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Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem

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  Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-25 03:09 -0400
    Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-05-25 09:27 +0200
      Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:41 +0200
        Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-25 23:45 -0400
    Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-25 18:29 +0000
      Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 00:17 -0400
        Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 08:13 +0200
          Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 02:36 -0400
            Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 08:57 +0200
              Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 03:53 -0400
                Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-26 16:36 +0000
                Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 20:24 +0200
                  Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-26 21:55 +0000
                    Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:22 +0200
                      Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-27 02:48 -0400
                        Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 10:59 +0200
                          Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:22 -0400
                            Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:30 +0200
                              Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 15:00 +0100
                                Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-28 17:28 +0200
                                  Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 16:36 +0100
                                    Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 18:02 +0000
                                      Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 21:50 -0400
                                        Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 04:53 +0000
                                          Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-29 07:33 +0200
                                            Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:59 -0400
                                              Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-29 10:25 +0100
                                                Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:18 -0400
                                                  Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:49 +0200
                                            Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:49 +0000
                                          Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:41 -0400
                                Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 18:47 +0200
                                  Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 22:03 -0400
                      Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-27 07:23 +0000
                        Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:01 +0200
                          Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:27 -0400
                            Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:32 +0200
                              Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 21:14 -0400
                        Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:21 -0400
              Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-26 07:53 +0000
                Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:32 -0400
                  Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-26 16:40 +0000
                    Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 22:33 -0400
                      Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-27 03:38 +0000
                        Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-27 00:27 -0400
                          Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-27 07:16 +0000
                            Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 02:08 -0400
                      Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-27 09:13 +0000
                        Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:44 -0400
                          Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 17:40 +0000
                            Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 22:50 -0400
            Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-26 07:35 +0000
              Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:41 -0400
                Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-26 16:25 +0000
        Re: Hmm ... Ordered PI-Zero 2WH "Kit" - Possible Problem rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-26 07:32 +0000

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#87147

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-05-26 04:32 -0400
Message-ID<NS-dnTUV8Kfsx4j3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87146
On 5/26/26 03:53, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 2026 08:57:08 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> I wonder what that SDR is.
> 
> Software defined radio.
> 
> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/about-rtl-sdr/
> 
> I've got a dongle and have used it to get ADS-B aircraft position reports.
> There's a database so you can relate the aircraft ID to Eastern flight 404
> and so forth. It will also pick up commercial FM, GPS, and a lot of other
> stuff.
> 
> https://wiki.gnuradio.org/index.php/Main_Page
> 
> GNU Radio has a lot of moving parts and isn't the easiest thing to set up
> but it works. Most people use the dongle as a receiver but transmitters
> are also available.
> 
> https://greatscottgadgets.com/hackrf/pro/
> 
> The original was discontinued and the Pro isn't available yet so they
> might have Osborned themselves.
> 
> You can also mess around with the LO on the dongle and might get something
> that sort of works and is completely illegal. I'd rather keep my license
> and stay legit.


   Note SDR, esp transmitting, MIGHT be
   persecuted by various govts.

   They don't WANT free/unregulated/untrackable
   communications. Not at all.

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#87161

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-26 16:40 +0000
Message-ID<n7m0o6Ft0hnU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87147
On Tue, 26 May 2026 04:32:03 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Note SDR, esp transmitting, MIGHT be persecuted by various govts.
> 
>    They don't WANT free/unregulated/untrackable communications. Not at
>    all.

Typically the FCC has other fish to fry but the potential is there to 
attract their attention if you were to jam transmissions for example. 

It's a good thing humans can only directly perceive a limited range of the 
electromagnetic spectrum. 

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#87169

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-05-26 22:33 -0400
Message-ID<7XCdnUfd6c-ExYv3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87161
On 5/26/26 12:40, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 2026 04:32:03 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Note SDR, esp transmitting, MIGHT be persecuted by various govts.
>>
>>     They don't WANT free/unregulated/untrackable communications. Not at
>>     all.
> 
> Typically the FCC has other fish to fry but the potential is there to
> attract their attention if you were to jam transmissions for example.
> 
> It's a good thing humans can only directly perceive a limited range of the
> electromagnetic spectrum.


   Hey ... we could FIX that now !  :-)

   Next-gen Musk brain chips !

   The remaining bugaboo is how to direct synth-neurons
   to connect with the right spots in the host brain.
   They'd have to be self guiding and do no damage.

   Surely CAN be done, but not today.

   Maybe that's a good thing.

   We can 'overlay' stuff on existing human senses, but
   no clue how to create unique extra senses.

