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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-04-30 07:50 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-05-05 01:09 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 487 — 21 participants |
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Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 07:50 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-30 12:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-30 17:29 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 09:53 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-04-30 18:02 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 10:15 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 22:26 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 13:56 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:41 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 15:54 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 08:32 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 23:40 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 15:20 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 23:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 08:12 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-05 15:57 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 09:10 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 18:14 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:41 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 21:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 15:26 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 04:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 08:43 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-06 16:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 21:13 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 22:06 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-07 03:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-07 16:37 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 13:06 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-07 18:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-08 19:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-08 21:58 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 03:31 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-09 00:48 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 07:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:46 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:42 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 22:02 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-10 19:31 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 13:55 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-24 07:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:54 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:30 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:46 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 01:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:42 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-25 12:57 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 08:28 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 17:43 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-26 23:02 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 07:49 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:03 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-27 12:20 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-27 22:53 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 02:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 00:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 23:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:06 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 01:19 +0000
TV scripts and their computation by machine (was: Re: Wayland Makes Progress) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 09:29 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 15:45 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 09:11 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:05 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:29 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-27 18:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 21:36 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-27 18:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 23:53 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 07:37 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:07 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:37 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-10 20:09 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 03:19 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 01:03 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 06:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 11:35 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 20:21 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:10 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 19:42 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 01:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:18 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 15:43 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 18:27 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:08 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 10:34 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:22 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:13 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 11:20 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 15:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 19:48 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 01:43 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:26 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 22:15 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-12 02:57 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:42 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 22:04 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:47 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:15 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:26 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 12:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 14:45 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 17:37 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 23:42 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:31 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:27 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:41 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 20:46 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 21:44 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:09 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-13 19:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:25 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:10 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-13 21:34 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:26 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:43 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 11:54 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 22:33 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 23:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 04:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-15 04:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-15 08:01 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:20 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-15 11:21 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-15 02:37 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-17 05:25 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 17:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:27 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:18 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:22 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 20:41 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:21 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:10 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 08:54 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:23 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:16 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 09:51 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-12 19:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:46 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 18:09 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 23:46 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:25 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:00 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 20:58 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:27 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:24 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 21:05 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:19 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 18:39 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 10:44 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 04:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 21:50 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:10 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:22 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:49 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:59 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 04:23 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:14 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:23 +0100
Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:34 +0200
Re: Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 20:17 +0000
Re: Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 22:28 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-16 08:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-17 00:02 -0400
