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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200 |
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Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 08:46 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 09:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:35 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 16:17 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 00:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-27 00:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-28 10:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:41 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:04 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:42 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 15:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 21:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 11:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 17:24 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:37 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 22:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 23:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-31 21:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:15 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 18:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-02 01:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 03:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:26 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 17:25 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 20:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:30 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:24 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:04 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:15 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:19 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:34 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-04 08:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 17:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 14:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:07 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 17:17 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 00:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:26 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-06 03:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 23:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 03:05 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 02:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 01:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 02:58 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 11:11 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:32 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:33 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:57 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-29 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 05:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 03:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 07:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-01 04:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 19:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 10:49 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 18:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 13:05 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:13 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-03 18:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-02 17:44 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 17:54 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 21:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:41 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 01:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:53 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 10:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 12:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 11:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 15:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 02:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 19:18 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 21:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 12:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-05 11:55 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 22:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 00:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:43 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:51 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:56 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 01:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:03 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:02 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:31 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:31 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-30 09:09 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:17 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-31 07:33 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:28 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:58 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 20:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 14:02 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 08:54 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 05:04 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:54 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-28 09:15 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:29 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-29 02:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 14:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 04:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 23:41 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 17:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 22:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 04:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:32 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 00:27 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:13 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:12 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:08 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:33 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:45 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:39 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:21 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 22:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 09:05 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 08:19 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:20 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 20:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-28 21:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:30 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:29 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:18 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-02 17:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 15:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:03 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:22 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:39 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:48 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 01:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:00 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Worst Case" <fritz@spamexpire-202605.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 05:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8hqlaF1g5uU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87563 |
