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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200 |
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Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 08:46 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 09:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:35 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 16:17 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 00:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-27 00:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-28 10:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:41 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:04 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:42 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 15:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 21:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 11:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 17:24 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:37 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 22:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 23:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-31 21:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:15 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 18:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-02 01:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 03:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:26 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 17:25 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 20:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:30 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:24 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:04 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:15 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:19 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:34 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-04 08:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 17:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 14:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:07 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 17:17 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 00:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:26 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 23:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 03:05 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 01:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 02:58 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 11:11 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:32 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:33 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:57 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-29 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 05:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 03:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 07:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-01 04:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 19:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 10:49 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 18:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 13:05 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:13 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-03 18:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-02 17:44 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 17:54 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 21:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:41 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 01:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:53 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 10:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 12:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 11:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 15:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 02:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 19:18 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 21:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 12:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-05 11:55 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 22:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:51 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:56 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 01:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:03 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:02 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:31 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:31 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-30 09:09 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:17 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-31 07:33 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:28 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:58 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 20:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 14:02 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 08:54 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 05:04 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:54 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-28 09:15 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:29 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-29 02:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 14:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 04:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 23:41 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 17:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 22:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 04:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:32 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 00:27 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:13 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:12 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:08 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:33 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:45 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:39 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:21 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 22:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 09:05 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 08:19 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:20 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 20:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-28 21:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:30 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:29 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:18 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-02 17:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 15:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:03 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:22 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:39 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:48 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 01:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:00 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Worst Case" <fritz@spamexpire-202605.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 08:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n8cn5eF9f0eU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87469 |
Rich wrote: > In the US, both Debit and Credit cards work very similarily (from the > customer using the card point of view) other than Debit cards often > require entry of a PIN as part of the transaction. Last time I was there (in 2002) all my cards were chip and PIN, but all payments still used magstripe, also there was the alien concept of having to press a credit or debit button first, but sometimes I had to press the "wrong" button for the type of card to get it to work ...
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10vre51$8f0a$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87487 |