Pre-history (was Re: Wayland Makes Progress) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 15:56 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:21 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:43 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 14:19 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 16:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 23:08 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 22:35 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 23:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 14:04 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-16 12:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-16 20:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 15:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-13 09:10 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-29 07:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 22:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:31 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:55 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:18 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:51 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 15:50 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-28 07:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-12 08:23 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:38 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-09 10:18 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:00 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 20:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:06 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 15:23 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 03:42 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 01:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:49 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 19:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 12:59 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 16:55 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:32 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-08 18:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-08 13:01 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:41 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 18:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 18:40 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-10 16:50 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 22:46 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 19:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-15 21:23 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 21:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-17 08:01 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-17 03:35 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 10:31 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-17 11:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-17 14:52 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-17 16:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 21:00 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-22 06:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-22 11:04 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-22 22:38 -0400
Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 09:19 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 09:22 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 14:04 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:04 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:43 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:27 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:49 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 12:09 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-23 13:26 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 15:22 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:26 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:00 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 17:01 +0100
Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-23 16:28 +0000
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 17:43 +0100
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 01:06 -0400
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-24 05:36 +0000
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 02:45 -0400
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:44 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:57 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-23 16:53 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 12:20 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:46 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:08 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:32 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:50 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 21:57 -0400
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-24 08:54 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:33 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 11:26 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:04 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 20:00 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 22:23 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-25 08:09 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 07:34 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:18 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:29 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 21:54 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 07:25 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:45 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-25 08:38 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 10:50 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:35 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 10:54 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 13:41 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-26 09:14 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-05-25 18:01 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:54 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:48 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 11:04 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 13:44 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-26 00:46 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-27 12:38 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-27 22:47 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:17 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:35 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:54 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-24 06:58 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:36 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 04:13 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (was: title without w in "was:"?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 11:29 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:04 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:47 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-02 10:25 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 09:43 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-01 15:32 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-01 22:21 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-01 20:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:37 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:40 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-02 09:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 12:32 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 12:29 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-02 20:22 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-02 23:27 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:39 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-03 09:20 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 14:39 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-01 15:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-01 09:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-01 13:36 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 12:43 +0200
VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-02 10:53 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 13:14 +0200
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 13:29 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 13:39 +0200
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-02 11:52 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 13:32 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-02 15:09 +0100
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 18:29 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 19:15 +0200
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 20:25 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-03 12:34 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-03 13:50 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-03 22:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-04 12:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-04 19:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 12:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 16:53 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-07 17:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 20:10 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 13:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 14:27 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-08 19:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:15 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 14:44 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:53 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 15:13 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 13:10 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-10 18:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-11 17:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 18:57 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 20:07 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-15 09:10 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 22:49 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:34 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-11 22:38 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:25 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-12 08:02 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 02:24 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:53 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:09 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:06 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 22:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:39 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:58 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 22:54 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 15:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:13 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:51 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-16 08:20 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-16 20:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 22:30 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:15 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:16 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 23:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 19:58 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:53 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:56 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:40 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 08:06 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:40 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 13:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:21 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-08 09:23 +1000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-09 10:02 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:58 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:14 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 20:46 +0000
