a laptop for like 30 minutes a day. So, yea, really MAY go that way. "Security" COSTS a bit ... but can be WELL worth it when the bovine offal hits the proverbial oscillatory airfoil.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-08 14:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8o2t7FqrflU10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87679 |
On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 00:23:27 -0400, c186282 wrote: > 100mbps is pretty slow by today's GB+ standards, but it's still good > enough to do the usual online biz and banking stuff in case of > emergency. Need JUST enough power to fire up the box and a laptop for > like 30 minutes a day. Are you shitting me? https://fiber.google.com/speedtest/ shows 6.5 Mbps down. https:// www.speedtest.net/ shows 3.59 Mbps down. Neither show upload which I assume is related to the Verizon IP juggling. I watch streaming movies and TV shows, youtube videos, and so forth with no buffering, No, I don't have a houseful of kids playing HD games or streaming HD videos.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 02:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <zOCcnVRzd4jyKbr3nZ2dnZfqn_cAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87697 |
On 6/8/26 10:45, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 00:23:27 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> 100mbps is pretty slow by today's GB+ standards, but it's still good >> enough to do the usual online biz and banking stuff in case of >> emergency. Need JUST enough power to fire up the box and a laptop for >> like 30 minutes a day. > > Are you shitting me? > > https://fiber.google.com/speedtest/ shows 6.5 Mbps down. https:// > www.speedtest.net/ shows 3.59 Mbps down. Neither show upload which I > assume is related to the Verizon IP juggling. Hmmm ... my connection has very recently IMPROVED. fast.com sez 45mbps. Maybe they added a new antenna ? Might not LAST ... HAD been barely 1 to 3 mbps for a long time. > I watch streaming movies and TV shows, youtube videos, and so forth with > no buffering, No, I don't have a houseful of kids playing HD games or > streaming HD videos. For 1080 or less, a fairly slow connection WILL work. YouTube (now kinda useless) lets you pick the format but something like Pluto is always 1080. Anyway, I can usually "stream" ... but rarely do. Pref 'channel surfing' more 'traditional' TV.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 18:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8r506FbsbqU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87723 |
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 02:36:22 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Hmmm ... my connection has very recently IMPROVED. fast.com sez > 45mbps. Maybe they added a new antenna ? I did see some improvement when Verizon put up a new tower a little closer. Towers here follow population density and major highways. Fiber and cable TV is the same. > Anyway, I can usually "stream" ... but rarely do. Pref 'channel > surfing' more 'traditional' TV. Last time I scanned I think I get 5 OTA channels, some with several subbands. PBS has 4, maybe 5. One is strictly kid shows. I check it out Saturday night. Sometimes there is a Austin City Limits segment with someone I'm interested in and there is a locally produced show that features music that leans toward alt country, bluegrass, and so forth. Sometimes it's a German show with subtitles, and maybe a French one. At least it sounds like French. A couple of times PBS had nothing of interest and a quick scan would find an old movie or something I would watch. Mostly it's a wasteland.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 03:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1OKdnZ7WId3mj7T3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87750 |
On 6/9/26 14:40, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 02:36:22 -0400, c186282 wrote: > > >> Hmmm ... my connection has very recently IMPROVED. fast.com sez >> 45mbps. Maybe they added a new antenna ? > > I did see some improvement when Verizon put up a new tower a little > closer. Towers here follow population density and major highways. Fiber > and cable TV is the same. My house is an olde-tyme concrete pill-box with a metal roof. NO such thing as getting Good Signal. However, within the past week, suddenly getting kinda decent speed. For SURE they added a new antenna. Barely registered ONE bar on the router ... now two, sometimes even three. >> Anyway, I can usually "stream" ... but rarely do. Pref 'channel >> surfing' more 'traditional' TV. > > Last time I scanned I think I get 5 OTA channels, some with several > subbands. PBS has 4, maybe 5. One is strictly kid shows. I check it out > Saturday night. Sometimes there is a Austin City Limits segment with > someone I'm interested in and there is a locally produced show that > features music that leans toward alt country, bluegrass, and so forth. > Sometimes it's a German show with subtitles, and maybe a French one. At > least it sounds like French. I can get maybe 20-25 OTA channels, and DO have a little outdoor antenna for that. Update the channel registry every so often. Alas MOST of those channels are CRAP - 'home shopping' stuff, ultra-fundy religious, languages I don't know. However CAN get a few more conventional channels (usually shit 'series') but also some 'creative' channel (not bad) and, for now, even a France24 rebroadcast. Won't be totally out of it when the next Huge Storm comes. > A couple of times PBS had nothing of interest and a quick scan would find > an old movie or something I would watch. Mostly it's a wasteland. Mostly. UNTIL the Huge Storm comes. Then you're happy for most ANYTHING :-) Been there. I see on the Science sites that they now really ARE worried about the 'North Atlantic Current' - an ominous 'cold spot' has appeared just south of Greenland. IF that current shifts, well, most of Europe will get Very Nasty. (No, NOT quite like that movie ...) Plus, the northern Sahara may become a grassland again.