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Wayland Makes Progress

Started byLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
First post2026-04-30 07:50 +0000
Last post2026-05-05 01:09 +0000
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  Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 07:50 +0000
    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-30 12:29 +0000
      Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-30 17:29 +0100
        Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 09:53 -0700
          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-04-30 18:02 +0100
            Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 10:15 -0700
              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 22:26 +0000
                Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 13:56 -0700
                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:41 +0000
                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 15:54 -0700
                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:07 +0000
                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 08:32 -0700
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 23:40 +0000
                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 15:20 -0700
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 23:52 +0000
                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 08:12 -0700
                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-05 15:57 +0000
                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 09:10 -0700
                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 18:14 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:41 +0100
                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 21:52 +0000
                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 15:26 -0700
                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 04:11 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 08:43 -0700
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-06 16:30 +0000
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 21:13 +0000
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 22:06 -0400
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-07 03:49 +0000
                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-07 16:37 -0400
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 13:06 +0000
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-07 18:35 +0000
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:30 +0000
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:54 +0000
                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-08 19:07 +0000
                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-08 21:58 -0400
                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 03:31 +0000
                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-09 00:48 -0400
                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 07:44 +0000
                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:46 +0200
                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:42 +0000
                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 22:02 +0200
                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:38 +0000
                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-10 19:31 +0200
                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 13:55 +0200
                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:04 +0000
                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-24 07:01 +0000
                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:54 +0200
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:30 +0100
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:46 +0200
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:39 +0000
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 01:47 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:42 +0200
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-25 12:57 +0100
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 08:28 -0700
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 17:43 +0200
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-26 23:02 +0200
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 07:49 +0200
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:34 +0100
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:03 +0200
                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-27 12:20 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-27 22:53 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 02:54 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 00:04 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 23:55 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:06 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 01:19 +0000
                                                                                          TV scripts and their computation by machine (was: Re: Wayland Makes Progress) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 09:29 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 15:45 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 09:11 +0100
                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:29 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-27 18:28 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 21:36 +0100
                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-27 18:44 +0000
                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 23:53 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 07:37 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:07 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:37 +0200
                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:39 +0000
                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-10 20:09 +0200
                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 03:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 01:03 -0400
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 06:05 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 11:35 +0200
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:38 +0000
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 20:21 +0200
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:10 -0700
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 19:42 +0200
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 01:58 +0000
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:18 +0200
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 15:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 18:27 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:17 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:08 +0200
                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 10:34 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:22 +0000
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:13 +0100
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 11:20 +0200
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 15:45 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 19:48 +0200
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 01:43 +0000
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:26 +0200
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 22:15 +0000
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-12 02:57 +0000
                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:42 +0200
                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:35 +0000
                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 22:04 +0200
                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:47 +0100
                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:15 +0100
                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:26 +0000
                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:04 +0100
                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 12:33 +0000
                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:12 +0000
                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:12 +0000
                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 14:45 +0100
                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:05 +0000
                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 17:37 +0100
                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:35 +0000
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 23:42 -0400
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:31 +0200
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:41 +0100
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 20:46 -0400
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:55 +0000
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 21:44 -0700
                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:09 +0000
                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-13 19:47 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:25 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 18:38 +0000
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:34 +0100
                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-13 21:34 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:26 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:43 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 11:54 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 18:38 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 22:33 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 23:28 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 04:36 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-15 04:58 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-15 08:01 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:20 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-15 11:21 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-15 02:37 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:17 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-17 05:25 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 17:08 +0000
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:27 +0100
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:18 +0100
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:22 +0100
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 20:41 +0100
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:21 +0100
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:04 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:24 +0000
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:10 +0100
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 08:54 -0700
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:29 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:23 +0000
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:16 +0100
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:36 +0000
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 09:51 -0700
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:52 +0000
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-12 19:55 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:45 +0000
                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:46 -0700
                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 18:09 +0100
                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:55 +0000
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 23:46 -0400
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:25 +0100
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:07 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:00 +0000
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 20:58 -0700
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:27 +0100
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:24 +0100
                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 21:05 -0400
                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:04 +0100
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 18:39 +0200
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 10:44 -0700
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 04:28 +0000
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 21:50 -0700
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:10 +0100
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:22 +0000
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:49 +0100
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:59 +0000
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:34 +0100
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 04:23 +0000
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:14 +0100
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:23 +0100
                                                                          Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:34 +0200
                                                                            Re: Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 20:17 +0000
                                                                              Re: Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 22:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-16 08:17 +0000
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-17 00:02 -0400
                                                                            Pre-history (was Re: Wayland Makes Progress) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 15:56 -0700
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:21 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:43 +0100
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 14:19 +0100
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 16:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 23:08 +0200
                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 22:35 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 23:39 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 14:04 +0200
                                                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-16 12:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-16 20:46 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 15:49 +0000
                                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-13 09:10 -0700
                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-29 07:33 +0000
                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 22:54 +0000
                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:24 +0000
                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:31 +0100
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:39 +0000
                                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:55 +0100
                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:18 +0000
                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:51 +0100
                                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 15:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-28 07:17 +0000
                                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-12 08:23 +0100
                                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:38 +0100
                                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:04 +0100
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:29 +0000
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-09 10:18 +0000
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:49 +0000
                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:00 +0000
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 20:46 +0000
                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:06 +0100
                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:08 +0000
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:33 +0000
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:45 +0000
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 15:23 -0700
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 03:42 +0100
                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 01:35 +0000
                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:49 +0100
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 19:05 +0000
                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 12:59 +0000
                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 16:55 +0100
                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:32 +0000
                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:56 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-08 18:05 +0000
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-08 13:01 -0700
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:41 +0000
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:03 +0000
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:46 +0000
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:56 +0000
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 18:04 +0100
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:51 +0000
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 18:40 +0100
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-10 16:50 +0100
                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 22:46 +0100
                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 19:58 +0000
                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-15 21:23 +0100
                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 21:08 +0000
                                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-17 08:01 +0100
                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-17 03:35 -0400
                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 10:31 +0100
                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-17 11:11 +0000
                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-17 14:52 +0200
                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-17 16:35 +0000
                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 21:00 +0100
                                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-22 06:51 +0000
                                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-22 11:04 +0200
                                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-22 22:38 -0400
