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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200 |
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Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 08:46 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 09:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:35 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 16:17 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 00:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-27 00:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-28 10:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:41 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:04 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:42 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 15:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 21:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 11:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 17:24 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:37 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 22:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 23:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-31 21:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:15 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 18:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-02 01:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 03:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:26 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 17:25 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 20:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:30 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:24 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:04 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:15 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:19 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:34 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-04 08:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 17:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 14:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:07 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 17:17 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 00:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-07 19:54 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:18 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:26 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-06 03:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 20:03 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:59 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 23:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 03:05 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:52 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 02:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 20:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:11 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 01:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 02:58 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 11:11 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:32 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:33 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:57 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-29 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 05:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 03:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 07:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-01 04:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 19:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 10:49 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 18:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 13:05 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:13 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-03 18:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-02 17:44 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 17:54 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 21:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:41 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 01:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:53 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 10:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 12:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 11:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:56 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:40 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-07 20:37 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 00:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:23 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-08 01:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 15:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 02:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 19:18 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 21:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 12:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-05 11:55 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 22:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 12:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-07 20:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 00:44 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-07 23:06 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 04:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:43 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:08 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:29 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 00:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:52 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:43 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:51 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:56 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 01:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:03 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:02 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:31 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:31 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-30 09:09 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:17 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-31 07:33 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:28 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:58 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 20:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 14:02 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 08:54 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 05:04 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:54 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-28 09:15 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:29 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-29 02:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 14:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 04:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 23:41 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 17:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 22:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 04:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:32 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 00:27 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:13 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:12 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:08 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:33 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:45 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:39 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:21 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 22:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 09:05 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 08:19 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:20 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 20:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-28 21:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:30 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:29 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:18 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-02 17:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 15:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:03 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:22 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:39 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:48 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 01:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:00 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Worst Case" <fritz@spamexpire-202605.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <elFUR.38656$SHu9.38203@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #87526 |
On 2026-06-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > I go to the food store maybe every ten days to > get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half > of that is my fav, cashew nuts). It's always > "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" and > go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say > "Hi !", get to watch each item individually > scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" > and get a little smile. MUCH better. +1 > Alas by many reports, Gen-Z/A2 are TERRIFIED to > actually interact with strange humans, even over > a phone line. Dunno WHAT'S behind that but it's > pretty damned bad. Weird. > A few weeks back a pleasant little bagger gal > commented on the Archeology mag I bought - she > was pretty sharp and the short exchange made > me feel good. Gen-Z might have freaked at > her 'rude judgemental intrusion' into their > precious insular 'space'. When we're at the pub, my wife often strikes up a conversation with the waitress while we're paying our bill. She's good at getting someone's life history out of them. Many of these people are there to pay the bills while going to school - and taking interesting and useful courses, not just fluff. It's reassuring to see that at least some people are trying to make something of their lives. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 00:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j76dnV9gQrVGPr73nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87558 |
On 6/5/26 15:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> I go to the food store maybe every ten days to >> get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half >> of that is my fav, cashew nuts). It's always >> "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" and >> go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say >> "Hi !", get to watch each item individually >> scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" >> and get a little smile. MUCH better. > > +1 > >> Alas by many reports, Gen-Z/A2 are TERRIFIED to >> actually interact with strange humans, even over >> a phone line. Dunno WHAT'S behind that but it's >> pretty damned bad. > > Weird. I know, but search on it ... not making this up. >> A few weeks back a pleasant little bagger gal >> commented on the Archeology mag I bought - she >> was pretty sharp and the short exchange made >> me feel good. Gen-Z might have freaked at >> her 'rude judgemental intrusion' into their >> precious insular 'space'. > > When we're at the pub, my wife often strikes up a > conversation with the waitress while we're paying > our bill. She's good at getting someone's life > history out of them. Many of these people are > there to pay the bills while going to school - > and taking interesting and useful courses, > not just fluff. It's reassuring to see that > at least some people are trying to make something > of their lives. Checkers/waiters/etc are NOT alien drones. SOME are idiots but MOST are "people". Some are BRIGHT people. They're not evil or devils. Odd how the rise of "social networks" resulted in the kiddies becoming very UN-social. Some new thinking paradigm emerged. Either that or Mommy WAS smoking enough crack to warp their little brains ......
