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The boring Linux habit that saves machines

Started byTheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null>
First post2026-05-30 22:28 +0000
Last post2026-06-07 01:33 -0400
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  The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-30 22:28 +0000
    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 23:51 -0400
      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 04:23 +0000
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 02:26 -0400
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 06:41 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 03:37 -0400
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 07:46 +0000
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:55 +0000
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 12:07 +0200
                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 10:14 +0000
                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:06 +0200
                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 11:12 +0000
                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:45 +0000
                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:13 -0400
                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:30 +0000
                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 20:49 +0200
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:00 -0400
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:07 +0000
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:11 -0400
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:10 +0000
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:15 -0400
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-06-01 12:20 +0300
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-01 09:38 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 02:20 -0400
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 11:08 +0000
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 23:58 -0400
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-04 11:47 +0000
                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 11:57 -0400
                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-05 12:53 +0000
                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 17:35 +0100
                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-05 16:42 +0000
                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:06 -0400
                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 10:35 +0100
                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 03:35 -0400
                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:39 +0100
                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 14:41 +0100
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:04 -0400
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:34 +0100
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 21:24 +0100
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:46 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:09 -0400
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:17 +0100
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:33 -0400
                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:53 +0100
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 18:52 +0200
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 21:47 +0100
                                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 02:58 +0000
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:36 -0400
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:46 +0100
                                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:15 +0000
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 07:52 +0100
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:52 +0100
                                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-11 18:47 +0200
                                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:00 +0100
                                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:59 +0000
                                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:02 +0100
                                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:21 +0000
                                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 19:29 +0000
                                                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 20:36 +0100
                                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 00:53 +0000
                                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 23:43 -0400
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:55 +0000
                                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:16 -0400
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:28 +0000
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:42 +0100
                                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:41 +0000
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:40 +0100
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:35 +0000
                                                            [OT] TINA applied to political opponents (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 09:35 +0100
                                                              Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:07 +0100
                                                                Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-12 14:18 +0000
                                                                  Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 16:46 +0100
                                                                    Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 14:00 +0100
                                                                        Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 19:39 +0000
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:52 -0400
                                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:20 +0100
                                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:16 +0000
                                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 03:52 -0400
                                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:56 +0100
                                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:53 +0100
                                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 01:46 -0400
                                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:20 +0000
                                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 03:54 -0400
                                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 14:06 +0100
                                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 19:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-14 14:41 +0200
                                                    [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 09:06 +0100
                                                      Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 12:03 +0100
                                                        Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:44 +0000
                                                          Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 21:18 +0200
                                                          Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:12 +0100
                                                            Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 01:27 -0400
                                                              Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:23 +0000
                                                                Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 04:01 -0400
                                                      Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:40 +0000
                                                        Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:07 +0100
                                                          Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:17 +0000
                                                            Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 14:03 +0100
                                                              Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 20:06 +0000
                                                          Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 00:58 -0400
                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:22 +0000
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 21:48 +0100
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:57 -0400
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:27 +0000
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:28 +0000
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:54 -0400
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 01:27 -0400
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 10:57 +0200
                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-07 08:00 -0700
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 16:35 +0100
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 23:48 +0000
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:53 +0100
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 08:26 +0100
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 23:06 -0400
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:11 -0400
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-09 17:42 +0000
                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 10:39 +0100
                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 03:44 -0400
                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 23:55 -0400
                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:47 +0000
                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:58 +0200
                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-07 20:40 +0000
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 23:39 +0000
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 23:00 -0400
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 04:36 +0000
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 02:30 -0400
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:19 +0100
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 23:53 -0400
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:23 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:28 -0400
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:24 +0000
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:40 -0400
                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:17 +0000
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:56 -0400
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:24 +0000
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-08 22:42 +0200
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:45 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:44 +0000
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:08 -0400
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:07 +0200
                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:03 -0400
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:43 +0200
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:52 +0200
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:33 -0400
                                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:03 +0000
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 02:42 -0400
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:26 +0000
                                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:31 +0200
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:37 -0400
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:13 +0000
                                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 03:46 -0400
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 03:16 -0400
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:54 +0100
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2026-06-08 21:46 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 04:50 +0000
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:16 -0400
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 08:49 +0100
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 01:48 -0400
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:11 +0200
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:32 -0400
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 05:38 +0000
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:49 +0200
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:08 +0000
                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:31 +0000
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-11 03:31 +0000
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 04:36 +0000
                                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 08:37 +0100
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-11 19:02 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:54 -0400
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:12 +0000
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:30 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:15 +0200
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 14:30 +0100
                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 23:38 -0400
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:22 +0100
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 00:28 -0400
                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:03 -0400
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:42 +0000
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:53 +0000
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:53 -0400
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:52 +0000
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:41 -0400
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 06:41 +0000
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 03:07 -0400
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:28 +0200
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:16 +0000
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:18 -0400
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 18:59 +0000
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:51 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:56 -0400
    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 16:43 +0800
      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 08:48 +0000
      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-31 10:16 +0000
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 10:22 +0000
    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 06:38 +0000
      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 03:04 -0400
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:32 +0200
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 11:34 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 14:01 +0200
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-09 20:29 +0000
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 22:52 +0200
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 04:36 -0400
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 08:48 +0000
      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:17 +0100
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:57 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 16:11 +0100
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-09 20:30 +0000
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:19 +0000
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 00:22 +0000
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:18 -0400
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:33 -0400