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#87173

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-27 03:38 +0000
Message-ID<n7n7abF45sfU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87169
On Tue, 26 May 2026 22:33:22 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    The remaining bugaboo is how to direct synth-neurons to connect with
>    the right spots in the host brain. They'd have to be self guiding and
>    do no damage.
> 
>    Surely CAN be done, but not today.

I was implanting electrodes in white rat brains 60 years ago. Crude but it 
didn't seem to bother the rats much. The tricky part was anesthetizing the 
rat. Drop rat into a 2 quart pickle jar with a wad of ether soaked cotton, 
monitoring life signs. Sometimes a little CPR was necessary.

If you did it right the rat would press a pedal to get zapped and become 
conditioned. Do it wrong and the rat would have a seizure. 

There was also a cat in the lab who had been through some sort of 
experiment. She was friendly but was mortally afraid of the rats.

A synth-neuron would be challenging. It's not a point connection. The 
dendrites branch out and pass signals through an electrochemical process 
involving manipulating ion flows across the cellular membranes.  

The whole AI neural network thing attempts to simulate the process, 
weighting the interconnections. They've been chipping away at the problem 
on and off for over 80 years. I don't expect a solution any time soon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
A_Logical_Calculus_of_the_Ideas_Immanent_in_Nervous_Activity

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#87177

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-05-27 00:27 -0400
Message-ID<7XCdnUHd6c9a74v3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87173
On 5/26/26 23:38, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 2026 22:33:22 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     The remaining bugaboo is how to direct synth-neurons to connect with
>>     the right spots in the host brain. They'd have to be self guiding and
>>     do no damage.
>>
>>     Surely CAN be done, but not today.
> 
> I was implanting electrodes in white rat brains 60 years ago. Crude but it
> didn't seem to bother the rats much. The tricky part was anesthetizing the
> rat. Drop rat into a 2 quart pickle jar with a wad of ether soaked cotton,
> monitoring life signs. Sometimes a little CPR was necessary.
> 
> If you did it right the rat would press a pedal to get zapped and become
> conditioned. Do it wrong and the rat would have a seizure.
> 
> There was also a cat in the lab who had been through some sort of
> experiment. She was friendly but was mortally afraid of the rats.

   You'd turned them into alien MONSTER RATS !!!

> A synth-neuron would be challenging. It's not a point connection. The
> dendrites branch out and pass signals through an electrochemical process
> involving manipulating ion flows across the cellular membranes.
> 
> The whole AI neural network thing attempts to simulate the process,
> weighting the interconnections. They've been chipping away at the problem
> on and off for over 80 years. I don't expect a solution any time soon.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> A_Logical_Calculus_of_the_Ideas_Immanent_in_Nervous_Activity

   How animal neurons/brains work can be 'instructive', but
   somehow I don't think direct simulation is going to give
   us what we want (slaves) with "AI". Nature built neurons
   and brains from what it HAD, and that also defines what
   and how they do things. Tech may offer many completely
   new approaches.

   I keep an eye on Neural Network developments. The hardware
   end is FINALLY coming together. I suspect that NNs may
   make it possible to put a fair "AI" literally inside a bot.

   This may be great, or genocidal.

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#87182

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-27 07:16 +0000
Message-ID<n7nk3aF45sfU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87177
On Wed, 27 May 2026 00:27:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    How animal neurons/brains work can be 'instructive', but somehow I
>    don't think direct simulation is going to give us what we want
>    (slaves) with "AI". Nature built neurons and brains from what it HAD,
>    and that also defines what and how they do things. Tech may offer
>    many completely new approaches.

I believe most of 'rationality' is an epiphenomenon of what's really going 
on in the wetware. That leads me to some skepticism about AGI.

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#87211

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-05-28 02:08 -0400
Message-ID<ec6dnYSgEcuWQYr3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87182
On 5/27/26 03:16, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2026 00:27:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     How animal neurons/brains work can be 'instructive', but somehow I
>>     don't think direct simulation is going to give us what we want
>>     (slaves) with "AI". Nature built neurons and brains from what it HAD,
>>     and that also defines what and how they do things. Tech may offer
>>     many completely new approaches.
> 
> I believe most of 'rationality' is an epiphenomenon of what's really going
> on in the wetware. That leads me to some skepticism about AGI.

   "Rationality" is just "semi-informed vested opinion".

   I think Harvard did a brain-scan test on this
   awhile back. People being "logical" mostly lit
   up the 'emotional' brain areas.