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 05:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8hqqnF1g5uU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87569 |
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 00:36:43 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Checkers/waiters/etc are NOT alien drones. SOME are idiots but MOST > are "people". Some are BRIGHT people. They're not evil or devils. The pattern is kids come to UM, fall in love with the area, and stay after they graduate. We may have the most well educated baristas, waiters, and shoe clerks in the world.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 02:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j76dnVVgQrUxIL73nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87575 |
On 6/6/26 01:51, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 00:36:43 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Checkers/waiters/etc are NOT alien drones. SOME are idiots but MOST >> are "people". Some are BRIGHT people. They're not evil or devils. > > The pattern is kids come to UM, fall in love with the area, and stay after > they graduate. We may have the most well educated baristas, waiters, and > shoe clerks in the world. Ummm ... ok ..... but is that overall useful ? :-) Anyway, from reading, really seems like a LOT of Gen-Z/A2 act like they're kinda far up "the spectrum" when it comes to random social interaction. They're the kind who will TEXT the Uber driver - "over by the yellow sign" rather than just SAY "over by the yellow sign". NOT sure of the whats and whys for this. Probably multi-factor, no one convenient answer. But it STARTED with 'online'-everything - a blank gap between "Me" and "Them". ANYway ... NO reason to be mean to those with 'service' jobs at all. Most are very decent. Don't even care if they can write 'C' - not THAT many can or ever will anyhow.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 20:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8jd9uFbdt7U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87580 |
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 02:26:52 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Anyway, from reading, really seems like a LOT of Gen-Z/A2 act like > they're kinda far up "the spectrum" when it comes to random social > interaction. > > They're the kind who will TEXT the Uber driver - "over by the yellow > sign" rather than just SAY "over by the yellow sign". I don't have much contact with Gen Z. They're around obviously but I think they hide in spider holes. I'm not great at estimating ages but it even seems like a slightly older crowd at events around town, even the last 4/20 thing I stumbled into.
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 03:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1129oap.t82.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #87569 |
On 2026-06-06, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > > Checkers/waiters/etc are NOT alien drones. SOME > are idiots but MOST are "people". Some are BRIGHT > people. They're not evil or devils. > > Odd how the rise of "social networks" resulted in > the kiddies becoming very UN-social. Some new > thinking paradigm emerged. > > Either that or Mommy WAS smoking enough crack to > warp their little brains ...... Or maybe (at least in the US) a steady diet of "stranger danger" starting as soon as the child could talk/listen combined with the Covid-era face masks, social distancing, and etc. convinced the kiddies that everyone _ELSE_ is an alien drone or worse. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 03:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8eve2Fl49dU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87520 |
On Fri, 05 Jun 2026 00:13:24 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a > mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the scale, > or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, > etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - it gives > them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. When the self checkout lanes went in the 'express' lanes were shutdown. That means you get to wait behind someone with a cart that's wheels are on the verge of collapsing. If you're really lucky there won't be a long sorting of food stamp eligible items from the rest, the EBT card will have enough to cover the eligible items, and the shopper won't have to cycle through more than three credit/debit cards to find one that isn't declined. Besides one of my personal failings is I'd rather deal with the mutts over at animal services or the 'community' cats that show up at mealtime. The latter are friendly to me but are definitely their own cats. I'm socialized enough to make small talk with a cashier but I'd rather not.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 01:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <33ednaGmS4BY_7_3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87529 |
On 6/4/26 23:51, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 05 Jun 2026 00:13:24 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a >> mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the scale, >> or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, >> etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - it gives >> them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. > > When the self checkout lanes went in the 'express' lanes were shutdown. > That means you get to wait behind someone with a cart that's wheels are on > the verge of collapsing. If you're really lucky there won't be a long > sorting of food stamp eligible items from the rest, the EBT card will have > enough to cover the eligible items, and the shopper won't have to cycle > through more than three credit/debit cards to find one that isn't > declined. Hmmm, never ran into anything THAT bad ! :-) At worst it's someone with a couple stolen cards and no valid PIN numbers. Worst case was a woman at a food store who wanted hundreds of dollars, small bills, from the card she was carrying (best bet NOT hers). The store had to actually raid several registers to produce what she demanded. They should have called the cops instead, but they don't want any "trouble". Some convenience stores offer "cash" - but limit it to ten or fifteen dollars. THAT works, makes fraud mostly Not Worth It. > Besides one of my personal failings is I'd rather deal with the mutts over > at animal services or the 'community' cats that show up at mealtime. The > latter are friendly to me but are definitely their own cats. > > I'm socialized enough to make small talk with a cashier but I'd rather > not. I rather like it ..... adds an element of "humanity" to the whole process. SOME cashiers are smarter and more interesting than you'd think too. Now, how can Linux improve this entire equation ? :-)