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#87939

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-06-13 20:36 +0100
Message-ID<110kbgj$35cu6$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87938
On 13/06/2026 20:29, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 13:58:06 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> The short answer to who broke Britain is of course Tony Blair, the EU
>> and the Russians.
> 
> Blair, Clinton, and W were all carved from the same neoliberal turd. Bush
> II was another case of who do you vote for when the other choice is that
> fat, hypocritical, windbag, Gore.
Yup. Agree with that.

Eu fears  britain. Emperor's new clothes etc. Destroying UK and making 
it EU vassal state is the agenda.

Starmer is their friend

-- 
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a 
kind word alone.

Al Capone


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#87943

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-06-14 00:53 +0000
Message-ID<n96cd2Fbh9lU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87939
On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 20:36:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Eu fears  britain. Emperor's new clothes etc. Destroying UK and making
> it EU vassal state is the agenda.

Deutschland uber alles. It took a while but Germans are patient. 

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#87946

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-06-13 23:43 -0400
Message-ID<QAWdneVoMpIQvrP3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87943
On 6/13/26 20:53, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 20:36:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Eu fears  britain. Emperor's new clothes etc. Destroying UK and making
>> it EU vassal state is the agenda.
> 
> Deutschland uber alles. It took a while but Germans are patient.

   Germany now licks Xi's ass.

   And it's only getting worse - fast.

   This 'fuel crisis' - for SURE they are going
   to clear the way to bring in zillions of
   Chinese EV/Spy/Sabotaged vehicles. Then they
   will have to upgrade the whole power grid ...
   betcha China will provide their "solutions".

   German 'industry' will soon be back to beer
   and wienerschnitzel, until Xi drops the
   hammer ...... so much for the "Powerhouse
   of Europe".

   Hmm ... seen a few here try to blame all the UKs
   problems on Blair. Sorry, but the Big Decline was
   well underway before then. "WE DEMAND OUR FREE
   STUFF !!!" drove govt and economy for many decades.
   "Being Strong and Self-Sufficient" got its balls
   cut off at some tranny clinic.

   News today - the govt has AGAIN agreed to give
   doctors and such big wage/perk hikes - more Free
   Money. Thing is, the UK doesn't *have* any more
   money, free or otherwise. They've let their
   industries and mindsets and possibilities ROT.

   SO sad.

   But hey ... the UK still has lots of top tech
   and electronics people. The Trump re-domestication
   program and AI initiatives have brought a lot of
   such industries to the USA and such talent will
   be in DEMAND. Good wages and much lower taxes.
   Design new chips, set-up AI systems, help with the
   SpaceX Mars program ... lots of stuff worth leaving
   the UK. But leave NOW, while you can still afford,
   and be ALLOWED, to move.