On 2026-06-04, Andy Burns wrote: > Rich wrote: > >> In the US, both Debit and Credit cards work very similarily (from the >> customer using the card point of view) other than Debit cards often >> require entry of a PIN as part of the transaction. > > Last time I was there (in 2002) all my cards were chip and PIN, but > all payments still used magstripe, also there was the alien concept of > having to press a credit or debit button first, but sometimes I had to > press the "wrong" button for the type of card to get it to work ... This usually has more to do with terminal payments and local regulations. IIRC some countries say you don't need PIN for credit cards, others have waived that and required signature for magstripe, while requiring PIN for "chip" transactions. The smartcards have to support all of this and IIRC this is what was taken advantage of in a proof-of-concept attempt to have a card (or was it the payment terminal) accept an incorrect PIN many years ago. .pt in the past had terminals choosing one payment method as default, but then changed (possibly by EU rules?) to always give the menu when a card offers more than one payment method. Most debit cards issued there are dual-network (SIBS Multibanco and usually one of Visa or Mastercard), so I guess this meant national cards started seeing that menu. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 10:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <N_WdnR-fmcYSELz3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87487 |
On 6/4/26 03:18, Andy Burns wrote: > Rich wrote: > >> In the US, both Debit and Credit cards work very similarily (from the >> customer using the card point of view) other than Debit cards often >> require entry of a PIN as part of the transaction. > > Last time I was there (in 2002) all my cards were chip and PIN, but all > payments still used magstripe, also there was the alien concept of > having to press a credit or debit button first, but sometimes I had to > press the "wrong" button for the type of card to get it to work ... Individual biz varied more "back then". Took a little while for them to decide what was in their fiscal interests to use. NOW they seem to take anything, and you can run it Debit or CCard, PIN or No-PIN respectively. Most still have terminals that CAN do mag stripe, but chip-reading (by insertion or 'tapping') is the most common approach. And yes, they still do cash. GETTING paid is better than fretting about the cost of the transaction terminals. They still DON'T do gold or sliver alas. At least in Florida, gold now IS considered legal tender, but the price of machines to VERIFY the weight/quality is too high compared to the number of people likely to come in with gold doubloons.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 17:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8dsm8FfaguU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87497 |
On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 10:36:46 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Individual biz varied more "back then". Took a little while for them > to decide what was in their fiscal interests to use. NOW they seem to > take anything, and you can run it Debit or CCard, PIN or No-PIN > respectively. > Most still have terminals that CAN do mag stripe, but chip-reading > (by insertion or 'tapping') is the most common approach. And yes, > they still do cash. GETTING paid is better than fretting about the > cost of the transaction terminals. I use cash for groceries and usually go through the self checkout line. I seldom go to WinCo even though their prices are good because the traffic pattern is a pain. I had some items and the cash lines were long so I figured I would use the card line. My card was declined. Turns out when they say debit card they mean only debit cards since the swipe fee is much lower than a credit card. I wasn't thinking since the card I use for the ATM is a debit card but that's all I ever use it for. Another market capitalized on the 'OMG they aren't going to make pennies anymore!' by turning the self checkout lanes into card only. Pisses me off since the other store in town deal with it. One did the logical thing and rounds off. Sometimes you save 2 cents, sometimes you pay 2 cents more. BFD.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 14:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7rKdnYJeqpD9V7z3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87506 |
On 6/4/26 13:58, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 10:36:46 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Individual biz varied more "back then". Took a little while for them >> to decide what was in their fiscal interests to use. NOW they seem to >> take anything, and you can run it Debit or CCard, PIN or No-PIN >> respectively. >> Most still have terminals that CAN do mag stripe, but chip-reading >> (by insertion or 'tapping') is the most common approach. And yes, >> they still do cash. GETTING paid is better than fretting about the >> cost of the transaction terminals. > > I use cash for groceries and usually go through the self checkout line. I > seldom go to WinCo even though their prices are good because the traffic > pattern is a pain. I had some items and the cash lines were long so I > figured I would use the card line. My card was declined. Turns out when > they say debit card they mean only debit cards since the swipe fee is much > lower than a credit card. I *never* use 'self-checkout' - they ALWAYS think customers are stealing stuff. If somebody just doesn't like your face or shoes they'll have the cops come and arrest you for shoplifting and strip searched. There have been MANY complaints and even lawsuits. I read that WalMart is REMOVING this option from a number of its stores. > I wasn't thinking since the card I use for the ATM is a debit card but > that's all I ever use it for. Debit cards are likely the best overall option - UNLESS you're one of those people perpetually in debt and HAVE to incrementally pay a CCard because you don't have three dollars in yer checking account. > Another market capitalized on the 'OMG they aren't going to make pennies > anymore!' by turning the self checkout lanes into card only. Pisses me off > since the other store in town deal with it. One did the logical thing and > rounds off. Sometimes you save 2 cents, sometimes you pay 2 cents more. > BFD. The 'pennies' thing - nobody is going to be happy with it EXCEPT the Treasury. Admittedly they're NOT worth the cost of making anymore, but transactions almost never add up to exact multiples of five cents. Pennies are SO useless otherwise .... I've suggested some kind of PLASTIC penny instead with a tiny little strip of 'hologram' tape inside.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 22:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8eb8tFg3jkU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87513 |
On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 14:56:32 -0400, c186282 wrote: > I *never* use 'self-checkout' - they ALWAYS think customers are > stealing stuff. If somebody just doesn't like your face or shoes > they'll have the cops come and arrest you for shoplifting and strip > searched. There have been MANY complaints and even lawsuits. I read > that WalMart is REMOVING this option from a number of its stores. What ssort of shit hole do you live in? Is it the sort of place where videos of 'youths' stealing stuff are filmed? I don't know about the local Walmarts. I might go into one every other year. It's my retailer of last resort.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 22:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lNCcneQBefCfr7_3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87517 |
On 6/4/26 18:07, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 14:56:32 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> I *never* use 'self-checkout' - they ALWAYS think customers are >> stealing stuff. If somebody just doesn't like your face or shoes >> they'll have the cops come and arrest you for shoplifting and strip >> searched. There have been MANY complaints and even lawsuits. I read >> that WalMart is REMOVING this option from a number of its stores. > > What sort of shit hole do you live in? Real world. Yep, a shit-hole, as always. > Is it the sort of place where > videos of 'youths' stealing stuff are filmed? I don't know about the local > Walmarts. I might go into one every other year. It's my retailer of last > resort. Isn't just "youths" alas. The problem here is that 'self-checkout' is basically 'TRUST checkout' ... but the stores don't REALLY trust anyone anymore, for too many good reasons. Ergo, you're just setting yourself up by using "self". Well, WalMart isn't THAT bad - good selection of basic stuff for affordable prices. But the SHOPPING ENVIRONMENT could be improved. Gimme HUMAN checkers !!!