                                                          Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 09:19 +0200
                                                            Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 09:22 +0100
                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 14:04 +0200
                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:04 +0100
                                                                  Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:43 +0200
                                                                    Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:27 +0100
                                                                      Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:49 +0200
                                                                      Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 12:09 +0200
                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-23 13:26 +0000
                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 15:22 +0100
                                                                  Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:26 +0000
                                                                    Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:00 +0200
                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 17:01 +0100
                                                                Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-23 16:28 +0000
                                                                  Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 17:43 +0100
                                                                  Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 01:06 -0400
                                                                    Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-24 05:36 +0000
                                                                      Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 02:45 -0400
                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:44 +0200
                                                            Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:57 +0200
                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-23 16:53 +0000
                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 12:20 +0100
                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:46 +0200
                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:08 +0200
                                                                  Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:32 +0200
                                                                    Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:50 +0200
                                                                    Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 21:57 -0400
                                                            Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-24 08:54 +1000
                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:33 +0200
                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 11:26 +0100
                                                                  Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:04 +0000
                                                                  Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 20:00 +0200
                                                                    Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 22:23 +0200
                                                                      Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-25 08:09 +1000
                                                                        Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 07:34 +0200
                                                                          Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:18 +0000
                                                                            Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:29 +0200
                                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 21:54 +0000
                                                                          Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 07:25 +0100
                                                                            Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:45 +0000
                                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-25 08:38 +0100
                                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 10:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:35 +0200
                                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 10:54 +0100
                                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 13:41 +0200
                                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-26 09:14 +1000
                                                                          Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-05-25 18:01 +1000
                                                                            Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:54 +0200
                                                                        Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:48 +0200
                                                                          Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 11:04 +0100
                                                                            Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 13:44 +0200
                                                                            Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-26 00:46 +0000
                                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-27 12:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-27 22:47 +0000
                                                                    Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:35 +0200
                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:54 +0000
                                                            Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-24 06:58 +0000
                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:36 +0200
                                                                Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 04:13 +0000
                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (was: title without w in "was:"?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 11:29 +0100
                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:04 +0000
                                                              Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:47 +0200
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:28 +0000
                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-02 10:25 +0100
                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 09:43 -0700
          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-01 15:32 +0000
            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-01 22:21 +0200
              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-01 20:36 +0000
                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:37 +0000
                Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:40 +0100
                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-02 09:07 +0000
                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 12:32 +0200
                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 12:29 +0200
                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-02 20:22 +0000
                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-02 23:27 +0000
              Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:39 +0100
              Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-03 09:20 +0200
        Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 14:39 -0400
        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-01 15:29 +0000
      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-01 09:30 +0000
        Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-01 13:36 +0200
          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:36 +0000
            Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 12:43 +0200
              VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-02 10:53 +0000
                Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 13:14 +0200
                  Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 13:29 +0000
                Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 13:39 +0200
                  Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-02 11:52 +0000
                    Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 13:32 +0000
                      Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-02 15:09 +0100
                        Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 18:29 +0000
                      Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 19:15 +0200
                    Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 20:25 +0200
        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-03 12:34 +0000
          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-03 13:50 +0100
          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-03 22:03 +0000
            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-04 12:51 +0000
              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-04 19:35 +0000
                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 12:56 +0000
                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 16:53 +0100
                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-07 17:39 +0000
                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 20:10 +0100
                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 13:04 +0000
                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 14:27 +0100
                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-08 19:05 +0000
                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:01 +0000
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:15 +0100
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:24 +0000
                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 14:44 -0700
                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:08 +0000
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:30 +0000
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:04 +0000
                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:53 +0000
                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 15:13 -0700
                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:55 +0000
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:52 +0000
                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 13:10 +0000
                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-10 18:46 +0000
                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:38 +0000
                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-11 17:46 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 18:57 +0100
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 20:07 +0200
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-15 09:10 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:04 +0000
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 22:49 -0400
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:38 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:34 +0000
                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:30 +0000
                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:30 +0000
                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:56 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-11 22:38 +0200
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:25 +0000
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-12 08:02 +0200
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 02:24 -0400
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:53 +0200
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:09 +0000
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:06 +0000
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 22:54 +0000
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:39 +0200
                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:58 +0100
                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:03 +0000
                                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 22:54 +0200
                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 15:56 +0000
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:13 +0000
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:51 +0200
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-16 08:20 +0000
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-16 20:24 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 22:30 -0400
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:44 +0000
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:15 +0100
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:16 +0000
                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 23:01 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:11 +0000
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 19:58 -0700
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:53 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:56 +0200
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:44 +0000
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:40 +0100
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:49 +0000
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 08:06 -0700
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:34 +0100
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:47 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:40 +0000
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:03 +0000
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:33 +0000
                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 13:01 +0000
                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:21 +0000
                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:52 +0000
                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-08 09:23 +1000
                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-09 10:02 +0000
                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:58 +0100
                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:14 +0000
                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 20:46 +0000
                        Dump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-09 21:30 +0000
                          Re: Dump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:58 +0100
                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 14:38 -0700
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:12 +0000
                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 16:22 -0700
                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:33 +0000
                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:02 +0100
                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-10 17:40 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:11 +0100
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 15:52 +0000
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:22 -0700
                                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:51 +0000
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 21:14 -0700
                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 01:14 -0400
                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:58 +0000
                                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 00:36 -0400
                                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:03 +0000
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 12:40 -0400
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:27 +0000
                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 17:02 -0700
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:00 +0100
                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:57 +0100
                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-10 17:40 +0000
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 22:54 +0100
                            Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:12 +0100
                              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 15:55 +0000
                                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:32 -0700
                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 17:46 +0100
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 21:50 -0400
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:12 +0100
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:23 +0000
                                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:16 +0000
                                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 21:23 -0700
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 01:23 -0400
                                        Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:29 +0100
                                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:41 +0000
                          Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:16 +0000
                  Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 14:35 -0700
                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:52 +0000
                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:08 +0100
                    Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:33 +0000
                      Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:15 +0000
              Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 23:57 +0000
                Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 12:50 +0000
              Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-05 01:09 +0000