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#87866

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-06-11 16:55 +0000
Message-ID<n907jrFca6vU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87850
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 07:52:27 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

> Also the EU is not famous for being cheap as a place to do business, if
> the US is running a goods trade deficit with it then that seems like a
> skill issue. What are you guys playing at?! Hire some competent
> managers.

Rather late for that. The decision was taken in the early '70s that 
manufacturing was a thing of the past. Dirty old plants could be moved to 
countries with cheap labor while we entered a clean service economy.  Much 
of the physical plant had been renewed during WWII and was due for 
replacement with modern machinery but dirt cheap labor was better than 
capital spending. 

A deciding factor was the stagflation, a result of the oil embargo. The 
embargo, of course, was another result of the US playing games in the 
Middle East. The failed attempt to show the French how it was done in 
southeast Asia didn't help either.

The managers are very competent. They've made billions for their 
employers.

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#87838

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-06-11 01:16 -0400
Message-ID<FBicnUsM2upz2bf3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87823
On 6/10/26 16:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/06/2026 17:52, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> From afar, it seems that the whole American nation have gone batshit 
>>> crazy, from the Librals prophesying complete societal collapse from 
>>> Trump, sonofabitch,  to those believing in the second coming of 
>>> Trump, son of God.
>>>
>>> He's just a very naughty boy.
>>
>> Read a stat today, only 1 in 10 Europeans think the Americans are 
>> friends.
> 
> Well the US state, anyway,
> 
> Fundamentally the US would at least work towards its long term interest. 
> Europe was a market as big as the USA and was worth protecting.
> 
> Trump is simply too stupid to understand that.  If he cant make a profit 
> right now, he isn't interested.

   Note those Euros got to think of the USA as
   "Uncle Money-Bags" for a LONG time.

   No wonder they're upset.

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#87845

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-06-11 06:28 +0000
Message-ID<n8v2t3F6v90U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87838
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 01:16:32 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Note those Euros got to think of the USA as "Uncle Money-Bags" for a
>    LONG time.

The US wanted to be the big dog after WWII; the bill is coming due. 

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#87859

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-06-11 11:42 +0100
Message-ID<110e3en$1cf90$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87845
On 11/06/2026 07:28, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 01:16:32 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Note those Euros got to think of the USA as "Uncle Money-Bags" for a
>>     LONG time.
> 
> The US wanted to be the big dog after WWII; the bill is coming due.

Indeed it is. Galloping inflation, exports crashing, unemployment on the 
rise.
Crippling healthcare costs. No broadband.



-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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#87864

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-06-11 16:41 +0000
Message-ID<n906pqFca6vU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87859
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 11:42:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 11/06/2026 07:28, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 01:16:32 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>     Note those Euros got to think of the USA as "Uncle Money-Bags" for
>>>     a LONG time.
>> 
>> The US wanted to be the big dog after WWII; the bill is coming due.
> 
> Indeed it is. Galloping inflation, exports crashing, unemployment on the
> rise.
> Crippling healthcare costs. No broadband.

It was an interesting experiment. 

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#87858

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-06-11 11:40 +0100
Message-ID<110e3ad$1cf90$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87838
On 11/06/2026 06:16, c186282 wrote:
> On 6/10/26 16:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 10/06/2026 17:52, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> From afar, it seems that the whole American nation have gone batshit 
>>>> crazy, from the Librals prophesying complete societal collapse from 
>>>> Trump, sonofabitch,  to those believing in the second coming of 
>>>> Trump, son of God.
>>>>
>>>> He's just a very naughty boy.
>>>
>>> Read a stat today, only 1 in 10 Europeans think the Americans are 
>>> friends.
>>
>> Well the US state, anyway,
>>
>> Fundamentally the US would at least work towards its long term 
>> interest. Europe was a market as big as the USA and was worth protecting.
>>
>> Trump is simply too stupid to understand that.  If he cant make a 
>> profit right now, he isn't interested.
> 
>    Note those Euros got to think of the USA as
>    "Uncle Money-Bags" for a LONG time.
> 
>    No wonder they're upset.
> 
I think you are profoundly mistaken

Europe sells more to the US than the US sells to Europe. That's not 
'money bags' that's a supplier not making what his customers want. See 
John Deere etc.