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 03:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8euppFl49dU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87521 |
On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 22:18:33 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Well, WalMart isn't THAT bad - good selection of basic stuff for > affordable prices. But the SHOPPING ENVIRONMENT could be improved. > Gimme HUMAN checkers !!! My infrequent trips to Walmart are a lesson in why 'white pride' isn't a viable concept.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 00:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lNCcneMBefBUzb_3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87527 |
On 6/4/26 23:40, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 22:18:33 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Well, WalMart isn't THAT bad - good selection of basic stuff for >> affordable prices. But the SHOPPING ENVIRONMENT could be improved. >> Gimme HUMAN checkers !!! > > My infrequent trips to Walmart are a lesson in why 'white pride' isn't a > viable concept. Umm ... a proportional number of customers I've seen are not "white" ...... Anyway, as said, basic "stuff" at basic prices. If you are not overflowing with cash, might not be your last possible stop. CAN be a tad inconvenient to get around the 400-lb Billy-Bobs/Barbs sometimes though ....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 07:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8faqoFl49dU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87533 |
On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 00:29:52 -0400, c186282 wrote: > On 6/4/26 23:40, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 22:18:33 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Well, WalMart isn't THAT bad - good selection of basic stuff for >>> affordable prices. But the SHOPPING ENVIRONMENT could be improved. >>> Gimme HUMAN checkers !!! >> >> My infrequent trips to Walmart are a lesson in why 'white pride' isn't >> a viable concept. > > Umm ... a proportional number of customers I've seen are not "white" > ...... When blacks make up 0.7% of the population in the state you don't see many although it has become more 'diverse' in the last 35 years. Asians beat them at 1.0%. Indians are the largest minority but many of them don't stray far from the ez. > Anyway, as said, basic "stuff" at basic prices. If you are not > overflowing with cash, might not be your last possible stop. CAN be a > tad inconvenient to get around the 400-lb Billy-Bobs/Barbs sometimes > though .... That's what I had in mind. The area is big on outdoor recreation but if you're into spudbutts Walmart is the place to be. I'll admit that without Walmart and it's cheap Chinese stuff many Americans would be well and truly screwed. I used to wear Herman Survivor boots. Like most of the shoe shops in New Hampshire and Maine they didn't survive offshoring. Walmart bought the brand name and enshitified it. Yeah, they sold for $50 but were worth less.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 04:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8LudnQZ4SMt8Gb_3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87542 |
On 6/5/26 03:06, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 00:29:52 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> On 6/4/26 23:40, rbowman wrote: >>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 22:18:33 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Well, WalMart isn't THAT bad - good selection of basic stuff for >>>> affordable prices. But the SHOPPING ENVIRONMENT could be improved. >>>> Gimme HUMAN checkers !!! >>> >>> My infrequent trips to Walmart are a lesson in why 'white pride' isn't >>> a viable concept. >> >> Umm ... a proportional number of customers I've seen are not "white" >> ...... > > When blacks make up 0.7% of the population in the state you don't see many > although it has become more 'diverse' in the last 35 years. Asians beat > them at 1.0%. Indians are the largest minority but many of them don't > stray far from the ez. > > >> Anyway, as said, basic "stuff" at basic prices. If you are not >> overflowing with cash, might not be your last possible stop. CAN be a >> tad inconvenient to get around the 400-lb Billy-Bobs/Barbs sometimes >> though .... > > That's what I had in mind. The area is big on outdoor recreation but if > you're into spudbutts Walmart is the place to be. I'll admit that without > Walmart and it's cheap Chinese stuff many Americans would be well and > truly screwed. > > I used to wear Herman Survivor boots. Like most of the shoe shops in New > Hampshire and Maine they didn't survive offshoring. Walmart bought the > brand name and enshitified it. Yeah, they sold for $50 but were worth > less. Kinda know what you mean. Used to buy work/motorcycle boots at an 'elite' store. Then suddenly saw them elsewhere for less. Thing is, reading the little labels, they'd changed where they MADE them to a cheaper locale. Could not wear the things ... aggressive out-of-place stitching would put blisters on yer feet. Pity, they WERE great boots. However the Bates E-series are worthy replacements. As for WalMart ... yea ... you ARE more likely to see the people in the electric scoots - because they can't walk at 400+ pounds. BUT, doesn't mean they're BAD people ... just can't Not Eat.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 17:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8gekfFs52cU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87544 |