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <clFUR.38653$SHu9.9660@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #87529 |
On 2026-06-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Fri, 05 Jun 2026 00:13:24 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a >> mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the scale, >> or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, >> etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - it gives >> them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. > > When the self checkout lanes went in the 'express' lanes were shutdown. > That means you get to wait behind someone with a cart that's wheels are > on the verge of collapsing. If you're really lucky there won't be a long > sorting of food stamp eligible items from the rest, the EBT card will have > enough to cover the eligible items, and the shopper won't have to cycle > through more than three credit/debit cards to find one that isn't > declined. And they won't be buying lottery tickets. If I ran a grocery store and wanted to hurt my competitors, I'd pay people like that to shop at those other establishments. It would be a kind of denial-of-service attack. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 02:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fnidnaxJ3ful4oP3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87329 |
On 6/1/26 06:15, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-06-01 03:45, InterLinked wrote: >> On 5/30/2026 11:29 PM, c186282 wrote: >>> On 5/30/26 07:09, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-05-30 10:29, c186282 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don't disagree. >>>>> >>>>> However SOMETIMES it's worth mandating >>>>> a backwards-compatible system be kept >>>>> alive and working. >>>>> >>>>> Having experienced major service problems, >>>>> I'm gonna say that keeping the copper going >>>>> for at least another 10 years IS good sense. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not going to happen. >>> >>> We shall see. >>> >>> In USA there *are* some federal regs. Corps >>> trying to get AROUND those might be held >>> guilty/culpable. >>> >> >> I hate to burst your bubble, but the FCC here in the US is a captured >> agency. They've been catering to the industry for years now, and >> especially under the current administration, have only been seeking to >> heavily deregulate and boost industry profits, consumers be damned. >> >> I mentioned earlier that back in March, the FCC released an order >> where they declared they would preempt state requirements that had the >> effect of requiring companies to retain traditional service, as part >> of the FCC's agenda of advancing the "IP transition" and sunsetting POTS. >> >> This is playing out in California right now. AT&T sued the California >> Public Utilities Commission and AG last week and asked the FCC to >> preempt California's requirements that all consumers have access to >> basic voice service. 200,000 customers just got notices that AT&T >> intends to disconnect their service. Separately, there is a >> constitutional amendment being quietly considered to bar the CPUC from >> regulating telecom. AT&T is sure trying to cover its bases... >> >> It's a timely discussion. If you want to keep POTS around, submit >> comments/opposition to the FCC on the relevant dockets until June 22, >> see https://savelandlines.org/ >> >> If you are waiting for some "regulator" to come and save POTS service >> for everyone, you are sadly mistaken. But you can still submit >> comments, make calls, etc. to try to fight back against AT&T and the FCC. > > In Spain, the official minimum internet service the Spanish government > guarantees as part of the Universal Telecommunications Service is 10 > Mbps (<https://avance.digital.gob.es/es-es/servicios/informeuniversal/ > paginas/index.aspx?utm_source=chatgpt.com>). The obligation is currently > provided through Movistar as the designated operator. What they don't > specify is the technology. POTS is out of the picture. > > And they are considering increasing the minimum to 100 Mbps. Hmmm ... had to switch to 5G internet for several annoying reasons. The old Gen2 DSL was actually better. RARELY get 10mbps - I'm too far from the towers, metal roof, reinforced concrete. Tried every place in the house. HAVE seen 'bursts' to 30mbps ... but those only last a few minutes. 5 to 8 mbps is more 'typical'. Less is often seen too alas. NOT sure how Spain is gonna guarentee this fast net to all. LOTS more (subsidized) towers operating at a de-facto loss ??? Typical 'socialist' thinking. I've looked into StarLink. Price isn't TOO bad, but the allowed daily/monthly data consumption is too low for my needs. I often download Linux/etc distros for eval or use - typically 1-4 gigs these days. Many distros can 'update' with a gig more more. Did that several times the last month. The only good bit is that if there's a hurricane with tornadoes and tidal surge and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. MAY buy basic pkg as a 'safety' so I could do simple mail/banking/ordering.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 11:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10vma8l$2rkdb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87357 |
On 02/06/2026 07:58, c186282 wrote: > and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. wanna bet yer life on that? Bhwahahaha... -- Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend. "Saki"
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 22:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <08WdnZbiT4mmE4L3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87363 |
On 6/2/26 06:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 02/06/2026 07:58, c186282 wrote: >> and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. > > wanna bet yer life on that? Bhwahahaha... Well Vlad/Xi *can* get to the satellites :-) A super-massive solar flare can too. One strength of StarLink though is that it is very DISPERSED .... thousands of sats. I think they can kinda do "zig-bee". So still, imho, we need SOME at least domestic layer that's DIFFICULT for Vlad to get at. Not much to do about the solar flare alas ... As mentioned somewhere, you can still do basic TELEGRAPHY over copper pairs. That's very robust 1860 tech. Hey, worst case ... we'd still have SOMETHING.