Dump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-09 21:30 +0000
Re: Dump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:58 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 14:38 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 16:22 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:02 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-10 17:40 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:11 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 15:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:22 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 21:14 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 01:14 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 00:36 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 12:40 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:27 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 17:02 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:00 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:57 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-10 17:40 +0000
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Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:23 +0000
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Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 21:23 -0700
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-10 20:09 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <68u6dmx6t3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86313 |
On 2026-05-10 01:39, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 9 May 2026 22:02:34 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-05-09 18:42, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 9 May 2026 13:46:21 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> "yast" produces the TUI. yast2 produces the GUI. yast is a symlink to >>>> yast2. >>> >>> You are correct that yast is a symlink to yast2. 'sudo yast' and 'sudo >>> yast2' on Leap 16 produce the same TUI. I believe the problems with >>> Ruby 3.4 that caused yast to be dropped from Leap 16 may be the >>> problem. >> >> No, I tried precisely on 16.0. yast2 produces the GUI for me. But I am >> on X, no wayland. Using XFCE, or "ssh -X ..." > > I am on X11 in the VM. You have a lot more yasr2 stuff than I got with > 'sudo zypper install yast2'. Myrlyn shows all the additional packages but > I'm not interested enough to figure out what else zypper should have > pulled. It did get a lot of ruby 3.4 stuff. The laptop was just upgraded from 15.6 days ago, while the VM was installed fresh. Thus the laptop inherited YaST. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 03:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6d05nFagmoU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86343 |
On Sun, 10 May 2026 20:09:42 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > The laptop was just upgraded from 15.6 days ago, while the VM was > installed fresh. Thus the laptop inherited YaST. fwiw I did a bare metal install of Leap 16 KDE/Plasma and only got Myrlyn. It was an interesting Sunday. I had applied updates to the Endeavour box and got kernel 7.0.5. I don't know if that was the only problem but the box wouldn't boot. Screwed around with a live thumbdrive, chrood, installed earlier kernel, did the dracut stuff. No joy. By then I was pissed, didn't have too much to lose and decided to install Leap 16 since I had the offline iso. Copied it to the Ventory stick and gave it several tries. Spoiler alert: OpenSUSE does not work with Ventoy. Created a straight thumb drive on Ubuntu. No joy. Found I had to enable UEFI. That got me further. Forgot configuration is a bit obscure with SUSE. Screwed up and got a tty install, no DE. Try again after checking the KDE box. The installation threw some errors about checksums and said if I continued it might not boot. I did and it didn't. Try again with Xfce. Got a screen split between the laptop and it wouldn't let me log in. Try again with KDE. It bitched about a qt5 library but installed and rebooted. It seems to be working although where stuff winds up on either the laptop or the external monitor is a bit weird. The mouse cursor leads me to believe it's treating them as one big screen. It's systemd/x11 so I can piss both camps off.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 01:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0PSdnatI0Y-T_pz3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #86357 |
On 5/10/26 23:19, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 10 May 2026 20:09:42 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> The laptop was just upgraded from 15.6 days ago, while the VM was >> installed fresh. Thus the laptop inherited YaST. > > fwiw I did a bare metal install of Leap 16 KDE/Plasma and only got > Myrlyn. > > It was an interesting Sunday. I had applied updates to the Endeavour box > and got kernel 7.0.5. I don't know if that was the only problem but the > box wouldn't boot. Screwed around with a live thumbdrive, chrood, > installed earlier kernel, did the dracut stuff. No joy. > > By then I was pissed, didn't have too much to lose and decided to install > Leap 16 since I had the offline iso. Copied it to the Ventory stick and > gave it several tries. Spoiler alert: OpenSUSE does not work with Ventoy. > > Created a straight thumb drive on Ubuntu. No joy. Found I had to enable > UEFI. That got me further. Forgot configuration is a bit obscure with > SUSE. Screwed up and got a tty install, no DE. > > Try again after checking the KDE box. The installation threw some errors > about checksums and said if I continued it might not boot. I did and it > didn't. > > Try again with Xfce. Got a screen split between the laptop and it wouldn't > let me log in. > > Try again with KDE. It bitched about a qt5 library but installed and > rebooted. It seems to be working although where stuff winds up on either > the laptop or the external monitor is a bit weird. The mouse cursor leads > me to believe it's treating them as one big screen. > > It's systemd/x11 so I can piss both camps off. Ummm ... has anyone noticed that installing most any Linux or the basics for it has become much more difficult the past few years ??? What's going on ? I'm gonna rec MX ... it installs well, runs well, has a lot of useful added utilities, isn't too large or too small. Even got VBox to install and run properly from the repos - then installed OSuse and GhostBSD inside VBox to fun around with. (btw, Ghost requires 8gb+ ram to INSTALL, but you can cut that at least in half afterwards) Note, OSuse required I set an 'invalid' video emulator or Wayland would jam up the install. Just sayin'. Anyway, after all this time you'd THINK Linux would be getting much smoother. This has NOT been the case. Impossible installs, weird video drivers, missing software in the distros, logical legacy placement of config files, damaged updates/installers and such, and, and, and ...... HAD installed Fedora46 ... neither the GUI or CL updater would work - kept hanging partway thru. This was a bare metal install. Tried an early version and a yesterday version. Sorry Charlie. And the 'Buntus got too weird years ago - won't touch them. HAD a good Manjaro box - worked well for a couple of years (though Arch is kinda weird). THEN suddenly the updates stopped working - tons of error messages about invalid PGP sigs or checksums on the new packages. Had to hose it. Re-did with MX. Perfect. SEEMS like they're "improving" Linux out of existence. Evil MicroSoft plot ??? Oh well, really old Debian/etc ISOs are out there ... and still more secure than Winders.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 06:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6d9tvFbscjU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86359 |
On Mon, 11 May 2026 01:03:33 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Ummm ... has anyone noticed that installing most any Linux or the > basics for it has become much more difficult the past few years ??? Endeavour had been working well so I never looked under the hood. Grub? Ain't no stinking grub. It's all dracut and systemd-boot. Searching through the forums etc yielded a wealth of information about grub. The real time waster was SUSE does not work with Ventoy. I finally found a blog where the guy mentioned that in passing. Then there was UEFI. I'd turned it off for EOS but apparently SUSE needs it. As far as the checksum thing that may have been some transient error. I suppose things have been going too smoothly for too long. The good part is I didn't have enough project data on the laptop to worry about.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 11:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rgk8dmxduq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86361 |
On 2026-05-11 08:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2026 01:03:33 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>
>> Ummm ... has anyone noticed that installing most any Linux or the
>> basics for it has become much more difficult the past few years ???