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#87190

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-05-27 09:13 +0000
Message-ID<10v6cj6$2l317$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87169
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 5/26/26 12:40, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 May 2026 04:32:03 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>     Note SDR, esp transmitting, MIGHT be persecuted by various govts.
>>>
>>>     They don't WANT free/unregulated/untrackable communications. Not at
>>>     all.
>> 
>> Typically the FCC has other fish to fry but the potential is there to
>> attract their attention if you were to jam transmissions for example.
>> 
>> It's a good thing humans can only directly perceive a limited range of the
>> electromagnetic spectrum.
> 
> 
>   Hey ... we could FIX that now !  :-)
> 
>   Next-gen Musk brain chips !

Won't work for "sensing" much more of the EM spectrum than we can sense 
now.

To sense other EM wavelengths, you need "sensors" that respond to 
(i.e., detect or sense) those wavelengths.  Right now, our built in EM 
sensors (eyes) are really only sensitve to the visible light portion of 
the spectrum.

In theory Musk's chip /could/ have some form of antenna, so it might 
respond to some other EM band.  But all the 'wetware' around it is 
going to attenuate many of the useful bands rather a lot, limiting its 
sensitivity.

And this assumes the chip ever becomes more than "musk vaporware" used 
just to pump up the value of tessler stock.

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#87218

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-05-28 03:44 -0400
Message-ID<O-CdnbWPFZ_2b4r3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87190
On 5/27/26 05:13, Rich wrote:
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>> On 5/26/26 12:40, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 May 2026 04:32:03 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>      Note SDR, esp transmitting, MIGHT be persecuted by various govts.
>>>>
>>>>      They don't WANT free/unregulated/untrackable communications. Not at
>>>>      all.
>>>
>>> Typically the FCC has other fish to fry but the potential is there to
>>> attract their attention if you were to jam transmissions for example.
>>>
>>> It's a good thing humans can only directly perceive a limited range of the
>>> electromagnetic spectrum.
>>
>>
>>    Hey ... we could FIX that now !  :-)
>>
>>    Next-gen Musk brain chips !
> 
> Won't work for "sensing" much more of the EM spectrum than we can sense
> now.

   As said, I kind of agree with that assessment. We can
   'overlay' extra info on existing senses, but creating
   actual NEW senses ... well ... we're talking a whole LOT
   of genetic engineering and LOTS of fails along the way.

> To sense other EM wavelengths, you need "sensors" that respond to
> (i.e., detect or sense) those wavelengths.  Right now, our built in EM
> sensors (eyes) are really only sensitve to the visible light portion of
> the spectrum.

   'Sensors' aren't a problem anymore. They can be very
   tiny and very efficient. Most of the spectrum and
   electric/magnetic too.

   But how to INTEGRATE that info ?

> In theory Musk's chip /could/ have some form of antenna, so it might
> respond to some other EM band.  But all the 'wetware' around it is
> going to attenuate many of the useful bands rather a lot, limiting its
> sensitivity.
> 
> And this assumes the chip ever becomes more than "musk vaporware" used
> just to pump up the value of tessler stock.

   Well, working examples DO exist now.

   But it's still basically "Chip v0.x".

   The BIG trick is self-routing 'neurons' that will
   infiltrate/connect with the proper existing brain
   areas. NOT easy at all. No "Borgs" anytime soon.

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#87238

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-28 17:40 +0000
Message-ID<n7rd03Fo1qlU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87218
On Thu, 28 May 2026 03:44:26 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    'Sensors' aren't a problem anymore. They can be very tiny and very
>    efficient. Most of the spectrum and electric/magnetic too.
> 
>    But how to INTEGRATE that info ?

You can 'see' frequencies with a waterfall display and a SDR to scan but 
that couldn't be transferred to a continuous awareness. 

It's interesting that processing 'wake words' like 'hey Alexa' do a 
similar translation and convert the spoken word into a spectrogram. Neural 
networks are very good at image classification. After the device 
recognizes the wake word then it can phone home for more computing power 
to handle the rest of the conversation.

I don't know if AI is involved but I've been playing with a free phone app 
called 'Seek'. It's similar to the Google photo recognition but 
specialized for recognizing flora and fauna in your geographic area. Take 
a photo and it comes back with 'Wilcox's penstemmon' or 'Large Flower 
Clarkia'. It also correctly identified felix cattus.  It's handy since I'm 
involved in a project to weed out non-native species from an area. I know 
the usual culprits but when it gets to grasses like cheatgrass I'm a 
little vague.

