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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400 |
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Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 08:46 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 09:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:35 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 16:17 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 00:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-27 00:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-28 10:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:41 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:04 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:42 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 15:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 21:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 11:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 17:24 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:37 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 22:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 23:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-31 21:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:15 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 18:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-02 01:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 03:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:26 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 17:25 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 20:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:30 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:24 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:04 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:15 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:19 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:34 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-04 08:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 17:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 14:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:07 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 17:17 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 00:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-07 19:54 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:18 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:26 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-06 03:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 20:03 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:59 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 23:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 03:05 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:52 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 23:19 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 10:50 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:45 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 19:29 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:19 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:02 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 03:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-11 03:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:03 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:09 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:08 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-12 18:52 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 19:00 +0000
Public toilets (Re: Redundancy/Survival) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-10 06:02 -0700
Re: Public toilets (Re: Redundancy/Survival) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-10 19:55 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 00:13 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:10 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 02:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 20:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:11 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 01:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 02:58 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 11:11 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:32 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:33 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:57 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-09 21:58 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-10 19:39 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 02:59 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-29 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 05:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 03:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 07:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-01 04:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 19:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 10:49 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 18:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 13:05 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:13 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-03 18:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-02 17:44 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 17:54 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 21:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:41 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 01:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:53 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 10:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 12:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 11:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:56 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:40 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-07 20:37 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 00:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:23 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:45 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 03:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:45 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:16 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:59 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:14 +0200
[OT] DVB-T offerings (was: Re: Redundancy/Survival) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 09:29 +0100
[OT] DVB nomenclature (was: Re: Redundancy/Survival) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:40 +0100
Re: [OT] DVB nomenclature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 18:56 +0200
Re: [OT] DVB nomenclature Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-10 18:36 +0100
Re: [OT] DVB nomenclature (was: Re: Redundancy/Survival) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 20:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:30 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-09 15:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 22:22 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 04:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:13 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:28 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 03:42 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 01:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 16:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:42 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-09 16:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-09 04:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 15:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 02:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 19:18 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 21:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 12:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-05 11:55 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 22:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 12:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-07 20:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 00:44 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-07 23:06 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 04:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:43 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:08 