On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 04:11:59 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Used to buy work/motorcycle boots at an 'elite' store. Then suddenly > saw them elsewhere for less. Thing is, reading the little labels, > they'd changed where they MADE them to a cheaper locale. Could not > wear the things ... aggressive out-of-place stitching would put > blisters on yer feet. A independent shoe store in town carried Red Wings and I liked them. The ones they carried were made in the USA, not 'assembled from imported components' but they dropped the line. They were work boots so the soles weren't as aggressive as hiking boots but they worked. I switched to Danners. Some of them are still made in the US but they are hard to find. The US Mountain Light is $470, the imported Mountain 600 is $230. I'm not that much of a purist and the imports are well made and comfortable. I'm on my second pair. I use the first pair for working around the house but the soles are so worn they started getting slippery on the trail. I've tried other brands over the years. They weren't cheap but a couple of times I've given them away. One pair was so painful I took them off and walked down the trail barefoot.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 00:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <EwoUR.96101$yrMe.56470@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #87513 |
On 2026-06-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 6/4/26 13:58, rbowman wrote: > >> On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 10:36:46 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Individual biz varied more "back then". Took a little while for them >>> to decide what was in their fiscal interests to use. NOW they seem to >>> take anything, and you can run it Debit or CCard, PIN or No-PIN >>> respectively. >>> Most still have terminals that CAN do mag stripe, but chip-reading >>> (by insertion or 'tapping') is the most common approach. And yes, >>> they still do cash. GETTING paid is better than fretting about the >>> cost of the transaction terminals. >> >> I use cash for groceries and usually go through the self checkout line. I >> seldom go to WinCo even though their prices are good because the traffic >> pattern is a pain. I had some items and the cash lines were long so I >> figured I would use the card line. My card was declined. Turns out when >> they say debit card they mean only debit cards since the swipe fee is much >> lower than a credit card. > > I *never* use 'self-checkout' - they ALWAYS think > customers are stealing stuff. If somebody just doesn't > like your face or shoes they'll have the cops come > and arrest you for shoplifting and strip searched. There > have been MANY complaints and even lawsuits. I read that > WalMart is REMOVING this option from a number of its stores. I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the scale, or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - it gives them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. >> I wasn't thinking since the card I use for the ATM is a debit card >> but that's all I ever use it for. > > Debit cards are likely the best overall option - UNLESS > you're one of those people perpetually in debt and HAVE > to incrementally pay a CCard because you don't have three > dollars in yer checking account. We usually use credit cards, but only because we get bonus points that translate into (a small number of) real dollars from time to time. We do use debit cards when it's more beneficial, though. >> Another market capitalized on the 'OMG they aren't going to make pennies >> anymore!' by turning the self checkout lanes into card only. Pisses me off >> since the other store in town deal with it. One did the logical thing and >> rounds off. Sometimes you save 2 cents, sometimes you pay 2 cents more. >> BFD. > > The 'pennies' thing - nobody is going to be happy with > it EXCEPT the Treasury. Admittedly they're NOT worth > the cost of making anymore, but transactions almost > never add up to exact multiples of five cents. > > Pennies are SO useless otherwise .... I've suggested > some kind of PLASTIC penny instead with a tiny little > strip of 'hologram' tape inside. Canada got rid of pennies years ago. People have come to accept the rounding thing - it all averages out in the end. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 03:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1124fkv.m89.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #87520 |
On 2026-06-05, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-06-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 6/4/26 13:58, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 10:36:46 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Individual biz varied more "back then". Took a little while for them >>>> to decide what was in their fiscal interests to use. NOW they seem to >>>> take anything, and you can run it Debit or CCard, PIN or No-PIN >>>> respectively. >>>> Most still have terminals that CAN do mag stripe, but chip-reading >>>> (by insertion or 'tapping') is the most common approach. And yes, >>>> they still do cash. GETTING paid is better than fretting about the >>>> cost of the transaction terminals. >>> >>> I use cash for groceries and usually go through the self checkout line. I >>> seldom go to WinCo even though their prices are good because the traffic >>> pattern is a pain. I had some items and the cash lines were long so I >>> figured I would use the card line. My card was declined. Turns out when >>> they say debit card