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| From | InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 22:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10vo3o7$3bkkd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87399 |
On 6/2/2026 10:15 PM, c186282 wrote: > On 6/2/26 06:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 02/06/2026 07:58, c186282 wrote: >>> and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. >> >> wanna bet yer life on that? Bhwahahaha... > > Well Vlad/Xi *can* get to the satellites :-) > > A super-massive solar flare can too. > > One strength of StarLink though is that it > is very DISPERSED .... thousands of sats. > I think they can kinda do "zig-bee". > > So still, imho, we need SOME at least domestic > layer that's DIFFICULT for Vlad to get at. > > Not much to do about the solar flare alas ... > > As mentioned somewhere, you can still do > basic TELEGRAPHY over copper pairs. That's > very robust 1860 tech. Hey, worst case ... > we'd still have SOMETHING. I fully expect that with the total devolution of telephony going on, some people might resort back to doing telephony over barbed wire fences again... and not by choice! It's incredible the kind of double speak that exists today... "progress" and "21st century" really means going back 100+ years in a lot ways, before common battery, and back to when a lot of rural areas lacked phone service because phone companies didn't want to run lines to them, so they ran their own party lines over barbed wire networks... here we go again...
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 02:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <a9qdnfdK25dyV4L3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87402 |
On 6/2/26 22:32, InterLinked wrote: > On 6/2/2026 10:15 PM, c186282 wrote: >> On 6/2/26 06:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 02/06/2026 07:58, c186282 wrote: >>>> and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. >>> >>> wanna bet yer life on that? Bhwahahaha... >> >> Well Vlad/Xi *can* get to the satellites :-) >> >> A super-massive solar flare can too. >> >> One strength of StarLink though is that it >> is very DISPERSED .... thousands of sats. >> I think they can kinda do "zig-bee". >> >> So still, imho, we need SOME at least domestic >> layer that's DIFFICULT for Vlad to get at. >> >> Not much to do about the solar flare alas ... >> >> As mentioned somewhere, you can still do >> basic TELEGRAPHY over copper pairs. That's >> very robust 1860 tech. Hey, worst case ... >> we'd still have SOMETHING. > > I fully expect that with the total devolution of telephony going on, > some people might resort back to doing telephony over barbed wire fences > again... Do NOT entirely disagree with that ! > and not by choice! It's incredible the kind of double speak > that exists today... "progress" and "21st century" really means going > back 100+ years in a lot ways, before common battery, and back to when a > lot of rural areas lacked phone service because phone companies didn't > want to run lines to them, so they ran their own party lines over barbed > wire networks... here we go again... ENDLESS bullshit from the corps about the Great Virtues of nuking the Old Stuff. Sounds SO sane. It's not. Has become VERY clear the past few years how EASILY all the 'modern' stuff can be TRASHED. Vlad/Xi are part of the problem, but Nature is a significant other. "Telegraph" stations DID/CAN work. They'd have to be kind of a per-neighborhood/block thing. The tech, as said, is robust 1860 - relay-based amplifiers. But you have to HAVE some copper Still There. Otherwise, well, 1919 radio tech. Also works even after a huge disaster, but more complicated and less-directed. Find an older AARL Radio manual, even "spark gap" radio is discussed - the how, the equations. LOVE to see that stuff ! It's how to basically hold up comm tech even AFTER a Worst Case situation. Some HAMs also still work TUBE/VALVE radios for fun. Those are mostly immune to EMP or solar flares and you're not gonna HACK them - almost NON-tech. Something BAD is gonna happen - by human or other means. Happens in localities even now, but could become worldwide. Even crappy comm tech can make all the diff between now and the Dark Ages. Early 1800s USA ... you sent mail by crude early trains or horse-mounted delivery guys. Took like two or three WEEKS to get even a short message from NYC to California. Telegraph finally did come along, but 'finally' - and they charged by the word/letter. The Old Shitty World is NOT that far behind us. Current High-Tech is oft TOO sensitive, TOO vulnerable. It's not good policy. "Commercial" may not agree - but govt/mil really OUGHT to know.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 11:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10vp1bb$3igml$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87399 |