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:29 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 22:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:34 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 00:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:52 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:43 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:51 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:56 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 01:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:03 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 21:49 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:02 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:31 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:31 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-30 09:09 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:17 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-31 07:33 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:28 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:58 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-09 21:56 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 20:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 14:02 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 08:54 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 05:04 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:54 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-28 09:15 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:29 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-29 02:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 14:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 04:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 23:41 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 17:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 22:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 04:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:32 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 00:27 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:13 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:12 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:08 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:33 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:45 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:39 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:21 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 22:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 09:05 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 08:19 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:20 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 20:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-28 21:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:30 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:29 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:18 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-02 17:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 15:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:03 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:22 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:39 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:48 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 01:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:00 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Worst Case" <fritz@spamexpire-202605.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 18:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9338pFprtfU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87878 |
On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 02:16:21 -0400, c186282 wrote: > As said, I get about 25+ OTA channels, and that's mostly > from a bigger town about 70 miles away - not a gigantic city either. > > Did you set your TV right for the search ? ALL of mine are now > digital channels. Let me explain something slowly. This is the Rocky Mountains. Mountains, comprende? There are 5 broadcast towers within 100 miles. 4 of them are on 'TV Mountain', at about 7000'. PBS is on Dean Stone at 6200'. Their signal is iffy for me since there's another 6437' mountain in the LOS. Those aren't the high points either. Other peaks range from 8000' to over 10,000'. Judging from the physical station locations in the city with the large dishes the signals come in via sat and are sent to the repeaters. I can live with 5 channels since we don't have the vibrant diversity that gets you strip-searched at Walmart.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 11:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <3saqfmx9me.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87817 |
On 2026-06-10 21:37, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 03:30:34 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> I can get maybe 20-25 OTA channels, and DO have a little outdoor >> antenna for that. Update the channel registry every so often. > > I get 4. There used to be a religious channel but it didn't survive the > digital conversion. My high tech digital antenna is a rabbit ears I bought > back in the '90s that was designed to mount on the rain channel on a truck > roof. The rotator is me twisting the PVC mast. I have the PBS orientation > marked in case the wind blows the antenna around. Here we get maybe 50 channels from the same antena, all multiplexed together. Digital transmission has that advantage. On some locations we may tune two or three antenas, but all have the same channels, except perhaps some local city channels. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 09:29 +0100 |
| Subject | [OT] DVB-T offerings (was: Re: Redundancy/Survival) |
| Message-ID | <110gg0u$218mq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87855 |
(As usual here, it's fine by me if you want to move to alt.unix.geeks.) On 2026-06-11, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-06-10 21:37, rbowman wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 03:30:34 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> I can get maybe 20-25 OTA channels, and DO have a little outdoor >>> antenna for that. Update the channel registry every so often. >> >> I get 4. There used to be a religious channel but it didn't survive the >> digital conversion. My high tech digital antenna is a rabbit ears I bought >> back in the '90s that was designed to mount on the rain channel on a truck >> roof. The rotator is me twisting the PVC mast. I have the PBS orientation >> marked in case the wind blows the antenna around. > > Here we get maybe 50 channels from the same antena, all multiplexed > together. Digital transmission has that advantage. > > On some locations we may tune two or three antenas, but all have the > same channels, except perhaps some local city channels. I don't know the current state, but from what I recall the switch in .pt was ridiculous in that regard - besides being reportedly plagued with technical decisions that led to worse coverage. (And may also have contributed to people subscribing to limited cable packages which were created specifically for that purpose, for those who did not have DVB-T coverage, provided by the former TV Cabo, which until 2007 (two years before the PAL switch-off?) was part of Portugal Telecom,[1] the entity which won the tender to be in charge of the DVB-T broadcasting network? Maybe I'm misunderstanding or misreading something...[2]) [1] <https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOS_Comunica%C3%A7%C3%B5es#Hist%C3%B3ria> [2] <https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2009/04/15/low-coverage-start-for-portuguese-dtt/> Having more content was touted as an advantage, but they rounded up so many channels that the whole thing just uses a single channel/mux! It started with the same four OTA channels there were in PAL, IIRC plus one test channel. Further additions were just things that really shouldn't have been added later, and that should have already been on PAL, like ARtv (parliamentary channel, which is intended to be free of charge, but that for some stupid reason for a long time wasn't available OTA), and two public broadcaster channels which were only on basic cable. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 11:40 +0100 |