And then when you find that the imports can't be used without US 
permission, when you need then, you tend to dump the whole product 
lines. See F35.

The USA simply thinks its more important than it is.

It is welcome to boycott European products and welsh on its commitments 
to Europe, but it can't expect to maintain its exports or 'frendship' 
under such conditions.

Trump still hasn't got past the basic 'you fuck with me once, I won't do 
business with you again' style of business.

The rest of the world is discovering how little they actually *need* the 
USA at all.

Dump Microsoft. Install Linux.
Dump Apple, buy Samsung.
Dump John Deere, Buy Claas
Dump Lockheed, buy Saab
Dump US missiles, buy Ukrainian drones.
Dump Intel, buy Arm.
Dump Boeing, buy Airbus or Embraer.

Europe bought American because it was ok and cheap and the bribes were good.
Now its none of the above.

I mean even MAGA doesn't make sense. Make America Great Again.
Great, compared with what? North Korea?

You can't have isolationism and then compare yourself with the rest of a 
world you just said you don't care about. And have cut yourself off from.

United capitalist corporate republic of America. Behind a firewall.

*shrug*. No one cares any more..

-- 
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
...than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman


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#87870

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-06-11 17:35 +0000
Message-ID<n909vgFca6vU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87858
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 11:40:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> You can't have isolationism and then compare yourself with the rest of a
> world you just said you don't care about. And have cut yourself off
> from.

The US could have been an autarky and maintained neutral relations with 
the rest of the world, trading for coffee, tea, and other goods that 
aren't feasible. We even have plenty of rare earths, but it was cheaper to 
buy from Alibaba.

The Constitution was written by wealthy merchants and lawyers and that's 
the class that has always ruled. That is crystal clear when that idiot 
dismissed all concerns by saying 'but the Dow broke 10,000' and the other 
idiot said 'I love inflation'. 

Sadly the alternative is a bunch of woke assholes.

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#87891 — [OT] TINA applied to political opponents (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines)

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-06-12 09:35 +0100
Subject[OT] TINA applied to political opponents (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines)
Message-ID<110ggc7$218mq$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87870
On 2026-06-11, rbowman wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 11:40:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> You can't have isolationism and then compare yourself with the rest of a
>> world you just said you don't care about. And have cut yourself off
>> from.
>
> The US could have been an autarky and maintained neutral relations with 
> the rest of the world, trading for coffee, tea, and other goods that 
> aren't feasible. We even have plenty of rare earths, but it was cheaper to 
> buy from Alibaba.
>
> The Constitution was written by wealthy merchants and lawyers and that's 
> the class that has always ruled. That is crystal clear when that idiot 
> dismissed all concerns by saying 'but the Dow broke 10,000' and the other 
> idiot said 'I love inflation'. 
>
> Sadly the alternative is a bunch of woke assholes.

Have you considered that this final sentence may be something forced
onto you by the others mentioned above, and not actual reality? I think
that, if you think a bit about it, you'll understand that it would
really serve their interests to have you thinking precisely that.

"TINA" ends up being a terrible plague in politics. And it's not
surprising some groups try to use it extensively, for fear that voters
learn there *are* alternatives, perhaps even more viable than the ideas
they're pushing.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#87898 — Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-06-12 12:07 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents
Message-ID<110gp8v$23pa0$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87891
On 12/06/2026 09:35, Nuno Silva wrote:
> Have you considered that this final sentence may be something forced
> onto you by the others mentioned above, and not actual reality? I think
> that, if you think a bit about it, you'll understand that it would
> really serve their interests to have you thinking precisely that.

Even more in their interests to be that, and force an alternative.

In the end people on the conservative side disliked the lies and 
hypocrisy of the Left, so decided to vote in the lies and hypocrisy of 
the right.

The Russians who supported both sides because they like to start fights 
within nations they fear, laughed themselves silly.

Like may places in the world, Americans are searching desperately for a 
political class that cares about them, is competent, and honest.