they mean only debit cards since the swipe fee is much >>> lower than a credit card. Ahhhh, WinCo Foods. I was a regular from the mid-1980s. Then, early on in the Wuhan scamdemic they suddenly started treating customers like inmates in a high-security prison. I get my groceries elsewhere, now. Prices might be higher, but I save at least that much in the gasoline it had been costing me to get to WinCo. >> I *never* use 'self-checkout' - they ALWAYS think >> customers are stealing stuff. If somebody just doesn't >> like your face or shoes they'll have the cops come >> and arrest you for shoplifting and strip searched. There >> have been MANY complaints and even lawsuits. I read that >> WalMart is REMOVING this option from a number of its stores. > > I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a > mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the > scale, or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, > etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - > it gives them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. Self-checkout at Home Despot was the worst. When buying a plastic packet of a half dozen #8 flat washers, the scale wouldn't register that I had dropped the merchandise in the bag. My preferred solution to that is to press on the scale with my hand when dropping smaller items in the bag. Oh, yes, and in the People's Republic of Oregon, 1-mil plastic (and now 3-mil, IIUC) are outlawed. I bring my own paper bags that I had custom printed. >>> I wasn't thinking since the card I use for the ATM is a debit card >>> but that's all I ever use it for. >> >> Debit cards are likely the best overall option - UNLESS >> you're one of those people perpetually in debt and HAVE >> to incrementally pay a CCard because you don't have three >> dollars in yer checking account. > > We usually use credit cards, but only because we get bonus points > that translate into (a small number of) real dollars from time to > time. We do use debit cards when it's more beneficial, though. > >>> Another market capitalized on the 'OMG they aren't going to make pennies >>> anymore!' by turning the self checkout lanes into card only. Pisses me off >>> since the other store in town deal with it. One did the logical thing and >>> rounds off. Sometimes you save 2 cents, sometimes you pay 2 cents more. >>> BFD. >> >> The 'pennies' thing - nobody is going to be happy with >> it EXCEPT the Treasury. Admittedly they're NOT worth >> the cost of making anymore, but transactions almost >> never add up to exact multiples of five cents. >> >> Pennies are SO useless otherwise .... I've suggested >> some kind of PLASTIC penny instead with a tiny little >> strip of 'hologram' tape inside. > > Canada got rid of pennies years ago. People have come to > accept the rounding thing - it all averages out in the end. The penny thing is interesting. In western Oregon, some retailers promptly stopped touching pennies because their banks refused to supply pennies to the retailers. However, just a couple of months ago an employee (appeared to be a manager) at a retailer in Baker City in eastern Oregon said there was no penny shortage. My theory is local/regional banks are artificially making the penny shortage more severe than it would naturally be. The people I feel sorry for in the penny situation are those who work in shoe stores, because each shoe store has to replace their entire inventory of penny loafers with nickel loafers. :-) :-) -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 00:15 -0400 |
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On 6/4/26 23:12, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-06-05, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-06-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> On 6/4/26 13:58, rbowman wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 10:36:46 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>> >>>>> Individual biz varied more "back then". Took a little while for them >>>>> to decide what was in their fiscal interests to use. NOW they seem to >>>>> take anything, and you can run it Debit or CCard, PIN or No-PIN >>>>> respectively. >>>>> Most still have terminals that CAN do mag stripe, but chip-reading >>>>> (by insertion or 'tapping') is the most common approach. And yes, >>>>> they still do cash. GETTING paid is better than fretting about the >>>>> cost of the transaction terminals. >>>> >>>> I use cash for groceries and usually go through the self checkout line. I >>>> seldom go to WinCo even though their prices are good because the traffic >>>> pattern is a pain. I had some items and the cash lines were long so I >>>> figured I would use the card line. My card was declined. Turns out when >>>> they say debit card they mean only debit cards since the swipe fee is much >>>> lower than a credit card. > > Ahhhh, WinCo Foods. I was a regular from the mid-1980s. Then, > early on in the Wuhan scamdemic they suddenly started treating > customers like inmates in a high-security prison. I get my > groceries elsewhere, now. Prices might be higher, but I save at > least that much in the gasoline it had been costing me to get to > WinCo. > >>> I *never* use 'self-checkout' - they ALWAYS think >>> customers are stealing stuff. If somebody just doesn't >>> like your face or shoes they'll have the cops come >>> and arrest you for shoplifting and strip searched. There >>> have been MANY complaints and even lawsuits. I read that >>> WalMart is REMOVING this option from a number of its stores. >> >> I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a >> mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the >> scale, or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, >> etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - >> it gives them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. > > Self-checkout at Home Despot was the worst. When buying a > plastic packet of a half dozen #8 flat washers, the scale > wouldn't register that I had dropped the merchandise in the bag. > My preferred solution to that is to press on the scale with my > hand when dropping smaller items in the bag. Actually, tried "self" AT a Home Despot - the one and ONLY time. Wound up leaving all the stuff on the counter, told 'em where to stuff it. I could see all the downsides instantly. The weird thing, 'self' ALWAYS has a human OVERSEEING the proceedings. Why not just give 'em a check-out terminal and do it in the usual fashion ??? Home Despot developed other prejudices against me after that ... probably put me into some face-ID system ... won't buy there again. Even check to see if Amazon is using them as a source. Fuck 'em. Lowes or True Value variants are better. There are also a few independents in my area. > Oh, yes, and in the People's Republic of Oregon, 1-mil plastic > (and now 3-mil, IIUC) are outlawed. I bring my own paper bags > that I had custom printed. Greenie Gone Gaga ..... Plastic bags are BEST for keeping food SAFE. If you ever get ANY kind of food-related illness, SUE Oregon state and the store. >>>> I wasn't thinking since the card I use for the ATM is a debit card >>>> but that's all I ever use it for. >>> >>> Debit cards are likely the best overall option - UNLESS >>> you're one of those people perpetually in debt and HAVE >>> to incrementally pay a CCard because you don't have three >>> dollars in yer checking account. >> >> We usually use credit cards, but only because we get bonus points >> that translate into (a small number of) real dollars from time to >> time. We do use debit cards when it's more beneficial, though. >> >>>> Another market capitalized on the 'OMG they aren't going to make pennies >>>> anymore!' by turning the self checkout lanes into card only. Pisses me off >>>> since the other store in town deal with it. One did the logical thing and >>>> rounds off. Sometimes you save 2 cents, sometimes you pay 2 cents more. >>>> BFD. >>> >>> The 'pennies' thing - nobody is going to be happy with >>> it EXCEPT the Treasury. Admittedly they're NOT worth >>> the cost of making anymore, but transactions almost >>> never add up to exact multiples of five cents. >>> >>> Pennies are SO useless otherwise .... I've suggested >>> some kind of PLASTIC penny instead with a tiny little >>> strip of 'hologram' tape inside. >> >> Canada got rid of pennies years ago. People have come to >> accept the rounding thing - it all averages out in the end. > > The penny thing is interesting. In western Oregon, some > retailers promptly stopped touching pennies because their banks > refused to supply pennies to the retailers. However, just a > couple of months ago an employee (appeared to be a manager) at a > retailer in Baker City in eastern Oregon said there was no penny > shortage. My theory is local/regional banks are artificially > making the penny shortage more severe than it would naturally be. > > The people I feel sorry for in the penny situation are those who > work in shoe stores, because each shoe store has to replace their > entire inventory of penny loafers with nickel loafers. :-) :-) There's a practically infinite penny supply out there. I have BIG plastic jugs FULL of them. And dimes nickels and quarters, even cans full of dollar bills I'll never use unless horribly destitute (like in my youth). My designated inheritors can deal with them. They rarely talk to me anyway, the Weird Cousin, so I don't feel THAT bad about the inconvenience. Not sure why they don't think about code/tech all the time - who's "weird" ? :-) DO check yer pennies before bulk cash-in though, SOME are 'rare' and can be worth a fair amount to collectors. If you can score a WW-2 steel penny you're in the $$$. Tarnished they can look much like a tarnished copper penny. If it LOOKS "old", check further. Occasionally come across a SILVER dime or quarter - you can immediately tell by the sound. "Got some change in my pocket, going jing-a-ling-a-ling ..." Modern US coins don't "jingle". My Dad was once given a dime-sized gold Krugerrand coin as change. Condition kinda bad, but ... And pre-zinc pennies, well, guess they're worth the price of the copper regardless, now more than a penny.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 04:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8f1erFl49dU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87523 |
On 5 Jun 2026 03:12:31 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > Ahhhh, WinCo Foods. I was a regular from the mid-1980s. Then, early on > in the Wuhan scamdemic they suddenly started treating customers like > inmates in a high-security prison. I get my groceries elsewhere, now. > Prices might be higher, but I save at least that much in the gasoline it > had been costing me to get to WinCo. I don't go there that often, mostly in search of pork hocks, chicken gizzards, or other specialty meats the other markets don't carry. Even finding liver is a chore. WinCo is on the south side of a busy street, Rosauers is directly across on the north side. I come in from the west and making a left across one lane and then leaving going west is much easier. Winco is easier to turn into and a bear to escape. Besides, Rosauers has a machine