| Subject | [OT] DVB nomenclature (was: Re: Redundancy/Survival) |
| Message-ID | <110beum$l5t8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87750 |
On 2026-06-09, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 02:36:22 -0400, c186282 wrote: > > >> Hmmm ... my connection has very recently IMPROVED. fast.com sez >> 45mbps. Maybe they added a new antenna ? > > I did see some improvement when Verizon put up a new tower a little > closer. Towers here follow population density and major highways. Fiber > and cable TV is the same. > >> Anyway, I can usually "stream" ... but rarely do. Pref 'channel >> surfing' more 'traditional' TV. > > Last time I scanned I think I get 5 OTA channels, some with several > subbands. PBS has 4, maybe 5. One is strictly kid shows. I check it out --^^^^^^^^ I think these are called "programs" in DVB parlance? (Which is confusing to me as they're what I'd call "channels", meanwhile "program" also collides with the usage for "show". Might make slightly more sense in places where broadcasting is done by TV broadcasters themselves, broadcasting only their own channels-programs and not over a shared broadcasting infrastructure where a DVB channel multiplexes TV channels that can be completely unrelated. I think another approach to this has been to call the DVB channels "muxes" instead?) -- Nuno Silva
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 18:56 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] DVB nomenclature |
| Message-ID | <fihofmxcl8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87803 |
On 2026-06-10 12:40, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-06-09, rbowman wrote: > >> On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 02:36:22 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >> >>> Hmmm ... my connection has very recently IMPROVED. fast.com sez >>> 45mbps. Maybe they added a new antenna ? >> >> I did see some improvement when Verizon put up a new tower a little >> closer. Towers here follow population density and major highways. Fiber >> and cable TV is the same. >> >>> Anyway, I can usually "stream" ... but rarely do. Pref 'channel >>> surfing' more 'traditional' TV. >> >> Last time I scanned I think I get 5 OTA channels, some with several >> subbands. PBS has 4, maybe 5. One is strictly kid shows. I check it out > --^^^^^^^^ > > I think these are called "programs" in DVB parlance? > > (Which is confusing to me as they're what I'd call "channels", meanwhile > "program" also collides with the usage for "show". > > Might make slightly more sense in places where broadcasting is done by > TV broadcasters themselves, broadcasting only their own > channels-programs and not over a shared broadcasting infrastructure > where a DVB channel multiplexes TV channels that can be completely > unrelated. > > I think another approach to this has been to call the DVB channels > "muxes" instead?) Muxes would be a technical term. Multiplex. We talk of channels in a multiplex, what before would be stations. Each has an schedule, having programs, shows, movies, serials, etc. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 18:36 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] DVB nomenclature |
| Message-ID | <n8tlkdF9doU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87811 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: > >> I think another approach to this has been to call the DVB channels >> "muxes" instead?) > > Muxes would be a technical term. Multiplex. If it's DVB-S rather than DVB-T then "bouquet" is another term they use. > We talk of channels in a multiplex, what before would be stations. Each > has an schedule, having programs, shows, movies, serials, etc.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 20:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] DVB nomenclature (was: Re: Redundancy/Survival) |
| Message-ID | <n8tv06F104sU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87803 |
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 11:40:22 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > I think these are called "programs" in DVB parlance? > > (Which is confusing to me as they're what I'd call "channels", meanwhile > "program" also collides with the usage for "show". > > Might make slightly more sense in places where broadcasting is done by > TV broadcasters themselves, broadcasting only their own > channels-programs and not over a shared broadcasting infrastructure > where a DVB channel multiplexes TV channels that can be completely > unrelated. > > I think another approach to this has been to call the DVB channels > "muxes" > instead?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_subchannel The PBS station has 5 virtual channels, subchannels, or whatever, 11.1, 11.2, 11.3, 11,4. and 11.5. One of them is kid shows, one seems to be mostly cooking, and one is local government. It's confusing since the schedules are only given for 11.1, the main channel. It was a surprise when they went digital and had more than 1. I think Fox and CBS only have 2 but I haven't scanned lately.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 11:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1108pve$3sqtf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87697 |
On 2026-06-08, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 00:23:27 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> 100mbps is pretty slow by today's GB+ standards, but it's still good >> enough to do the usual online biz and banking stuff in case of >> emergency. Need JUST enough power to fire up the box and a laptop for >> like 30 minutes a day. > > Are you shitting me? > > https://fiber.google.com/speedtest/ shows 6.5 Mbps down. https:// > www.speedtest.net/ shows 3.59 Mbps down. Neither show upload which I > assume is related to the Verizon IP juggling. > > I watch streaming movies and TV shows, youtube videos, and so forth with > no buffering, No, I don't have a houseful of kids playing HD games or > streaming HD videos. 100mbps can be quite decent, although I suppose the comment was in regard to what is *available* with the tech. And, for that, gigabit, or at least several hundred mbps, should be feasible at least with fiber-based offerings, barring fancy ideas of overcharging consumers. As for video streaming, this has probably more to do with the codecs used, which do allow a lot without using much bandwidth. Although sometimes a few codecs to so at the expense of quite increased processor usage, possibly requiring hardware acceleration support for decent playback. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 15:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1109cqg$47oc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87738 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-06-08, rbowman wrote: > >> On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 00:23:27 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> 100mbps is pretty slow by today's GB+ standards, but it's still good >>> enough to do the usual online biz and banking stuff in case of >>> emergency. Need JUST enough power to fire up the box and a laptop for >>> like 30 minutes a day. >> >> Are you shitting me? >> >> https://fiber.google.com/speedtest/ shows 6.5 Mbps down. https:// >> www.speedtest.net/ shows 3.59 Mbps down. Neither show upload which I >> assume is related to the Verizon IP juggling. >> >> I watch streaming movies and TV shows, youtube videos, and so forth with >> no buffering, No, I don't have a houseful of kids playing HD games or >> streaming HD videos. > > 100mbps can be quite decent, although I suppose the comment was in > regard to what is *available* with the tech. And, for that, gigabit, or > at least several hundred mbps, should be feasible at least with > fiber-based offerings, barring fancy ideas of overcharging consumers. > > As for video streaming, this has probably more to do with the codecs > used, which do allow a lot without using much bandwidth. Although > sometimes a few codecs to so at the expense of quite increased processor > usage, possibly requiring hardware acceleration support for decent > playback. For video streaming, latency and jitter matter much more than raw bandwidth. Many video streams do not even stress a 10Mbit pipe bandwidth wise, but are very sensitive to jitter in the flow rate (they very much prefer all the packets arrive in the expected time).