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#86296

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-09 17:14 +0000
Message-ID<n698aoFmk36U7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#86278
On Sat, 9 May 2026 12:58:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> He's started a war against Iran in order to Be Important, just like
> buddy Putin.
> But in the end its just another pile of steaming turds. Even invading
> Iran wont fix the problem, just get a lot of Americans dead.

Even worse he started it to make his buddy Netanyahu happy or, perhaps 
more accurately, Miriam Adelson. Of course the whole fucking mess goes 
back to the Brits making Chaim Weizmann happy.

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#86302

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-05-09 20:46 +0000
Message-ID<M2NLR.1211145$Zve6.785275@fx18.iad>
In reply to#86296
On 2026-05-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 9 May 2026 12:58:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> He's started a war against Iran in order to Be Important, just like
>> buddy Putin.
>> But in the end its just another pile of steaming turds. Even invading
>> Iran wont fix the problem, just get a lot of Americans dead.
>
> Even worse he started it to make his buddy Netanyahu happy or, perhaps 
> more accurately, Miriam Adelson. Of course the whole fucking mess goes 
> back to the Brits making Chaim Weizmann happy.

It doesn't hurt that it also pushed Jeffrey Epstein off the front page.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#86303 — Dump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress)

Fromgazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date2026-05-09 21:30 +0000
SubjectDump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress)
Message-ID<10to92d$1098h$1@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#86302
In article <M2NLR.1211145$Zve6.785275@fx18.iad>,
Charlie Gibbs  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>On 2026-05-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 9 May 2026 12:58:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> He's started a war against Iran in order to Be Important, just like
>>> buddy Putin.
>>> But in the end its just another pile of steaming turds. Even invading
>>> Iran wont fix the problem, just get a lot of Americans dead.
>>
>> Even worse he started it to make his buddy Netanyahu happy or, perhaps 
>> more accurately, Miriam Adelson. Of course the whole fucking mess goes 
>> back to the Brits making Chaim Weizmann happy.
>
>It doesn't hurt that it also pushed Jeffrey Epstein off the front page.