-- 
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead 
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

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#87903 — Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-06-12 14:18 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents
Message-ID<110h4f1$27i54$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87898
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> are searching desperately for a political class that cares about 
> them, is competent, and honest.

Does *any* such thing exist?

In must every quarter of the world, the "political class" most often 
seems to only care about "the political class", they fein interest in 
the average joe sufficient to keep "average joe" voting for them, and 
they all seem to be habitual liars.

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#87904 — Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-06-12 16:46 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents
Message-ID<110h9li$29tgt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87903
On 12/06/2026 15:18, Rich wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> are searching desperately for a political class that cares about
>> them, is competent, and honest.
> 
> Does *any* such thing exist?
> 
You have been told that such a thing does not exist and therefore you 
should pick the one that nets you the most bribes.

My experience is that individuals are OK but the machinery has been 
perverted by rich individuals corporates and lobbies...

> In must every quarter of the world, the "political class" most often
> seems to only care about "the political class", they fein interest in
> the average joe sufficient to keep "average joe" voting for them, and
> they all seem to be habitual liars.
> 
Well as the average joe gets smarter, things necessarily change. 
Americans are politically almost as dumb as Russians.



-- 
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

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#87911 — Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-06-12 19:02 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents
Message-ID<n933dvFprtfU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87904
On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 16:46:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Well as the average joe gets smarter, things necessarily change.
> Americans are politically almost as dumb as Russians.

Says someone from a country that fucked itself out of an empire. 

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#87934 — Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-06-13 14:00 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents
Message-ID<110jk96$2uagj$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87911
On 12/06/2026 20:02, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 16:46:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Well as the average joe gets smarter, things necessarily change.
>> Americans are politically almost as dumb as Russians.
> 
> Says someone from a country that fucked itself out of an empire.

Which was the smartest thing to do.
Unlike other nations, the UK never wanted and empire for the power.
It was simply a way to ensure  global trade.

Once that was established, we simply gave the countries back

The USA has resigned from global trade



-- 
No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.

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#87940 — Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-06-13 19:39 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents
Message-ID<n95pv9F8crcU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87934
On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 14:00:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Which was the smartest thing to do.
> Unlike other nations, the UK never wanted and empire for the power.
> It was simply a way to ensure  global trade.

"A society that definitely and instinctively gives up war and conquest is 
in decline: it is ripe for democracy and the rule of shopkeepers—In most 
cases, to be sure, assurances of peace are merely narcotics."

Nietzsche

He was not original. Adam Smith did it better:

"To found a great empire for the sole purpose of raising up a people of 
customers may at first sight appear a project fit only for a nation of 
shopkeepers. It is, however, a project altogether unfit for a nation of 
shopkeepers; but extremely fit for a nation whose government is influenced 
by shopkeepers."

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#87884

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-06-12 02:52 -0400
Message-ID<1NqdnXn-U74iMbb3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87858
On 6/11/26 06:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 11/06/2026 06:16, c186282 wrote:
>> On 6/10/26 16:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 10/06/2026 17:52, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> From afar, it seems that the whole American nation have gone 
>>>>> batshit crazy, from the Librals prophesying complete societal 
>>>>> collapse from Trump, sonofabitch,  to those believing in the second 
>>>>> coming of Trump, son of God.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's just a very naughty boy.
>>>>
>>>> Read a stat today, only 1 in 10 Europeans think the Americans are 
>>>> friends.
>>>
>>> Well the US state, anyway,
>>>
>>> Fundamentally the US would at least work towards its long term 
>>> interest. Europe was a market as big as the USA and was worth 
>>> protecting.
>>>
>>> Trump is simply too stupid to understand that.  If he cant make a 
>>> profit right now, he isn't interested.
>>
>>    Note those Euros got to think of the USA as
>>    "Uncle Money-Bags" for a LONG time.
>>
>>    No wonder they're upset.
>>
> I think you are profoundly mistaken


   Umm, no, not anymore.

   Europe BLEW IT for petty political reasons
   and "reasoning".


> Europe sells more to the US than the US sells to Europe. That's not 
> 'money bags' that's a supplier not making what his customers want. See 
> John Deere etc.