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#87253

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-05-28 22:50 -0400
Message-ID<UYicndaFJtyPYoX3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87238
On 5/28/26 13:40, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 2026 03:44:26 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     'Sensors' aren't a problem anymore. They can be very tiny and very
>>     efficient. Most of the spectrum and electric/magnetic too.
>>
>>     But how to INTEGRATE that info ?
> 
> You can 'see' frequencies with a waterfall display and a SDR to scan but
> that couldn't be transferred to a continuous awareness.
> 
> It's interesting that processing 'wake words' like 'hey Alexa' do a
> similar translation and convert the spoken word into a spectrogram. Neural
> networks are very good at image classification. After the device
> recognizes the wake word then it can phone home for more computing power
> to handle the rest of the conversation.

   Still won't overlay it on your visual cortex ...

> I don't know if AI is involved but I've been playing with a free phone app
> called 'Seek'. It's similar to the Google photo recognition but
> specialized for recognizing flora and fauna in your geographic area. Take
> a photo and it comes back with 'Wilcox's penstemmon' or 'Large Flower
> Clarkia'. It also correctly identified felix cattus.  It's handy since I'm
> involved in a project to weed out non-native species from an area. I know
> the usual culprits but when it gets to grasses like cheatgrass I'm a
> little vague.

   Even AI doesn't know everything, yet.

   AI does excel at 'pattern recognition', and with far
   more things than any human could ever master.

   Of course it's also running the same algos on EVERY
   tiny aspect of your LIFE it can see.

   And reporting it SOMEWHERE.

   The US Govt is technically limited from 'domestic
   spying' activities - but CAN just outright BUY data
   from various commercial providers. "Hey, WE didn't
   do the spying !".

   Pi-2-0-W ... done with it for now. The camera is NOT
   gonna work - and the connector is horribly broken too.
   the slot is just too shallow to do any good fixes.

   May still have some uses with environmental sensors
   using SPI/I2C/binary pins ... I think a lot of that
   can be done VERY cheaply and I have the electronics
   skills. I can screw it to the side of a garden shed.
   OR, have a few I2C display units ... could make it
   into an on-the-wall weather display. So, not a total
   loss. Always SOMETHING you can do with good hardware.

   THOUGHT I had another P0-2W ... but digging into the
   heap it turned out to be a PICO 2W instead. Next
   project I suppose. It can also do 'environmental'
   for sure, with real A/D ports. NOT sure yet how the
   wireless is done. I did once attach a hardwire network
   shield to a basic ARD ... and there was a lib that
   could do a very basic TCP stack. It DID work, even
   on that tiny thing - but SLOW. Even thus I had it on
   my office network for a few years ... tied to a 'spare'
   domain. You'd get a crude web page with a "Sorry"
   message and a button to go to the REAL web page. Worked.
   Amazing sometimes what crude micro-controllers with
   tiny mem can do.

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#87142

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-26 07:35 +0000
Message-ID<n7l0poFo3tqU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87136
On Tue, 26 May 2026 02:36:03 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    'CB' radios are now Antique Tech - but there WAS a time when they
>    were very relevant.

Redneck 10 meter...

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#87149

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-05-26 04:41 -0400
Message-ID<NS-dnTcV8KcxwYj3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87142
On 5/26/26 03:35, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 2026 02:36:03 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     'CB' radios are now Antique Tech - but there WAS a time when they
>>     were very relevant.
> 
> Redneck 10 meter...

   Kinda, yea.

   But they WERE a huge thing In The Day - and
   still useful even now.

   BROADCAST - to anyone in range - can be MUCH
   more useful that like cells/text.

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#87159

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-26 16:25 +0000
Message-ID<n7lvroFt0hnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87149
On Tue, 26 May 2026 04:41:34 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> On 5/26/26 03:35, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 May 2026 02:36:03 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>     'CB' radios are now Antique Tech - but there WAS a time when they
>>>     were very relevant.
>> 
>> Redneck 10 meter...
> 
>    Kinda, yea.
> 
>    But they WERE a huge thing In The Day - and still useful even now.
> 
>    BROADCAST - to anyone in range - can be MUCH more useful that like
>    cells/text.

I never had one personally but they were in the trucks I drove. They could 
be useful but as you got back east it was mostly trash talk. Of course 
east of the Mississippi tends to collect trash anyway.

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#87141

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-26 07:32 +0000
Message-ID<n7l0laFo3tqU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87128
On Tue, 26 May 2026 00:17:18 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Ran across an article some years ago, Pi3, where they detailed how to
>    disconnect the little on-board WiFi antenna and solder-in a REAL
>    antenna. Increased the range/power incredibly - to a good KM+.

I've seen a video like that. The guy obviously wasn't a RF engineer and 
soldered on a random piece of wire. Maybe it was better or maybe it was 
like the guys installing aftermarket exhausts on their Harleys and losing 
a few horsepower. Harley had a clue what they were doing when they put in 
the crossover pipe.

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