The best explanation is that he started the Iran war to distract from
Epstein, but then that turned out so badly, that he sent his wife out to
make a speach about Epstein, in order to distract (back) from Iran.

-- 
It's possible that leasing office space to a Starbucks is a greater liability
in today's GOP than is hitting your mother on the head with a hammer.

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#86316 — Re: Dump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-05-10 00:58 +0100
SubjectRe: Dump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress)
Message-ID<10tohnc$rit$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#86303
On 09/05/2026 22:30, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <M2NLR.1211145$Zve6.785275@fx18.iad>,
> Charlie Gibbs  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-05-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 9 May 2026 12:58:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> He's started a war against Iran in order to Be Important, just like
>>>> buddy Putin.
>>>> But in the end its just another pile of steaming turds. Even invading
>>>> Iran wont fix the problem, just get a lot of Americans dead.
>>>
>>> Even worse he started it to make his buddy Netanyahu happy or, perhaps
>>> more accurately, Miriam Adelson. Of course the whole fucking mess goes
>>> back to the Brits making Chaim Weizmann happy.
>>
>> It doesn't hurt that it also pushed Jeffrey Epstein off the front page.
> 
> The best explanation is that he started the Iran war to distract from
> Epstein, but then that turned out so badly, that he sent his wife out to
> make a speach about Epstein, in order to distract (back) from Iran.
> 
Well that is incompetent enough to be credible

-- 
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich 
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason 
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

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#86305

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2026-05-09 14:38 -0700
Message-ID<10to9gf$3ukfs$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#86302

On 5/9/26 13:46, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-05-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 9 May 2026 12:58:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> He's started a war against Iran in order to Be Important, just like
>>> buddy Putin.
>>> But in the end its just another pile of steaming turds. Even invading
>>> Iran wont fix the problem, just get a lot of Americans dead.
>>
>> Even worse he started it to make his buddy Netanyahu happy or, perhaps
>> more accurately, Miriam Adelson. Of course the whole fucking mess goes
>> back to the Brits making Chaim Weizmann happy.
> 
> It doesn't hurt that it also pushed Jeffrey Epstein off the front page.
> 

	We can assume that everything Trump does is to keep the Epstein files
unpublicized.  Release of the UAP files, the attack on Iran, all the 
nonsense
that come out of his mouth all to avoid EF.

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#86308

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-09 23:12 +0000
Message-ID<n69taaFqacoU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#86305
On Sat, 9 May 2026 14:38:22 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> On 5/9/26 13:46, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-05-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 9 May 2026 12:58:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> He's started a war against Iran in order to Be Important, just like
>>>> buddy Putin.
>>>> But in the end its just another pile of steaming turds. Even invading
>>>> Iran wont fix the problem, just get a lot of Americans dead.
>>>
>>> Even worse he started it to make his buddy Netanyahu happy or, perhaps
>>> more accurately, Miriam Adelson. Of course the whole fucking mess goes
>>> back to the Brits making Chaim Weizmann happy.
>> 
>> It doesn't hurt that it also pushed Jeffrey Epstein off the front page.
>> 
>> 
> 	We can assume that everything Trump does is to keep the Epstein 
files
> unpublicized.  Release of the UAP files, the attack on Iran, all the
> nonsense that come out of his mouth all to avoid EF.

Considering the Biden administration sat on them too I can only conclude 
short eyes and hobnobbing with Mossad agents is a bipartisan activity.

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#86309

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2026-05-09 16:22 -0700
Message-ID<10tofke$d9h$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#86308

On 5/9/26 16:12, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 9 May 2026 14:38:22 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
>> On 5/9/26 13:46, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2026-05-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 9 May 2026 12:58:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> He's started a war against Iran in order to Be Important, just like
>>>>> buddy Putin.
>>>>> But in the end its just another pile of steaming turds. Even invading
>>>>> Iran wont fix the problem, just get a lot of Americans dead.
>>>>
>>>> Even worse he started it to make his buddy Netanyahu happy or, perhaps
>>>> more accurately, Miriam Adelson. Of course the whole fucking mess goes
>>>> back to the Brits making Chaim Weizmann happy.
>>>
>>> It doesn't hurt that it also pushed Jeffrey Epstein off the front page.
>>>
>>>
>> 	We can assume that everything Trump does is to keep the Epstein
> files
>> unpublicized.  Release of the UAP files, the attack on Iran, all the
>> nonsense that come out of his mouth all to avoid EF.
> 
> Considering the Biden administration sat on them too I can only conclude
> short eyes and hobnobbing with Mossad agents is a bipartisan activity.