On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 22:31:31 -0400, c186282 wrote: > As said, going underground sure SOUNDS simple ... but now there's > likely to be a lot of Other People's Stuff already down there. Copper > wiring can *usually* be detected (there are companies that do this, > paint orange lines all over the grass) but water and sewer and fiber > won't necessarily show up. GOOD high-rez ground-penetrating radar > units still don't seem cheap enough. I worked one summer for a contractor. 'Call before you dig'. His method was to have the backhoe operator keep digging until he dug up copper and then call. The job didn't last long but I learned a lot about sleazy new house construction. The buyers saw the fireplace and hardwood floors and fell in love. They didn't notice the leach field was in a swamp and the foundation 'waterproofing' was a veneer of waterproofing heavily cut with diesel. They found out about that when they noticed the in ground swimming pool that was supposed to be the basement.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 01:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1eCcnWHfKdMxK773nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87574 |
On 6/6/26 01:48, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 22:31:31 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> As said, going underground sure SOUNDS simple ... but now there's >> likely to be a lot of Other People's Stuff already down there. Copper >> wiring can *usually* be detected (there are companies that do this, >> paint orange lines all over the grass) but water and sewer and fiber >> won't necessarily show up. GOOD high-rez ground-penetrating radar >> units still don't seem cheap enough. > > I worked one summer for a contractor. 'Call before you dig'. His method > was to have the backhoe operator keep digging until he dug up copper and > then call. The job didn't last long but I learned a lot about sleazy new > house construction. The buyers saw the fireplace and hardwood floors and > fell in love. They didn't notice the leach field was in a swamp and the > foundation 'waterproofing' was a veneer of waterproofing heavily cut with > diesel. They found out about that when they noticed the in ground swimming > pool that was supposed to be the basement. There's an org called "NoCuts" ... they send out a squad to scan the ground. Alas, as said, the clearly "electric" stuff registers but not necessarily anything else. Oh, and IF you cut somebody's fiber/pipes/etc you WILL have to pay out a LOT of money. Legal nightmare. So, 'wireless' is the modern choice - even when it sucks for the customers. Hey, just TELL 'em it's So Great ....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 18:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8dthvFfaguU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87499 |
On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 10:57:24 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Note those fiber-guided weapons, that fiber is hair-thin, > not intended to be any kind of permanent comm link. > > Interesting though how the mil went from wire-guided, to RF/Laser, > and now back to a version of "wire". I remember reading about TOW missiles beck in the '70s or '80s. My first thought was if you had to keep the aiming device on target you were exposed. To keep the math simple, if you targeted something near the maximum range of 3000 m with a missile moving at 300 m/sec you were in the breeze for a long time. I think I would prefer a fire-and-forget missile.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 15:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <N_WdnRefmcZhVrz3nZ2dnZfqnPgAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87508 |
On 6/4/26 14:13, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 10:57:24 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Note those fiber-guided weapons, that fiber is hair-thin, >> not intended to be any kind of permanent comm link. >> >> Interesting though how the mil went from wire-guided, to RF/Laser, >> and now back to a version of "wire". > > I remember reading about TOW missiles beck in the '70s or '80s. My first > thought was if you had to keep the aiming device on target you were > exposed. To keep the math simple, if you targeted something near the > maximum range of 3000 m with a missile moving at 300 m/sec you were in the > breeze for a long time. I think I would prefer a fire-and-forget missile. On the whole I agree fully - shoot and DUCK ! In Ukraine though, the target may be 30+ KM away, you're not likely to have someone immediately shooting back at you. JAMMING is the big problem with RF manual guidance. In the news I'm seeing more and more stories about how both Russian and Ukrainian drones are suddenly showing up in the wrong countries - both sides are using jammers on them. Laser-spot guidance ... at least in the day it's harder to track the beam back to YOU, but at night ... Oh well, the usual - what one side comes up with the other will discover how to thwart the next week.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 22:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8ecevFg3jkU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87514 |
On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 15:03:07 -0400, c186282 wrote: > In Ukraine though, the target may be 30+ KM away, > you're not likely to have someone immediately shooting back at you. https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2023/05/fibre-optic-guided-missiles-efog-m- polyphem-and-others/ I find many articles about long range fiber optic guided missiles but most of them end with the program being terminated. Interesting idea though. It might get messy with 30 km long strands of fibers draped over trees and so forth. They probably weren't biodegradable too and might put wildlife at risk. I was curious about the short range TOWs too.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 22:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lNCcnecBefD_pb_3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87518 |