to grind your own almond butter and WinCo only has one for peanuts. > Oh, yes, and in the People's Republic of Oregon, 1-mil plastic (and now > 3-mil, IIUC) are outlawed. I bring my own paper bags that I had custom > printed. Ah, the land of 'don't touch that gas pump'. I did notice if you're on a bike they ignore that. Last time I was in the state the eastern counties where there aren't enough people to provide pump attendants the law didn't apply. > The penny thing is interesting. In western Oregon, some retailers > promptly stopped touching pennies because their banks refused to supply > pennies to the retailers. However, just a couple of months ago an > employee (appeared to be a manager) at a retailer in Baker City in > eastern Oregon said there was no penny shortage. My theory is > local/regional banks are artificially making the penny shortage more > severe than it would naturally be. Albertson's seem to have a magical supply of pennies as do some other businesses. Rosauer's is the only one that went to credit cards only for self checkout. I go through the manned lines and I think you get pennies in change. I smell an ulterior motive although why they'd rather pay the swipe fees instead of maintaining the machines escapes me. Then there is Yoke's. I haven't been through a manned checkout in a while but they used to give out $2 bills in change. That had to be a special request to the bank. They're pristine so I use them for bookmarks. > The people I feel sorry for in the penny situation are those who work in > shoe stores, because each shoe store has to replace their entire > inventory of penny loafers with nickel loafers. I could set them up with some pennies. The CoinStar machines used to have Amazon gift cards with no charge for the conversion. They still have a number of gift card options but nothing I can use. Trivia: I drove OTR for a while in the '90s and loaded pennies at the Denver mint. They didn't even bother sealing the trailer. I spent the time between Denver and San Francisco wondering what you could do with 44,000 pounds of pennies. They were casual about nickles and dimes too but quarters they took seriously. The company had an armored tractor and a special trailer disguised as a reefer for those. The only thing I could think of is if you melted the pennies you'd have something like the zamak alloy if you wanted to do some spin casting.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 23:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lNCcneEBefAn2b_3nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87520 |
On 6/4/26 20:13, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 6/4/26 13:58, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 10:36:46 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Individual biz varied more "back then". Took a little while for them >>>> to decide what was in their fiscal interests to use. NOW they seem to >>>> take anything, and you can run it Debit or CCard, PIN or No-PIN >>>> respectively. >>>> Most still have terminals that CAN do mag stripe, but chip-reading >>>> (by insertion or 'tapping') is the most common approach. And yes, >>>> they still do cash. GETTING paid is better than fretting about the >>>> cost of the transaction terminals. >>> >>> I use cash for groceries and usually go through the self checkout line. I >>> seldom go to WinCo even though their prices are good because the traffic >>> pattern is a pain. I had some items and the cash lines were long so I >>> figured I would use the card line. My card was declined. Turns out when >>> they say debit card they mean only debit cards since the swipe fee is much >>> lower than a credit card. >> >> I *never* use 'self-checkout' - they ALWAYS think >> customers are stealing stuff. If somebody just doesn't >> like your face or shoes they'll have the cops come >> and arrest you for shoplifting and strip searched. There >> have been MANY complaints and even lawsuits. I read that >> WalMart is REMOVING this option from a number of its stores. > > I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a> mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the > scale, or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, > etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - > it gives them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. My sentiments and more. And if something doesn't get registered, it's the CHECKERS fault, not mine. I go to the food store maybe every ten days to get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half of that is my fav, cashew nuts). It's always "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" and go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say "Hi !", get to watch each item individually scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" and get a little smile. MUCH better. Alas by many reports, Gen-Z/A2 are TERRIFIED to actually interact with strange humans, even over a phone line. Dunno WHAT'S behind that but it's pretty damned bad. A few weeks back a pleasant little bagger gal commented on the Archeology mag I bought - she was pretty sharp and the short exchange made me feel good. Gen-Z might have freaked at her 'rude judgemental intrusion' into their precious insular 'space'. >>> I wasn't thinking since the card I use for the ATM is a debit card >>> but that's all I ever use it for. >> >> Debit cards are likely the best overall option - UNLESS >> you're one of those people perpetually in debt and HAVE >> to incrementally pay a CCard because you don't have three >> dollars in yer checking account. > > We usually use