	Well deviant behavior is widespread and likely the FBI wanted to downplay
the Mossad contacts.


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#86310

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-05-09 23:33 +0000
Message-ID<TuPLR.1211984$Zve6.1205028@fx18.iad>
In reply to#86309
On 2026-05-09, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> On 5/9/26 16:12, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 9 May 2026 14:38:22 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5/9/26 13:46, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-05-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 9 May 2026 12:58:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> He's started a war against Iran in order to Be Important, just like
>>>>>> buddy Putin.
>>>>>> But in the end its just another pile of steaming turds. Even invading
>>>>>> Iran wont fix the problem, just get a lot of Americans dead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even worse he started it to make his buddy Netanyahu happy or, perhaps
>>>>> more accurately, Miriam Adelson. Of course the whole fucking mess goes
>>>>> back to the Brits making Chaim Weizmann happy.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't hurt that it also pushed Jeffrey Epstein off the front page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 	We can assume that everything Trump does is to keep the Epstein
>>> files unpublicized.  Release of the UAP files, the attack on Iran,
>>> all the nonsense that come out of his mouth all to avoid EF.
>> 
>> Considering the Biden administration sat on them too I can only conclude
>> short eyes and hobnobbing with Mossad agents is a bipartisan activity.
>
> 	Well deviant behavior is widespread and likely the FBI wanted to
> downplay the Mossad contacts.

Widespread?  Heck, I suspect it's almost mandatory in those circles
(including IOC, FIFA, etc....).

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#86318

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-05-10 01:02 +0100
Message-ID<10tohtu$rit$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#86310
On 10/05/2026 00:33, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-05-09, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

>> Well deviant behaviour is widespread and likely the FBI wanted to 
>> downplay the Mossad contacts.
> 
> Widespread?  Heck, I suspect it's almost mandatory in those circles 
> (including IOC, FIFA, etc....).
> 

Let's face it, when you have money, you don't need a moral compass.

-- 
Any fool can believe in principles -  and most of them do!


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#86340

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-05-10 17:40 +0000
Message-ID<Zp3MR.867912$Gr0f.488279@fx08.iad>
In reply to#86318
On 2026-05-10, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 10/05/2026 00:33, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-05-09, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>>> Well deviant behaviour is widespread and likely the FBI wanted to 
>>> downplay the Mossad contacts.
>> 
>> Widespread?  Heck, I suspect it's almost mandatory in those circles 
>> (including IOC, FIFA, etc....).
>
> Let's face it, when you have money, you don't need a moral compass.

Money _is_ the moral compass for those people.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#86367

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-05-11 12:11 +0100
Message-ID<10tsdh6$127ja$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#86340
On 10/05/2026 18:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-05-10, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/05/2026 00:33, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-05-09, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Well deviant behaviour is widespread and likely the FBI wanted to
>>>> downplay the Mossad contacts.
>>>
>>> Widespread?  Heck, I suspect it's almost mandatory in those circles
>>> (including IOC, FIFA, etc....).
>>
>> Let's face it, when you have money, you don't need a moral compass.
> 
> Money _is_ the moral compass for those people.
> 
An interesting perspective.  I will ponder that. Very Dickensian. 
'Poverty is a crime punishable by deportation'.

And Lo! There was Australia..


-- 
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of 
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

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#86379

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-11 15:52 +0000
Message-ID<n6ec9vFh04dU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#86367
On Mon, 11 May 2026 12:11:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 10/05/2026 18:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-05-10, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 10/05/2026 00:33, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-05-09, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Well deviant behaviour is widespread and likely the FBI wanted to
>>>>> downplay the Mossad contacts.
>>>>
>>>> Widespread?  Heck, I suspect it's almost mandatory in those circles
>>>> (including IOC, FIFA, etc....).
>>>
>>> Let's face it, when you have money, you don't need a moral compass.
>> 
>> Money _is_ the moral compass for those people.
>> 
> An interesting perspective.  I will ponder that. Very Dickensian.
> 'Poverty is a crime punishable by deportation'.
> 
> And Lo! There was Australia..

While the COE isn't Calvinist I think the Presbyterians and other Reformed 
dissenters left their mark on Britain and the US. You're either damned to 
hell or not and there isn't much you can do about it. If you're rich 
you're obviously favored by God. If you're poor you're going to hell. Too 
bad, so sad, but why waste resources on the hell bound?