On 6/4/26 18:27, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 15:03:07 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> In Ukraine though, the target may be 30+ KM away, >> you're not likely to have someone immediately shooting back at you. > > https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2023/05/fibre-optic-guided-missiles-efog-m- > polyphem-and-others/ > > I find many articles about long range fiber optic guided missiles but most > of them end with the program being terminated. Interesting idea though. It > might get messy with 30 km long strands of fibers draped over trees and so > forth. They probably weren't biodegradable too and might put wildlife at > risk. > > I was curious about the short range TOWs too. I'm sure it gets "messy" trailing 30-50km long naked ultra-thin fibers. VERY good chance they'll get broken en-route. But, if the opponent gets too good at jamming projectiles using other tech ...... This IS apparently the case now. Russia has been jamming conventional GPS for quite awhile now - throwing off coords by a good KM or so. Ukraine MAY have been given access to US/NATO special GPS sats, but no doubt Russia has salvaged such guidance systems and reverse-engineered one or more solutions. A new alt is super-rez 'inertial' guidance using light-loop tech. Set yer start coords EXACTLY and they're good for a fair distance and time. I read that Poland and the Baltics were looking into this once Russia started jamming GPS. Smallish cheapish chips now. I think they're used in some civvie drones already. A company came by to demonstrate its drone - hovered perfectly still even in kinda gusty winds. You could poke at it and it'd bounce back almost instantly. That's not GPS, its super-sensitive tri-axis accelerometers.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 04:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8f2ehFl49dU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87522 |
On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 22:45:45 -0400, c186282 wrote: > A new alt is super-rez 'inertial' guidance > using light-loop tech. Set yer start coords EXACTLY and they're good > for a fair distance and time. I read that Poland and the Baltics were > looking into this once Russia started jamming GPS. Smallish cheapish > chips now. Full circle. One of the drivers for GPS is if you fire a ballistic missile from a submarine it helps to know exactly where you are. > I think they're used in some civvie drones already. A company came by > to demonstrate its drone - hovered perfectly still even in kinda > gusty winds. You could poke at it and it'd bounce back almost > instantly. That's not GPS, > its super-sensitive tri-axis accelerometers. https://www.techgearlab.com/reviews/cool-gadgets/drones/dji-tello It's so light but it can maintain position in a gentle breeze. No GPS. It uses a down facing camera. Neat idea and it came with a SDK to control it over BlueTooth. It was $99 when I bought it. I've got a larger drone but it's strictly manual control like an old-time RC plane.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 02:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Jz-dneQY7bX7-7_3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87534 |
On 6/5/26 00:42, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 22:45:45 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> A new alt is super-rez 'inertial' guidance >> using light-loop tech. Set yer start coords EXACTLY and they're good >> for a fair distance and time. I read that Poland and the Baltics were >> looking into this once Russia started jamming GPS. Smallish cheapish >> chips now. > > Full circle. One of the drivers for GPS is if you fire a ballistic missile > from a submarine it helps to know exactly where you are. Yep, kinda "full circle". The new/better tech was, big surprise, more VULNERABLE in more WAYS. >> I think they're used in some civvie drones already. A company came by >> to demonstrate its drone - hovered perfectly still even in kinda >> gusty winds. You could poke at it and it'd bounce back almost >> instantly. That's not GPS, >> its super-sensitive tri-axis accelerometers. > > https://www.techgearlab.com/reviews/cool-gadgets/drones/dji-tello > > It's so light but it can maintain position in a gentle breeze. No GPS. It > uses a down facing camera. Neat idea and it came with a SDK to control it > over BlueTooth. It was $99 when I bought it. Hmm ... wouldn't have immediately thought of using a camera ground image as a reference. Not THE best, but apparently CAN work within limits. What happens if the drone is going over WATER ??? The accelerometers, now hyper-sensitive AND cheap, are the current Best Option. > I've got a larger drone but it's strictly manual control like an old-time > RC plane. Good enough for fun. "Commercial" though, much better IS expected. Fully self-navigating especially. GPS is pretty good in a friendly zone, but NOT in a tech war zone now. Where I worked DID hire the mentioned drone firm to do various things In The Field. You could launch it from anywhere, it'd zoom to EXACT coordinates and then begin its complicated runs. Then it'd return exactly to like a one meter circle after. These were not terribly large drones either ... might carry 20-40 lbs of stuff. We USED to use airplanes for such things ... but the pop density became too great, MANY complaints from people thinking they were being attacked - or super-annoyed with the noise. So, little drones. Mostly they didn't even see them.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 02:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10vo2eb$3b3aj$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87349 |
InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> wrote: > On 6/1/2026 2:30 PM, Rich wrote: >> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2026-06-01 05:20, Rich wrote: >>> What could happen is mandating the router or ONT have a battery backup >>> included, or at least optional. As simple as installing a bunch of AA >>> batteries. >> >> Yep, that's already what Verizon does with their FIOS service. One >> gets either a lead acid battery (UPS style battery) that will power the >> ONT for "some time" on a power fail, or one gets a rather large box >> that holds something like 12 D sized alkaline cell batteries as the >> "backup power" should mains be out. I'm not sure if the different >> types arrive based on price level purchased, or just on "previously, >> they privided this, now they provide that". > > The lead acid is the older variety and the D cell is the newer one. I > had to buy the older kind on eBay as they are not really available > anymore. Ah, that sounds reasonable, and is very in keeping with cheapening the product as time goes on. > Neither is sufficient, you can get 8-24 hours of standby power > with these kinds, but that's woefully inadequate in an extended outage, Yep. What they provide is, hopefully, enough time to call the electric utility to report your power being out. But for extended outages, yes, within at most one day (and that assumes the batteries still contain their original energy amounts) you'll be out of communication. > and both are now a significant cost that consumers are now expected > to bear. Also true. They supply the original battery, but you get to pay to replace it when it wears out over time. And both wear out over time. The lead acid from being kept charged, the D cells from self discharge.