On 03/06/2026 03:15, c186282 wrote: > One strength of StarLink though is that it > is very DISPERSED .... thousands of sats. > I think they can kinda do "zig-bee". I wonder if they run OSPF internally? -- "An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out only in others...” Tom Wolfe
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 14:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10vped6$3n936$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87399 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 6/2/26 06:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 02/06/2026 07:58, c186282 wrote: >>> and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. >> >> wanna bet yer life on that? Bhwahahaha... > > > As mentioned somewhere, you can still do basic TELEGRAPHY over > copper pairs. That's very robust 1860 tech. Hey, worst case ... > we'd still have SOMETHING. Yes, but first you need a "copper pair" connecting the two points between which you wish to communicate. And today, those bespoke copper pairs no longer exist (most have been replaced with thin glass strands over which laser light is transmitted, which won't allow for "basic telegraphy"). So you'd have to start by stringing miles upon miles of copper pairs between each location that you wanted to communicate. That's a massive undertaking, which has to happen *before* you can communicate via basic telegraphy.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 09:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10vrd4p$894o$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87442 |
On 03/06/2026 15:40, Rich wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> On 6/2/26 06:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 02/06/2026 07:58, c186282 wrote: >>>> and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. >>> >>> wanna bet yer life on that? Bhwahahaha... >> >> >> As mentioned somewhere, you can still do basic TELEGRAPHY over >> copper pairs. That's very robust 1860 tech. Hey, worst case ... >> we'd still have SOMETHING. > > Yes, but first you need a "copper pair" connecting the two points > between which you wish to communicate. And today, those bespoke copper > pairs no longer exist (most have been replaced with thin glass strands > over which laser light is transmitted, which won't allow for "basic > telegraphy"). > > So you'd have to start by stringing miles upon miles of copper pairs > between each location that you wanted to communicate. That's a massive > undertaking, which has to happen *before* you can communicate via basic > telegraphy. And it is more vulnerable that fibre anyway -- How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. Adolf Hitler
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-29 04:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10vb4pn$3tios$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87217 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Kind of agree with the sentiment that copper should always be at > hand for 'emergency' communications at a minimum. Towers die, cell > contracts expire, copper keeps on going. The legacy copper phones only "kept on going" because POTS (copper) phone service was a highly regulated utility with requirements for upkeep and maintence so that it /would/ just keep on going. Without that upkeep, it eventually falls into disrepair and stops working just like the rest. It's only real difference from towers is fewer possibilities to go wrong when the 'system' is just a long pair of copper wires vs. complex electronics systems for a radio tower (i.e., no capicators to dry out and fail in a long pair of copper wires). Most failures were mechanical (something physically tearing down the wires) or chemical (water infiltration corroding the connection points). But fail it did. If the lines were above ground then tree branches (or automobiles) would take out the lines. If the lines were underground then water infiltration into the conduits would result in noise or nothing working. I had this one myself on my pair once. Line that had been nice and quiet (and worked well for DSL) suddenly sounded like someone was scraping a turntable needle over a vinyl record constantly. Reported it to Verizon, they took some time to fix, but I eventually learned the cause was an underground wiring vault a couple miles away had flooded. In areas with significant winter ice storms and above ground copper then ice storms would routinely take out the copper phones until the wires were repaired. This routinely happened in very rural areas that also got ice storms. But your individual experience dependend upon what happened with your specific pair. If you were lucky and no falling trees, drunk drivers, or ice storms happened to pull down your copper pair, and no leaky underground conduits soaked it, then to you it appeared to be impervious to failure. Reality from the other size (the phone company) viewpoint is that something, somewhere, was always failing and needing repair.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-29 01:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <UYicndKFJtzjuIT3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87255 |