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#86384

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2026-05-11 09:22 -0700
Message-ID<10tsvom$18ale$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#86379

On 5/11/26 08:52, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2026 12:11:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 10/05/2026 18:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2026-05-10, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/05/2026 00:33, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2026-05-09, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Well deviant behaviour is widespread and likely the FBI wanted to
>>>>>> downplay the Mossad contacts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Widespread?  Heck, I suspect it's almost mandatory in those circles
>>>>> (including IOC, FIFA, etc....).
>>>>
>>>> Let's face it, when you have money, you don't need a moral compass.
>>>
>>> Money _is_ the moral compass for those people.
>>>
>> An interesting perspective.  I will ponder that. Very Dickensian.
>> 'Poverty is a crime punishable by deportation'.
>>
>> And Lo! There was Australia..
> 
> While the COE isn't Calvinist I think the Presbyterians and other Reformed
> dissenters left their mark on Britain and the US. You're either damned to
> hell or not and there isn't much you can do about it. If you're rich
> you're obviously favored by God. If you're poor you're going to hell. Too
> bad, so sad, but why waste resources on the hell bound?
> 

	If you are rich or poor and have a bad attitude about your situation
you are already living in Hell.
	Wasting money is not real nor is money which is only abstraction of
real value.  You cannot eat gold so when there is Famine you will give
it up for food.  Supplying the poor with funds may help the whole Society
in which you live, supplying the poor with health care will help the whole
Society regardless of the form of govenment and good food and shelter
are the basics of good health care.
	Calvinist? Do they accept the words of the Teacher, "What you do
for the least of these you do for Me."

bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.04- Linux 6.12.87 pclos1- KDE 
Plasma 6.6.4

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#86440

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-12 03:51 +0000
Message-ID<n6fme3FnemvU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#86384
On Mon, 11 May 2026 09:22:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	Calvinist? Do they accept the words of the Teacher, "What you do
> for the least of these you do for Me."

Not that I've noticed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Points_of_Calvinism

Start with total depravity and go downhill from there.

I was a Cub Scout and when they said 'go to church with your family' I 
made the fatal mistake of asking 'What is church?' I was immediately 
signed up for 'religious instruction'. There were two churches in town 
Catholic and Dutch Reformed. My father was Catholic, albeit excommunicated 
for marrying my mother, so I got that flavor. My mother, forestalling my 
whining 'Why do I have to go to church? You don't go!', went the the 
Reformed church although she never took it seriously.

Theoretically Reformed don't smoke, drink, play cards, gamble, or have 
much fun. They raise money with bake sales. The Catholic church put on a 
horse show that was well respected on the horse show circuit, held Las 
Vegas nights, and engaged in other sinful behavior. The parish had a 
stable and a race horse since the races at Saratoga (NY) were a big deal. 

The Catholic Church had a 'poor box' to fund the Society of Saint Vincent 
de Paul that existed to serve the poor. Dorothy Day's Catholic Worker 
Movement took it even further. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertaining_Angels:_The_Dorothy_Day_Story

That's an interesting movie about Day. For trivia Martin Sheen took his 
stage name in honor of Fulton J. Sheen, possibly the first TV evangelist.

I'm not saying individual Calvinists don't aid the poor but it really 
isn't in the theology. The poor aren't the elect so why bother? Good works 
don't raise your heavenly social score, so why bother?

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#86444

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2026-05-11 21:14 -0700
Message-ID<10tu9fa$1lsvo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#86440

On 5/11/26 20:51, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2026 09:22:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
>> 	Calvinist? Do they accept the words of the Teacher, "What you do
>> for the least of these you do for Me."
> 
> Not that I've noticed.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Points_of_Calvinism
> 
> Start with total depravity and go downhill from there.
> 
> I was a Cub Scout and when they said 'go to church with your family' I
> made the fatal mistake of asking 'What is church?' I was immediately
> signed up for 'religious instruction'. There were two churches in town
> Catholic and Dutch Reformed. My father was Catholic, albeit excommunicated
> for marrying my mother, so I got that flavor. My mother, forestalling my
> whining 'Why do I have to go to church? You don't go!', went the the
> Reformed church although she never took it seriously.
> 
> Theoretically Reformed don't smoke, drink, play cards, gamble, or have
> much fun. They raise money with bake sales. The Catholic church put on a
> horse show that was well respected on the horse show circuit, held Las
> Vegas nights, and engaged in other sinful behavior. The parish had a
> stable and a race horse since the races at Saratoga (NY) were a big deal.
> 
> The Catholic Church had a 'poor box' to fund the Society of Saint Vincent
> de Paul that existed to serve the poor. Dorothy Day's Catholic Worker
> Movement took it even further.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertaining_Angels:_The_Dorothy_Day_Story
> 
> That's an interesting movie about Day. For trivia Martin Sheen took his
> stage name in honor of Fulton J. Sheen, possibly the first TV evangelist.
> 
> I'm not saying individual Calvinists don't aid the poor but it really
> isn't in the theology. The poor aren't the elect so why bother? Good works
> don't raise your heavenly social score, so why bother?
	Well good on Martin but I caught a bit of Fulton J. Sheen
and he was not Evangelical in the Protestant sense.  He was
trying it seems to keep the wandering flock informed and in line.