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| From | InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 22:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10vo3hu$3bkkd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87397 |
On 6/2/2026 10:10 PM, Rich wrote: > InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> wrote: >> and both are now a significant cost that consumers are now expected >> to bear. > > Also true. They supply the original battery, but you get to pay to > replace it when it wears out over time. And both wear out over time. > The lead acid from being kept charged, the D cells from self discharge. Worse! They don't even supply the original battery! I had to buy my own as well as the unit. And most people don't even bother and then are surprised when their phone doesn't work when the power goes out. At one point the battery was low on my original battery and the ONT did start beeping every 15 minutes, which was annoying. A Verizon tech happened to be visiting for something else and he got a kick out of seeing some vintage telephones around the home, so I got lucky and he gave me a free replacement battery from the truck. Not sure if that was any skin off his nose... but might have to fake a service call the next time it runs low and see if I can pull the same trick!
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 11:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <63a5fmxucn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87401 |
On 2026-06-03 04:29, InterLinked wrote: > On 6/2/2026 10:10 PM, Rich wrote: >> InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> wrote: >>> and both are now a significant cost that consumers are now expected >>> to bear. >> >> Also true. They supply the original battery, but you get to pay to >> replace it when it wears out over time. And both wear out over time. >> The lead acid from being kept charged, the D cells from self discharge. > > Worse! They don't even supply the original battery! I had to buy my own > as well as the unit. And most people don't even bother and then are > surprised when their phone doesn't work when the power goes out. > > At one point the battery was low on my original battery and the ONT did > start beeping every 15 minutes, which was annoying. A Verizon tech > happened to be visiting for something else and he got a kick out of > seeing some vintage telephones around the home, so I got lucky and he > gave me a free replacement battery from the truck. Not sure if that was > any skin off his nose... but might have to fake a service call the next > time it runs low and see if I can pull the same trick! Here the normal thing is to connect traditional phones to the ONT. They maintain the fantasy that everything was as it were (and charge the same prices). Actually, if you ask them, it is not possible to connect real VoIP phones. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 19:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10vsj2n$k3v6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87418 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-06-03 04:29, InterLinked wrote: >> On 6/2/2026 10:10 PM, Rich wrote: >>> InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> wrote: >>>> and both are now a significant cost that consumers are now expected >>>> to bear. >>> >>> Also true. They supply the original battery, but you get to pay to >>> replace it when it wears out over time. And both wear out over time. >>> The lead acid from being kept charged, the D cells from self discharge. >> >> Worse! They don't even supply the original battery! I had to buy my own >> as well as the unit. And most people don't even bother and then are >> surprised when their phone doesn't work when the power goes out. >> >> At one point the battery was low on my original battery and the ONT did >> start beeping every 15 minutes, which was annoying. A Verizon tech >> happened to be visiting for something else and he got a kick out of >> seeing some vintage telephones around the home, so I got lucky and he >> gave me a free replacement battery from the truck. Not sure if that was >> any skin off his nose... but might have to fake a service call the next >> time it runs low and see if I can pull the same trick! > > Here the normal thing is to connect traditional phones to the ONT. They > maintain the fantasy that everything was as it were (and charge the same > prices). Actually, if you ask them, it is not possible to connect real > VoIP phones. Same here with Verizon FIOS. My ONT has an ethernet port, a coax port for cable TV, and either a modular jack or screw down terminals for POTS wiring (or it might have both the modular jack and the screw down terminals). If I had their phone service, the ONT would act as the "central office" and provide the 48v standby, 60v RMS AC ring signal, and handle the D/A and A/D conversion from old analog POTS to however Verizon carries digitized voice phone data over FIOS when that feature is enabled. Effectively, the ONT is /acting like/ one of those POTS to VOIP adapters, just using whatever protocol Verizon uses behind the scenes to carry the data. That protocol might just be VOIP, it might be something else, needless to say, they do not tell customers what it is nor provide us any normal access into that part of the system.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 21:28 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <f709fmxarr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87515 |