>
> Endeavour had been working well so I never looked under the hood. Grub?
> Ain't no stinking grub. It's all dracut and systemd-boot. Searching
> through the forums etc yielded a wealth of information about grub.
>
> The real time waster was SUSE does not work with Ventoy. I finally found a
> blog where the guy mentioned that in passing.
<https://www.opensuse.org/> -> Leap
<https://get.opensuse.org/leap/16.0/> -> Download -> How to create a
bootable USB stick on Linux.
<https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Live_USB_stick>
<Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_Windows>
<https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_macOS>
There you have the supported methods for creating the USB stick.
> Then there was UEFI. I'd
> turned it off for EOS but apparently SUSE needs it.
That would be new. Leap 15.x did support BIOS machines.
> As far as the checksum
> thing that may have been some transient error.
>
> I suppose things have been going too smoothly for too long. The good part
> is I didn't have enough project data on the laptop to worry about.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 16:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6ef11FhcdnU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86364 |
On Mon, 11 May 2026 11:35:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > <https://get.opensuse.org/leap/16.0/> -> Download -> How to create a > bootable USB stick on Linux. > > <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Live_USB_stick> > <Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_Windows> > <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_macOS> > > There you have the supported methods for creating the USB stick. > >> Then there was UEFI. I'd turned it off for EOS but apparently SUSE >> needs it. > > That would be new. Leap 15.x did support BIOS machines. Those instructions are similar to most distros but other distros are usable with Ventoy. Yeah, follow the official instructions and all that but a big DON'T USE VENTOY would be nice. It seems to work until it gets to initramfs, where it hangs until it dies an you go back the the Lenovo BIOS. Or UEFI, I guess, to be accurate. I did learn something useful. The iso was on the Ubuntu box. From past experience the 'Startup Disk Creator' only works to create a Ubuntu stick. However if you right click on the iso in the file manager and select 'Open File' there is a 'Disk Image Writer' that works. After it writes the image it shows a UEFI partition. That may be from the Ubuntu app. In the past I've used Rufus on Windows and iirc there is a selection box for UEFI. No big deal. In the past I'd tried to set up Balena Etcher on Ubuntu and that was a failure. I forget the details but it didn't fly. <https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/1ivj1bd/ how_to_setup_balenaetch_with_linux/> Interesting discussion with many recommendations for Ventoy. Considering that the LLMs mined Reddit Claude might recommend Ventoy to create a bootable SUSE iso. That's what I noticed yesterday searching the forums. A lot of recommendations are no longer applicable, even though the discussions were from 2023. I assume all that has been harvested by the LLMs and may be spewed forth.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 20:21 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7bj9dmx97q.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86388 |
On 2026-05-11 18:38, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2026 11:35:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> <https://get.opensuse.org/leap/16.0/> -> Download -> How to create a >> bootable USB stick on Linux. >> >> <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Live_USB_stick> >> <Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_Windows> >> <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_macOS> >> >> There you have the supported methods for creating the USB stick. >> >>> Then there was UEFI. I'd turned it off for EOS but apparently SUSE >>> needs it. >> >> That would be new. Leap 15.x did support BIOS machines. > > Those instructions are similar to most distros but other distros are > usable with Ventoy. Yeah, follow the official instructions and all that > but a big DON'T USE VENTOY would be nice. It seems to work until it gets > to initramfs, where it hangs until it dies an you go back the the Lenovo > BIOS. Or UEFI, I guess, to be accurate. There was a notice "do not use ventoy", I wrote it. It was not ventoy at the time, it was a similar, older tool. And the notice was generic. Somebody has rewritten the entire article and the notice disappeared. The gist was this: the iso is bootable, don't use any tool to make it bootable, they break things. But it seems that now some such tools do work. Oh, wait, the warning is there, right at the start: Icon-warning.png Warning: Do not try to apply procedures found on the internet for other distributions to convert the images into bootable sticks (unetbootin). Doing that will break the images. The openSUSE images are already prepared for being used directly on USB sticks, and can persist filesystem changes without further steps. I added Ventoy explicitly to the notice. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 09:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10tsv20$180oq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86361 |