	I went to a Parochial RC High School in the 1950s and we
had a fire-breathing priest come by who preached against
Eddy Cantor of all things and I thought he was crazy, as Cantor
and Hope on radio were our favorite shows along with Fibber
McGee and Molly, Duffy's Tavern, Mr.Keen Tracer of Lost Persons,
the Shadow, Mr. District Attorney, Mr. First Nighter who
pretended to enjoy plays on the radio, Kay Kayser and his
College of Musical Knowledge, Jack Benny, Allan's Alley,
George Burns and Grace Allen, Phil Harris, Phil Mctalney
with Evelyn and her Magic Violin, and the Whistler.

	I went to 3 different Sunday Schools of various
sects of evangelical fundamentalism before I went to
that parochial HS.
	Those exposures were more deadly than
Science to any remmant of Faith eventually.

bliss - the agnostic deist

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#86449

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-05-12 01:14 -0400
Message-ID<a-2dna5L_srIKp_3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#86444
On 5/12/26 00:14, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 5/11/26 20:51, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 May 2026 09:22:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>>>     Calvinist? Do they accept the words of the Teacher, "What you do
>>> for the least of these you do for Me."
>>
>> Not that I've noticed.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Points_of_Calvinism
>>
>> Start with total depravity and go downhill from there.
>>
>> I was a Cub Scout and when they said 'go to church with your family' I
>> made the fatal mistake of asking 'What is church?' I was immediately
>> signed up for 'religious instruction'. There were two churches in town
>> Catholic and Dutch Reformed. My father was Catholic, albeit 
>> excommunicated
>> for marrying my mother, so I got that flavor. My mother, forestalling my
>> whining 'Why do I have to go to church? You don't go!', went the the
>> Reformed church although she never took it seriously.
>>
>> Theoretically Reformed don't smoke, drink, play cards, gamble, or have
>> much fun. They raise money with bake sales. The Catholic church put on a
>> horse show that was well respected on the horse show circuit, held Las
>> Vegas nights, and engaged in other sinful behavior. The parish had a
>> stable and a race horse since the races at Saratoga (NY) were a big deal.
>>
>> The Catholic Church had a 'poor box' to fund the Society of Saint Vincent
>> de Paul that existed to serve the poor. Dorothy Day's Catholic Worker
>> Movement took it even further.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertaining_Angels:_The_Dorothy_Day_Story
>>
>> That's an interesting movie about Day. For trivia Martin Sheen took his
>> stage name in honor of Fulton J. Sheen, possibly the first TV evangelist.
>>
>> I'm not saying individual Calvinists don't aid the poor but it really
>> isn't in the theology. The poor aren't the elect so why bother? Good 
>> works
>> don't raise your heavenly social score, so why bother?
>      Well good on Martin but I caught a bit of Fulton J. Sheen
> and he was not Evangelical in the Protestant sense.  He was
> trying it seems to keep the wandering flock informed and in line.
> 
>      I went to a Parochial RC High School in the 1950s and we
> had a fire-breathing priest come by who preached against
> Eddy Cantor of all things and I thought he was crazy, as Cantor
> and Hope on radio were our favorite shows along with Fibber
> McGee and Molly, Duffy's Tavern, Mr.Keen Tracer of Lost Persons,
> the Shadow, Mr. District Attorney, Mr. First Nighter who
> pretended to enjoy plays on the radio, Kay Kayser and his
> College of Musical Knowledge, Jack Benny, Allan's Alley,
> George Burns and Grace Allen, Phil Harris, Phil Mctalney
> with Evelyn and her Magic Violin, and the Whistler.
> 
>      I went to 3 different Sunday Schools of various
> sects of evangelical fundamentalism before I went to
> that parochial HS.
>      Those exposures were more deadly than
> Science to any remmant of Faith eventually.


   Wow ! WAY too much religious crap for a kiddie !

   But EVERY faction wants to dominate every mind ...