On 2026-06-04 21:18, Rich wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-06-03 04:29, InterLinked wrote: >>> On 6/2/2026 10:10 PM, Rich wrote: >>>> InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> wrote: >>>>> and both are now a significant cost that consumers are now expected >>>>> to bear. >>>> >>>> Also true. They supply the original battery, but you get to pay to >>>> replace it when it wears out over time. And both wear out over time. >>>> The lead acid from being kept charged, the D cells from self discharge. >>> >>> Worse! They don't even supply the original battery! I had to buy my own >>> as well as the unit. And most people don't even bother and then are >>> surprised when their phone doesn't work when the power goes out. >>> >>> At one point the battery was low on my original battery and the ONT did >>> start beeping every 15 minutes, which was annoying. A Verizon tech >>> happened to be visiting for something else and he got a kick out of >>> seeing some vintage telephones around the home, so I got lucky and he >>> gave me a free replacement battery from the truck. Not sure if that was >>> any skin off his nose... but might have to fake a service call the next >>> time it runs low and see if I can pull the same trick! >> >> Here the normal thing is to connect traditional phones to the ONT. They >> maintain the fantasy that everything was as it were (and charge the same >> prices). Actually, if you ask them, it is not possible to connect real >> VoIP phones. > > Same here with Verizon FIOS. My ONT has an ethernet port, a coax port > for cable TV, and either a modular jack or screw down terminals for > POTS wiring (or it might have both the modular jack and the screw down > terminals). > > If I had their phone service, the ONT would act as the "central office" > and provide the 48v standby, 60v RMS AC ring signal, and handle the D/A > and A/D conversion from old analog POTS to however Verizon carries > digitized voice phone data over FIOS when that feature is enabled. > > Effectively, the ONT is /acting like/ one of those POTS to VOIP > adapters, just using whatever protocol Verizon uses behind the scenes > to carry the data. That protocol might just be VOIP, it might be > something else, needless to say, they do not tell customers what it is > nor provide us any normal access into that part of the system. In my case, it is actually VoIP and you can connect to it on your computer. The details have been reverse engineered. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <IYZTR.138996$Grwb.101821@fx13.iad> |
| In reply to | #87401 |
On 2026-06-03, InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> wrote:
> On 6/2/2026 10:10 PM, Rich wrote:
>
>> InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> and both are now a significant cost that consumers are now expected
>>> to bear.
>>
>> Also true. They supply the original battery, but you get to pay to
>> replace it when it wears out over time. And both wear out over time.
>> The lead acid from being kept charged, the D cells from self discharge.
>
> Worse! They don't even supply the original battery! I had to buy my own
> as well as the unit. And most people don't even bother and then are
> surprised when their phone doesn't work when the power goes out.
I bought some batteries, but they weren't
included - so I had to buy them again.
-- Stephen Wright
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 03:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1124fop.m89.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #87450 |
On 2026-06-03, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-06-03, InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> wrote:
>
>> On 6/2/2026 10:10 PM, Rich wrote:
>>
>>> InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> and both are now a significant cost that consumers are now expected
>>>> to bear.
>>>
>>> Also true. They supply the original battery, but you get to pay to
>>> replace it when it wears out over time. And both wear out over time.
>>> The lead acid from being kept charged, the D cells from self discharge.
>>
>> Worse! They don't even supply the original battery! I had to buy my own
>> as well as the unit. And most people don't even bother and then are
>> surprised when their phone doesn't work when the power goes out.
>
> I bought some batteries, but they weren't
> included - so I had to buy them again.