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 18:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8r5cnFbsbqU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87740 |
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:51:44 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > For video streaming, latency and jitter matter much more than raw > bandwidth. Many video streams do not even stress a 10Mbit pipe > bandwidth wise, but are very sensitive to jitter in the flow rate (they > very much prefer all the packets arrive in the expected time). It doesn't occur frequently but at times the Amazon or Netflix stream video will be okay but the sound will be like the old days of playing a 45 rpm record at 16 rpm. Restarting the feed fixes it.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 22:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <599mfmxpml.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87752 |
On 2026-06-09 20:46, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:51:44 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > >> For video streaming, latency and jitter matter much more than raw >> bandwidth. Many video streams do not even stress a 10Mbit pipe >> bandwidth wise, but are very sensitive to jitter in the flow rate (they >> very much prefer all the packets arrive in the expected time). > > It doesn't occur frequently but at times the Amazon or Netflix stream > video will be okay but the sound will be like the old days of playing a 45 > rpm record at 16 rpm. Restarting the feed fixes it. I have not seen this (Amazon). -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 04:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1OKdnZnWId3_hrT3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87752 |
On 6/9/26 14:46, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:51:44 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > >> For video streaming, latency and jitter matter much more than raw >> bandwidth. Many video streams do not even stress a 10Mbit pipe >> bandwidth wise, but are very sensitive to jitter in the flow rate (they >> very much prefer all the packets arrive in the expected time). > > It doesn't occur frequently but at times the Amazon or Netflix stream > video will be okay but the sound will be like the old days of playing a 45 > rpm record at 16 rpm. Restarting the feed fixes it. Oooh ! Never encountered THAT ! For me, 'inadequate bandwidth' is mostly just random pauses, too-small buffers. You CAN enlarge said buffers in the common browsers though. YouTube is mostly USELESS now ... annoying 'commercials' every five minutes or less. No, NOT gonna make an account. Was trying to study pre-Sumerian cultures the other day ... quit ... not worth the pain. "PlutoTV" is OK however ... but DOES have more conventional 'commercials' just like broadcast. Esp good for 'old' TV shows. Even has the old "Dr. Who" stuff - missed a LOT of those in the USA ... "DailyMotion" is SOMETIMES kind of OK, but does not have nearly as much Stuff. Did find some "Captain Video" serials from the 40s/50s though. (Capt Video seems to work from some obscure mountain stronghold, has a 'videotron' that can see into things even from 50 miles away. Tends to then go to obscure planets)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 11:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1fmnfmxt3c.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87788 |
On 2026-06-10 10:08, c186282 wrote: > On 6/9/26 14:46, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:51:44 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: >> >>> For video streaming, latency and jitter matter much more than raw >>> bandwidth. Many video streams do not even stress a 10Mbit pipe >>> bandwidth wise, but are very sensitive to jitter in the flow rate (they >>> very much prefer all the packets arrive in the expected time). >> >> It doesn't occur frequently but at times the Amazon or Netflix stream >> video will be okay but the sound will be like the old days of playing >> a 45 >> rpm record at 16 rpm. Restarting the feed fixes it. > >  Oooh ! Never encountered THAT ! > >  For me, 'inadequate bandwidth' is mostly just >  random pauses, too-small buffers. You CAN enlarge >  said buffers in the common browsers though. > >  YouTube is mostly USELESS now ... annoying 'commercials' >  every five minutes or less. No, NOT gonna make an account. >  Was trying to study pre-Sumerian cultures the other day ... >  quit ... not worth the pain. Just install "uBlock Origin" in Firefox and go to youtube. Works fine. > >  "PlutoTV" is OK however ... but DOES have more >  conventional 'commercials' just like broadcast. >  Esp good for 'old' TV shows. Even has the old >  "Dr. Who" stuff - missed a LOT of those in the >  USA ... > >  "DailyMotion" is SOMETIMES kind of OK, but does >  not have nearly as much Stuff. Did find some >  "Captain Video" serials from the 40s/50s though. > >  (Capt Video seems to work from some obscure >  mountain stronghold, has a 'videotron' that >  can see into things even from 50 miles away. >  Tends to then go to obscure planets) > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 11:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <0BbWR.178517$DvK9.94398@fx48.iad> |
| In reply to | #87802 |
On 2026-06-10, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-06-10 10:08, c186282 wrote: > >> Â YouTube is mostly USELESS now ... annoying 'commercials' >> Â every five minutes or less. No, NOT gonna make an account. >> Â Was trying to study pre-Sumerian cultures the other day ... >> Â quit ... not worth the pain. > > Just install "uBlock Origin" in Firefox and go to youtube. Works fine. Either that or use yt-dlp to download videos and watch them offline. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 19:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8ts64F104sU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87788 |