On 5/29/26 00:30, Rich wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> Kind of agree with the sentiment that copper should always be at >> hand for 'emergency' communications at a minimum. Towers die, cell >> contracts expire, copper keeps on going. > > The legacy copper phones only "kept on going" because POTS (copper) > phone service was a highly regulated utility with requirements for > upkeep and maintence so that it /would/ just keep on going. > > Without that upkeep, it eventually falls into disrepair and stops > working just like the rest. Well ... KEEP the requirements ! The USA sill keeps a few old battleships and bombers and such alive - Just In Case. Still supports the HAMs, Just In Case. The THEME of this thread is Tech Redundancy - and that means one or MORE back-layers you can employ - Just In Case. IMHO, those who do NOT have "Just In Case" hardwired in are DOOMED if the shit hits the fan. Does starving/rotting to death sound good to you ??? The AARL handbook even includes Spark-Gap transmitters/receivers - 1899 tech. Ya NEVER KNOW when things might suddenly get SO SHITTY that such methods are All That's Left. Frankly I see every copper pair as a Potential Asset. "They" shouldn't be ALLOWED to pull it all out. > It's only real difference from towers is fewer possibilities to go > wrong when the 'system' is just a long pair of copper wires vs. complex > electronics systems for a radio tower (i.e., no capicators to dry out > and fail in a long pair of copper wires). Most failures were > mechanical (something physically tearing down the wires) or chemical > (water infiltration corroding the connection points). I've EXPERIENCED tower networks Going DOWN ... they have maybe three days worth of power backup. Then it's 1826 again. But copper KEEPS WORKING. Simple and sure. > But fail it did. If the lines were above ground then tree branches (or > automobiles) would take out the lines. If the lines were underground > then water infiltration into the conduits would result in noise or > nothing working. I had this one myself on my pair once. Line that had > been nice and quiet (and worked well for DSL) suddenly sounded like > someone was scraping a turntable needle over a vinyl record constantly. > Reported it to Verizon, they took some time to fix, but I eventually > learned the cause was an underground wiring vault a couple miles away > had flooded. > > In areas with significant winter ice storms and above ground copper > then ice storms would routinely take out the copper phones until the > wires were repaired. This routinely happened in very rural areas that > also got ice storms. > > But your individual experience dependend upon what happened with your > specific pair. If you were lucky and no falling trees, drunk drivers, > or ice storms happened to pull down your copper pair, and no leaky > underground conduits soaked it, then to you it appeared to be > impervious to failure. Reality from the other size (the phone company) > viewpoint is that something, somewhere, was always failing and needing > repair. I do understand the basics here ... copper CAN be a pain in the ass sometimes. However it's EASY to fix, nice LOW tech. Don't throw it away. I've been in Total Disaster zones TWICE in my life. ALL infrastructure TRASHED. No communications. However the COPPER either stays up, or comes BACK up first. The lower-tech aspect is a POSITIVE. Until we have like 'sub-space radio' as a USB dongle, KEEP most of the copper. The theme of this thread is "REDUNDANCY" - and it's an IMPORTANT thing. Very important. Should add "alt.survival" to the groups .....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-29 06:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n7sqf4Fu3pfU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87260 |
On Fri, 29 May 2026 01:34:37 -0400, c186282 wrote: > The AARL handbook even includes Spark-Gap transmitters/receivers - > 1899 tech. Ya NEVER KNOW when things might suddenly get SO SHITTY that > such methods are All That's Left. My code needs a little brush up. It never came easy but I did manage to get good enough to get the Advanced ticket. I still am Advanced. It's grandfathered in although it doesn't exist anymore. Extra is more administrative than tech so I never bothered to get it even after they dropped code.
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