> -- Stephen Wright
Then, there's a photo in circulation of a large glass jar labeled
Dead Batteries -- No Charge
--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 00:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lNCcneABefAx0r_3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87525 |
On 6/4/26 23:14, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-06-03, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-06-03, InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> wrote: >> >>> On 6/2/2026 10:10 PM, Rich wrote: >>> >>>> InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> and both are now a significant cost that consumers are now expected >>>>> to bear. >>>> >>>> Also true. They supply the original battery, but you get to pay to >>>> replace it when it wears out over time. And both wear out over time. >>>> The lead acid from being kept charged, the D cells from self discharge. >>> >>> Worse! They don't even supply the original battery! I had to buy my own >>> as well as the unit. And most people don't even bother and then are >>> surprised when their phone doesn't work when the power goes out. >> >> I bought some batteries, but they weren't >> included - so I had to buy them again. >> -- Stephen Wright > > Then, there's a photo in circulation of a large glass jar labeled > > Dead Batteries -- No Charge Heh Heh Heh ... Steven Wright did some good stuff :-) Mentioned one of his little bits at the dentists office awhile back - about him being annoyed with the tech always complaining - so he ate an entire box of Oreo cookies just before coming in. For SOME reason my tech didn't seem all that amused :-) Hmm ... IS there some use for dead batteries ? Most just throw 'em in the trash, but they ARE full of chems and metal salts and such .... At minimum, tape 'em together and use them as weights for whatever. Hey, weights CAN be useful. Have a partial little bag of quick concrete mix ... sometimes make little 'bricks' out of it as bases for things. COULD buy real bricks at the store I suppose, but they're usually too big or small.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 07:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8fbmiFl49dU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87531 |
On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 00:25:08 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Hmm ... IS there some use for dead batteries ? Most just throw 'em in > the trash, but they ARE full of chems and metal salts and such .... When I was a kid I salvaged the carbon core out of D cells. They were good for making a arc lights. Didn't even get electrocuted. The big ones were even better but I can't remember what they were called. iirc they had two screw terminals.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 04:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <bKmcnaCEqMMyGL_3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87543 |
On 6/5/26 03:20, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 00:25:08 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Hmm ... IS there some use for dead batteries ? Most just throw 'em in >> the trash, but they ARE full of chems and metal salts and such .... > > When I was a kid I salvaged the carbon core out of D cells. They were good > for making a arc lights. Didn't even get electrocuted. The big ones were > even better but I can't remember what they were called. iirc they had two > screw terminals. Heh heh - did the SAME thing !!! :-) You can get carbon rods at a welding supply store. There USED to be some for arc-lamp movie projectors but I doubt any of those exist anymore. An old friend used to work at a creaky Drive-In theater.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 12:33 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <g8lafmxpdm.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87545 |
On 2026-06-05 10:15, c186282 wrote: > On 6/5/26 03:20, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 00:25:08 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Hmm ... IS there some use for dead batteries ? Most just throw >>> 'em in >>> the trash, but they ARE full of chems and metal salts and such .... >> >> When I was a kid I salvaged the carbon core out of D cells. They were >> good >> for making a arc lights. Didn't even get electrocuted. The big ones were >> even better but I can't remember what they were called. iirc they had two >> screw terminals. > > Heh heh - did the SAME thing !!! :-) > > You can get carbon rods at a welding supply store. > > There USED to be some for arc-lamp movie projectors > but I doubt any of those exist anymore. An old friend > used to work at a creaky Drive-In theater. I worked with those in the 80's, in a university cine-club. A nucleus of carbon and minerals in layers, then an outside layer of copper. About 65 Amps. Blinding white light! I think I have a sample as memsake. (dictionary says "memsake" is bad spelling. What is the correct one?) -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 11:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n8fo87Fotr8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87549 |
"Carlos E.R." wrote: > I think I have a sample as memsake. > (dictionary says "memsake" is bad spelling. What is the correct one?) keepsake, or memento.
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