   Actually, "John Deere" moved most of its stuff
   to MEXICO a few years ago. Despicable.

   As for what the EU or USA sells to whom ... I'm
   not that interested in the fine figures anymore.

   EU ... how much DOES it make anymore ? Seems like
   China has taken over.

   Anyway, in many ways, the USA had been carrying
   Europe on it's back since 1945.

   No more.


> And then when you find that the imports can't be used without US 
> permission, when you need then, you tend to dump the whole product 
> lines. See F35.
> 
> The USA simply thinks its more important than it is.
> 
> It is welcome to boycott European products and welsh on its commitments 
> to Europe, but it can't expect to maintain its exports or 'frendship' 
> under such conditions.
> 
> Trump still hasn't got past the basic 'you fuck with me once, I won't do 
> business with you again' style of business.
> 
> The rest of the world is discovering how little they actually *need* the 
> USA at all.
> 
> Dump Microsoft. Install Linux.
> Dump Apple, buy Samsung.
> Dump John Deere, Buy Claas
> Dump Lockheed, buy Saab
> Dump US missiles, buy Ukrainian drones.
> Dump Intel, buy Arm.
> Dump Boeing, buy Airbus or Embraer.

   Well ...

   AirBus IS better now. Would RATHER buy Samsung
   than Apple. John Deere ... several Asian corps
   make better stuff. Lockheed and Saab ... the former
   has more capacity, if not pure quality. We're not
   buying Ukranian drones - THEY need 'em - however we
   are COPYING such things as fast as we can now.
   Intel-vs-ARM-vs-AMD ... "best" kind of switches
   back and forth there so skip the religion. DID see
   an article yesterday about Apple M1 chips having
   an exploitable flaw in branch prediction ....

   Alas, given the devolving world situation, the USA
   (and others) kind of need to firm up their INTERNAL
   capacity. Doesn't matter if your stuff is strictly
   "best" so long as YOU can make it.

> Europe bought American because it was ok and cheap and the bribes were 
> good.
> Now its none of the above.

   Good.

   Europe can let Xi and Vlad take over.

> I mean even MAGA doesn't make sense. Make America Great Again.
> Great, compared with what? North Korea?
> 
> You can't have isolationism and then compare yourself with the rest of a 
> world you just said you don't care about. And have cut yourself off from.
> 
> United capitalist corporate republic of America. Behind a firewall.
> 
> *shrug*. No one cares any more..

   What, you demand "perfect" politics/economics ??? Never
   happened and never will.

   Sorry, pref the MAGA viewpoint.

   Europe had it's CHANCE for "MEGA" - but kinda blew it.

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#87901

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-06-12 12:20 +0100
Message-ID<110gq2e$23pa0$14@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87884
On 12/06/2026 07:52, c186282 wrote:
> EU ... how much DOES it make anymore ? Seems like
>    China has taken over.
> 
The EU makes nothing, It is just a bunch of ten thousand bureaucrats who 
bribed national leaders to enslave its populations.

The nations that comprise it are the real power houses,
Europe is a bit light on oil and gas, and the coal has mostly run out, 
but its very big on smarts.

It grows food all the way down to Africa and African nations are now 
farming at higher efficiencies than ever before.

It produces a range of consumer goods. And farming equipment that works 
in Europe's smaller field sizes.

It works with the far east to jointly produce goods that have global 
appeal.
It has never been an insular place. It has always been cosmopolitan and 
a world trading power. That's what its armies and Navies were for. To 
protect trade. Unlike the USA.


>    Anyway, in many ways, the USA had been carrying
>    Europe on it's back since 1945.
> 
Europe is still carrying America on its back.

>    No more.

-- 
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly 
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential 
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations 
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with 
what it actually is.

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#87906

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-06-12 18:16 +0000
Message-ID<n930njFprtfU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87901
On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 12:20:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The nations that comprise it are the real power houses,
> Europe is a bit light on oil and gas, and the coal has mostly run out,
> but its very big on smarts.

Well, one nation was the powerhouse but it seems to be running out of 
power.

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