credit cards, but only because we get bonus points > that translate into (a small number of) real dollars from time to > time. We do use debit cards when it's more beneficial, though. I've never used 'bonus points' ever. And really never use the CCard for anything but online payments. Hey, SKIP the 'bonus' bullshit ... just lower the price a little and be done with it. One store I go to always wants me to put in my phone number. WON'T. "But you will save x-dollars!". My reply is the same - "They're not giving discounts unless they expect to make MORE off me some way". >>> Another market capitalized on the 'OMG they aren't going to make pennies >>> anymore!' by turning the self checkout lanes into card only. Pisses me off >>> since the other store in town deal with it. One did the logical thing and >>> rounds off. Sometimes you save 2 cents, sometimes you pay 2 cents more. >>> BFD. >> >> The 'pennies' thing - nobody is going to be happy with >> it EXCEPT the Treasury. Admittedly they're NOT worth >> the cost of making anymore, but transactions almost >> never add up to exact multiples of five cents. >> >> Pennies are SO useless otherwise .... I've suggested >> some kind of PLASTIC penny instead with a tiny little >> strip of 'hologram' tape inside. > > Canada got rid of pennies years ago. People have come to > accept the rounding thing - it all averages out in the end. In theory yes ... half the time YOU eat the diff, the other half of the time the store eats the diff. However the logical 'average' though, customers CHAFE at the idea of being 'cheated' out of a couple of pennies every time it happens. Still think my 'plastic penny' idea has merit here. Ultra-cheap and makes people FEEL like they're not being cheated. Familiar with ISDN numbers ... usually found on books ? It's a long number to which is applied some complex math formula. This verifies that it's an ACCURATE number when the math adds up Just So. Put something like that in the plastic penny 'holo-ribbon' and only issue x-many pennies with that number. If MORE start to show up, forgeries, banks PULL and INVALIDATE that series. Melt 'em down and re-mold. Not an 'instant' process, but 'longer term forgery moderation'. As it's only pennies, forgeries are not gonna add up to a huge amount. Oh, also a GREAT way to re-cycle those PET water bottles :-)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 06:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8f9q0Fl49dU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87526 |
On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 23:38:25 -0400, c186282 wrote: > I go to the food store maybe every ten days to > get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half of that is my fav, > cashew nuts). It's always "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" > and go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say "Hi !", get to watch > each item individually scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" > and get a little smile. MUCH better. Most of the stores in town don't have a 'n items or less' aisle anymore.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 03:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Jz-dneYY7bWy6L_3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87540 |
On 6/5/26 02:48, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 23:38:25 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> I go to the food store maybe every ten days to >> get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half of that is my fav, >> cashew nuts). It's always "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" >> and go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say "Hi !", get to watch >> each item individually scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" >> and get a little smile. MUCH better. > > Most of the stores in town don't have a 'n items or less' aisle anymore. Gee, UNfriendly town !!! Sorry, gonna keep using HUMAN checkers. Any place that gets rid of them I won't shop there anymore.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <elFUR.38656$SHu9.38203@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #87526 |
On 2026-06-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > I go to the food store maybe every ten days to > get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half > of that is my fav, cashew nuts). It's always > "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" and > go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say > "Hi !", get to watch each item individually > scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" > and get a little smile. MUCH better. +1 > Alas by many reports, Gen-Z/A2 are TERRIFIED to > actually interact with strange humans, even over > a phone line. Dunno WHAT'S behind that but it's > pretty damned bad. Weird. > A few weeks back a pleasant little bagger gal > commented on the Archeology mag I bought - she > was pretty sharp and the short exchange made > me feel good. Gen-Z might have freaked at > her 'rude judgemental intrusion' into their > precious insular 'space'. When we're at the pub, my wife often strikes up a conversation with the waitress while we're paying our bill. She's good at getting someone's life history out of them. Many of these people are there to pay the bills while going to school - and taking interesting and useful courses, not just fluff. It's reassuring to see that at least some people are trying to make something of their lives. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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