On 5/10/26 23:05, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2026 01:03:33 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Ummm ... has anyone noticed that installing most any Linux or the >> basics for it has become much more difficult the past few years ??? > > Endeavour had been working well so I never looked under the hood. Grub? > Ain't no stinking grub. It's all dracut and systemd-boot. Searching > through the forums etc yielded a wealth of information about grub. That is why you have to keep up with the news about your distribution. Even my distribution has changed installation but will never use systemd and for the present at least clings to SysV.init. I was an eager adopter of GPT because at one point it allowed me to do multiple installs of very different distributions. UEFI was the way it worked. > > The real time waster was SUSE does not work with Ventoy. I finally found a > blog where the guy mentioned that in passing. Then there was UEFI. I'd > turned it off for EOS but apparently SUSE needs it. As far as the checksum > thing that may have been some transient error. Has SUSE paid off Microsoft for a security code? We don't use that but have UEFI turn off the Secure Boot and use GPartEd on the installation media to do the partitioning. We also have a member who produces a version with access to the Debian repositories. > > I suppose things have been going too smoothly for too long. The good part > is I didn't have enough project data on the laptop to worry about. With PCLinuxOS you get the PCLinuxOS Forum full of very experienced users, coders, and testers. They have generated documents about the Installation and the newer DNF package updater while stick in the mud me still uses Synaptic. It may not mean much to a pro like you Bowman, but the Forum reminds me of the old BBS scene. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.04- Linux 6.12.87 pclos1- KDE Plasma 6.6.4
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 19:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <o0h9dmxekd.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86382 |
On 2026-05-11 18:10, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 5/10/26 23:05, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 11 May 2026 01:03:33 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> The real time waster was SUSE does not work with Ventoy. I finally >> found a >> blog where the guy mentioned that in passing. Then there was UEFI. I'd >> turned it off for EOS but apparently SUSE needs it. As far as the >> checksum >> thing that may have been some transient error. > > > Has SUSE paid off Microsoft for a security code? > We don't use that but have UEFI turn off the Secure Boot and use > GPartEd on the installation media to do the partitioning. We also have > a member who produces a version with access to the Debian repositories. I don't remember a payment being involved, but indeed, openSUSE boots if secure booting is enabled or disabled. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 01:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6ffq3FltgdU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86382 |
On Mon, 11 May 2026 09:10:40 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > Has SUSE paid off Microsoft for a security code? > We don't use that but have UEFI turn off the Secure Boot and use > GPartEd on the installation media to do the partitioning. We also have > a member who produces a version with access to the Debian repositories. <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/reference/html/book-reference/cha-uefi.html> Apparently. The page says it applies to Leap 15.6. Carlos might have more details but I'm finding out Leap 16 is definitely not Leap 15. > not mean much to a pro like you Bowman, but the Forum reminds me of the > old BBS scene. I've got to hunt down the SUSE forums and listservs. The times they are a'changin. dracut and systemd-boot was a WTF? moment.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 12:18 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <0dbbdmx9ef.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86422 |
On 2026-05-12 03:58, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2026 09:10:40 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > >> Has SUSE paid off Microsoft for a security code? >> We don't use that but have UEFI turn off the Secure Boot and use >> GPartEd on the installation media to do the partitioning. We also have >> a member who produces a version with access to the Debian repositories. > > <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/reference/html/book-reference/cha-uefi.html> > > Apparently. The page says it applies to Leap 15.6. Carlos might have more details but I'm finding out Leap 16 is definitely not Leap 15. Indeed. 16 is largely unknown to many of us. > > >> not mean much to a pro like you Bowman, but the Forum reminds me of the >> old BBS scene. > > I've got to hunt down the SUSE forums and listservs. The times they are a'changin. dracut and systemd-boot was a WTF? moment. The lists and forums have not moved for a bunch of years. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 15:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6h04hFtk0rU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86461 |