   And some of those old radio shows were GOOD !
   Amazing what can be done with just a good script
   and savvy actors.

   I like the old Dr.Who series ... two-penny special
   effects, it's all scripts and sharp acting. Can
   get those on plutotv ... seen lots of old
   episodes that never made it to US television.
   Fills in a lot of gaps.

   Hmmm ... SOME episodes, they had the audio and
   the scripts, but NOT all the video. Some clever
   people filled in the gaps with animation. It
   works OK. "AI" may streamline this process. Odd
   bits of video have been found in Indian broadcaster
   vaults ... but there's still a lot of missing stuff.
   "Who" is/was an interesting idea that should not
   be lost to time.

   Ok ... the more recent 'wokie' stuff - dump
   it into the Thames with the rest of the sewerage.
   They need another 10-20 year 'gap' - then reset
   more sensibly. The THEME can last forever, it's
   the current politics/money that get in the way.

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#86518

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-12 16:58 +0000
Message-ID<n6h4ifFtsviU14@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#86444
On Mon, 11 May 2026 21:14:32 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	Well good on Martin but I caught a bit of Fulton J. Sheen
> and he was not Evangelical in the Protestant sense.  He was trying it
> seems to keep the wandering flock informed and in line.

No, he certainly wasn't a Joel Osteen type tele-evangelist. looking back 
it's amazing he gave Milton Berle a run for his money and drove the Frank 
Sinatra show off the air. 

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#86446

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-05-12 00:36 -0400
Message-ID<YISdnZQpgvPJM5_3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#86440
On 5/11/26 23:51, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2026 09:22:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
>> 	Calvinist? Do they accept the words of the Teacher, "What you do
>> for the least of these you do for Me."
> 
> Not that I've noticed.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Points_of_Calvinism
> 
> Start with total depravity and go downhill from there.
> 
> I was a Cub Scout and when they said 'go to church with your family' I
> made the fatal mistake of asking 'What is church?' I was immediately
> signed up for 'religious instruction'. There were two churches in town
> Catholic and Dutch Reformed. My father was Catholic, albeit excommunicated
> for marrying my mother, so I got that flavor. My mother, forestalling my
> whining 'Why do I have to go to church? You don't go!', went the the
> Reformed church although she never took it seriously.

   Hmmmm ... when I was very young I went to a meeting
   thing to see about becoming a "Boy Scout". Seemed fun
   and interesting.

   Alas, one of the overlords asked me about religion - to
   which I replied very honestly ... didn't pass the smell
   test. As such, they rejected me.

   Now I don't really hold that against them. No lawsuits
   or grudges. the BSA was/is a soft 'religious' org after
   all and I didn't fit their bill. Still don't. Never will.
   Doesn't mean they're bad, or good.

   "Religion" became even MORE of an issue in Europe/UK
   awhile back. SO many factions ! Each wanted to be
   In Charge. The situation was so bad it encouraged many
   to move to the nasty wilds of N.America.

   Now WE have to deal with them ! :-(

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#86519

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-05-12 17:03 +0000
Message-ID<n6h4raFtsviU15@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#86446
On Tue, 12 May 2026 00:36:23 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Hmmmm ... when I was very young I went to a meeting thing to see
>    about becoming a "Boy Scout". Seemed fun and interesting.
> 
>    Alas, one of the overlords asked me about religion - to which I
>    replied very honestly ... didn't pass the smell test. As such, they
>    rejected me.

They didn't ask about religion when I joined. The meetings were held in 
the basement of the Dutch Reformed church which wasn't a problem. Half the 
town was Reformed, the other half Catholic so we had our own sort of 
ecumenism mostly by ignoring the question. The grade school was halfway 
between the churches so for the Wednesday religious instructions the Prods 
marched east and the Catholics west.

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#86389

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-05-11 12:40 -0400
Message-ID<oridnbgi_KrBm5_3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#86367
On 5/11/26 07:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/05/2026 18:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-05-10, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/05/2026 00:33, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-05-09, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Well deviant behaviour is widespread and likely the FBI wanted to
>>>>> downplay the Mossad contacts.
>>>>
>>>> Widespread?  Heck, I suspect it's almost mandatory in those circles
>>>> (including IOC, FIFA, etc....).
>>>
>>> Let's face it, when you have money, you don't need a moral compass.
>>
>> Money _is_ the moral compass for those people.
>>
> An interesting perspective.  I will ponder that. Very Dickensian. 
> 'Poverty is a crime punishable by deportation'.
> 
> And Lo! There was Australia..

   We're kinda fresh out of Australia's for transportation
   of naughty people.

   Hmm, talk to Elon, maybe MARS can become the next big
   penal colony ?  :-)

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