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 19:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8tsodF104sU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87786 |
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 03:30:34 -0400, c186282 wrote: > I can get maybe 20-25 OTA channels, and DO have a little outdoor > antenna for that. Update the channel registry every so often. I get 4. There used to be a religious channel but it didn't survive the digital conversion. My high tech digital antenna is a rabbit ears I bought back in the '90s that was designed to mount on the rain channel on a truck roof. The rotator is me twisting the PVC mast. I have the PBS orientation marked in case the wind blows the antenna around.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 01:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <FBicnUgM2urm2bf3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87817 |
On 6/10/26 15:37, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 03:30:34 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> I can get maybe 20-25 OTA channels, and DO have a little outdoor >> antenna for that. Update the channel registry every so often. > > I get 4. There used to be a religious channel but it didn't survive the > digital conversion. My high tech digital antenna is a rabbit ears I bought > back in the '90s that was designed to mount on the rain channel on a truck > roof. The rotator is me twisting the PVC mast. I have the PBS orientation > marked in case the wind blows the antenna around. I spent a little extra and bought an 'eve mount' outdoor antenna and pointed it at the more busy part of the state. Have a slightly-better spare too, just in case. Worst case, well, it'd be ENOUGH so I wouldn't go nuts or suffer from info deprivation. Still not sure why France24 shows up - but it IS in my daily online news checks anyway so ........
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 06:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8v3rfF6v90U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87837 |
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 01:14:36 -0400, c186282 wrote: > I spent a little extra and bought an 'eve mount' outdoor antenna and > pointed it at the more busy part of the state. > Have a slightly-better spare too, just in case. This is the busy part of the state. The next busy part is 350 miles as the very tired crow flies. The crow has to make it over the Continental Divide too.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 02:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <S8adna7ol5iIObb3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87848 |
On 6/11/26 02:45, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 01:14:36 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> I spent a little extra and bought an 'eve mount' outdoor antenna and >> pointed it at the more busy part of the state. >> Have a slightly-better spare too, just in case. > > This is the busy part of the state. The next busy part is 350 miles as the > very tired crow flies. The crow has to make it over the Continental Divide > too. Yikes ! How did you get such a shitty selection then ? As said, I get about 25+ OTA channels, and that's mostly from a bigger town about 70 miles away - not a gigantic city either. Did you set your TV right for the search ? ALL of mine are now digital channels.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 11:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <3saqfmx9me.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87817 |
On 2026-06-10 21:37, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 03:30:34 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> I can get maybe 20-25 OTA channels, and DO have a little outdoor >> antenna for that. Update the channel registry every so often. > > I get 4. There used to be a religious channel but it didn't survive the > digital conversion. My high tech digital antenna is a rabbit ears I bought > back in the '90s that was designed to mount on the rain channel on a truck > roof. The rotator is me twisting the PVC mast. I have the PBS orientation > marked in case the wind blows the antenna around. Here we get maybe 50 channels from the same antena, all multiplexed together. Digital transmission has that advantage. On some locations we may tune two or three antenas, but all have the same channels, except perhaps some local city channels. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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