On Tue, 12 May 2026 12:18:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > The lists and forums have not moved for a bunch of years. I scrolled through the forum lat night. My takeaway was to stay far away from Tumbleweed and Slowroll. From my experiment with Endeavour/Arch I can see no benefit from a rolling distribution for me. Fedora is bad enough, though so far it hasn't burned me. So I have the 6.12.29 kernel rather than 7.0.5? It works, as does 6.17.23 on Ubuntu and Mint.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 18:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <411cdmx2et.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86493 |
On 2026-05-12 17:43, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2026 12:18:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > >> The lists and forums have not moved for a bunch of years. > > I scrolled through the forum lat night. My takeaway was to stay far away > from Tumbleweed and Slowroll. From my experiment with Endeavour/Arch I can > see no benefit from a rolling distribution for me. Fedora is bad enough, > though so far it hasn't burned me. So I have the 6.12.29 kernel rather > than 7.0.5? It works, as does 6.17.23 on Ubuntu and Mint. There are many people that are very happy with TW, but that is not me. Too many fast changes, aka too much work. On the other hand, Leap is too slow changes, the major version stays put for something like six years. Previous to Leap the stable release was basically a photo taken from factory, aka tumbleweed, and then maybe two months of stabilization, problem correction, then release. Once a year, I think. I liked that, but apparently it is too much work for developers. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 03:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6i8r7F596uU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86504 |
On Tue, 12 May 2026 18:27:48 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On the other hand, Leap is too slow changes, the major version stays put > for something like six years. I'll have to see how it goes. What I'm interested in isn't a part of openSUSE per se. I expert applications like Brave, Codium, Arduino IDE, node, and so forth will update on their own cycles. I did notice the Python is 3.13.13. That is the maintenance release from last month. That is actually a good thing. Fedora went to 3.14 and PySide6 wouldn't run on it the last I knew. Zypper lists a lot of python313-x packages. That's a good thing since they install into the system site- packages. For example I like ruff, a linter and formatter. On SUSE I can install it from the SUSE repository. Ubuntu has neither black or ruff so to use them I need to create a venv and install it there. gcc is 15.2, the latest. clang is a little out of date. On Fedora and Endeavour many of the updates were for kde and plasma. The Fedora box is KDE 6.6.4 SUSE is 6.4.2, It looks like KDE and it works. Most oft he glitz added in Plasma 6 is not something I use so do I care? The kernel is 6.12.29. Ubuntu is 6.17.23 and Fedora is 7.0.4. They all work. The update to 7.0.5 may have been what bricked the EndeavourOS/Arch box or it may have been something else. In either case I'm a bit gun shy about cutting edge updates at the moment. As I've said I ran SUSE 13.2 from 2015 well past its expiration date. When I bought a mini to play with and put Ubuntu on it I found I could live with Ubuntu and found I was using the SUSE box infrequently. I wanted to play with Fedora so I upgraded the RAM, processor, added a SSD and recycled it or I'd probably still be running 13.2 It's back to many changes being only of theoretical utility in my use case. The limiting case is when one of the applications I use will no longer install.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 13:08 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vm2edmxc91.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86543 |
On 2026-05-13 05:17, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2026 18:27:48 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On the other hand, Leap is too slow changes, the major version stays put >> for something like six years. > > I'll have to see how it goes. What I'm interested in isn't a part of > openSUSE per se. I expert applications like Brave, Codium, Arduino IDE, > node, and so forth will update on their own cycles. > > I did notice the Python is 3.13.13. That is the maintenance release from > last month. That is actually a good thing. Fedora went to 3.14 and PySide6 > wouldn't run on it the last I knew. Zypper lists a lot of python313-x > packages. That's a good thing since they install into the system site- > packages. For example I like ruff, a linter and formatter. On SUSE I can > install it from the SUSE repository. Ubuntu has neither black or ruff so > to use them I need to create a venv and install it there. > > gcc is 15.2, the latest. clang is a little out of date. Ah, but the kernel might be compiled with an older kernel. I don't remember which, or if this is true for 16.x or only for 15.x ... -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 10:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10tvoag$24qkc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86493 |