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 04:08:32 -0400, c186282 wrote: > YouTube is mostly USELESS now ... annoying 'commercials' every five > minutes or less. No, NOT gonna make an account. Was trying to study > pre-Sumerian cultures the other day ... > quit ... not worth the pain. Maybe I live a charmed life but with Brave youtube commercials are so rare as to be a surprise.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 01:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <I-GcnYA-B93Q3rf3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87816 |
On 6/10/26 15:28, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 04:08:32 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> YouTube is mostly USELESS now ... annoying 'commercials' every five >> minutes or less. No, NOT gonna make an account. Was trying to study >> pre-Sumerian cultures the other day ... >> quit ... not worth the pain. > > Maybe I live a charmed life but with Brave youtube commercials are so rare > as to be a surprise. Never used it. What tabs does 'Brave' keep on you ?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 06:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8v3klF6v90U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87836 |
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 01:10:27 -0400, c186282 wrote: > On 6/10/26 15:28, rbowman wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 04:08:32 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> YouTube is mostly USELESS now ... annoying 'commercials' every >>> five minutes or less. No, NOT gonna make an account. Was trying to >>> study pre-Sumerian cultures the other day ... >>> quit ... not worth the pain. >> >> Maybe I live a charmed life but with Brave youtube commercials are so >> rare as to be a surprise. > > Never used it. > > What tabs does 'Brave' keep on you ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Privacy Brave did have the Basic Attention Tokens scheme early on. It faded away and I don't know if it's even a thing anymore. Look up Eich's history and why they made him walk the plank at Mozilla. One of the few things that don't work are Knan Academy videos. No idea why. If you're content with the spawn of Mozilla I'd suggest LibreWolf. Similar privacy and they're stripping the AI shit Mozilla is incorporating. Brave does have the Leo AI but it's easy to turn off.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 18:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8r54nFbsbqU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87738 |
On Tue, 09 Jun 2026 11:30:06 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > 100mbps can be quite decent, although I suppose the comment was in > regard to what is *available* with the tech. And, for that, gigabit, or > at least several hundred mbps, should be feasible at least with > fiber-based offerings, barring fancy ideas of overcharging consumers. I'm in a rural area and I do not expect fiber anytime soon if ever. They lay fiber towards the areas that are undergoing development.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 03:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <p0-dnQfPWuQViLT3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87751 |
On 6/9/26 14:42, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 09 Jun 2026 11:30:06 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> 100mbps can be quite decent, although I suppose the comment was in >> regard to what is *available* with the tech. And, for that, gigabit, or >> at least several hundred mbps, should be feasible at least with >> fiber-based offerings, barring fancy ideas of overcharging consumers. > > I'm in a rural area and I do not expect fiber anytime soon if ever. They > lay fiber towards the areas that are undergoing development. My GUESS is that for phones and 'cable tv' we are looking at just the main trunk lines remaining. That "last mile" (or more) will be dedicated wireless links connected to those trunk cables. A *few* big cables aren't TOO hard to maintain.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-08 01:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <110547i$2soi0$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87503 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 6/4/26 11:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 04/06/2026 15:57, c186282 wrote: >>> The sheer mass of copper often meant it was less likely to "flap in >>> the breeze" compared to a skinny fiber. The entire south and east >>> coast of the USA get big HURRICANES ... so 'flapping' is relevant. >>> >> Christ on a bike, Is there no end to your ignorance? NOTHING goes >> overhead without a steel support core. > > NOW, typically. Not THAT long ago, it was just a PVC clad wire. > Expect LOTS of 'legacy' installs. Bzzt... No, wrong again. There's always a steel cable somewhere, and has always been one for a very long time. Either it is external, and the "PVC bundle" is wired to it for support, or it is actually inside the PVC clad wire as the central core. But there is a steel cable somewhere. Copper is much too ductile to take the strain of self-support between poles, and fiber simply does not appreciate much of any tension in the cable at all. Physics dictates the steel cable be present.
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