On 5/12/26 08:43, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2026 12:18:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > >> The lists and forums have not moved for a bunch of years. > > I scrolled through the forum lat night. My takeaway was to stay far away > from Tumbleweed and Slowroll. From my experiment with Endeavour/Arch I can > see no benefit from a rolling distribution for me. Fedora is bad enough, > though so far it hasn't burned me. So I have the 6.12.29 kernel rather > than 7.0.5? It works, as does 6.17.23 on Ubuntu and Mint. Funny my rolling release of PCLinuxOS, a fork of Mandrake and Mandriva is much more convenient than Mandriva with a fixed release. And as long as the distro does what you want the kernel is not a problem. The packager is working on a 6.18.2x version but having small problems but "the last 10% takes as long as the first 90%" as the experience goes. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.05- Linux 6.12.87 pclos1- KDE Plasma 6.6.4
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 03:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6i933F596uU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86522 |
On Tue, 12 May 2026 10:34:06 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > Funny my rolling release of PCLinuxOS, a fork of Mandrake and > Mandriva is much more convenient than Mandriva with a fixed release. > And as long as the distro does what you want the kernel is not a > problem. The packager is working on a 6.18.2x version but having small > problems but "the last 10% takes as long as the first 90%" as the > experience goes. In my longer post I expanded it to more than the kernel. Many of the changes developers are proud of don't mean anything to me as long as the applications I use still work. That particularly applies to DE eye candy. Everything I have is either AMD or Intel with integrated graphics so I don't have to worry about that can'o'worms.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 12:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tsdlf$127ja$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86359 |
On 11/05/2026 06:03, c186282 wrote: > Ummm ... has anyone noticed that installing most any Linux > or the basics for it has become much more difficult the past > few years ??? > > What's going on ? They aren't installing Linux Mint? -- In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act. - George Orwell
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 16:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6edebFhcdnU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86369 |
On Mon, 11 May 2026 12:13:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 11/05/2026 06:03, c186282 wrote: >> Ummm ... has anyone noticed that installing most any Linux >> or the basics for it has become much more difficult the past few >> years ??? >> >> What's going on ? > > They aren't installing Linux Mint? I have to admit in yesterday's frustrations of trying to fix a bricked Arch laptop and the missteps of the SUSE installation I looked longingly at the LM iso on the Ventoy stick. If KDE was an official DE it would have been a done deal. For what I do the distro really doesn't make a BRA difference.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 11:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <cjj8dmxm7m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86357 |
On 2026-05-11 05:19, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 10 May 2026 20:09:42 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> The laptop was just upgraded from 15.6 days ago, while the VM was >> installed fresh. Thus the laptop inherited YaST. > > fwiw I did a bare metal install of Leap 16 KDE/Plasma and only got > Myrlyn. > > It was an interesting Sunday. I had applied updates to the Endeavour box > and got kernel 7.0.5. I don't know if that was the only problem but the > box wouldn't boot. Screwed around with a live thumbdrive, chrood, > installed earlier kernel, did the dracut stuff. No joy. > > By then I was pissed, didn't have too much to lose and decided to install > Leap 16 since I had the offline iso. Copied it to the Ventory stick and > gave it several tries. Spoiler alert: OpenSUSE does not work with Ventoy. > No spoiler, it is documented. I think I wrote that part of the wiki. openSUSE boots directly from its ISO. If you try to fiddle with that with things like ventoy, you break it. > Created a straight thumb drive on Ubuntu. No joy. Found I had to enable > UEFI. That got me further. Forgot configuration is a bit obscure with > SUSE. Screwed up and got a tty install, no DE. Default install on Leap 16 is now a minimal text mode. You have to choose a desktop. > > Try again after checking the KDE box. The installation threw some errors > about checksums and said if I continued it might not boot. I did and it > didn't. > > Try again with Xfce. Got a screen split between the laptop and it wouldn't > let me log in. > > Try again with KDE. It bitched about a qt5 library but installed and > rebooted. It seems to be working although where stuff winds up on either > the laptop or the external monitor is a bit weird. The mouse cursor leads > me to believe it's treating them as one big screen. > > It's systemd/x11 so I can piss both camps off. The new installer in 16.0 needs a cooking. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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